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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Moi on December 18, 2008, 11:18:56 AM
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Jack painted a bleak picture of Terry Wallace and did so for a number of years. Some of you agreed with him. Do you feel we will achieve our objectives by 2011 or Terry Wallace has been a total failure?
Me, I think everything is going to plan, I'm excited by our kids and the world is fantastic. So good I can't wait for next year, whereas in the past couple of years I couldn't have cared less.
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I knew when TW came on board it would take time. I was prepared to be patient. I still am.... but the excitement level has ramped up a bit as I/we watch the kids grow and develop.
Yes.
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I went a yes, although the real test will be the next couple of years.
At the moment all looks good with the rebuilding starting to pay off but the on field performance still has to go up another level.
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I just feel there's only two teams I'm not confident in beating, and that leaves the rest of them we can.
Which equates to possibly a top four finish this year in my book, which would be fantastic if we acheived that.
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TW did something that arguably (KB may be the exception here) no other Tigers coach has attempted to do in the last 27 years - rebuild. He used the Cats blueprint as a model even before they had success and recruited a talented group of young players together that could learn, develop and come through together to form a powerful unit. Every year he and the recruiters have attempted to add similiar aged players which are both talented and who fill in gaps until we find ourselves at this point where we have the most exciting group of young players in the league.
Other teams may argue that they have younger lists but our week to week team is filled with youth. In fact if you exclude all of the players above 23 from the team our structure would barely change. This to me indicates future success.
Now that we have added players such as Vickery, Post, Hislop, Thomson and probably most importantly for the next 2/3 seasons - Cousins, I think you would find it hard to argue that we are well and truly on the right track as a club.
We just keep getting better and better every year!
Finals 2009, 2010 +....exciting to imagine! :santa
Stripes
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I just feel there's only two teams I'm not confident in beating, and that leaves the rest of them we can.
Which equates to possibly a top four finish this year in my book, which would be fantastic if we acheived that.
Agree there, I think there are two outstandingly good teams and two outstandingly bad/developing teams.
I think it will be the closest it has been for ages from between 3 and 14 on the ladder.
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best thing i have seen the RFC is this week when they took a chance.
ill reserve my answer come season's end.
no finals= failure in a massive way
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best thing i have seen the RFC is this week when they took a chance.
ill reserve my answer come season's end.
no finals= failure in a massive way
Have to agree with that finals statement. With the draw we have and the pressure for spots across the team finals have to be the measuring stick in 2009 with or without Cousins playing
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I have voted yes, but the Plough needs to make the finals now. After recruiting Hislop, Thomson and Cousins he has no excuses.
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Like Moi, I have continually supported TW since he came to us and I believe my faith will be rewarded very soon.
The thing that has impressed me the most about the club over the past few years has been the strategic recruitment with a focus on rebuilding. No more band-aid solutions and signing duds to long term contracts. We have pinpointed our deficiencies clearly and made moves to rectify them. Decisions have been made that have not been popular to some fans but every decision that has been made has been calculated and with a view to long term success.
2007 was a defining year where the club learned a lot about itself and the improvements in 2008 clearly show that we are rebuilding in all the right places. Sure it was another ninth, but I have never been more excited and optimistic about a ninth finish in the 39 years I have been supporting the club. There is now officially pressure for positions and this is something that we haven't had for a very long time. :thumbsup
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Where is Jack?
Did he die or something.
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Terry is on last chance saloon.
If the Cousins Hislop Thompson deals all flop somehow TW will bear the brunt of the backlash and he will be gone. That's not to say that if we fail to make the 8 the incumbent coach will have nothing to work with as we have a nice base of some good young and talented kids. So that's why I went yes also.
We are all just hoping that the Cuz will fastrack our development and success ahead of schedule.
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Where is Jack?
Did he die or something.
He'll be back when we lose :wallywink
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I just feel there's only two teams I'm not confident in beating, and that leaves the rest of them we can.
Which equates to possibly a top four finish this year in my book, which would be fantastic if we acheived that.
Which 2 Moi? Geelong im assuming is one but the Hawks we beat last season. Have to agree though that the hawks will step up another gear this year imo making them difficult to get over. Im comparing ourselves in many ways to the Hawks and was pleased to see them win the gf as it shows that you can come from a long way back and turn it around in a short period of time
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We haven't even made the finals yet. Still a long way to go and of our younger lot, Deledio and Cotchin I am sure will be stars, but we need 3-4 more to join thenm as bona fide stars. Bit worried about key positions.
But the list is in good shape and if we don't continue our improvement and comfortably make the finals the list will be in decent shape for a new coach to come in and challenge the kids again with a board with a track record of supporting the coach (apart from one or two media hiccups).
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Where is Jack?
Did he die or something.
He'll be back when we lose :wallywink
:lol
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I just feel there's only two teams I'm not confident in beating, and that leaves the rest of them we can.
Which equates to possibly a top four finish this year in my book, which would be fantastic if we acheived that.
Which 2 Moi? Geelong im assuming is one but the Hawks we beat last season. Have to agree though that the hawks will step up another gear this year imo making them difficult to get over. Im comparing ourselves in many ways to the Hawks and was pleased to see them win the gf as it shows that you can come from a long way back and turn it around in a short period of time
Yeah, Hawthorn. Be silly to think they wouldn't be a formidable task. Not saying we can't beat them, but I think they're ahead of our development. The others now don't intimidate me so I think we should do well. Which means I actually think we're further progressed in the scheme of where we wanted to be.
I also think we're developing the best midfield in the comp. I just can't imagine how good it's going to be with another preseason under their belt :thumbsup
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yeah I reckon we are
and for now I am just gonna sit back and enjoy the ride :clapping
:gotigers
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TW did something that arguably (KB may be the exception here) no other Tigers coach has attempted to do in the last 27 years - rebuild. He used the Cats blueprint as a model even before they had success and recruited a talented group of young players together that could learn, develop and come through together to form a powerful unit. Every year he and the recruiters have attempted to add similiar aged players which are both talented and who fill in gaps until we find ourselves at this point where we have the most exciting group of young players in the league.
well said stripes, my sentiment exactly, TW to his credit has been the only one in living memory to have followed a plan and invested in youth...we're on the right track :gotigers
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well said stripes, my sentiment exactly, TW to his credit has been the only one in living memory to have followed a plan and invested in youth...we're on the right track :gotigers
For all his knockers, poor old KB was the only other one to go down that path. Unfortunately for him, he had didn't have the same solid financial and managerial support as TW.
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We may have been forced to do it as we were broke and on our knees when KB was coach but yep he did the right thing filling up the list with young cubs even if some high draft picks were flops like Lounder and Banik. KB's cubs formed the core of our 95 finals side. We just didn't build upon and around that core post-95 and instead paid too few too much of the salary cap.
As for now I think 2008 put us back on track. When Plough first arrived there was an expectation we'd have a short window open up towards the end of his 5-year contract with the older guys still around supplemented by the developing newbies and then a longer sustained window when the younger guys come through together and hit their mid 20s peak. The first shorter finals window may now only be 2 years long 2009-10 with Richo, Browny, Simmo, Sugar, Joel and now Cuz approaching retirement (depends on how long they last and injuries). The way we have targetted gaps in our list in this year's drafts clearly means we are going for finals as the club has publicly said numerous times. We may then dip down for a year or two before rising again say around 2012-13 when the new core hits their mid 20s. Lids and the 2004 draftees would be then 25-26 y.o. whereas Cotch, Vickery and co. would be 22. How well we handle the Gold Coast period of raking the draft will decide how quickly we'll rise again after the Richo years.
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:pray we can only hope.
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A couple of key forwards wouldnt go astray in next years draft or via trading.
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A couple of key forwards wouldnt go astray in next years draft or via trading.
Butcher is one in next year's draft but like Watts this year he'll be long gone by the time of our first pick especially if we finish in the top 8 and have a pick in the teens at the earliest. That's why I wouldn't have minded if we took a chance on a 17 year old key forward this year who may have gone top 20 in 2009 but we don't have another pick aside from Cousins thanks to the AFL and Eddie's whinging ::).