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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: WA Tiger on March 30, 2009, 11:32:05 PM
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D-day for Deledio
James Hird | March 31, 2009 12:00am
THE good news for Richmond is that there is always next week, the bad news is that it's Geelong at Geelong. The Tigers have beaten the Cats only once at Skilled Stadium in the past 19 years. It is a record they would be keen to change.
As a player, letting yourself, your team and your club down on the big stage is a horrible feeling.
No club has more raw passion and desire than the Tigers, but the pure anguish on the supporters' faces was like watching a replay from the past five years.
Normally five days after a loss, no matter how bad it is, everyone has moved on. Unfortunately for Richmond, the build-up to the game and the circumstances surrounding the club and coach have poured more fuel on the fire over the weekend.
Losing is always bad, but being thrashed in Round 1 is much harder. It is still only four points, but it can feel like the whole summer was wasted.
Richmond players would have gone into the game with a lot of confidence after a summer spent working to refine fitness, skills and the game plan. By the end of Thursday night the players and coaches would have felt like the world was caving in around them.
Structures, set plays and running patterns that seemed infallible during the off-season were unwound by the pressure and hard running of the Blues.
On Friday morning Terry Wallace would have felt like dropping at least 10 players, but as the week has rolled on and his own tenure has been questioned, I am sure he has more perspective on how the team will look this week.
Both Wallace and captain Chris Newman will be asking more from everyone, but they will expect the club's leaders and senior players to show the way.
Richo, Joel Bowden and even Brett Deledio will have been through this before, but they are the guys who need to hold up their heads and respond to the criticism in the only way they can -- through their football ability.
Deledio for me is the one.
He is a good player with huge expectations on his shoulders, but it is his next few weeks that are vital to Richmond's short-term future.
Most people expected Richmond to make the eight and Deledio was a massive part of the reason why.
His breakout season last year was terrific, but as good as that was, he needs to take another step this year for the Tigers to reach the heights that were expected of them in the pre-season.
When the times are tough the best players and characters rise to the top.
This is the perfect chance for Deledio to take his standing in the game, and the standing of his club, to another level.
Footy is not a game of individuals, but in a crisis someone needs to take the bit between his teeth and go for it. Deledio has both the ability and passion to do it.
He is not the captain but, at 21, a great month of football could lift the Tigers out of a hole that many are saying will swallow them up.
This will be a tough task for the young star because his record against the Cats is not great.
Throughout his career he has averaged 19.3 disposals a game, in his seven games against the Cats he has averaged just 14.7 possessions.
I would start him in the middle and ask he and Nathan Foley to go head-to-head with the likes of Ablett, Bartel, Selwood and Ling.
Mission impossible maybe, but come Saturday night Deledio will have no illusions about how good he is.
Chris Newman is the other bloke who needs to stand up this week.
He has a tough job in his first real week on the job as captain. He must find a way to lift his playing group after the media, supporters and even a president from another club has had a dig at them.
Crisis meetings might be going over the top after Round 1, but I am sure that some time over the weekend or early in this week he has addressed his players.
The coaches can set up a game plan and tactics, but if the playing group does not want to have a crack then everything else fails.
Having played in a few bad losses over the journey, the only way back from a performance like last week is to get back to basics.
As the captain you need to set non-negotiables this week about what you expect from your team.
Each player needs to look at himself and his performance and work from within to do something about it.
Simple things are best and whenever we had a shocker at Essendon I tried to stick to five simple messages for my teammates:
1 Defensive pressure across the entire ground, but particularly in the forward line.
2 Tackling. I want three tackles per player for the game. It doesn't sound a lot, but 66 tackles for the team is the absolute minimum - and 12 more than the Tigers laid last week.
3 Win the contested possessions. Combine this with the tackle count and it means you are winning contested balls as well as pressuring the opposition when you don't have it.
4 Reward your teammate with a possession. If he runs hard to assist, reward him when you can.
5 Finally, and most importantly, when it is your turn, you go. The hardest thing in footy is to win the ball and you do it at any cost.
Doing all these things may not win you the game, but it will give you a chance to walk off knowing you have done your best.
Some may think a win is beyond Richmond this week, but a desperate playing group that wants to go somewhere together can achieve the impossible.
I don't believe in pass marks or good efforts, the only way to climb the AFL ladder of success is to beat the best.
If the Richmond players want to win back the respect of their supporters, a win is the only acceptable result.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25265347-19742,00.html
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Finally a decent article worthwhile reading and spot on the money. Well done Heard, lets hope the players at least read this article as it may help them see the light.
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D-day for Deledio
James Hird | March 31, 2009 12:00am
If the Richmond players want to win back the respect of their supporters, a win is the only acceptable result.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25265347-19742,00.html
That's the bottom line ........
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Lids if you can turn your 3rd quarter today into a full game then no one will get near you. He must have read Hirdy's article.
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Needs to have quarters like the third more frequently. Was great today. :thumbsup
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Not sure if 4 quarters like Lids' 3rd is humanly possible, especially week in week out
Even more so in Round 2 before at full match fitness
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1/4 a game for the rest of the season (like the 3/4 today) will see us win plenty of games
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Not sure if 4 quarters like Lids' 3rd is humanly possible, especially week in week out
Even more so in Round 2 before at full match fitness
That's true Infamy but I was meaning more in terms of his influence on the game. In the first half he had 17 disposals but his influence was negligible compared to Geelong's guns. Whereas in the 3rd quarter he had 9 possies and virtually everyone set up a scoring shot for us. The last quarter it was back to having negligible influence although Geelong may have put Ling on him to shut him down as Lids only had 4 touches. If he can find a consistency of influence throughout most of a game then he will take another step up and he'll become an extremely dangerous player to opposition sides. It's what he needs to do to become an elite player we all hope he becomes.
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Got tagged heavily by Ling yesterday but though his 3rd qtr was sensational
Dare I say it but Ling when things aren't going well is a bit of a sniper, like Chapman
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deledio was good , his best game v geelong to date, but he must do better with his ability. he must put the acid on himself as brown did. nathan brown was fantastic yesterday
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deledio was good , his best game v geelong to date, but he must do better with his ability. he must put the acid on himself as brown did. nathan brown was fantastic yesterday
Have to agree with you.
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Actually thought the Brown off the HBF worked a treat for us, has the poise and skill to play that role well
:gobdrop :gobdrop
My goodness did I just praise a coaching move ;D
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Should leave Brown on a HBF flank.
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Actually thought the Brown off the HBF worked a treat for us, has the poise and skill to play that role well
:gobdrop :gobdrop
My goodness did I just praise a coaching move ;D
Add to that Hislop playing as a defensive HFF.
Foley tagging Ablett Jnr.
Jackson tagging Selwood.
King & Edwards were the weakest links. Add Nahas and we played a bit light.
At least Wallace actually tried something different. Not everything went right but a lot did.
One of his better coaching efforts in some time.:thumbsup
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deledio was good , his best game v geelong to date, but he must do better with his ability. he must put the acid on himself as brown did. nathan brown was fantastic yesterday
Have to agree with you.
Yep the one thing in Lids' game he has to work on if he is to push up to the elite level is his workrate when the opposition has the ball. We talked about this today while watching training. Even Browny who isn't a notable tackler had 4 tackles on Saturday. For as good as Lids' 30 disposals were, he had only 1 tackle for the day.
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lids has to learn to get "dirty" so to speak, he plays to clean and nice. needs some animal in him ad play like it is his last game every game. at the moment he is just relying on his natural talent but is not playing with any desire. have not seen him in ages take players on with his speed to break the game open, he did it many times in year 1, a few times in year 2, and since then, the use of his speed in a game has been pretty much non existant. only if he had judds desire to compete and win, its all in his attitude
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lids has to learn to get "dirty" so to speak, he plays to clean and nice. needs some animal in him ad play like it is his last game every game. at the moment he is just relying on his natural talent but is not playing with any desire. have not seen him in ages take players on with his speed to break the game open, he did it many times in year 1, a few times in year 2, and since then, the use of his speed in a game has been pretty much non existant. only if he had judds desire to compete and win, its all in his attitude
i actually agree with you on Lids.
He has everything that Judd has we just dont see it enough.
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That we still have yet to see the best of Lids is an exciting prospect.
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That we still have yet to see the best of Lids is an exciting prospect.
unless carlton poach him, its not half obvious he wants to play for the team he supported.
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unless carlton poach him, its not half obvious he wants to play for the team he supported.
Got evidence of that?
Deledio won't be going anywhere.
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That we still have yet to see the best of Lids is an exciting prospect.
unless carlton poach him, its not half obvious he wants to play for the team he supported.
Thanks for wasting my time TT. >:(
I can see I have to add you to my skip don't bother reading list.
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unless carlton poach him, its not half obvious he wants to play for the team he supported.
Got evidence of that?
Deledio won't be going anywhere.
He did support Carlton as his dad played one game there.
He can't go there though, they have no room in the salary cap
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That we still have yet to see the best of Lids is an exciting prospect.
unless carlton poach him, its not half obvious he wants to play for the team he supported.
Thanks for wasting my time TT. >:(
I can see I have to add you to my skip don't bother reading list.
:bow
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unless carlton poach him, its not half obvious he wants to play for the team he supported.
Got evidence of that?
Deledio won't be going anywhere.
He did support Carlton as his dad played one game there.
He can't go there though, they have no room in the salary cap
pratt will find a way if they want him
for our sake i hope he stays and reaches his true potential
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He's our next franchise player along with Cotchin and there's no go home factor like there was with Judd
I can't see him going
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That we still have yet to see the best of Lids is an exciting prospect.
unless carlton poach him, its not half obvious he wants to play for the team he supported.
pffft
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The only thing "half obvious" about Deledio is that he will one day be captain of the RFC
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The only thing "half obvious" about Deledio is that he will one day be captain of the RFC
dont think so, imo cotchin and riewoldt have much more leadership qualities. newman will be captain for the next 3-4 years , than my guess the chimp will get the gig
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The only thing "half obvious" about Deledio is that he will one day be captain of the RFC
dont think so, imo cotchin and riewoldt have much more leadership qualities. newman will be captain for the next 3-4 years , than my guess the chimp will get the gig
Tambling?
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Tambling?
Not too sure if you are referring to who is chimp or will Tambling be our next captain. I think I have to assume the former in which case chimp is Cotchin for his low too the ground running style.
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Tambling?
Not too sure if you are referring to who is chimp or will Tambling be our next captain. I think I have to assume the former in which case chimp is Cotchin for his low too the ground running style.
Those within the Club rate highly Tambling's leadership qualities apparently and Foley is next in line after Newy's had it for a couple of years but IMO Cotch and Lids will be vying next to be captain.
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Tambling?
Not too sure if you are referring to who is chimp or will Tambling be our next captain. I think I have to assume the former in which case chimp is Cotchin for his low too the ground running style.
Chimp Kazoo is a name adopted by those on PRE for Cotchin.
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It was Lids' 22nd birthday yesterday :birthday.
After being well held last week let's hope he has a day out today. He kicked 5 against the Demons last time from memory.
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Hopefully plays well.
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What's the go with Richmond midfielder Brett Deledio?
Mark Stewens | April 21, 2009 09:48pm
WHERE is Terry Wallace's chosen one when he needs him most?
Brett Deledio, Wallace's only No. 1 draft pick in a 240-game coaching career, is not delivering this year when games are at their hottest.
Deledio has had just 14 disposals in first quarters, an average of 3.5 a game.
That equates to a paltry 23 SuperCoach points across all four opening terms, less than six on average.
The trend started against Carlton in Round 1, the most gruesome chapter of Nightmare on Punt Rd. Deledio had one disposal and the Tigers were five goals down at the first change.
The following week against Geelong, he started quietly, but had an impact in the third term when the Tigers made a charge.
Yet in the past fortnight, against the Western Bulldogs and Melbourne, Deledio has been a non-factor when it has counted most.
Tagged by Liam Picken in the Dogs clash in Round 3, he had only four disposals in the first term and one in the second. By then, the Dogs had seized control.
On Sunday against the Demons, Deledio had six disposals 13 minutes into the second term. By then, the Dees led by 34 points.
At halftime, Deledio had seven disposals - one effective kick, three ineffective kicks and one handball.
Again, by then the Tigers were in deep trouble.
No one is questioning Deledio's talent. He is clearly enemy No. 1 for rival coaches hell-bent on shutting down Richmond's midfield.
But at the moment he is like a Test batsman who boosts his average in second innings when the sting is out of the game.
Deledio's overall stats average is OK, but plenty are coming in junk time when the Tigers are all but gone.
Veteran Matthew Richardson yesterday mounted a strong defence of the No. 1 pick in the 2004 draft.
"I hear people talking about Brett Deledio all the time. The fact is he won the club best-and-fairest," Richardson said.
"He's going well. Obviously he's getting a lot of extra attention because he had a great season last year.
"It takes a while to come to grips with that sort of attention. I'm sure he's talking to the right people as to how to deal with tags.
"He'll get around it. He's a hard worker. He's a fantastic player. He believes in himself."
After Round 1, Herald Sun columnist James Hird declared: "It is his next few weeks that are vital to Richmond's season.
"This is the perfect time for Deledio to take his standing in the game, and the standing of his club, to another level."
So far, it hasn't happened.
But with Wallace still alive, Deledio gets a chance on Saturday night to make a difference.
Expect Kangaroo Brady Rawlings to be waiting for him at the first bounce. We're about to find out a lot more about the chosen one.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25367715-19771,00.html
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deledio has no spine or heart
valuable very valuablw trade bait
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deledio has no spine or heart
valuable very valuablw trade bait
cant you see what Wallace is doing to the poor kid, playing him in almost all positions all over the ground. He looks lost out there.
He is ruining lids like he will ruin Cotch and Rance.
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deledio has no spine or heart
valuable very valuablw trade bait
cant you see what Wallace is doing to the poor kid, playing him in almost all positions all over the ground. He looks lost out there.
He is ruining lids like he will ruin Cotch and Rance.
deledios work ethic and desire to become elite has nothing to do with terry im afraid
deledio wants a free and easy run cos thats what he is used to, trade bait, we could get real good quality pics off the gold coast for that mummys boy. bag tambling as much as you lik ebut at least blingers has heart and desire and has busted his perverbial to get where he is, no fre ride for him. same goes for cotchin, only if deledio had the chimps attitude
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That is absolute crap TigerTime absolute dishwater.
The problem with some of our supporters is expectations. If you have ever played a game of Aussie Rules at a high level you'd know that it's not a free ride. Brett has worked his ass off as have the rest of the side. You only have to look at there faces walking off the ground after the Dees lost to realize that.
Dealing with taggers is one of the hardest things to counter act in football.
The guy hasn't played 100 games yet.
Ge we really do eat out own.
"Deledio has no spine or heart" You absolute flog.
I'd like to bring up Exhibit A: "Mark against Geelong running back with the flight" that won him the Army award.
Dear o dear sir... choose words wisely.
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do you know him tigertime?
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deledio pulls out one big effort every 8 games and all of a sudden he is glen archer
deledio does not work hard enough full stop
judd, kerr ablett etc, watch how hard they work to shake tags
deledio is a fairy
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btw, deledio does not work hard enough when we dont have the ball in possession...........fullstop
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Tigertime I know the boy very well ,you obviously don't, stop making derogatory remarks like you are doing it reflects badly upon tiger supporters
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Na. Have thought more about it . you cowardly, parasitic, pompous ,pipsqueak tigertime
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Dealing with taggers is one of the hardest things to counter act in football.
I actually think you've hit the nail on the head as they say
I notice this year Lids is more often than not getting the oppositions best tagger. Last year he wasn't Foley was and we know how much Foley struggled.
I think he really is still learning how to cope with it. Against Geelong when he got on top of the tag he was easily our best players
I too have been critical of the defensive side of his game but I think there has a been a marked improvement in it in the last 2 years. I would think he would acknowledge he needs to get better in that area as most of our young players do.
I have suggested this before but I really do believe that not enough emphasis is placed on the defensive aspects of the game at TAC Cup level.
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To compare Lids ability to Gary Abletts ability is very misleading. Gary Ablett has a significant number of players that assist him to break the tag, Enright, Corey, Ling and many others all open the way for Gary to get room .... at the Tigers Lids needs to do it on his own!! Once we get some support around him who are prepared to attack the tagger and shepherd for him Lids will wipe the floor with the taggers.
:gotigers
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To compare Lids ability to Gary Abletts ability is very misleading. Gary Ablett has a significant number of players that assist him to break the tag, Enright, Corey, Ling and many others all open the way for Gary to get room .... at the Tigers Lids needs to do it on his own!! Once we get some support around him who are prepared to attack the tagger and shepherd for him Lids will wipe the floor with the taggers.
:gotigers
what a load of bla bla
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tigertime=NFI (no footy intuity)
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i know enough and i know what i would demand out of deledio, seems if deledio and wallace need to raise the bar as their standards of acceptable performance are not good enough
tambling was dropped after the dogs game, if terry did the right thing, deledio should be dropped this week
deledio is very much a classical down hill skier
problem with many tiger fans is we have become used to accepting mediocrity, and are to afraid to push demand and expect better peformances
if you are happy with where deledio is at well good for you
lets look at higgins for example at the dogs, he has less experience and has had many injury issues over his carfeer.
he is already a far better player than deledio , has many more footy smarts and strings in his bow and i would have higgins over deledio anytime
higgins is a hard wrker with a damn good work ethic and impacts on games already and is a game brealer match winner and consstant performer
deledio is half the player higgins is and that is a joke
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tigertime=nfi (no footy intelligence)
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add to that what has higgins proved YET?
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tigertime=nfi (no footy intelligence)
heaps more than you
not my fault you cannot handle the truth esp when it hurts
higgins poos all over deledio
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add to that what has higgins proved YET?
and you say i have got no idea!!!!! YOU FOOL!
HIGGINS IS ALREADY MANY CLASSES ABOVE DELEDIO!
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tigertime = blah blah blah = :sleep
I think his mummy will call him to go to bed soon
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go ahead numbnut
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tell me tigerbedtime where does all this amazing insight come from?
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CLOWNS! HAHAHAH
fools
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back up your claims please
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tigergotobedtime=NFI (NO footy identity)
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listen loser, if you have not alrrady seen what impact class and skill and matchwinning ability hiiggins has shown, that is not my problem
higgins changed the game for starters against us, has been the dogs best player this yr so far, he single handedly nearly beat geelong in the final last yr, even when he wasnt fit!
he impacts on games , is a class act, does not get cheap stats like lids and has total footy smarts.
it is a joke that he sp quickly has developed into a better player than deledio who actually influences games
it is not my fault you guys only look through black and yellow glasses
fools go eat some cookies and milk and get mummy to tuck you in!
and when i tuck my sons and daughter into bed tonight i will be greatful that at their tender ages of 4,6 and 8 they know a hell of alot more than you!
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i can back up my claims, all you have to do is discuss this with anyone who has half an idea about footy and they will agree, only blinded tiger fans would not agree but higgins impacts much more than deledio end of story
why , he works harder and wants it more
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Tiger Time you are right mate.
Higgins is streets ahead of Lids right now. Stats prove it and what a find he has been for my super coach team.
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Tiger Time you are right mate.
Higgins is streets ahead of Lids right now. Stats prove it and what a find he has been for my super coach team.
daniel we disagree an a few things but any footy fan with any footy nouse knows that higgins atm has passed deledio by a country mile
our development sucks much harder than a hooker on a sat night
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go ahead numbnut
common pind!ck, back ur claims, facts are right here right now higgins has surpassed dildo deledio
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ye but what will happens when he gets some attention numbnut? I hope you told your kids about how good a footballer daddy was and how he played SO MANY games of AFL and how he influenced so many games. Do you barrack for the Tiges? Be honest there is something more to this belittling of lids, what is it did he steal your lunch or something?
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tigerbeddybyestime =NFI (newest feral identity)
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ben a tiger member for 21 years straght
and you just proved you have no idea and i think u better go and suckle on ur mammas tittie befor she gets mastitis
los lose
ps, i expect and demand alot more from lids , he was gifted a b and f which was really richos!
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Just some stats to back up the Shaun "the gun" Higgins vs Brett deledio "debate"
http://finalsiren.com/
Player Totals
Player MT K Avg H Avg D Avg M Avg HO Avg T Avg FF FA G Avg B SC Rat Avg
Brett Deledio 88 922 10.5 786 8.9 1708 19.4 504 5.7 22 0.3 165 1.9 69 44 70 0.8 45 465 6934 78.8
Shaun Higgins 36 252 7 244 6.8 496 13.8 129 3.6 4 0.1 76 2.1 18 22 41 1.1 23 269 2160 60
Totals 124 1174 9.5 1030 8.3 2204 17.8 633 5.1 26 0.2 241 1.9 87 66 111 0.9 68 734 9094 73.3
But of course Higgins gets tagged routinely and has won a club best and fairest
Anyway i think I have already wasted too much time on a blue red and white troll
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You're getting tired possum your spelling is wavering ,whose ben the tiger ? To expect better from Lids is not to bag all over a forum fruitcake, it might give you some dark pleasure but does not help the cause . As does denigrating any young player on an open forum not really help. They have families to , just as you do. Think about what you write ,it might be your son one day.
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Can we stick to the topic without the personal insults :banghead :banghead
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i know one stat doesn't tell you a lot, but looking at their disposals, you'd have to say Deledio is flying. Don't know how any fan could be bagging such a gun?
Might just be D-day for North this week.
Higgins looks to be making great gains but is still only where Deledio was 2 years ago.
(http://pic-upload.com/images/476_deledioVhiggins.jpg)
once again thanks to http://stats.rleague.com for the numbers.
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got no concerns with Lidsmeister, maybe we are just expecting to much of him even at the age of 22, its not as if he's been surrounded with great players in his formative years.
perhaps someone with Ben Cousins experience would be invaluable to him at this stage of his career, but we need to Ben onto the park.
i spoke to great mate who worked with the eagles when Chris judd arrived and was saying that he helped Chris Judd a great deal in his formative years.
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i love the way we make excuses for our players
deledios first yr was fantastic, since then he has been not that good considering where he is at in his career
and we cannot be fooled by his jack jack dyer medal, he never deserved it, that medal was richos all along
deledio is going backwards fast, he needs a kick up his arse and start doing what he can do .
lets hope its starts this week
deledio is the white mans wells
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Ge this topic has taken a strange turn.
As far as I'm concerned if I was a recruiter from the Gold Coast I'd take Brett Deledio over Higgins without even blinking.
I'm not going to argue that Brett is better than Shaun it's plain obvious, put Higgins in our line up atm and he'd be playing reserves where poor Richie has been burnt too. Put Deledio in a midfield with strong bodies of Cooney, Boyd and Hahn and he'd run absolutely riot.
End of story.
Isn't the issue that of whether Brett can take his game to the next level, instead whether he's better than some random footballer.. Regardless even if he is, who cares, so what?
For mine a post was correct in saying that Ablett is helped by team mates to shake the tag and our midfield will learn how to do that effectively per opponent in due time, hopefully sooner rather than later. It'd also be nice to have the ability that the Lions used to have and have the ability to pull the tagged midfielder into the forward line and have midfield options that can win you games. Unfortunatly alone Foley can't win a game by himself, and the rest just don't stack up to the rest of the competetion.
Be a different story when the 3 Cotchin, Deledio and Foley are in the late 20's and we have an other breed of good youngsters coming through.
All woudl be a different story if we didn't trade away 3 draft picks (Daniel Wells, James Kelly, no name) for Kane Johnson and 2 for Nathan Brown (Keplar Bradley, no name), this draft was a rubbish draft but still..
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i love the way we make excuses for our players
deledios first yr was fantastic, since then he has been not that good considering where he is at in his career
and we cannot be fooled by his jack jack dyer medal, he never deserved it, that medal was richos all along
deledio is going backwards fast, he needs a kick up his behind and start doing what he can do .
lets hope its starts this week
deledio is the white mans wells
Absolute garbage, highlighted by the fact Richo came 3rd
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deledio is the white mans wells
big call
he might look better when he has Cotchin, Coughlan, Cousins next to him.
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TigerTime-I share your disappointment over Deledios year so far.He is in his 5th year and it is time someone with his talent started showing some leadership as well.The time for nice little cameos is over...its time for top four quarter efforts.He does however have about 20 team mates who have been equally disappointing.
Yes Richo would of won the JDM had he played the full 22 games last year...Lids still had a fantastic year.I wont forget the goal he kicked against Hawthorn last year in round 19.All class and won the game for us.No one had any problems with Lids 6 weeks ago and that is because he has improved every year since his debut.
Lids will do much better when the midfield reinforcements come back into the team over the next few weeks.
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It will be D for Deledio day on Saturday when he and Cogs, and the rest of the Tigers destroyate the Kangas.
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Ge this topic has taken a strange turn.
As far as I'm concerned if I was a recruiter from the Gold Coast I'd take Brett Deledio over Higgins without even blinking.
I'm not going to argue that Brett is better than Shaun it's plain obvious, put Higgins in our line up atm and he'd be playing reserves where poor Richie has been burnt too. Put Deledio in a midfield with strong bodies of Cooney, Boyd and Hahn and he'd run absolutely riot.
End of story.
Isn't the issue that of whether Brett can take his game to the next level, instead whether he's better than some random footballer.. Regardless even if he is, who cares, so what?
For mine a post was correct in saying that Ablett is helped by team mates to shake the tag and our midfield will learn how to do that effectively per opponent in due time, hopefully sooner rather than later. It'd also be nice to have the ability that the Lions used to have and have the ability to pull the tagged midfielder into the forward line and have midfield options that can win you games. Unfortunatly alone Foley can't win a game by himself, and the rest just don't stack up to the rest of the competetion.
Be a different story when the 3 Cotchin, Deledio and Foley are in the late 20's and we have an other breed of good youngsters coming through.
All woudl be a different story if we didn't trade away 3 draft picks (Daniel Wells, James Kelly, no name) for Kane Johnson and 2 for Nathan Brown (Keplar Bradley, no name), this draft was a rubbish draft but still..
Lets hope it does not take that long :-\
2010
Cousins - 31 yoa
Deledio - 23 yoa
Coughlan - 28 yoa
Foley - 24 yoa
Cotchin - 20 yoa
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Tuck - 27 yoa
+ still need a couple of the 'B' graders to step up, at least a couple from; White, Tambling, Raines, Edwards, Polo, Morton etc. need to prove they are decent.
that should be a good enough spread in there age + Lids in his 6th year
you would hope next year they would be ready to go if we have good run with injury.
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You forgot your man Jackson Bentleigh :scream
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Ge this topic has taken a strange turn.
As far as I'm concerned if I was a recruiter from the Gold Coast I'd take Brett Deledio over Higgins without even blinking.
I'm not going to argue that Brett is better than Shaun it's plain obvious, put Higgins in our line up atm and he'd be playing reserves where poor Richie has been burnt too. Put Deledio in a midfield with strong bodies of Cooney, Boyd and Hahn and he'd run absolutely riot.
End of story.
Isn't the issue that of whether Brett can take his game to the next level, instead whether he's better than some random footballer.. Regardless even if he is, who cares, so what?
For mine a post was correct in saying that Ablett is helped by team mates to shake the tag and our midfield will learn how to do that effectively per opponent in due time, hopefully sooner rather than later. It'd also be nice to have the ability that the Lions used to have and have the ability to pull the tagged midfielder into the forward line and have midfield options that can win you games. Unfortunatly alone Foley can't win a game by himself, and the rest just don't stack up to the rest of the competetion.
Be a different story when the 3 Cotchin, Deledio and Foley are in the late 20's and we have an other breed of good youngsters coming through.
All woudl be a different story if we didn't trade away 3 draft picks (Daniel Wells, James Kelly, no name) for Kane Johnson and 2 for Nathan Brown (Keplar Bradley, no name), this draft was a rubbish draft but still..
Lets hope it does not take that long :-\
2010
Cousins - 31 yoa
Deledio - 23 yoa
Coughlan - 28 yoa
Foley - 24 yoa
Cotchin - 20 yoa
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Tuck - 27 yoa
+ still need a couple of the 'B' graders to step up, at least a couple from; White, Tambling, Raines, Edwards, Polo, Morton etc. need to prove they are decent.
that should be a good enough spread in there age + Lids in his 6th year
you would hope next year they would be ready to go if we have good run with injury.
Thats the problem with our list- or one of them, people think we have B grade players who are really infact C and D grade footballers - I only rate Morton a B grade from that list.
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Just back on Lids, Luke Power mentions 5 things he's learnt in dealing with taggers. Lids should be focusing on point 2 especially improving the defensive side of his game which is lacking. Mind you that goes for most Tigers :scream.
. 2. Lift your work rate
The best way to beat a tag is to work harder. Around the stoppages, beat your opponent to the ball by pushing off hard or forcing him into positions that make him uncomfortable.
Try changing your starting points – set up in front of the contest sometimes, and behind or off the contest at others. When the ball breaks, run hard to get space between the two of you.
If your fitness is good, run all day. Sometimes duels can be won in the second half as your tagger starts to tire and lose concentration; St Kilda’s Robert Harvey was amazing at this.
Also, don’t forget about the defensive side of the game. While a tagger can choke your ball supply, he can’t stop you from laying tackles, chasing, pressuring, spoiling, talking and blocking for teammates. Even if you are not getting the ball – if you’re doing these then you’re making a great contribution to your team.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/75487/default.aspx
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Just back on Lids, Luke Power mentions 5 things he's learnt in dealing with taggers. Lids should be focusing on point 2 especially improving the defensive side of his game which is lacking. Mind you that goes for most Tigers :scream.
. 2. Lift your work rate
The best way to beat a tag is to work harder. Around the stoppages, beat your opponent to the ball by pushing off hard or forcing him into positions that make him uncomfortable.
Try changing your starting points – set up in front of the contest sometimes, and behind or off the contest at others. When the ball breaks, run hard to get space between the two of you.
If your fitness is good, run all day. Sometimes duels can be won in the second half as your tagger starts to tire and lose concentration; St Kilda’s Robert Harvey was amazing at this.
Also, don’t forget about the defensive side of the game. While a tagger can choke your ball supply, he can’t stop you from laying tackles, chasing, pressuring, spoiling, talking and blocking for teammates. Even if you are not getting the ball – if you’re doing these then you’re making a great contribution to your team.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/75487/default.aspx
Actually that is the second time in the last fortnight I've heard a top line mid-fielder speak about work ware when being tagged
Lindsay Gilbee sai dthe same thing after the Tiger/Bullies game when asked about to work through a tag
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TigerTime-I share your disappointment over Deledios year so far.He is in his 5th year and it is time someone with his talent started showing some leadership as well.The time for nice little cameos is over...its time for top four quarter efforts.He does however have about 20 team mates who have been equally disappointing.
Yes Richo would of won the JDM had he played the full 22 games last year...Lids still had a fantastic year.I wont forget the goal he kicked against Hawthorn last year in round 19.All class and won the game for us.No one had any problems with Lids 6 weeks ago and that is because he has improved every year since his debut.
Lids will do much better when the midfield reinforcements come back into the team over the next few weeks.
IM GLAD YOU UNDERSTAND WHRE IM COMING FROM, UNLIKE SOME POSTERS WHO ARE JUST blinded by their black and yellow glasses. i dont want deledio to wait til he has support though, i want him to make a statement and stamp his authority on the game regardless how poo we are and who is in our team