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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Aron on April 13, 2009, 10:06:42 PM
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Who do you think will coach us and why?
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Would love to see williams down there
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Would love to see Terry stay and Edwards, Polo, Schulz & King delisted and Tambling, Morton & about three others traded as they just dont work hard enough.
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Look i respect your opion but could you explain why we should keep terry?
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i love to have Hardwick, if Wallace is gone. Hardwick is from a wonnong culture and was a hard nut as a player. welcome back 'Aron'.
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Hardwick would bring a winning culture
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Why don't you give it a crack Aron??? You seem to have all the answers. Do you see Terry applauding the players when they make fundamental errors which should have been nutted out in the under 12's?? No, he is as frustrated as we are. If his game plan gets a towelling then fair enough but don't blame the coach for players delivering crap skills that are not even up to auskick standards.
FFS take your agenda elsewhere. We've heard it all before.
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Why don't you give it a crack Aron??? You seem to have all the answers. Do you see Terry applauding the players when they make fundamental errors which should have been nutted out in the under 12's?? No, he is as frustrated as we are. If his game plan gets a towelling then fair enough but don't blame the coach for players delivering crap skills that are not even up to auskick standards.
FFS take your agenda elsewhere. We've heard it all before.
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NATHAN BUCKLEY
THE MAN COMMANDS RESPECT AND GETS IT!
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Nathan Buckley could be a good option
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Nathan Buckley wouldn't touch us with someone else's 10 foot pole
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not a bad way to put it
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Fig Jam you have to be joking.
(http://tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:lOe3zbKu4RpxnM:http://www.kocosports.com/mmatn/steve_austin.jpg) Says Hardwick
(http://tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:Mw5vto20pgN2DM:http://z.hubpages.com/u/748815_f260.jpg) Says Wayne campbell
Whoever gets the job there is gunna be some tough decisions made and so be it.
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And the winner is?
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MUST be Damian Hardwick. :thumbsup
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The board needs to do everything in it's power to get Nathan Buckley to the club.
It is his destiny, and it is our destiny. There is a nice symmetry to a Collingwood person bringing the Tigers back to where we should be.
He more than likely wont want to take us over mid season, so we probably need to put in a caretaker who has got no hope of senior coaching permanently (ie a David King) to be the seat warmer.
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How about one of you "experts" you seem to know whats going wrong and how to fix it.
FFS what the point of getting rid of him mis season, There is no one to take his place! You know how it works when coaches are replaced like this, we win one or two and then we poo ourselves and fall in a heap. Until our players learn to respect each other, themselves and who ever their coach may be, we wont win a chook raffle!
Its time to send out a press release "Wallace Stays Till Season End" then shut up shop with no comments from EVERYONE board, players, boot studders and supporters and just go and learn how to play footy again!
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How about one of you "experts" you seem to know whats going wrong and how to fix it.
FFS what the point of getting rid of him mis season, There is no one to take his place! You know how it works when coaches are replaced like this, we win one or two and then we poo ourselves and fall in a heap. Until our players learn to respect each other, themselves and who ever their coach may be, we wont win a chook raffle!
Its time to send out a press release "Wallace Stays Till Season End" then shut up shop with no comments from EVERYONE board, players, boot studders and supporters and just go and learn how to play footy again!
He has to go.
Both last week and today we had over 75% of our possesions in the back half of the ground. ( you win NO GAMES playing like that )
Why do we have 2 of the best long kicks in the game REPEATEDLY kicking 20 metres ( Lids and Newman ) ???
Because thats what they are TOLD to do. FACT
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Hey 2JD, do you want us to lose every game ? as thats what will happen if he doesnt go
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Hey 2JD, do you want us to lose every game ? as thats what will happen if he doesnt go
At least then the new coach in 2010 starts his new additions to our list with a No.1 pick who most likely will be a key forward :whistle.
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Hey 2JD, do you want us to lose every game ? as thats what will happen if he doesnt go
At least then the new coach in 2010 starts his new additions to our list with a No.1 pick who most likely will be a key forward :whistle.
whats the point
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Can we get fair dinkum here for just one little moment
The FACT is if we sack the coach we will get a caretaker
We are not going to get Buckley, Hardwick, Malthouse or Elvis is is not going to happen mid-season.
We will get a caretaker from within and there is an almighty chance that if that person (whoever it is) wins say 8 games they will get the gig fulltime..... and then you will all sook in 2010 when we are in exactly the same spot we are now
Now before the usual suspects start in on me I am going to make this very clear.
I have not deviated from my whole view on this and that is TW has a 5 year contract, his future will and should be determined at the end of the contract. If we don't make finals he will be gone, I have no problem with that but sacking a coach 4 games in or mid-season is not the answer.
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Can we get fair dinkum here for just one little moment
The FACT is if we sack the coach we will get a caretaker
We are not going to get Buckley, Hardwick, Malthouse or Elvis is is not going to happen mid-season.
We will get a caretaker from within and there is an almighty chance that if that person (whoever it is) wins say 8 games they will get the gig fulltime..... and then you will all sook in 2010 when we are in exactly the same spot we are now
Now before the usual suspects start in on me I am going to make this very clear.
I have not deviated from my whole view on this and that is TW has a 5 year contract, his future will and should be determined at the end of the contract. If we don't make finals he will be gone, I have no problem with that but sacking a coach 4 games in or mid-season is not the answer.
Your funny WP , "' if we dont make the finals""
REALITY CHECK, we wont win a game at this rate.
If he doesnt go, the place will turn into a wreck, it will completely ruin the RFC brand, it will be back to the late 1990,s where supporters dropped off with members not going to the games.
This what needs to happen, he goes tomorrow, caretaker coach takes over, and we play competitive football.
FACT. We are the WORST tackling side in the competition.
Why ? You tell me, you love Terry.
As a supporter , I am bleeding and have been for 3 years, why ? AS I SEEN WHAT WAS WRONG 3 years ago.
this cannot continue
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Why ? You tell me, you love Terry.
As a supporter , I am bleeding and have been for 3 years, why ? AS I SEEN WHAT WAS WRONG 3 years ago.
this cannot continue
Who said I love TW.... you did not me
Bottom line and it is very simple Jack I am very much old school and that is you honour contracts
Add to that as I have said many times I will not blame one person for what is going on.
Sorry but our players have to held to account for their pathetic efforts. IMHO some acid needs to go on them
The lack of leadership out there today was the worst it's been in quite some time
So who do we blame for that? Oh yeah that's right that's the coaches fault too
As for the circus that we are at the moment unlike you I blame the entire club for it...
As for bleeding .... you've only been bleeding for 3 years; well aren't you lucky. For me it's been nearly 30 years....
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pathetic efforts = bad game plan. Who is responsible,? The coach.
The players are told to kick short kicks out of D 50. Fact.
I could go on and on, I cant be bothered
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pathetic efforts = bad game plan. Who is responsible,? The coach.
At some point pride in your own performance has to kick in
I could go on and on, I cant be bothered
Is that a promise :rollin :lol :rollin :lol
You really need to loosen up Jack
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pathetic efforts = bad game plan. Who is responsible,? The coach.
At some point pride in your own performance has to kick in
I could go on and on, I cant be bothered
Is that a promise :rollin :lol :rollin :lol
You really need to loosen up Jack
Am just watching the replay, it aint good
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Am just watching the replay, it aint good
Don't need to watch it now will have a copy of the game by the end of the week
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It is evident that Terry will not be coaching the club next year. I know he has 18 games left but I find that it would be more beneficial for him to either jump or be forced to jump for the betterment of the list. It's not about honoring contracts its about the club
The kids have absolutely no confidence. It's shot. They have no confidence in the coach and in his game plan and the message is not getting across in many cases. Yes there are some players who can't cut but essentially the coach has lost the list. No point further exposing these kids to this continual losing culture and losing game plan that may psychologically inhibit them in the future and turn good kids into losers in terms of mentality on the footy field. I would hate to see someone like Cotch or Rance play like Jackson or White merely because of overexposure to a deficient game plan bereft of skill tackling and hard footy that is deficient to mind body and soul. This loser mentality is apparent to our culture and we need to eradicate this NOW.
We need to start now. Sack Terry and appoint Sheeds as a caretaker till the end of the season to get some sort of stability in the role and a fair and stuff appraisal on the list rather than have an outsider or a dud come in and say I need a couple of years to see who I want and who I don't. Have him as a mentor if you will and hopefully he can try and instill a winning mentality.
If Gary March is fair dinkum he would be onto the manager of Damian Hardwick and he should sign him up for three years. If anybody who could coach us next year how a rebuild should occur its Hardwick. After all he has overseen much of Hawthorn's rebuild first hand and will know what to do. Sign Hardwick up for three years and he will at least have Sheeds there and will also bring his own staff and has the mongrel and pride in his work to make sure the job gets done properly with no cutting of corners.
Wallace and his loyal band of unintelligent assistant coaches must not be allowed to further inhibit the nurturing and growth of the young kids who can play on our list with the current state of crap with regards to game plan tactics and culture.
For goodness sake sack Wallace and pay him out.
It's not about the contract nor the money its about the mentality that has not been fully ingrained as yet on these kids who are our future.
Another 18 weeks of this and 34000 members could be 25000 next year in a cut throat environment such as this especially if we have NOTHING TO HANG OUR HATS ON. RFC please consider this.
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Hey 2JD, do you want us to lose every game ? as thats what will happen if he doesnt go
At least then the new coach in 2010 starts his new additions to our list with a No.1 pick who most likely will be a key forward :whistle.
whats the point
Pretty simple Jack. Even with a new coach and new gamestyle next year we need at the very least a gun big forward to straighten the side up and give our players the option to kick longer if not in 2010 but by 2012 when the youngsters on our list now mature or are starting to mature and Richo is retired. The first pick in this year's November draft (the last non-GC one) will be a big forward called John Butcher who starred in the U18 champs last year even though he was too young to be drafted. Finishing last wouldn't be the worst thing that could happen to us.
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Any other good young key forwards?
I doubt we will end up with pick 1 , though with Watts on their list i guess its possible melb might pass on this kid?
I am no expert on the draft but it seems the players hardest to get after the first few picks are young quality key forwards and its what i most worry about with the gc drafts coming..Hopefully we can get one this year
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We need to start now. Sack Terry and appoint Sheeds as a caretaker till the end of the season to get some sort of stability in the role and a fair and stuff appraisal on the list rather than have an outsider or a dud come in and say I need a couple of years to see who I want and who I don't. Have him as a mentor if you will and hopefully he can try and instill a winning mentality.
Well there's your first problem Tucker - Sheedy has said and it's in today's paper that he will not take on the role of caretaker coach...
So who's the next option???? Campbell?
If Gary March is fair dinkum he would be onto the manager of Damian Hardwick and he should sign him up for three years. If anybody who could coach us next year how a rebuild should occur its Hardwick. After all he has overseen much of Hawthorn's rebuild first hand and will know what to do. Sign Hardwick up for three years and he will at least have Sheeds there and will also bring his own staff and has the mongrel and pride in his work to make sure the job gets done properly with no cutting of corners.
You've lost me there completely with the at least "sheeds will be there" thing... Can we please get over this Sheedy thing. IMHO we need to keep Sheedy out of the footy department... Was a great coach in his day but his time has passed.....
For goodness sake sake Wallace and pay him out.
It's not about the contract nor the money
Maybe it is about the money Tucker ... using your install Sheedy as caretaker coach tack do you really think Sheeds would do it out of the goodness of his heart...he would cost alot?
Sack a coach and the payout at a minimum his contract and then have to pay someone else ... perhaps it is about the money
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Not many clubs sack coaches mid year apart from Richmond, in the long run it just gives the players a cop out. I am not suggesting that TW will take us forward as his game plan is something our boys don't seem capable of pulling off but I dont see anythink gained by sacking a coach mid season.
I belive the Club should state that TW will remain no matter what for the season to stop all the histeria and put pressure back on the players !!!
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We had no money and were in shocking debt in 2004 under Casey yet in our infinite wisdom we offered Terry and Simmo five year deals.
Barassi in 1993 went to Sydney. Sure in many senses coaching may have passed him but he managed to stabilise the club and develop some sort of culture with the list he inherited that when he retired in 1995 the incumbent coach in Eade had the basis of a side there that made the Grand Final. Barassi's great name as well as AFL handouts convinced Roos and Lockett to go. Hey Shheds won't take us to a flag let alone the 8 but his prescence for the remaining of the year would give the club some credibility and stature that it does not have currently. Just an opinion. :thumbsup
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you are absolutely spot on WP I completely agree,
March should have the balls to keep wallace in charge.
Its the jackstars of this world and their influencee that have made us a rabble. If he sacks wallace it proves he is weak IMHO. Its round 4 FFS
Jason Dunstall was spot on when he said there was nothing to gain by sacking the coach. We should tank now, its the last chance to get a top 3 draft pick. Wallace should be instructed to play kids and retire the veterans, changes coaches and winning a few meaningless games is counter pructive at this stagge
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turmoil will follow any hasty decisions. :banghead
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you are absolutely spot on WP I completely agree,
March should have the balls to keep wallace in charge.
Its the jackstars of this world and their influencee that have made us a rabble. If he sacks wallace it proves he is weak IMHO. Its round 4 FFS
Jason Dunstall was spot on when he said there was nothing to gain by sacking the coach. We should tank now, its the last chance to get a top 3 draft pick. Wallace should be instructed to play kids and retire the veterans, changes coaches and winning a few meaningless games is counter pructive at this stagge
You have no idea.
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you are absolutely spot on WP I completely agree,
March should have the balls to keep wallace in charge.
Its the jackstars of this world and their influencee that have made us a rabble. If he sacks wallace it proves he is weak IMHO. Its round 4 FFS
Jason Dunstall was spot on when he said there was nothing to gain by sacking the coach. We should tank now, its the last chance to get a top 3 draft pick. Wallace should be instructed to play kids and retire the veterans, changes coaches and winning a few meaningless games is counter pructive at this stagge
The Club has created this circus with totally unnecessary comments since the end of last season. And it has been on going right up until now. It seems that no one can make a comment without making some reference to that bloody contract
I am so sick of hearing about that contract
I said to some friends that we are about to see how much ticker this Club has actually got
Easiest thing in the world this Club can do is to sack the coach.
But will it solve all the ills at the Club?
No, they will still be there but it will certainly take the heat off a few people and make them popular.
The question has to be what effect will it have in the long term? We are seen to be club that "eats its own". Whether the perception is actually valid is open to debate but that is how we are viewed. The easy option only re-inforces that view.
Tough decisions are those that are not usually popular and nor should they be. Strong leaders make tough calls.
We will probably soon know how prepared our club is to make tough decisions.
Let's see how much ticker we've got
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Sacking the coach will almost gaurantee that we will not get a worthyy replacement! Who wants to coach at a club renowned for sacking coaches? We would be cutting our nose to spite our face if we sack TW.
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Sacking the coach will almost gaurantee that we will not get a worthyy replacement! Who wants to coach at a club renowned for sacking coaches? We would be cutting our nose to spite our face if we sack TW.
The first good reason I have heard for not sacking him.
Problem is there are lots more reasons for than against.
Interesting times we live in.
:rollin
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Sacking the coach will almost gaurantee that we will not get a worthyy replacement! Who wants to coach at a club renowned for sacking coaches? We would be cutting our nose to spite our face if we sack TW.
Got it in won
How quickly people forget how we got stuck with one D Frawley..... IIRC M Thompson who coaches Geelong wasn't interested in the RFC job because of our reputation :banghead
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How about one of you "experts" you seem to know whats going wrong and how to fix it.
FFS what the point of getting rid of him mis season, There is no one to take his place! You know how it works when coaches are replaced like this, we win one or two and then we poo ourselves and fall in a heap. Until our players learn to respect each other, themselves and who ever their coach may be, we wont win a chook raffle!
Its time to send out a press release "Wallace Stays Till Season End" then shut up shop with no comments from EVERYONE board, players, boot studders and supporters and just go and learn how to play footy again!
at this point, we want to lose to maximise our drafting potential man!! there is no point in wallace staying really.
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you are absolutely spot on WP I completely agree,
March should have the balls to keep wallace in charge.
Its the jackstars of this world and their influencee that have made us a rabble. If he sacks wallace it proves he is weak IMHO. Its round 4 FFS
Jason Dunstall was spot on when he said there was nothing to gain by sacking the coach. We should tank now, its the last chance to get a top 3 draft pick. Wallace should be instructed to play kids and retire the veterans, changes coaches and winning a few meaningless games is counter pructive at this stagge
i totally agree with the fact that we should tank now and get top draft picks. however, the problem lies with wallace. i think he has too much pride to be told to play kids and retire the veterans. if he's in the last year of his contract and not gonna be re-appointed, why would he want to listen to the club??
personally he'd still be trying to win the meaningless games 'while there is still a mathematical chance of finals'...he'll hold onto that line for as long as he can. we can't have that....hence a caretaker who is not sheeds would have to be elevated from within....someone like david king or campbell
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Hey 2JD, do you want us to lose every game ? as thats what will happen if he doesnt go
At least then the new coach in 2010 starts his new additions to our list with a No.1 pick who most likely will be a key forward :whistle.
whats the point
Pretty simple Jack. Even with a new coach and new gamestyle next year we need at the very least a gun big forward to straighten the side up and give our players the option to kick longer if not in 2010 but by 2012 when the youngsters on our list now mature or are starting to mature and Richo is retired. The first pick in this year's November draft (the last non-GC one) will be a big forward called John Butcher who starred in the U18 champs last year even though he was too young to be drafted. Finishing last wouldn't be the worst thing that could happen to us.
totally agree we should get butcher if we can in the draft. as for the first pick of the draft, i think tom scully may take the mantle.
i've been wavering between butcher and scully recently. that's why it would be great if we could get pick 1 so we're not at the mercy of other teams picking in front of us.
hence losing to melbourne is important. we should lose to them again later on in the year. we need to do all we can to guide them to 5 wins so they dont' get the priority pick 1 for being crap two years in a row
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I'm starting to slide off the TW bandwagon and he will have to change his game plan quickly if he is to win me over before D-day. The zoning is just not working for our players and we do not have the skills or confidence to execute it. During every game this year teams have threaded their way through it nigh effortlessly.
The problem with emplying the zone this year is that it has lost its defensive impact because every team is expected it, have prepared for it and know how to break it down. Teams that are new to the strategy and/or lack the skills to utilize the zone during set ups are being made to look rediculous.
I said it at the start of the year that the Hawks would drop back because the rolling zone was no longer a 'new' or surprize defensive strategy which opposition teams are unprepared for. I wasn't predicting the injury concerns they are having but I feel my point remains the same for them, and more importantly, for us who have attempted to replicate the strategy.
Similiarly Richos move up the field was such a success not only because of his personal ability but also because teams were unprepared for the move. We were able to exploit defenders and midfielders who tried to nullify the big man. Now though teams are turning the tables and having players run off him.
TW needs to be original and adapt quickly. Man-on-man is no revolutionary strategy but it is the matchup that gave us the most success at the end of the last year and allowed us to see which players were good enough individually.
I want to see our players creating more space for one another. Evry team in the league will know know how to beat us - put plenty of players around the ball and pressure the ball, stick to your man and swamp carrier. We will then turn over the ball and game over.
We need to work for each other and while TW has been coach we have been weak in this area to say the least. We need to not only tackle but to shepherd and block. I just don't see enough enough of it particularly around stoppages and when our forwards are on the lead. If we can block the tagger so that Lids, Foley etc can run on to the ball then all of a sudden we will give our forwards half a chance.
Quick movement is the only way to beat the flooding/zoning that has washed over the competition lately and unless TW can change his strategies quickly, harden up the side, employ strategies to relieve the pressure and therefore improve our skills and instill confidence back into the side then he just taking up space to the end of the season IMHO.
Depending on how optomistically you wish to look at the senerio but if he turns things around I will be happy to see finals and if he fails I will be happy to get a series of high draft picks. Bringing in a new coach midseason would only cause problems fiancially and may win too many games :o
Let TW see out the year but that game plan needs to change quickly! :banghead
Stripes
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I'm starting to slide off the TW bandwagon and he will have to change his game plan quickly if he is to win me over before D-day. The zoning is just not working for our players and we do not have the skills or confidence to execute it. During every game this year teams have threaded their way through it nigh effortlessly.
The problem with emplying the zone this year is that it has lost its defensive impact because every team is expected it, have prepared for it and know how to break it down. Teams that are new to the strategy and/or lack the skills to utilize the zone during set ups are being made to look rediculous.
I said it at the start of the year that the Hawks would drop back because the rolling zone was no longer a 'new' or surprize defensive strategy which opposition teams are unprepared for. I wasn't predicting the injury concerns they are having but I feel my point remains the same for them, and more importantly, for us who have attempted to replicate the strategy.
Similiarly Richos move up the field was such a success not only because of his personal ability but also because teams were unprepared for the move. We were able to exploit defenders and midfielders who tried to nullify the big man. Now though teams are turning the tables and having players run off him.
TW needs to be original and adapt quickly. Man-on-man is no revolutionary strategy but it is the matchup that gave us the most success at the end of the last year and allowed us to see which players were good enough individually.
I want to see our players creating more space for one another. Evry team in the league will know know how to beat us - put plenty of players around the ball and pressure the ball, stick to your man and swamp carrier. We will then turn over the ball and game over.
We need to work for each other and while TW has been coach we have been weak in this area to say the least. We need to not only tackle but to shepherd and block. I just don't see enough enough of it particularly around stoppages and when our forwards are on the lead. If we can block the tagger so that Lids, Foley etc can run on to the ball then all of a sudden we will give our forwards half a chance.
Quick movement is the only way to beat the flooding/zoning that has washed over the competition lately and unless TW can change his strategies quickly, harden up the side, employ strategies to relieve the pressure and therefore improve our skills and instill confidence back into the side then he just taking up space to the end of the season IMHO.
Depending on how optomistically you wish to look at the senerio but if he turns things around I will be happy to see finals and if he fails I will be happy to get a series of high draft picks. Bringing in a new coach midseason would only cause problems fiancially and may win too many games :o
Let TW see out the year but that game plan needs to change quickly! :banghead
Stripes
on one hand there is no point keeping someone that wont be there next year but on the other hand can we really afford to start winning games with a new coach.
The blues didn't do it with ratts but they are a much smarter club than we are so who knows what needs to be done but all i know is i wont be seeing finals yet again.
all over for us for another year
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you are absolutely spot on WP I completely agree,
March should have the balls to keep wallace in charge.
Its the jackstars of this world and their influencee that have made us a rabble. If he sacks wallace it proves he is weak IMHO. Its round 4 FFS
Jason Dunstall was spot on when he said there was nothing to gain by sacking the coach. We should tank now, its the last chance to get a top 3 draft pick. Wallace should be instructed to play kids and retire the veterans, changes coaches and winning a few meaningless games is counter pructive at this stagge
Even Blaisee has seen reason. Theres no reason not to tank. We need the early picks 1 of the first 2 in the National Draft to get the Key Forward we need and another 2 inside 20. We also get a shot at the PSD where we need to pick up a decent player this time.
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Even Blaisee has seen reason. Theres no reason not to tank. We need the early picks 1 of the first 2 in the National Draft to get the Key Forward we need and another 2 inside 20. We also get a shot at the PSD where we need to pick up a decent player this time.
We are currently in limbo on many issues - Should we try and win or design to lose ???
Should we cut our loses now or stick it out?
Is our senior players time quickly drawing to the end or should we give them to the end of the season?
Should we try and build a winning culture with our young players or fail so we get good players in?
I don't want to give up all hope just yet but the time for decisions is fast approaching. If we decide to move TW on and 'play the youth' then players such as Brown, Johnson, Simmonds, Bowden and even Richo may have their careers ended very abruptly as well. You would hope that if TW is told that his contract will not be renewed that the 'Care-taker coach' will be directed to not only play the youth but to lose at all costs.
Our draw opens up considerably in the second half of the year and I feel if 'Tanking' is our aim then leaving TW to finish off his contract could be a mistake given his pride. TW will never conceed when winning is an option and would take great delight in miraculously making the finals if he was told to move on.
It saddens me to think that the hard work, planning and development that has been invested in our list could have all been for nought. I refuse to believe that our list does not have a chance of becoming a strong team which regular finals appearances are not out of the question with. :weights
I find it difficult to believe that we need to start again and feel that we are just underperforming. Perhaps we need a new coach to reinvigorate us and give the list the hardness that we lack under TW game plan. In saying this I will always appreciate the work TW has done for the club. He is one of the very few Tigers coaches who has even attempted to grow our own talent and start from scratch. Others have rehashed but TW rebuilt and you have to give him credit for having the balls to try.
I hope in years to come the lists talent is final realised but I think it is becoming increasingly likely if this does occur it will be under the leadership of someone other than TW.
Stripes
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you are absolutely spot on WP I completely agree,
March should have the balls to keep wallace in charge.
Its the jackstars of this world and their influencee that have made us a rabble. If he sacks wallace it proves he is weak IMHO. Its round 4 FFS
Jason Dunstall was spot on when he said there was nothing to gain by sacking the coach. We should tank now, its the last chance to get a top 3 draft pick. Wallace should be instructed to play kids and retire the veterans, changes coaches and winning a few meaningless games is counter pructive at this stagge
You have no idea.
yea, Jason Dunstall has no idea either, I mean he is probably the best administrator in the afl, he brought hawthorn from second last to a premiership in 4 years but hey what would he know ::)
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True I don't believe in this sacking a coach for the sake of it.
For whoever is coach for the rest of this year be it Wallace or anyone else they must be seen to be coaching for the future. That means giving people a role, finding out if people have some hope of making it "JON" or moving them on and giving the team some semblance of structure and work from there.
If it means we start again ala Hawthorn well we start again because after another 5 years we have as of the first 4 rounds this year gone nowhere.
You know how sick it makes me us treading water while the rest of the league BAR Freo go up and down, Now Carlton look like they are going to get their opportunity in the years to follow and we will be, well where we allways seem to be, in the twilight zone. :banghead
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What do people think of Andy Collins as a potential head coach? I know people were disappointed to see him leave for West Adelaide.
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What do people think of Andy Collins as a potential head coach? I know people were disappointed to see him leave for West Adelaide.
He'll need to get a position as an assistant coach at the AFL club first. He's coached his own team which is handy experience but he's been out of the AFL system. He also hasn't had much success as coach. Coburg got to a GF under him but moving to West Adelaide meant he's coaching the bottom side of the SANFL. Clarkson for instance won a flag coaching Central Districts and then joined Mark Williams at Port as an assistant (flag in 2004) before getting the Hawthorn gig. I guess one knock on Hardwick is to my knowledge he hasn't coached his own team despite ticking all the boxes (experience under Sheeds, Williams and Clarkson as player or assistant coach). Cambo also hasn't coached his own team and is the least experienced of the potential candidates.
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Today's Age mentioned Leon Cameron and Chris Bond as coaching options as well as the already mentioned names ......
Wallace situation raises coaching scenarios for Richmond
Michael Gleeson | April 21, 2009
RICHMOND has held to one line through this year and that is that Terry Wallace is contracted until the end of this season. Which is different to saying he will be coaching in round 22 this year.
One thing is certain and it is that, barring a minor miracle, he won't be coaching Richmond in round one next year.
Wallace may not be sacked during the year but he will be told, as his predecessor Danny Frawley was, that his contract will not renewed.
Frawley stayed on in a job he knew he would not take into the next season, but it was for coach and club an uncomfortable situation. It remains to be seen whether Wallace would do as Frawley did.
It is also doubtful if Richmond would wish him to. Club president Gary March admitted on radio yesterday that the club had — as any club in this situation would — a contingency for what might transpire with the coach during the next three-to-six months. He did not elaborate, save to say that Kevin Sheedy would not be coaching Richmond as a caretaker or the next senior coach.
If and when Richmond gets to the point of having the conversation with Wallace about next season it will be at a time when this season is sunk. Bearing in mind that six other clubs have coaches coming out of contract at season's end (admittedly not all of them likely to change the coach) the Tigers would likely want to steal a march on the opposition to find the best replacement.
Richmond also has what would appear to be a softer draw in the second half of the season than the first. Granted, having just lost to lowly Melbourne nothing can be too safely presumed about soft draws but ladder positions would suggest the Tigers face easier games later in the year than they do early on.
That could prove embarrassing to a board if it had left a lame-duck coach in charge of a side that came home with four or five wins.
This presents a further complication to the choice of a caretaker. Wayne Campbell is a highly regarded figure at Richmond as a former champion player and respected potential future coach but there is a sense this might be coming too soon for him.
If he was put in charge as caretaker and won a bunch of games it could create an "Unleash the Giesch" momentum that might blur the thinking on the best decision. Equally it could be a Paul Roos in Sydney scenario and prove to be the best choice after all.
Concerns about Campbell's readiness might be satisfied by a scenario where a figure such as former premiership player Michael Malthouse — who notably said at the weekend that he expected to be coaching next year whether it was at Collingwood or elsewhere — came in as a mentor ostensibly to Campbell for a year or two.
Mark Williams has often said he would love to coach in Melbourne at some point and being out of contract at year's end that point may be soon. He, like Malthouse, would assume the position with a sufficient level of gravitas that he would determinedly change the culture.
Nathan Buckley is a standout candidate in untried coaches though he has yet to declare whether he has had a change of heart about taking a job without an assistant-coaching apprenticeship. He is the Michael Voss of this year — the one all clubs without a coach will want and most likely not give a damn about whether he had spent a year elsewhere.
Buckley would also be aware that when he does decide he wants to commit to senior coaching a job will be available somewhere so he will closely scrutinise any list before accepting. And Richmond's playing list is thin. Most coaches looking for new jobs don't have that luxury.
Damien Hardwick is the oft-touted senior-coach-in-waiting but that would not place him ahead of the likes of Leon Cameron and Chris Bond who have impeccable credentials and are "of the club".
http://www.theage.com.au/news/rfnews/wallace-situation-raises-coaching-scenarios-for-richmond/2009/04/20/1240079605787.html
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Pagan: I still want to coach
Caroline Wilson | April 21, 2009
DENIS Pagan last night threw a new twist into the situation of besieged Richmond coach Terry Wallace by declaring himself in a perfect position to take on a senior AFL coaching job.
Pagan coaches Wallace's son Brent in the TAC competition. He told Channel Seven last night that, "I think I'm in the best position of my life with all the experience I've had".
"I don't want this to sound like a job CV or dance on anyone else's grave but I'm still very keen to coach," Pagan said.
His comments came as massive speculation surrounded Wallace and his coaching future.
Wallace, whose short-term future has been guaranteed by Richmond, did not return calls from The Age last night but according to Tiger officials was stunned by Pagan's comments coming only 24 hours after Richmond's abysmal performance against Melbourne, which marked the club's fourth straight loss.
Brent Wallace, who is studying VCE, and has been touted as a 2010 AFL rookie selection was training last night for the Northern Knights when his coach's revelation went to air. The Knights had their first win under Pagan on Sunday as Wallace's Tigers lost against Melbourne.
Until yesterday Wallace had received unprecedented support from his fellow AFL coaches, partly due to a call to arms by coaches association boss Danny Frawley.
Although Pagan was not referring directly to the Richmond job, his comments were regarded as ill-timed and inflammatory by Richmond's inner sanctum and even more so given Pagan had worked unofficially with the Richmond coaching group over the pre-season.
Pagan has made no secret of his desire to return to a senior AFL coaching position and is working to push his cause by proving himself as a mentor to teenagers in the under-18 competition.
The Richmond board is not expected to make a call on Wallace's immediate future when it meets tonight. President Gary March was reportedly backing away from his comments on Melbourne radio earlier yesterday that his club had a "contingency plan" should Wallace fail to complete his contract, which expires at the end of this season.
March has said that all businesses have contingency plans but added that he was not referring to any plans to move on the coach.
Richmond football boss Craig Cameron said last night: "We're not giving up on the season at this point. No decisions have been made and 18 weeks is a long time."
Cameron said his meeting with Wallace early yesterday left him with the impression that the coach was "bearing up really well".
"He was flat last night as you would expect but at the match review and the meeting with the players he was fine," he said.
Cameron was quoted after Sunday's loss as saying he was reasonably confident Wallace would coach the Tigers against North Melbourne in round five but he said yesterday: "Of course he'll coach this week. It's just my language."
While Wallace looks likely to be gone from Richmond by the end of the season, the club has not turned its thoughts to any replacements and still appears unwilling to make a move on Wallace in the coming weeks.
Yesterday's meeting with the players was reportedly a highly emotional one. After delivering a heated half-time spray to his players at the MCG, Wallace did not talk to his group after the game and yesterday placed the ball firmly in their court.
While Cameron refused to elaborate on the discussions, he said: "The players were prepared to take responsibility for their actions and they knew that their execution and contested efforts were poor."
Encouraging news for Richmond yesterday was that Ben Cousins, Trent Cotchin and Andrew Raines will return from injury in Richmond's VFL affiliate Coburg this weekend.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/rfnews/pagan-im-ready/2009/04/20/1240079605784.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
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Damien Hardwick is the oft-touted senior-coach-in-waiting but that would not place him ahead of the likes of Leon Cameron and Chris Bond who have impeccable credentials and are "of the club".
God I wish this club would get off the whole "Best Richmond Person" thing, we've been crap for 27 years, so unless it's Malthouse or Sheedy get someone who knows what success actually looks like. I think the most obvious thing this club needs to break it out of it's rut is someone who hasn't caught the Richmond Cancer.
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Damien Hardwick is the oft-touted senior-coach-in-waiting but that would not place him ahead of the likes of Leon Cameron and Chris Bond who have impeccable credentials and are "of the club".
God I wish this club would get off the whole "Best Richmond Person" thing, we've been crap for 27 years, so unless it's Malthouse or Sheedy get someone who knows what success actually looks like. I think the most obvious thing this club needs to break it out of it's rut is someone who hasn't caught the Richmond Cancer.
FFS it has got to be Hardwick or Malthouse. I couldnt care less that Mick played for the tigers i just love his ruthless attitude.
We dont need Cameron or Bond. I mean they have been assistant coaches for what 7 years so it must mean something why they still haven't been selected as senior coaches.
Not interested.
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maybe because they have been in the system long enough & have not what it takes to be a AFL coach
Not all people put in coaching positions have what it takes. Thats why they remain assistant coaches & go from club to club
They are interviewed & processed on what they have to offer. The applicants presentation is what gets them the job.
Its no walk in & Campbell will be a scapegoat. That is why he was brought to the club if things go wrong he will be the plan till next year in case Wallace walked.
Sheedy will be coach of Richmond & it will be next year. :thumbsup Campbell will learn under the him but that dont mean he will advance in the future. Its a long process to be a coach & Richmonds plan is to have Richmond people in place. ;D
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It is not just Wallace's position that must be reviewed.
One must also review the whole recruiting team/football department. It is no good just changing the person who sits in the coaches chair if we dont have a better recruiting division. Only in recent times has the club been able to afford more than just FJ. This whole division needs expanding. Realistically the coach (Wallace or whoever) doesnt go and watch every TAC cup game and every SANFL or WAFL game to see the talent out there...the coach is relying on the recruiters to do their job.
More money needs to be spent in the recruiting division as well....
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More money needs to be spent in the recruiting division as well....
I think you will find that's where the extra footy dept spend in 2009 is actually going Con65
They actually have more than one person recruiting. There's Francis Jackson and I think another 2 in Melb, plus scounts interstate now...
We didn't have that before
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More money needs to be spent in the recruiting division as well....
I think you will find that's where the extra footy dept spend in 2009 is actually going Con65
They actually have more than one person recruiting. There's Francis Jackson and I think another 2 in Melb, plus scounts interstate now...
We didn't have that before
Hard to believe we were that far behind. This basically says to me that only the most recent drafts have been made using educated and thoroughly researched decisions. No wonder in '04 out of the 5 we chose only 2 of them seem worth a pinch of salt.
But of course this is all TW fault now isn't it.... :-X
Stripes
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But of course this is all TW fault now isn't it.... :-X
Stripes
Yeah off with his head :rollin
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lets all step outside the square for a sec and think about this with no emotion and loyalties
in his 5th year of coaching at this club, terry has not improved the team, its performance , its style of play etc etc
these are cold hard facts, reality often hurts
in saying this, if terry is not going to coach us in 2010, cut all ties now.
we are just wasting time
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http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/sport/afl/story/0,27009,25364892-5016140,00.html
DENIS Pagan has denied he is trying to snare the Richmond job from embattled Tigers coach Terry Wallace. Following Richmond's fourth straight loss - to last year's wooden spooners Melbourne on Sunday - speculation Wallace would be sacked was rampant.
But Pagan, who took North Melbourne to two flags, said his comments were badly timed and he had apologised to Wallace.
"I don't ring anybody up and say, 'I want to coach'. People ask me," Pagan told SEN.
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N Buckley
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The men most likely
Compiled by Michael Gleeson | April 21, 2009
THE COACHING CANDIDATES:
WAYNE CAMPBELL
Richmond assistant
The former captain and four-time best-and-fairest winner is well-regarded even if the timing is considered premature for him. One scenario touted would have a senior figure such as Michael Malthouse join the Tigers for two years to mentor Campbell. He could also fill in as a caretaker.
NATHAN BUCKLEY
Former Collingwood captain
Six-time best-and-fairest winner, seven-time All-Australian, Brownlow medallist. Buckley has said he plans to coach in the AFL next year but is yet to say if he is prepared to contemplate doing a Michael Voss and going in without an assistant year or two.
MICK MALTHOUSE
Collingwood coach
As a proven successful coach - dual West Coast premiership coach - and a former Richmond premiership player he has appeal. If he is not re-signed by the Pies could be a chance. Would address concerns of selfishness and being committed to the cause.
LEON CAMERON
Western Bulldogs assistant
Former Richmond and Bulldogs player and current Bulldog assistant who is well regarded. Understated but with considerable understanding of the game. Understands the Tigers culture.
DAMIEN HARDWICK
Hawthorn assistant
The former Essendon and Port Adelaide premiership player has an exceptional pedigree for the fact he has been on the Hawthorn coaching panel. No-nonsense player and highly regarded by Port and the Hawks for his thinking on the game. Was on the short list for the Essendon job when Matthew Knights was appointed.
CHRIS BOND
Fremantle football manager
Popular and respected former Richmond best-and-fairest winner and Fremantle captain. Was a long-term assistant coach at the Western Bulldogs. Having been a bridesmaid several times in the hunt for a coaching job, he shifted across to management at Fremantle. The experience should enhance, not harm, his prospects.
MARK WILLIAMS
Port Adelaide coach
If the choice is for an experienced coach, Williams’ return to Melbourne is a wildcard. The Port premiership coach has never hidden his desire to coach one of the big Melbourne clubs.
BRAD SCOTT
Collingwood assistant
The former Brisbane Lion dual premiership player has been an assistant coach at Collingwood since retiring at the end of 2007. Extremely highly rated by his former and current clubs as a definite future senior coach.
SCOTT BURNS
West Coast assistant
Former Collingwood captain. Respected, no-nonsense character and astute thinker on the game. Has only had one season as an assistant, but is rated a future senior coach.
MARK RILEY
Carlton assistant
Former Demons assistant who took over as caretaker after Neale Daniher left and has been at Carlton since. Insightful football thinker with strong personality. Works well with young players.
POSSIBLE CARETAKERS:
BRIAN ROYAL
Should Terry Wallace not see out the year his long-term assistant Royal, the Tigers’ director of coaching, would be the easy choice to guide the side without being a considered a candidate.
DAVID KING
Former North Melbourne dual premiership player. Has been an assistant coach at Richmond since 2005 when he retired from playing. Highly regarded internally at Richmond and may be a choice to take over in the interim.
THE MARKET
Who will coach Richmond in 2010? Sportsbet's speculative odds*
$4 Nathan Buckley
$5 Wayne Campbell, Mark Williams
$7.50 Kevin Sheedy
$8.50 Damien Hardwick
$12 Brad Scott, David King
$14 Michael Malthouse
$17 Rodney Eade, Brenton Sanderson
$21 John Longmire
$23 Robert Harvey
$26 Nigel Lappin
$34 Brian Royal
$51 Leigh Matthews
$501 Terry Wallace
* Not taking bets on this market yet
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/the-men-most-likely/2009/04/20/1240079606079.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
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Walls' view....
RICHMOND
Terry Wallace will depart this year, hopefully later rather than sooner. Malthouse would be ideal if the Tigers were looking for experience. If they opt for a young, first-time coach, Buckley, Wayne Campbell, Viney and Hardwick should be considered.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/puzzling-times-for-coaches/2009/04/23/1240079801817.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
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I reckon Malthouse's odd should be higher than that.
My preferences would be:
New school
Hardwick
Buckley
Old School
Malthouse
Roos
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It appears as though the coaching pool is as strong as ever. I dont believe there will be the coaching exodus as the media purports! Whenever Richmond are on the prowl for a new coach, so does every other Tom,idiot and Harry.
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Yep and we either end up with a dud
as we did in 1999 as no candidate with any substance wants to touch us
anyone Remember Bomber Thompsons comments?
We either have an opportunity to pick someone and we select the wrong option
as we did in 2004. Boy were alot of us sucked in.
Or we just pick the best available coach at the time who is just doing the job at that time like Gieschen was in 1997. In hindsight would Giesche had got the job if we had lost that famous round 22 game against the Scum at Optus coming from 42 points down?
To get a candidate of any real substance and credentialls we will need to change our culture as the prospective candidate would either use that culture against us to over inflate his price to beyond any reason that would make us commit due to the external perception people have of the RFC.
Hence at the moment coaches who are past it like Ayres and Pagan are seeing us as a ticket to that last attempt to glory and a free ride on the gravy train. Either way as always with us the new appointee I believe will be a controversial choice rather than a logical choice.
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I reckon Malthouse's odd should be higher than that.
My preferences would be:
New school
Hardwick
Buckley
Old School
Malthouse
Roos
Roos won't coach anywhere but Sydney, he does not consider himself as a career coach and is already grooming Longmire to take over from him down the track
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.............. and is already grooming Longmire to take over from him down the track
And this is where I disagree with the 'accepted' path to a coaching career. I don't believe grooming of coaches works. I think (generally) the best coaches have, at most, one short stint as an assistant and then get a main gig, well before they have had their own ideas and methods stifled by 'advice' from numerous or long term prejudices of others. Of course there will always be an exception but in my opinion the longer an assistant coach, the less likely you are to make it as a senior coach. A far better path is to go coach a senior team in a major provincial, metropolitan or interstate competition. Learn your craft the 'learning' way - by doing it yourself. Seek advice when you feel you need it but don't allow the subordinate aspect of working under someone else to corrupt your own thinking.
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I don't agree with it either, but as long as it's not us I don't care
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Watching the ANZAC day clash between Essendon and Collingwood.
Certainly prefer Knights straight down the guts style over Malthouse's around the boundary line crap.
Maybe not Malthouse for the Tigers?
:cheers
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... and Malthouse is using the Binoculars a little too much for my liking.
:cheers
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The only coach that should follow on from Terry Wallace's 5 years is......................
TERRY WALLACE. :bow
Lets stick PHAT and keep him on for another 3 years. The young guys will come through, but we don't need another coach to start the process all over again.
Don't forget, my opinion is just as invalid as every other bloody idiot who posts on any internet forum.
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The only coach that should follow on from Terry Wallace's 5 years is......................
TERRY WALLACE. :bow
Lets stick PHAT and keep him on for another 3 years. The young guys will come through, but we don't need another coach to start the process all over again.
Don't forget, my opinion is just as invalid as every other bloody idiot who posts on any internet forum.
Thats just setting a bait Ekto! Be careful what you say on here, it could result in a public execution :shh
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knights.
better now than before we destabilise the club chasing him for 15 years a la sheedy.
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Oh well thats a weeks breather on this thread ;D
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The win still hasn't stopped Patrick Smith linking Malthouse to us .....
For sale: one used coach - maintenance needed but great for kids
Patrick Smith | April 27, 2009
McGuire knows how good Malthouse is at doing his job. So does the board and so do the players. So, if Malthouse is not, and doesn't need to, promote himself to Collingwood then just who or what is his target? Try Richmond. North Melbourne. Or the Gold Coast.
Terry Wallace has taken the Tigers to their first win of the season. It was a competent, well-drilled win over North Melbourne but with a great emotional prize on the siren. Wallace has been let down by a bumbling board and an amateurish administration. If you did not know better, one look from the outside might suggest they had all but willed him, if not to defeat, certainly to disappear.
The victory also marked the return to football of Mark Coughlan, such an influential midfielder before being struck by recurring knee injuries two years ago. He had 16 possessions which must have felt the most wonderful of his life. He was drowned in sport drink and congratulations back in the rooms.
But as good as Wallace is, he won't be at Richmond next year. Not if president Gary March is. The two could not possibly co-exist past this year. But Richmond is Malthouse's old club. The recruiting of Ben Cousins drove membership, the return of Malthouse next year would do more of the same.
Malthouse can do everything as coach - teach the kids, make the ordinary better, win premierships, humiliate journalists. That's why he would work at Richmond and why he is almost a must at the Gold Coast. He brings expertise but also credibility and marketing power. Malthouse has been coaching since 1984 (Footscray) and has been in charge of 593 games. He could work on recruiting and building the list through next year, ready and refreshed to take Gold Coast into its first AFL match in 2011.
There are qualifiers to all these scenarios. Geelong's guru Neil Balme is wanted as football manager at Richmond and at the Gold Coast. He has worked with Malthouse at Collingwood, would he want to work with him again?
Full article at:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25390286-12270,00.html
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Crawf wants Malthouse to coach us ...
But for me, the Tigers seem a perfect fit for Mick next season, and I reckon he would be ideal to try to turn them around over the next three years.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,25421780-5018851,00.html
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mick is so far overrated now, he may have been a good coach but isnt now
i would rather eep tery than take on sooky mick, at least terry never winges or sooks
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Buckley was just asked on 3aw if he or a representative of his has spoken to Richmond (or North) about coaching and he said no.
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Ken Hinkley is the hot tip going around!
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Ken Hinkley is the hot tip going around!
Wouldn't complain with that selection
The janitor would be a better option than Campbell anyway