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Re: Terry's Replacment
« Reply #30 on: April 19, 2009, 09:36:10 PM »
Any other good young key forwards?

I doubt we will end up with pick 1 , though with Watts on their list i guess its possible melb might pass on this kid?

I am no expert on the draft but it seems the players hardest to get after the first few picks are young quality key forwards and its what i most worry about with the gc drafts coming..Hopefully we can get one this year

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Re: Terry's Replacment
« Reply #31 on: April 19, 2009, 09:37:19 PM »
We need to start now. Sack Terry and appoint Sheeds as a caretaker till the end of the season to get some sort of stability in the role and a fair and stuff appraisal on the list rather than have an outsider or a dud come in and say I need a couple of years to see who I want and who I don't. Have him as a mentor if you will and hopefully he can try and instill a winning mentality.

Well there's your first problem Tucker - Sheedy has said and it's in today's paper that he will not take on the role of caretaker coach...

So who's the next option???? Campbell?

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If Gary March is fair dinkum he would be onto the manager of Damian Hardwick and he should sign him up for three years. If anybody who could coach us next year how a rebuild should occur its Hardwick. After all he has overseen much of Hawthorn's rebuild first hand and will know what to do. Sign Hardwick up for three years and he will at least have Sheeds there and will also bring his own staff and has the mongrel and pride in his work to make sure the job gets done properly with no cutting of corners.

You've lost me there completely with the at least "sheeds will be there" thing... Can we please get over this Sheedy thing. IMHO we need to keep Sheedy out of the footy department... Was a great coach in his day but his time has passed.....

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For goodness sake sake Wallace and pay him out.
It's not about the contract nor the money

Maybe it is about the money Tucker ... using your install Sheedy as caretaker coach tack do you really think Sheeds would do it out of the goodness of his heart...he would cost alot?

Sack a coach and the payout at a minimum his contract and then have to pay someone else ... perhaps it is about the money
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Re: Terry's Replacment
« Reply #32 on: April 19, 2009, 09:39:54 PM »
Not many clubs sack coaches mid year apart from Richmond, in the long run it just gives the players a cop out. I am not suggesting that TW will take us forward as his game plan is something our boys don't seem capable of pulling off but I dont see anythink gained by sacking a coach mid season.

I belive the Club should state that TW will remain no matter what for the season to stop all the histeria and put pressure back on the players !!!


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Re: Terry's Replacment
« Reply #33 on: April 19, 2009, 09:43:00 PM »
We had no money and were in shocking debt in 2004 under Casey yet in our infinite wisdom we offered Terry and Simmo five year deals.

Barassi in 1993 went to Sydney. Sure in many senses coaching may have passed him but he managed to stabilise the club and develop some sort of culture with the list he inherited that when he retired in 1995 the incumbent coach in Eade had the basis of a side there that made the Grand Final. Barassi's great name as well as AFL handouts convinced Roos and Lockett to go. Hey Shheds won't take us to a flag let alone the 8 but his prescence for the remaining of the year would give the club some credibility and stature that it does not have currently. Just an opinion. :thumbsup

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Re: Terry's Replacment
« Reply #34 on: April 19, 2009, 09:43:29 PM »
you are absolutely spot on WP I completely agree,

March should have the balls to keep wallace in charge.

Its the jackstars of this world and their influencee that have made us a rabble. If he sacks wallace it proves he is weak IMHO. Its round 4 FFS

Jason Dunstall was spot on when he said there was nothing to gain by sacking the coach. We should tank now, its the last chance to get a top 3 draft pick. Wallace should be instructed to play kids and retire the veterans, changes coaches and winning a few meaningless games is counter pructive at this stagge


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Re: Terry's Replacment
« Reply #35 on: April 19, 2009, 09:50:10 PM »
turmoil will follow any hasty decisions. :banghead

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Re: Terry's Replacment
« Reply #36 on: April 19, 2009, 10:00:45 PM »
you are absolutely spot on WP I completely agree,

March should have the balls to keep wallace in charge.

Its the jackstars of this world and their influencee that have made us a rabble. If he sacks wallace it proves he is weak IMHO. Its round 4 FFS

Jason Dunstall was spot on when he said there was nothing to gain by sacking the coach. We should tank now, its the last chance to get a top 3 draft pick. Wallace should be instructed to play kids and retire the veterans, changes coaches and winning a few meaningless games is counter pructive at this stagge



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Re: Terry's Replacment
« Reply #37 on: April 19, 2009, 10:18:15 PM »
you are absolutely spot on WP I completely agree,

March should have the balls to keep wallace in charge.

Its the jackstars of this world and their influencee that have made us a rabble. If he sacks wallace it proves he is weak IMHO. Its round 4 FFS

Jason Dunstall was spot on when he said there was nothing to gain by sacking the coach. We should tank now, its the last chance to get a top 3 draft pick. Wallace should be instructed to play kids and retire the veterans, changes coaches and winning a few meaningless games is counter pructive at this stagge



The Club has created this circus with totally unnecessary comments since the end of last season. And it has been on going right up until now. It seems that no one can make a comment without making some reference to that bloody contract

I am so sick of hearing about that contract

I said to some friends that we are about to see how much ticker this Club has actually got

Easiest thing in the world this Club can do is to sack the coach.

But will it solve all the ills at the Club?

No, they will still be there but it will certainly take the heat off a few people and make them popular.

The question has to be what effect will it have in the long term? We are seen to be club that "eats its own". Whether the perception is actually valid is open to debate but that is how we are viewed. The easy option only re-inforces that view.

Tough decisions are those that are not usually popular and nor should they be. Strong leaders make tough calls.

We will probably soon know how prepared our club is to make tough decisions.

Let's see how much ticker we've got   



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Re: Terry's Replacment
« Reply #38 on: April 19, 2009, 10:24:42 PM »
Sacking the coach will almost gaurantee that we will not get a worthyy replacement! Who wants to coach at a club renowned for sacking coaches? We would be cutting our nose to spite our face if we sack TW.

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« Reply #39 on: April 19, 2009, 10:26:44 PM »
Sacking the coach will almost gaurantee that we will not get a worthyy replacement! Who wants to coach at a club renowned for sacking coaches? We would be cutting our nose to spite our face if we sack TW.

The first good reason I have heard for not sacking him.

Problem is there are lots more reasons for than against.

Interesting times we live in.

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Re: Terry's Replacment
« Reply #40 on: April 19, 2009, 10:29:41 PM »
Sacking the coach will almost gaurantee that we will not get a worthyy replacement! Who wants to coach at a club renowned for sacking coaches? We would be cutting our nose to spite our face if we sack TW.

Got it in won

How quickly people forget how we got stuck with one D Frawley..... IIRC M Thompson who coaches Geelong wasn't interested in the RFC job because of our reputation  :banghead
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Re: Terry's Replacment
« Reply #41 on: April 19, 2009, 10:48:03 PM »
How about one of you "experts" you seem to know whats going wrong and how to fix it.
FFS what the point of getting rid of him mis season, There is no one to take his place! You know how it works when coaches are replaced like this, we win one or two and then we poo ourselves and fall in a heap. Until our players learn to respect each other, themselves and who ever their coach may be, we wont win a chook raffle!
Its time to send out a press release "Wallace Stays Till Season End" then shut up shop with no comments from EVERYONE board, players, boot studders and supporters and just go and learn how to play footy again!

at this point, we want to lose to maximise our drafting potential man!! there is no point in wallace staying really.

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Re: Terry's Replacment
« Reply #42 on: April 19, 2009, 10:56:00 PM »
you are absolutely spot on WP I completely agree,

March should have the balls to keep wallace in charge.

Its the jackstars of this world and their influencee that have made us a rabble. If he sacks wallace it proves he is weak IMHO. Its round 4 FFS

Jason Dunstall was spot on when he said there was nothing to gain by sacking the coach. We should tank now, its the last chance to get a top 3 draft pick. Wallace should be instructed to play kids and retire the veterans, changes coaches and winning a few meaningless games is counter pructive at this stagge

i totally agree with the fact that we should tank now and get top draft picks.  however, the problem lies with wallace.  i think he has too much pride to be told to play kids and retire the veterans.  if he's in the last year of his contract and not gonna be re-appointed, why would he want to listen to the club??

personally he'd still be trying to win the meaningless games 'while there is still a mathematical chance of finals'...he'll hold onto that line for as long as he can.  we can't have that....hence a caretaker who is not sheeds would have to be elevated from within....someone like david king or campbell

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Re: Terry's Replacment
« Reply #43 on: April 19, 2009, 10:59:47 PM »
Hey 2JD, do you want us to lose every game ? as thats what will happen if he doesnt go
At least then the new coach in 2010 starts his new additions to our list with a No.1 pick who most likely will be a key forward  :whistle.

whats the point
Pretty simple Jack. Even with a new coach and new gamestyle next year we need at the very least a gun big forward to straighten the side up and give our players the option to kick longer if not in 2010 but by 2012 when the youngsters on our list now mature or are starting to mature and Richo is retired. The first pick in this year's November draft (the last non-GC one) will be a big forward called John Butcher who starred in the U18 champs last year even though he was too young to be drafted. Finishing last wouldn't be the worst thing that could happen to us.

totally agree we should get butcher if we can in the draft.  as for the first pick of the draft, i think tom scully may take the mantle.

i've been wavering between butcher and scully recently.  that's why it would be great if we could get pick 1 so we're not at the mercy of other teams picking in front of us. 

hence losing to melbourne is important.  we should lose to them again later on in the year.  we need to do all we can to guide them to 5 wins so they dont' get the priority pick 1 for being crap two years in a row

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Re: Terry's Replacment
« Reply #44 on: April 19, 2009, 11:02:31 PM »
I'm starting to slide off the TW bandwagon and he will have to change his game plan quickly if he is to win me over before D-day. The zoning is just not working for our players and we do not have the skills or confidence to execute it. During every game this year teams have threaded their way through it nigh effortlessly.

The problem with emplying the zone this year is that it has lost its defensive impact because every team is expected it, have prepared for it and know how to break it down. Teams that are new to the strategy and/or lack the skills to utilize the zone during set ups are being made to look rediculous.

I said it at the start of the year that the Hawks would drop back because the rolling zone was no longer a 'new' or surprize defensive strategy which opposition teams are unprepared for. I wasn't predicting the injury concerns they are having but I feel my point remains the same for them, and more importantly, for us who have attempted to replicate the strategy.

Similiarly Richos move up the field was such a success not only because of his personal ability but also because teams were unprepared for the move. We were able to exploit defenders and midfielders who tried to nullify the big man. Now though teams are turning the tables and having players run off him.

TW needs to be original and adapt quickly. Man-on-man is no revolutionary strategy but it is the matchup that gave us the most success at the end of the last year and allowed us to see which players were good enough individually.

I want to see our players creating more space for one another. Evry team in the league will know know how to beat us - put plenty of players around the ball and pressure the ball, stick to your man and swamp carrier. We will then turn over the ball and game over.

We need to work for each other and while TW has been coach we have been weak in this area to say the least. We need to not only tackle but to shepherd and block. I just don't see enough enough of it particularly around stoppages and when our forwards are on the lead. If we can block the tagger so that Lids, Foley etc can run on to the ball then all of a sudden we will give our forwards half a chance.

Quick movement is the only way to beat the flooding/zoning that has washed over the competition lately and unless TW can change his strategies quickly, harden up the side, employ strategies to relieve the pressure and therefore improve our skills and instill confidence back into the side then he just taking up space to the end of the season IMHO.

Depending on how optomistically you wish to look at the senerio but if he turns things around I will be happy to see finals and if he fails I will be happy to get a series of high draft picks. Bringing in a new coach midseason would only cause problems fiancially and may win too many games  :o

Let TW see out the year but that game plan needs to change quickly!  :banghead

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