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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on May 28, 2009, 06:28:10 AM
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Who would qualify from your club
Herald-Sun | May 27, 2009
IF THE AFL and the players' association agree to a seven-year eligibility period for free agency, these are just some of the players who would qualify at the end of 2012.
Richmond: Brett Deledio, Nathan Foley, Richard Tambling.
Adelaide: Nathan Bock, Bernie Vince, Nathan van Berlo.
Brisbane Lions: Josh Drummond, Jed Adcock, Daniel Merrett
Carlton: Marc Murphy, Eddie Betts, Jarrad Waite.
Collingwood: Dale Thomas, Scott Pendlebury, Travis Cloke, Nick Maxwell.
Essendon: Paddy Ryder, Angus Monfries, Henry Slattery, Andrew Lovett.
Fremantle: Aaron Sandilands, Byron Schammer, Ryan Crowley, Garrick Ibbotson, David Mundy,
Geelong: Gary Ablett, Jimmy Bartel, Steve Johnson, Andrew Mackie.
Hawthorn: Lance Franklin, Jarryd Roughead, Luke Hodge, Brad Sewell, Clinton Young.
Melbourne: Aaron Davey, Brock McLean, Colin Sylvia.
North Melbourne: Daniel Wells, Hamish McIntosh
Port Adelaide: Danyle Pearce, Brett Ebert, Steven Salopek.
St Kilda: Brendon Goddard, Nick Dal Santo, Nick Riewoldt, Sam Fisher, Justin Koschitzke, Sam Gilbert.
Sydney: Jarrad McVeigh, Nick Malceski.
West Coast: Dean Cox, Quinten Lynch, Mark LeCras.
Western Bulldogs: Ryan Griffen, Adam Cooney, Shaun Higgins, Robert Murphy, Daniel Cross, Dale Morris.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25549698-19742,00.html
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You'd hope that a lot of players are loyal.
You put all that time and effort into them only to lose them when they're just about to hit their playing peak.
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7 years is far too soon
Given it takes at least 4 years of development that means the club puts in all the work for not even the same amount of years as a fully developed player
Should be 8 years plus, I liked the idea of 10 years when it was mentioned as it means a player that has been loyal enough to go onto the veterans list (were they old enough) should be able to leave if they want to chase success elsewhere
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This is great for the players, bad for the clubs and competition. This will revert things back to the day when clubs like Collingwood and Carlton used to buy premierships while teams such as Melbourne, Kangaroos and the Dogs will continually lose players to more financially stronger teams.
The reason why the competition is so equal is because of the draft, trade and salary cap. Looks like ones gone now and before long the rest will follow until we end up like the Soccer - same teams up the top of the ladder every year. I just hope we are one of them..... :-\
Stripes
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North won 2 flags thanks to the VFL bringing in free agency for a short period of time in the early 70s - Davis, Wade, Rantall, etc. The Roos were smart and ahead of the pack. You could argue it denied us the '75 flag.
I'm not for it because wealthier clubs can do "VISY" deals to 'legally' get around the salary cap but by 2012 our young group will be hitting their mid 20s together. If we can hold them together through the upcoming GC and WS years we may have room in our salary cap to use it to our advantage.
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North won 2 flags thanks to the VFL bringing in free agency for a short period of time in the early 70s - Davis, Wade, Rantall, etc. The Roos were smart and ahead of the pack. You could argue it denied us the '75 flag.
I'm not for it because wealthier clubs can do "VISY" deals to 'legally' get around the salary cap but by 2012 our young group will be hitting their mid 20s together. If we can hold them together through the upcoming GC and WS years we may have room in our salary cap to use it to our advantage.
That was a 10 year rule than North benefit from MT not a 7 yr rule that is being drawn up now.
It only existed for a few months of 1973. Just long enough for North to entice Barry Davis, John Rantall and Doug Wade and ironically North voted against it when it was being brought in.
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Dead set against free agency simply because being a MLB fan you dee what free agency has doen to that sport. The smaller teams (eg Minnesota, Pittsburgh, Washington) just cannot compete in the market place against the likes of the Yankees, BoSox, Dodgers, Mets etc.
I am Yankees fan and I know they are the chief offender.
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North won 2 flags thanks to the VFL bringing in free agency for a short period of time in the early 70s - Davis, Wade, Rantall, etc. The Roos were smart and ahead of the pack. You could argue it denied us the '75 flag.
I'm not for it because wealthier clubs can do "VISY" deals to 'legally' get around the salary cap but by 2012 our young group will be hitting their mid 20s together. If we can hold them together through the upcoming GC and WS years we may have room in our salary cap to use it to our advantage.
That was a 10 year rule than North benefit from MT not a 7 yr rule that is being drawn up now.
It only existed for a few months of 1973. Just long enough for North to entice Barry Davis, John Rantall and Doug Wade and ironically North voted against it when it was being brought in.
Yeah I know it was the 10 year rule. I was just illustrating a bottom of the ladder club that was smarter than the rest to gain an advantage.
I can't see it working as a 10 year rule now either given the veterans' list and only half their salary contributing to the salary cap. There wouldn't be the incentive to leave unless a player wanted to go home towards the end of his career such as O'Keefe wanting to leave the Swans last year. While 7 years is too soon for a player to walk with no compensation for his old club.
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Free to go after eight years
* Mike Sheahan
* Herald Sun
* February 23, 2010
THE AFL Commission is believed to have set eight years as the qualifying period for the highly contentious free agency for players.
AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou is expected to make the announcement to club presidents and chief executives at a meeting in Melbourne today.
Free agency is expected to take effect in the 2012 post-season draft.
The plan ends several years of negotiations between the AFL and the AFL Players' Association, and must be seen as a victory for the AFLPA.
Gary Ablett Jr and Luke Hodge already meet the eight-year qualification, but clubs with players of similar ilk in 2012 are expected to have the right to make a matching offer.
Clubs will be disappointed with the term, most hoping for a qualifying period of at least nine years and possibly 10.
The sop to the clubs will be in the form of tougher qualifications for the elite players.
The commission is believed to have reached its decision yesterday, but offered nothing to the media, indicating the sensitivity of the issue.
Clubs that lose players to free agency are likely to be compensated with draft choices, although it is not known whether those choices would come from the recipient club or the draft pool.
Free agency will be introduced after the establishment of Gold Coast and Greater Western Sydney, which will enjoy a modified form of free agency in the next two years.
For years seen as inevitable, the concept has emerged slowly, given it is such a marked departure from tradition.
Yet it is going to cause much grief in the early years.
A lot of rich young men are going to be richer as a result. Whether they stay or go.
Guess who completes eight seasons in 2012? Buddy Franklin for one.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/free-to-go-after-eight-years/story-e6frf9jf-1225833211887
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Tigers who would meet the criteria in 2012 (ie. everyone from the 2004 draft and the drafts preceeding it)
Newman
Moore
Foley
Jackson
Tuck
Deledio
Tambling
Polo
McGuane
Thursfield
Simmonds (most likely retired by 2012)
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We're in trouble then if we haven't improved.
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I'd have preferred it to be 9-10 years, but I don't think 8 is so bad. I would also prefer that they lower the requirements for a "veteran" to purely be 10 years at the same club, or if there must be an age also then make it 28. That way the club can counter offer the salary from the club chasing a player with the carrot of only half their salary counting towards TPP in 1-2 years time. That way they can match the salary being offered if they stick around. In fact if a player can play well into his 30s, then the "veteran" salary benefits would most likely be even better than if they swapped clubs.
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We're in trouble then if we haven't improved.
Perhaps then again free agency might actually help us improve.
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A good start, but there shouldn't be any year limit - if you serve your initial contract, you should be free to go, like in any other walk of life.
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We're in trouble then if we haven't improved.
Perhaps then again free agency might actually help us improve.
This could be very much the case. One thing we still haven't lost is our strong supporter base and potential to be extremely financially viable. Once we start to put a strong list together, even if we were to lose a player or too, we could buy some stars to cover the deficencies we have in the team at that stage.
Teams which are on the cusp are unlikely to lose many players whereas under performing teams (lets hope we have shaked that tag by that stage) or teams beginning to descend after years of success are likely to be pilfered heavily such as Geelong will be in the next few years.
I just hope it doesn't turn into the trade fest it was when we swapped stars with Collingwood all those years a go a which hurt both clubs. Teams such as Collingwood, West Coast, Adelaide, Carlton and Essendon will benefit most from this new development.
I guess just wait and see..
Stripes
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Being a Major League Baseball fan and seeing what it has done in that sport I am disappointed. Sad day for footy IMV
I am Yankees fan and they exploit free agency like no other team but that doesn't mean I like it.
As a result of FA in the MLB smaller teams like Pittsburgh, Minnesota, Tampa Bay and Washington to name a few lose players for nothing after nuturing them through their "farm systems" into the Majors over 10 odd year period. Granted there isn't any salary cap in the MLB but free agency hasn't been a good thing for Baseball although the players will tell you it has...
I just hope the AFL & AFLPA get this right because they run the risk of alienating fans
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It will ensure that at least 1 club will fold within 10 years. Worst day for football in a long long time. The follow on will be the players choosing their new club midway through the season as per the NRL. Sad day for football.
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Well it's officially here....
Eligibility for free agency
(http://www.afl.com.au/portals/0/afl_docs/eligibility_free_agency.jpg)
Under the agreement:
• Players delisted by a club on or before 31 October will be unrestricted free agents.
• Players who are not in the top 25 per cent of salaries at their clubs will be eligible for unrestricted free agency if they have served eight years on the primary list of the club.
• Players who are in the top 25 per cent of salaries at their club will be eligible for restricted free agency for their first new contract after they have served eight years on the primary list of the club. This is the case regardless of when the first new contract arises. For example, a player who is contracted after his seventh year for two, three, four or years will still only be eligible for restricted free agency for his next contracts as a nine, 10, or 11 year player.
• A top 25 per cent player will then be eligible for unrestricted free agency for his next contract, provided that a player can’t be an unrestricted free agent until completing at least 10 years service at one clubs.
• Restricted free agents have the right to move to a club of their choice subject to the current club’s right of first refusal over their services. That is, if the current club can match the offer from a rival club, the player must stay or enter the draft. The tabled offer only includes capped salary and capped ASA amounts.
• Compensation in the form of AFL allocated draft picks will apply to clubs with a net loss of free agents. This will be based on a formula to be determined by the AFL.
• The Veterans List allowance will be amended to apply to players with 10 years service at one club and will be based on a set amount of TPP per player calculated as a percentage of TPP.
• The AFL will closely monitor access to uncapped third party independent arrangements.
• All player investments with associates must be lodged with the AFL.
The new system will commence at the end of 2012 after the entry of Team GWS into the competition, and will remain in place until reviewed at the end of 2016.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/89810/default.aspx
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HOW THE NEW FREE AGENCY SYSTEM WILL WORK
1. A player has served seven seasons or less of AFL football at one club, and is now out of contract.
The player is not eligible for free agency if his club wishes to retain him. He may only move clubs via a trade or the Draft. If he delists himself, he is subject to the Draft, and may be selected by any club.
2. A player has served seven seasons or less of AFL football at one club, and has been delisted by his club.
The player is a Free Agent and is eligible to field offers from all rival AFL clubs.
The player must decide on the best offer of his choice from one rival club.
The player can move AUTOMATICALLY to the new club of his choice.
His original club, which chose to delist him, does not receive any compensation pick for the loss of the player.
3. A player has served eight or more seasons of AFL football at one club, is one of the 10 highest-paid players at his club, and is now out of contract for the first time since reaching eight seasons of service.
The player is eligible to field offers from all rival AFL clubs.
If he wishes to change clubs, the player must decide on the best offer of his choice from one rival club.
His club has the right to match the presented offer.
If the club matches the offer, he may choose to remain with his original club, seek a trade or enter the Draft.
If the club does not or can not match the offer, the player can move to the new club of his choice.
His original club will receive a compensation pick for the loss of the player, on an AFL-determined formula to apply where clubs lose more free agents than they gain in any single transfer period.
4. A player has served eight or more seasons of AFL football at one club, is NOT one of the 10 highest-paid players at his club, and is now out of contract for the first time since reaching eight seasons of service.
The player is eligible to field offers from all rival AFL clubs.
If he wishes to change clubs, the player must decide on the best offer of his choice from one rival club.
His club does NOT have the right to match the presented offer, and the player can move AUTOMATICALLY to the new club of his choice.
His original club will receive a compensation pick for the loss of the player, on an AFL-determined formula.
5. A player has served ten or more seasons of AFL football at one club, has already come out of contract once in the period after serving his first eight or more seasons at his club, and is now out of contract.
The player is eligible to field offers from all rival clubs.
If he wishes to change clubs, the player must decide on the best offer of his choice from one rival club.
His club does NOT have the right to match the presented offer, and the player can move AUTOMATICALLY to the new club of his choice.
His original club will receive a compensation pick for the loss of the player, on an AFL-determined formula.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/89809/default.aspx
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Given the veterans list rules have been amended to 10 years at a club with no age restriction, I don't think its that much of an issue.
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Time will tell.
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Tigers who would meet the criteria in 2012 (ie. everyone from the 2004 draft and the drafts preceeding it)
Newman
Moore
Foley
Jackson
Tuck
Deledio
Tambling
Polo
McGuane
Thursfield
Simmonds (most likely retired by 2012)
It may sound harsh but apart from Lids there's not too many listed there that would be a big loss. Add the fact our 2005 draft was a disaster we're actually not too bad off for the first two years of free agency in regards to the threat of losing players thanks to our own past inept recruiting :-\.
Hopefully we are showing signs of being a side on the up by the end of 2012 and a classy player still in his prime from a club whose premiership window has shut may see us as an attractive club to move to.
The only real neg I have is I would still like to know how the AFL plans to prevent wealthier clubs from offering more dodgy "VISY" deals to bypass the salary cap and use free agency to poach poorer club's better players.
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Tigers who would meet the criteria in 2012 (ie. everyone from the 2004 draft and the drafts preceeding it)
Newman
Moore
Foley
Jackson
Tuck
Deledio
Tambling
Polo
McGuane
Thursfield
Simmonds (most likely retired by 2012)
i can see Deledio walking out!
:)
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i can see Deledio walking out!
Rubbish. :P
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i can see Deledio walking out!
Rubbish. :P
we shall see in 2012!
:)
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The Age has a list of current players who will be eligible for free agency in 2012.....
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/free-agency-for-quarter-of-lists-20100223-p0q3.html
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Tigers who would meet the criteria in 2012 (ie. everyone from the 2004 draft and the drafts preceeding it)
Newman
Moore
Foley
Jackson
Tuck
Deledio
Tambling
Polo
McGuane
Thursfield
Simmonds (most likely retired by 2012)
It may sound harsh but apart from Lids there's not too many listed there that would be a big loss. Add the fact our 2005 draft was a disaster we're actually not too bad off for the first two years of free agency in regards to the threat of losing players thanks to our own past inept recruiting :-\.
Hopefully we are showing signs of being a side on the up by the end of 2012 and a classy player still in his prime from a club whose premiership window has shut may see us as an attractive club to move to.
The only real neg I have is I would still like to know how the AFL plans to prevent wealthier clubs from offering more dodgy "VISY" deals to bypass the salary cap and use free agency to poach poorer club's better players.
May be the case now MT, but hopefully in two years time some of those players will have got to a stage where they would be a loss. Otherwise we may still be languishing at the butt end of the ladder.
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What they said: clubs react to free agency
afl.com.au
Wed 24 February, 2010
RICHMOND
Chief executive Brendon Gale said the Tigers looked forward to capitalising on its opportunities within the new framework.
"This is a positive and fair outcome for the industry. The agreement strikes a balance between recognising the right of players to have more control over the direction of their football careers, while also recognising the AFL’s legitimate interest in maintaining high levels of competitive balance. Both the AFL and AFLPA should be commended on this win/win deal.
"Many would be aware that in my previous role as CEO of the AFL Players’ Association, I was a strong advocate for free agency. When I departed the AFLPA to take over as Richmond’s CEO in September 2009, there already was a meeting of minds between the AFL and AFLPA on the broader principles underpinning free agency. Therefore, it was my understanding that it would only be a matter of months before the arrangements were finally negotiated and settled.
"When my move back to Tigerland took place, my thoughts immediately turned to ensuring the club was well placed to not only deal with the advent of free agency, but to flourish under the system."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/89845/default.aspx
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i can see Deledio walking out!
:)
I can't see him walking
Actually I don't see anyone on the list walking out in 2012
Will they all be there - doubtful but I don't think any will walk ;D
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LMAO At Dildio.
Sooki lala=gawn.
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The Age has a list of current players who will be eligible for free agency in 2012.....
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/free-agency-for-quarter-of-lists-20100223-p0q3.html
how many were on that list. i counted at least 109 who were 29 or older. an awful lot will be retired and i cant see to many clubs paying big bickies for players past their best with limited time left in the game.
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LMAO At Dildio.
Sooki lala=gawn.
He's still the best sooki lala we've got.
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We have never succeeded in the draft systems of the AFL. Our successes came from Free Agency recruiting. And so it will be again. The aim is to target 25 and 26 year olds who still have 5 years maybe 6 left in footy. Pick of 1 or 2 a year and you can do well in the new systems.
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Agree Ramps you target 25-26 year olds. IMO free agency would be more useful in finding a mature ruckmen. Whereas a midfielder could only have a couple of prime years left in him (short-term fix), a mid-20s ruckman would just be entering his peak and barring injury could play for another 5-6 years into his early 30s. Decent ruckmen aren't easy to find as we know as most are raw at 18 when they are drafted. Free agency might be the way to completing the list puzzle for 2013. A 25-26 ruckman would fit in with our list by then and if you look at the top 4 sides now they've all traded for experienced ruckmen - Ottens, Gardiner, King, Hudson and Jolly.
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We have never succeeded in the draft systems of the AFL. Our successes came from Free Agency recruiting. And so it will be again.
A flawed observation Ramps. Our successes came in the days prior to the salary cap when the club with the biggest purse usually won. No such luxury this time unless we can find a few benefactors to set up 'Visy' deals.
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Well are positioned under this system to flourish
We pay barely the 92.5% of the salary cap, and we have 1 A grade footballer, Deledio
Benny Gale was responsible ( largely) for vetoing this new system before he left. He knows more about how to expolit the system, while protecting our interests than any other administrator in the AFL. I look forward to the opportunities that will come to us, and with Blair Hartley on board, whose job desciption involves analysisng oppoistion lists, you can all rest assured that we are well placed ATM, and with very little to lose and a heap to gain. ;)
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Well are positioned under this system to flourish
We pay barely the 92.5% of the salary cap, and we have 1 A grade footballer, Deledio
Benny Gale was responsible ( largely) for vetoing this new system before he left. He knows more about how to expolit the system, while protecting our interests than any other administrator in the AFL. I look forward to the opportunities that will come to us, and with Blair Hartley on board, whose job desciption involves analysisng oppoistion lists, you can all rest assured that we are well placed ATM, and with very little to lose and a heap to gain. ;)
Now thats the correct attitude. Ive been hearing to much bull lately that this will be the end of Richmond and how stuffed we are. Our administrators need to start preparing the change and to make it work to our advantage. Im confident that this will give our club some good opportunities.
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Yep the more proactive clubs who move with the new times will benefit the most. We as a club have not lead the way probably since the late 60s. Here's an opportunity if we are smart to gain an advantage. Free agency doesn't come in for another 3 footy seasons so there's no excuse for us not to plan and be prepared to act. Hopefully onfield we will be a more attractive club to come to be then too.
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This applies to all existing clubs in the face of free agency and the two new clubs .....
Cats working on strategy for AFL's new era
The Age, March 5, 2010
GEELONG will overhaul its recruiting strategy to cope with the impending arrival of the two expansion clubs and free agency.
After Gold Coast's AFL debut next year, Western Sydney will join the competition in 2012 and the league will introduce free agency.
''We just have to look at the way we do business, because it's a big change in the rules of the game … free agency and two new teams in three years,'' Thompson said. ''It's just huge, it's going to have consequences on the quality of players you can get, how you contract players and how you do business.
''We're doing a lot of work in planning and coming up with blueprint on how we want to go forward.''
''We've been a club that has traditionally recruited and developed our own players,'' he said.
''But in saying that, if you get some players walking out on you after eight years of service, we might be forced to change the way we do business and look at another way of doing it, and that's by getting some ready-made players from other clubs.
Adelaide coach Neil Craig has said a club's environment will become even more important as it becomes harder to retain players.
But Thompson warns that the forces of change might be stronger than the pull of club loyalty. ''If you can't service your players with what they require out of the game, I would think even the best of people in the best of clubs will probably still get some movement of players …
''Those two new clubs will have a huge amount of incentives, just massive incentives.''
Full article at:
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/cats-working-on-strategy-for-afls-new-era-20100304-plre.html
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Free agency .. i have a rough idea on what it is but can you guys help me out?
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http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/89809/default.aspx
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IMO- Free Agency is RFCs best chance of getting out of the current malaise and disastrous road that we have embarked on for 3 decades.
IMHO Richmond should start to really cut salaries as as possible and have as much salary cap room available as possible and head into Free Agency with a big chequebook!
How much money would
Ben Cousins
Troy Simmonds
Jordan McMahon
Shane Tuck and
Daniel Jackson
Will Thursfield
Kelvin Moore
would be on - Id suggest those 7 players combined would take up approximately $1.5 to $1.8 million maybe even a touch more- a year at least! IMO-these players arent the future but they would be on decent packets. The money should be used to try and get 2 or 3 senior quality players when free Agency comes in. In the meantime Hardwick should stick to the youth policy!
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Hunt is on as free agency nears
Mark Stevens
Herald Sun
May 06, 2010
RICHMOND has employed a "poacher" to scour rival lists for recruiting opportunities.
Well aware that the next two national drafts will be compromised, former Port Adelaide recruiter Blair Hartley has been given the task of hunting mature-age players.
The Tigers, paying close to the minimum 92.5 per cent of the salary cap, have plenty of room to move in future seasons, with free agency arriving in 2012.
Richmond chief executive Brendon Gale yesterday confirmed Hartley's full-time "opposition analyst" role was more focused on rival lists than tactics.
"He (Hartley) is building up his knowledge and intelligence around the composition of lists and all the players with a view to making some informed choices as the labour market becomes a little more flexible," Gale said.
"One of the key advantages of having worked with the AFL Players' Association when I came here was I knew free agency was coming in, apart from being formalised.
"Your recruiting staff basically look at the under-age pathways. Sometimes it's those other pathways that get overlooked.
"So Blair will be looking at existing club lists. He will be dedicated to looking at these opportunities 100 per cent of the time."
Richmond is faced with a massive challenge to rebuild in the next two years, with the new Gold Coast and Greater Western Sydney teams taking the bulk of the prized draft picks.
Even the AFL's chief executive Andrew Demetriou has taken to commenting on the tough road ahead.
"They'll have to be aggressive in their recruitment, in their trading," Demetriou told a business lunch yesterday.
Gale is adamant Richmond is still an appealing destination for players, with new "cutting edge" training facilities at Punt Rd due to open in November.
"It's about creating an environment where players don't want to leave, but moreover they want to come," Gale said.
"I'd assert that, despite where we are on the ladder, we're an attractive proposition now. Regardless of what people say, we're a great club.
"We have a great history of success and we play in the greatest stadium and we average 41,000 people.
"We're having a tough time on the field, but we expected that. Already, we're starting to see some really green shoots."
Richmond has 40,771 members (36,000 fully ticketed) and is pleased to be so close to its target of 42,000 despite a horror 0-6 start to the season.
"The greatest thing about our footy club is our members," Gale said.
"You have a new coach trying to coach a new game plan and it doesn't happen overnight. We had 14 new players and 16 capable of debuting this year.
"I think any informed Richmond supporter wouldn't have expected us to be belting the lights out of the opposition.
"They've endorsed the action we're taking."
Gale defended the club's decision to have an extensive clean-out at the end of last season.
"We lost nearly 1400 games of experience in (Matthew) Richardson, (Joel) Bowden, (Kane) Johnson, (Mark) Coughlan and (Nathan) Brown," Gale said.
"The first question we needed to ask was, 'Were those players going to be part of the next premiership?' and the answer was probably not.
"We had to go to the last uncompromised draft and get as many picks as we could, and we did that.
"Dustin Martin and David Astbury have really impressed.
"Ben Nason was last pick in national draft ... that's the way you make up ground. Nason's been really impressive - good balance; great user of the footy."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/hunt-is-on-as-free-agency-nears/story-e6frf9ix-1225862763723
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Big free agency bucks won't tempt Tigers
Jon Ralph
Herald Sun
February 03, 2011
RICHMOND star Brett Deledio says the club's young stars are determined to build a dynasty at Punt Rd and ignore the lure of free agency and cashed-up rivals.
Deledio will be in the first batch of players who could take advantage of free agency, but said yesterday he was determined to finish his career at Richmond.
He comes out of contract next year when Greater Western Sydney still has access to out-of-contract players.
But he will join young stars Jack Riewoldt and Dustin Martin in rejecting massive offers elsewhere.
Richmond has not played finals since 2001, but Deledio believes the new culture of togetherness under Damien Hardwick means the improving group will stay together.
"If we can get guys like Jack and Dustin to commit to the club . . . it makes other guys think if they are staying, maybe we are starting to build something here," Deledio said.
"That is what we are trying to achieve. I would love to be a one-club player. I said it as soon as I was drafted. Free agency is coming in but I don't even understand it too much."
Deledio will join rival stars, including Hawthorn's Lance Franklin and Jarryd Roughead, who will have played eight years at their club by free agency's inception in late 2012.
Under free agency, clubs will be able to match rival offers to secure marquee players, but that is unlikely to be a concern for Deledio.
"Dimma has created a culture here where blokes want to be around the club," Deledio said.
"He has made it a family club so you are not scared to bring your girlfriend along to an after-match function, and because we are all so young and much the same age, it makes it a lot easier. You can feel it around the place. There is no top echelon. Everyone is moving to try to achieve the same thing together."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/big-free-agency-bucks-wont-tempt-tigers/story-e6frf9mx-1225999112155
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Richmond coach Damien Hardwick says club wants to land big fish under free agency
* Al Paton
* From: Herald Sun
* February 10, 2011 3:42PM
RICHMOND coach Damien Hardwick says wiping the club's debt will put the Tigers in a position to nab a big fish when free agency begins next year.
As revealed in the Herald Sun this morning, The Tigers today announced their Fighting Tiger Fun which aims to raise $6 million from fans to clear the club's debt and build the football department.
Hardwick said Richmond had not been able to compete with the offers of other clubs when stars such as Chris Judd had come on the market.
Next year players will have more freedom to move between clubs, and the Tigers hope to be building a young list towards becoming a top-four challenger.
Hardwick said the money raised through the fund would allow the club to retain its stars by paying 100 per cent of its salary cap, and create a "war chest" to recruit the best available talent.
"We can go out and hunt the best players, so that if Chris Judd does become available again, Richmond are well and truly in the market," he told the AFL website.
"From our point of view, it's not only about retaining our list but it's also about engaging in free agency when it comes in.
"By investing in our footy department or the club in general, we are looking to be really active in that market - so not only can Greater Western Sydney exploit some loopholes and some rules but we are looking to be pro-active in that market, too."
Richmond chief executive Brendon Gale said the fundraising push would allow the Tigers to once again be the biggest club in the AFL.
"We've been the biggest club, on and off the field in any measure. But the facts are, we are not now. We have surrendered that.
"But that is in the past. It's about the future and what that tells us is we have the capacity to get there again if we make the get the right people, make the right decisions at the right times and we have the money to invest at the right time.
"I'm confident if we get those things in place and we tick those boxes, we can be the best. After all, that's what we're all about, but it's going to take time."
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-coach-damien-hardwick-says-club-wants-to-land-big-fish-under-free-agency/story-e6freck3-1226003801963
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Does anybody else get the feeling that we might actually be after Scully? $$$$
He and his family are mad RFC supporters!
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Does anybody else get the feeling that we might actually be after Scully? $$$$
He and his family are mad RFC supporters!
Maybe. Certainly wouldn't discount it but don't see the bargaining power myself.
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Does anybody else get the feeling that we might actually be after Scully? $$$$
He and his family are mad RFC supporters!
yep i have that feeling
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Scully won't be able to come to us via free agency. The player needs to have been at their previous club for 8 years. The 2004 draftees (Deledio's draft) will be the youngest ones that can be affected by this rule when it comes into effect (end of 2012).
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Does anybody else get the feeling that we might actually be after Scully? $$$$
He and his family are mad RFC supporters!
YES.
I've been thinking this ever since he stalled.
He is a massive Tiger and the little hints by Hardwick "we could get a player like Judd".
I think Scully is doing a Kane Johnson.
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Mate it must wear u out posting similar stuff on here and pre. Abandon that circus and let us be the sole beneficiaries of your wisdom
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Mate it must wear u out posting similar stuff on here and pre. Abandon that circus and let us be the sole beneficiaries of your wisdom
Was that sarcasm? :laugh:
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Mate it must wear u out posting similar stuff on here and pre. Abandon that circus and let us be the sole beneficiaries of your wisdom
Was that sarcasm? :laugh:
no way mate, no way! stay with us, burn those bozos
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Does anybody else get the feeling that we might actually be after Scully? $$$$
He and his family are mad RFC supporters!
mad is an understatement, rabid more likely...expect them to be front and square at gala dinner March 17th for official opening of Punt rd :shh
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Scully won't be able to come to us via free agency. The player needs to have been at their previous club for 8 years. The 2004 draftees (Deledio's draft) will be the youngest ones that can be affected by this rule when it comes into effect (end of 2012).
Actually it's 6 years when they become a restricted free agent, which means if their club can't match our offer then the come to us
It's after 8 years that there is unrestricted free agency where a player can just go to its club of choice. The thing in the original clubs favour is that only 2 more years later they will become eligible to be a veteran, which is has salary cap benefits to pay them more.
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Scully won't be able to come to us via free agency. The player needs to have been at their previous club for 8 years. The 2004 draftees (Deledio's draft) will be the youngest ones that can be affected by this rule when it comes into effect (end of 2012).
Actually it's 6 years when they become a restricted free agent, which means if their club can't match our offer then the come to us
It's after 8 years that there is unrestricted free agency where a player can just go to its club of choice. The thing in the original clubs favour is that only 2 more years later they will become eligible to be a veteran, which is has salary cap benefits to pay them more.
So by the end of 2012 Lids will be a veteran having played eight seasons and we can have salary cap benefits.
Smart thinking is keep player till 5 years. Give them a three year contract and then let the salary cap benefits do their thing. :thumbsup
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Scully won't be able to come to us via free agency. The player needs to have been at their previous club for 8 years. The 2004 draftees (Deledio's draft) will be the youngest ones that can be affected by this rule when it comes into effect (end of 2012).
Actually it's 6 years when they become a restricted free agent, which means if their club can't match our offer then the come to us
It's after 8 years that there is unrestricted free agency where a player can just go to its club of choice. The thing in the original clubs favour is that only 2 more years later they will become eligible to be a veteran, which is has salary cap benefits to pay them more.
So by the end of 2012 Lids will be a veteran having played eight seasons and we can have salary cap benefits.
Smart thinking is keep player till 5 years. Give them a three year contract and then let the salary cap benefits do their thing. :thumbsup
No its 10 years on a list to be a veteran, pretty sure they got rid of the age restriction
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Looking at some free agency candidates (drafted 2004 and earlier). Not too many Vics at interstate clubs once you take away the oldies from Swans and Lions.
Adelaide
Brent Reilly 12/11/83
Chris Knights 25/09/86
Ivan Maric 04/01/86
Brisbane
Jed Adcock 15/11/85
Jonathan Brown 29/10/81
Luke Power 08/01/80
Fremantle
Ryan Crowley 05/03/84
David Mundy 20/07/85
Port Adelaide
Troy Chaplin 23/02/86
Steven Salopek 21/06/85
Sydney
Jarred Moore 06/03/86
Nick Malceski 15/08/84
Jude Bolton 15/03/80
Adam Goodes 08/01/80
Ryan O'Keefe 24/01/81
West Coast
Matt Rosa 23/11/86
Adam Selwood 01/05/84
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Why do they have to be Victorian and why do they have to play for an interstate club? ???
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Nick Malceski stands out for me, great left foot.
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We've already had a go at Chris Knights and David Mundy. I wonder if the interest is still there?
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Chris Knights please*
*Assuming he doesnt get re-injured.
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Why do they have to be Victorian and why do they have to play for an interstate club? ???
It doesn't have to be but they are possibly more likely to move given the chance to 'go home'. You're right though it can be anyone from any club provided they were drafted in 2004 or earlier.
Out of those names Chaplin would help our structure and spine the most. Chaplin at FB and Astbury at CHB wouldn't be a bad combo in our backline. Skill and run-wise I like Reilly the best.
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Does anybody else think we could lose some players like Deledio or Reiwoldt with free agency. They might be targets for a Carlton or the Swans who could almost guarantee finals, where as we cannot.
Free agency will mean the desirable clubs will get the players, Collingwood, Carlton, Essendon, West Coast or clubs in premiership mode, the dogs and rich clubs like Adelaide. Why would anyone sane want to come to Richmond UNTIL we have demonstrated the ability to play finals.
I sure as heck wouldn't if I was a mature player, as a mature player I would want to play finals, and make sure the club I went to had good medical, a good head coach and training facilities. At least we have a new training facility but our medical has been diabolical for years and who really knows about Hardwick yet, seems good enough so far but not stellar like Dennis Pagan was or Paul Roos first up.
I think if free agency comes in within the next few years we will lose more star players than gain because we are not as desirable as other clubs. Anyone we get will likely be average, or average to good, unlikely to be a star.
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Does anybody else think we could lose some players like Deledio or Reiwoldt with free agency. They might be targets for a Carlton or the Swans who could almost guarantee finals, where as we cannot.
Free agency will mean the desirable clubs will get the players, Collingwood, Carlton, Essendon, West Coast or clubs in premiership mode, the dogs and rich clubs like Adelaide. Why would anyone sane want to come to Richmond UNTIL we have demonstrated the ability to play finals.
I sure as heck wouldn't if I was a mature player, as a mature player I would want to play finals, and make sure the club I went to had good medical, a good head coach and training facilities. At least we have a new training facility but our medical has been diabolical for years and who really knows about Hardwick yet, seems good enough so far but not stellar like Dennis Pagan was or Paul Roos first up.
I think if free agency comes in within the next few years we will lose more star players than gain because we are not as desirable as other clubs. Anyone we get will likely be average, or average to good, unlikely to be a star.
Jack is too young to be a free agent. Lids can be as he wa drafted in 2004 but hopefully he's signed up and we're playing finals by then. He could even be captain for all we know in 2 years time.
Lids, McGuane, Thursty, Foley, Jacko, Tucky, Moore and Newy will be the only possible free agents at Punt Rd. Lids and possibly a Foley (in pre-injury form) would be the only two of those we'd be desperate to hang onto. Having such a young list and the failure of the 2004 and 05 drafts :P keeps us fairly immune from free agency for the first few years of it.
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scully or a really good defender :thumbsup
and maby some of GC's new boys? :thumbsup :thumbsup
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long time before they become available under free agency TTID
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oh bumber !!
what about some saints players? their team will surely torn apart due to recent events (not the naughty ones) :)
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AFL powerhouses set to swoop when free agency starts
Jon Ralph
From: Herald Sun
April 13, 2011
COLLINGWOOD says it is determined to become the big winner from free agency's introduction next year and extend a potential era of dominance.
As free agency's introduction nears, the Pies are among a handful of clubs hoping to steal a march on the rest of the competition.
Collingwood chief executive Gary Pert said he was confident the Pies would flourish with increased player movement.
Collingwood has been able to acquire Luke Ball, Andrew Krakouer, Chris Tarrant and Darren Jolly in recent years despite the AFL's trade and draft restrictions.
Pert believes the club's strong football department spending and strong culture strengthens the Pies' ability to bargain.
"The whole concept of free agency fundamentally changes the dynamics of the industry," he said.
"I won't anticipate which clubs will be the winners and losers, but it makes sense the clubs who have their cultures right, their total football club cultures, will be the ones who will benefit," he said.
"What we can control are the elements we put in place, so every player wants to play at Collingwood.
"We have had a strategy that says we want to have the best player group, the best coaches, the best facility, the best financial stability and let's not give any player a reason within our control to say they would want to leave Collingwood."
At the end of next year players of the calibre of Nick Dal Santo, James Kelly, Steve Johnson, Jarrad Waite and Sam Mitchell will be able to leave their clubs for nothing.
They will have served 10 years at their clubs and under free-agency rules their existing sides will get only a draft pick for compensation.
Also eligible to move clubs under the free-agency rules will be eight and nine-year stars such as Adam Cooney, Colin Sylvia, Heath Shaw, Sam Fisher and Brett Deledio.
But unlike 10-year veterans, their clubs will have the opportunity to match any offers from rival teams.
Carlton captain Chris Judd recently underlined the problem facing minnows hoping to lure stars.
He said he only considered playing at a big Melbourne club with big football department spending.
It is why Melbourne and Richmond are desperate to lift investment in their football departments and build war chests for free agency's introduction.
Clubs with poor on-field results and lower football spending may be left vulnerable by the powerhouses.
Richmond chief executive Brendon Gale said yesterday the club was desperate to clear its debt and increase football department spending so it could be a contender.
"We are not fearful. We think it's fair and reasonable," he said.
"Part of our Fighting Tiger fund is about putting us in a position to retain players and go into the market for others.
"No bulging bank balance is a substitute for making great decisions.
"In sports around the world there are clubs with a lack of resources, but you need to make good decisions."
Melbourne chief executive Cameron Schwab said two years ago the club's run-down facilities ruled out chasing stars.
Judd was wooed away from Junction Oval and quickly overlooked the Demons.
Schwab hopes the Demons will be active in free agency after pre-paying massive sums in recent years.
"There is a threat there because it opens your club's list up, but it's an opportunity you have to embrace," Schwab said.
"There is no question Melbourne would have been at a disadvantage in previous years because we had to present ourselves to players without taking them to our venue, but what we present now is as good as any club."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-powerhouses-set-to-swoop-when-free-agency-starts/story-e6frf9jf-1226038080297
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Richmond chief executive Brendon Gale said yesterday the club was desperate to clear its debt and increase football department spending so it could be a contender.
And yet there's 0 quotes to support this. Makes us seem pathetic.
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Carlton captain Chris Judd recently underlined the problem facing minnows hoping to lure stars.
He said he only considered playing at a big Melbourne club with big football department spending.
So why did he chose Carlton ??? WHo weren't spending big in footy when he joined :-\ ;)
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Richmond chief executive Brendon Gale said yesterday the club was desperate to clear its debt and increase football department spending so it could be a contender.
And yet there's 0 quotes to support this. Makes us seem pathetic.
What?
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Great to hear what other strategies/events the club plans to help improve this 'warchest'.
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Collingwood seem to forget that there would be some that would never play for the Skunks no matter what. The "we are more important" attitude just dont go down well with many poeple and it would be fair to sugest there would be the same pecentage of Players that would feel that way.
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Carlton captain Chris Judd recently underlined the problem facing minnows hoping to lure stars.
He said he only considered playing at a big Melbourne club with big football department spending.
So why did he chose Carlton ??? WHo weren't spending big in footy when he joined :-\ ;)
The sweetener was his highly paid ambassadorial role at Visy.
Melbourne were offering him a part time typists job at the club helping Paul McNamee two days a week.
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I read this article a while ago and was very concerned when I saw Brett Deledio's name mentioned.
I was then more concerned when I read Mick Sheeans article about Deledio not showing his true class because he is in an average side. His comments were also backed up by Richo and Nathan Brown.
I really hope that Delidio does not leave the club but gee, the temptation is going to be high, especially with our own ex players more or less encouraging him to leave...
Watch this spot..
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Not unless we are successful at the time WAT. That's the key to not only keeping our stars but luring stars from other teams :thumbsup
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I read this article a while ago and was very concerned when I saw Brett Deledio's name mentioned.
I was then more concerned when I read Mick Sheeans article about Deledio not showing his true class because he is in an average side. His comments were also backed up by Richo and Nathan Brown.
I really hope that Delidio does not leave the club but gee, the temptation is going to be high, especially with our own ex players more or less encouraging him to leave...
Watch this spot..
Well seeing his contracted for another 2 years I don't think there's too much to worry about right now
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I read this article a while ago and was very concerned when I saw Brett Deledio's name mentioned.
I was then more concerned when I read Mick Sheeans article about Deledio not showing his true class because he is in an average side. His comments were also backed up by Richo and Nathan Brown.
I really hope that Delidio does not leave the club but gee, the temptation is going to be high, especially with our own ex players more or less encouraging him to leave...
Watch this spot..
Well seeing his contracted for another 2 years I don't think there's too much to worry about right now
Yeah I suppose, forgot about that contact thing... It will still be a worry though. They may have to make him Captain to keep him!!
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Not unless we are successful at the time WAT. That's the key to not only keeping our stars but luring stars from other teams :thumbsup
Yeah being that it is 2 years away TB I agree and hey we should be playing finals in 2 years in all honesty. Lke you said too, luring players from other clubs would be great!!
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The Club has made it known we'll be targetting free agents big time with Blair Hartley hired for this purpose. Here's the latest outline of the details....
Free agency details close
Jake Niall
June 16, 2011
The AFL has all but finalised the final detail of the free-agency system that will be introduced next year, having reached agreement with the players on how to define which players are "protected" or restricted free agents.
The question of how clubs would have to "match" an offer and thus retain a player who was a restricted free agent was another sticking point that has been resolved, with the AFL deciding that the club must match the offer on the precise terms as the club that is trying to recruit him.
Under the agreement, if a rival club offered an eligible player $300,000 in the first year and $800,000 in the second year, the club with the player would have to pay him those exact sums, but it would be allowed to spread the payments evenly for salary cap purposes and to avoid rorting by the suitor.
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The AFL recognised that there was potential for clubs to manipulate the system — and the salary cap — by making the contract offer to a free agent very high in one year and much lower in another.
There is also an agreement that, to be ranked in a club's top 10 paid players and thus qualify as a restricted free agent (after eight years' service), the ranking of what a player is paid will be based on guaranteed money only, not incentives.
One of the only hold-ups to announcing the historic free-agency agreement is the veteran's rule — designed as an incentive for clubs to retain older players — which has to be settled.
Most of the broad outline of the free-agency system was agreed early last year. The following is a summary of how it will work:
■ The AFL will release the names of those players who are eligible to be restricted free agents before the start of each season, starting next year. Those players will have a minimum of eight years' service, be coming out of contract and will rank in their club's top 10 players (or 25 per cent) in terms of pay. In effect, the public will find how which of its players with eight years' service are ranked in their payments ladder.
■ Players who have 10 years' service are unrestricted free agents and can cross to the club of their choice, with their club unable to stop them leaving if they wish. But the veteran's rule — which will permit clubs to pay each player with 10 years' service about $100,000 that doesn't count in the salary cap — will act as a disincentive for 10-year players walking.
■ Compensation will be on more or less the same formula for compensating clubs that lose players to the Gold Coast (last year) and Greater Western Sydney (this year and next). Crucially, clubs that gain a free agent will not give up a draft pick — that pick will come from a central pool, with the AFL determining the value of the player via criteria such as the age of the player, the amount of his contract offer and achievements such as best and fairest finishes and all-Australian selection.
■ Compensation will be based on the "net" outcome. If a club loses a player, but gains one of equivalent worth, then it will not receive any draft pick. But if it was to lose a player of Lance Franklin's worth and gained only a journeyman, then it would receive a draft pick, in accordance with the compensation formula.
■ The compensation is based on what happens over more than one season. Thus, if Richmond lost Brett Deledio next year, but picked up a lesser player the next year, then it wouldn't get a pick until at least 12 months after Deledio left.
■ The list of players eligible for free agency will be released on the basis on what they are paid — a significant step in transparency of player payments (though amounts aren't disclosed). But invariably, many of the top 10 paid players will not be on that list, because they aren't eligible. Cyril Rioli, for instance, should be in Hawthorn's top 10 by then, but he isn't eligible for free agency because he has only four years of service.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/free-agency-details-close-20110616-1g4l3.html#ixzz1PTABowcd
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■ The compensation is based on what happens over more than one season. Thus, if Richmond lost Brett Deledio next year, but picked up a lesser player the next year, then it wouldn't get a pick until at least 12 months after Deledio left.
That scenario puts the side that lost the player at a further disadvantage. A whole season with a hole on their list where they lost a free agent and a whole year less of development time which could have been spent on a new draftee using the compensation pick straight away in the draft.
ps. Nice of them to use Lids as an example as well ::).
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Players who would have spent at least eight years with their club after the 2012 season
ADELAIDE: Nathan van Berlo, Scott Thompson, Chris Knights
BRISBANE: Josh Drummond, Jed Adcock, Daniel Merrett
CARLTON: Jarrad Waite, Eddie Betts, Andrew Walker
COLLINGWOOD: Nick Maxwell, Travis Cloke, Heath Shaw
ESSENDON: Jobe Watson, David Hille, Angus Monfries
FREMANTLE: Aaron Sandilands, David Mundy, Michael Johnson
GEELONG: Jimmy Bartel, Steve Johnson, James Kelly
HAWTHORN: Luke Hodge, Lance Franklin, Jarryd Roughead
MELBOURNE: Aaron Davey, Brent Moloney, Colin Sylvia
NORTH MELBOURNE: Daniel Wells, Hamish McIntosh, Michael Firrito
PORT ADELAIDE: Danyle Pearce, Brett Ebert, Domenic Cassisi,
RICHMOND: Brett Deledio, Daniel Jackson, Nathan Foley
ST KILDA: Nick Riewoldt, Brendon Goddard, Sam Fisher
SYDNEY: Jarrad McVeigh, Paul Bevan, Nick Malceski
WEST COAST: Matt Rosa, Mark LeCras, Adam Selwood
WESTERN BULLDOGS: Matthew Boyd, Adam Cooney, Ryan Griffen.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/preparing-for-free-agency-20110618-1g91w.html#ixzz1PefJJisO
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Who your club could poach under free agency
Jon Ralph
From: Herald Sun
August 10, 2011
CHRIS JUDD described next year's free agency as "Mickey Mouse'' on Monday and in some ways he is right.
A raft of caveats are attached to keep clubs happy, including teams being able to match offers - and therefore keep stars - if a player has only eight or nine years of service, and are also in the top 25 per cent pay bracket at his club.
Therefore it is the ten-year stars where the real action will happen at the end of next year.
And for battling clubs, that is where Mick Malthouse's prophecy about raids from the AFL's superpowers could come true.
If a player is out of contract after 10 years at one club, his existing team has no rights to keep him.
Just as a player like Chris Tarrant went to Collingwood for the base wage this year, players could go chasing premierships.
So who is available?
Who could your club poach at the end of next year without their club matching their deal?
Below is the list of players who get to ten years service next year.
How about Brendon Goddard for a start?
He had a contract until 2010 which was extended until the end of 2012, which in principle means he will have served ten years at St Kilda and be an unrestricted free agent.
No wonder clubs including GWS will come with massive offers for him.
The problem with the first year of free agency for 10-year players is that players need to have come out of contract in the past two years to qualify as unrestricted free agents.
In other words, they need to have officially qualified as a restricted free agents (eight years' service), before they are restricted free agents with 10 years' service.
Goddard, who extended his contract before it expired, would seem to tick that box.
A player, who after six years signs a four-year deal, is only a restricted free agent when that deal expires.
Bloody confusing, isn’t it?
A raft of players who qualify for 10 years of service won't have first been restricted free agents, or are contracted past the end of 2011.
Nick Dal Santo, Alan Didak and Hamish McIntosh only come out of contract at the end of 2012.
Matthew Pavlich recently re-signed a four-year deal.
Kade Simpson signed another three-year deal only last week.
So it's not just who has hit 10 years, it's who is available.
But for the sake of the exercise, here are all the players who hit the 10-year mark, and will have rival clubs salivating when they do come out of contract.
From the 2002 national draft:
Brendon Goddard, Daniel Wells, Jarrad McVeigh, Steven Salopek, Andrew Mackie, Hamish McIntosh, Jason Winderlich, Will Minson, Tom Lonergan, Jared Rivers, Daniel Merrett, Jobe Watson, Brett Ebert, Kade Simpson, Adam Selwood, Ryan Crowley, Nick Malceski, Ben Rutten, Aaron Sandilands, Quinten Lynch, Mark Jamar, Bret Thornton, Roger Hayden.
2001 national draft:
Luke Hodge, Jimmy Bartel, Nick Dal Santo, Rick Ladson, James Kelly, Jason Gram, Sam Mitchell, Leigh Montagna, Jarrad Waite, Andrew Welsh, Brian Lake.
2000 national draft:
Nick Riewoldt, Justin Koschitzke, Alan Didak, Daniel Kerr, Drew Petrie, Josh Hunt, Chris Newman, Daniel Cross, Graham Johncock, Dean Cox.
1999 national draft:
Matthew Pavlich, Rhyce Shaw, Brad Green, Jason Blake, Jonathan Brown, Paul Chapman.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/who-your-club-could-poach-under-free-agency/story-fn6cisdj-1226111932297
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The media had to again choose Lids as a free agency example :scream...
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From: Age shall not weary them with free agency
Jake Niall
December 2, 2011
Free agency has three eligible groups - players with at least eight years of service who are in their club's top (paid) 25 per cent, eight-year players not in their club's top 10, and players with 10 or more years' service.
Richmond's Brett Deledio is a notable example in the first group - call them restricted free agents - while Saint Brendon Goddard is a standout among the third group, who are unrestricted free agents.
Eight-year players who aren't in their club's top 25 per cent are treated the same as 10-year veterans.
Deledio can only leave the Tigers for his club of choice if Richmond fails to match the highest offer he receives. Goddard can go anywhere on any terms.
The attractions of the eight-year restricted free agent is that they will play for longer, but they are also bound to be more expensive. The 10-year player can be bought more cheaply - suitors can tempt him with more than money; if Goddard wishes to play for Carlton, fancying that the Blues are closer to a flag, he can just go.
One reason clubs have been reluctant to trade or draft older players is that they don't want to waste a decent draft pick on a player with a short use-by date. Under free agency, though, there is no cost in the draft - the club can just grab them and keep their draft picks.
Clubs thus have more reason to pick up an older player who can fill a need.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/age-shall-not-weary-them-with-free-agency-20111201-1o95c.html#ixzz1fJ9lwXyM
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While we are paying 92% of salary cap, i find it very difficult to see how anyone could get lids under free agency. Even GWS would struggle and they would be better off targeting clubs who have little room left in their cap to properly force the issue
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The media had to again choose Lids as a free agency example :scream...
And why wouldn't they?
Lids as a restricted free agent & Goodard as a non restricted free agent are the perfect examples of how this system will work
But they key sentence in the article for the RFC and supporters is this:
Deledio can only leave the Tigers for his club of choice if Richmond fails to match the highest offer he receives. Goddard can go anywhere on any terms.
RFC are in the box seat regarding retaining Lids :thumbsup
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This is all supposing Lids would want to leave the club. Even if he gets an offer for big $ he is not forced to take it.
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This is all supposing Lids would want to leave the club. Even if he gets an offer for big $ he is not forced to take it.
Absolutely agree and I don't think he is going to leave. I wouldn't be at all surprsied if his management has said to him hold off and lets see what the market offers but I doubt very much he wants to leave
But all the "nervous nellies" out there have all but convinced themselves that because right now he hasn't signed a contract extension that he will be gone at the end 2012
What the Age has again highlighted and I've said many times is that under free agency the Club holds the aces and it's just another reason he is unlikely to be going anywhere
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What will happen to the pre-season draft when FA comes in?
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This is all supposing Lids would want to leave the club. Even if he gets an offer for big $ he is not forced to take it.
Absolutely agree and I don't think he is going to leave. I wouldn't be at all surprsied if his management has said to him hold off and lets see what the market offers but I doubt very much he wants to leave
But all the "nervous nellies" out there have all but convinced themselves that because right now he hasn't signed a contract extension that he will be gone at the end 2012
What the Age has again highlighted and I've said many times is that under free agency the Club holds the aces and it's just another reason he is unlikely to be going anywhere
Thats exactly what I think is happening. Last thing on his mind is leaving, his management company do what's best for him and will wait until his contract is up. Other clubs will put forwards offers and he can take them to RFC so they can better it. Nothing wrong with that IMHO. If Lids isn't already our highest paid player (he should be) then he will be this time next year :thumbsup
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What will happen to the pre-season draft when FA comes in?
It will remain for all those players who aren't covered under free agency (less than 8 years) and either get de-listed or walk out on their clubs
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Clubs grapple with free agency
Jon Pierik
January 25, 2012
CLUB administrators are still trying to digest the details of free agency just weeks before a list of eligible players is released.
AFL salary cap investigator Ken Wood continues to do the rounds of clubs explaining in detail a league document about how the new system will work, while player agents are still seeking more information and clarification through their governing body, the AFL Players Association.
There has been talk that clubs and agents will look to bend the rules to their benefit, but that appears difficult as the contract details of all players are logged at AFL headquarters. ''We are still looking at all the details. There's obviously still some uncertainty,'' one football manager said yesterday. Said another: ''That's the history of our game - trying to find a way to stretch the rules.''
The name of every free agent, whether restricted or unrestricted, will be released publicly on March 20. However, their wages will not be disclosed.
Under free agency, a player who is out of contract for the first time since serving eight years at the one club and is among the top nine or 10 paid in his final season can be offered a contract by rival clubs. But this offer can be matched by his current club. Richmond's Brett Deledio falls into this category.
Players who have served at least eight years but are outside of the top nine or 10 paid become unrestricted free agents and can leave for the club of their choice.
Those players who are out of contract and have served 10 years or more can also move to the club of their choice. St Kilda's Brendon Goddard and Melbourne's Mark Jamar fall into this category, although there is some argument they are restricted free agents.
Delisted players can deal directly with other clubs.
Those players who do not re-sign with their current club through the season will be bid for during an extended trade period in October, likely to last about three weeks. Clubs that lose players will be compensated with draft picks.
AFL operations manager Adrian Anderson said the league would keep a close eye on free agency.
''We look forward to observing how it works. Prior to this, they [players] made the fair point they were the only professional athletes in the world with a salary cap and draft and no free agency,'' he said yesterday. ''I think we have come up with a model in conjunction with the AFLPA which we are keen to have a close look at over the next couple of years.''
Anderson, club officials and several player agents believe free agency will particularly help disgruntled mid-tier players, rather than the league's superstars.
''It definitely advantages the lower rung players because once a lower rung player becomes discarded by his club, he can go to a club of his choice,'' Anderson said.
''That's a good thing. That opens it up for players no longer wanted by their clubs.
''It advantages the guys who are not as well paid because they become unrestricted free agents the first time they come out of contract after eight years.''
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/clubs-grapple-with-free-agency-20120124-1qfqo.html#ixzz1kOiNvbg5
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The Free Agency compo will only be half as good as the compo given to clubs that lost players to GWS & GC.
One for the road
Jake Niall
March 14, 2012
CLUBS that lose a superstar to free agency would get roughly half the compensation that Geelong and Melbourne received for losing Gary Ablett and Tom Scully, under the incoming system for free agency.
Any club that loses an elite player will receive a maximum of one first-round draft pick, not the two early picks Geelong and Melbourne received for losing Ablett and Scully to expansion teams.
Collingwood would receive just one first-round pick if it lost its gun forward Travis Cloke to free agency - Cloke is eligible this year - while St Kilda would only receive one for Brendon Goddard if he walked to another club.
The same would also be true for Hawthorn, which would get only one first-round choice for Lance Franklin - regarded by many as the premier player in the game - in the highly unlikely event that he exercised his option as a restricted free agent during 2013 and was snared by a rival club.
Clubs have been told that the compensation they will receive for losing free agents will be less generous than the draft picks they received for losing players to the Gold Coast and Greater Western Sydney. Melbourne received two first-round picks - which it can utilise in the coming years - when Scully joined GWS last October, while Geelong received exactly the same deal when superstar Ablett went to the Gold Coast and became the game's highest-paid player. The Cats successfully lobbied for a better deal during 2010 when it was evident that they faced a battle to retain Ablett.
Critically, the AFL will award a club ''net'' compensation for losing or gaining a free agent player. Thus, if St Kilda lost Goddard, but gained another player, the compensation would be based on the difference between the players. If the player gained is judged to be at the same level to the one lost, the relevant club would receive nothing.
The free agency system has five ''bands'' of compensation. The highest-ranked players - who will usually have completed eight years and be ''restricted'' free agents - will bring a return of a first-round pick, the next level is an end of first round pick, the third category is a second-round choice, the fourth is an end of second round, and the last bracket is a third-round pick.
At this stage, clubs are unclear where in the first round the compensation pick would be awarded, but it is likely either to be based on a club's ladder position in the year they use it [immediately after their ''normal'' first pick], or to be in the middle of the first round.
The AFL has suggested to clubs that they would have perhaps three years in which to utilise a compensation pick (they have five years under the GWS/Gold Coast compensation), but this is yet to be confirmed.
Clubs believe that the AFL does not want too many first-round compensation picks interfering with the function of the national draft.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/one-for-the-road-20120313-1uyiy.html#ixzz1p0vay2UD