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Re: AFL powerhouses set to swoop when free agency starts (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #75 on: April 16, 2011, 01:46:03 PM »
I read this article a while ago and was very concerned when I saw Brett Deledio's name mentioned.

I was then more concerned when I read Mick Sheeans article about Deledio not showing his true class because he is in an average side. His comments were also backed up by Richo and Nathan Brown.

I really hope that Delidio does not leave the club but gee, the temptation is going to be high, especially with our own ex players more or less encouraging him to leave...

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“We are really excited about what we have brought in. We have got great depth of players that can take us where we need to go. We are just putting some cream on the top at the moment,” he said.

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Re: AFL powerhouses set to swoop when free agency starts (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #76 on: April 16, 2011, 01:48:47 PM »
Not unless we are successful at the time WAT. That's the key to not only keeping our stars but luring stars from other teams :thumbsup

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Re: AFL powerhouses set to swoop when free agency starts (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #77 on: April 16, 2011, 02:33:27 PM »
I read this article a while ago and was very concerned when I saw Brett Deledio's name mentioned.

I was then more concerned when I read Mick Sheeans article about Deledio not showing his true class because he is in an average side. His comments were also backed up by Richo and Nathan Brown.

I really hope that Delidio does not leave the club but gee, the temptation is going to be high, especially with our own ex players more or less encouraging him to leave...

Watch this spot..

Well seeing his contracted for another 2 years I don't think there's too much to worry about right now
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Re: AFL powerhouses set to swoop when free agency starts (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #78 on: April 16, 2011, 02:51:13 PM »
I read this article a while ago and was very concerned when I saw Brett Deledio's name mentioned.

I was then more concerned when I read Mick Sheeans article about Deledio not showing his true class because he is in an average side. His comments were also backed up by Richo and Nathan Brown.

I really hope that Delidio does not leave the club but gee, the temptation is going to be high, especially with our own ex players more or less encouraging him to leave...

Watch this spot..

Well seeing his contracted for another 2 years I don't think there's too much to worry about right now

Yeah I suppose, forgot about that contact thing... It will still be a worry though. They may have to make him Captain to keep him!!
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“We are really excited about what we have brought in. We have got great depth of players that can take us where we need to go. We are just putting some cream on the top at the moment,” he said.

"Rucks:
Shaun Hampson is the No.1 man"

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Re: AFL powerhouses set to swoop when free agency starts (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #79 on: April 16, 2011, 02:53:10 PM »
Not unless we are successful at the time WAT. That's the key to not only keeping our stars but luring stars from other teams :thumbsup

Yeah being that it is 2 years away TB I agree and hey we should be playing finals in 2 years in all honesty. Lke you said too, luring players from other clubs would be great!!
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“We are really excited about what we have brought in. We have got great depth of players that can take us where we need to go. We are just putting some cream on the top at the moment,” he said.

"Rucks:
Shaun Hampson is the No.1 man"

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Free agency
« Reply #80 on: June 17, 2011, 05:37:36 AM »
The Club has made it known we'll be targetting free agents big time with Blair Hartley hired for this purpose. Here's the latest outline of the details....


Free agency details close
Jake Niall
June 16, 2011


The AFL has all but finalised the final detail of the free-agency system that will be introduced next year, having reached agreement with the players on how to define which players are "protected" or restricted free agents.

The question of how clubs would have to "match" an offer and thus retain a player who was a restricted free agent was another sticking point that has been resolved, with the AFL deciding that the club must match the offer on the precise terms as the club that is trying to recruit him.

Under the agreement, if a rival club offered an eligible player $300,000 in the first year and $800,000 in the second year, the club with the player would have to pay him those exact sums, but it would be allowed to spread the payments evenly for salary cap purposes and to avoid rorting by the suitor.
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The AFL recognised that there was potential for clubs to manipulate the system — and the salary cap — by making the contract offer to a free agent very high in one year and much lower in another.

There is also an agreement that, to be ranked in a club's top 10 paid players and thus qualify as a restricted free agent (after eight years' service), the ranking of what a player is paid will be based on guaranteed money only, not incentives.

One of the only hold-ups to announcing the historic free-agency agreement is the veteran's rule — designed as an incentive for clubs to retain older players — which has to be settled.

Most of the broad outline of the free-agency system was agreed early last year. The following is a summary of how it will work:

■ The AFL will release the names of those players who are eligible to be restricted free agents before the start of each season, starting next year. Those players will have a minimum of eight years' service, be coming out of contract and will rank in their club's top 10 players (or 25 per cent) in terms of pay. In effect, the public will find how which of its players with eight years' service are ranked in their payments ladder.

■ Players who have 10 years' service are unrestricted free agents and can cross to the club of their choice, with their club unable to stop them leaving if they wish. But the veteran's rule — which will permit clubs to pay each player with 10 years' service about $100,000 that doesn't count in the salary cap — will act as a disincentive for 10-year players walking.

■ Compensation will be on more or less the same formula for compensating clubs that lose players to the Gold Coast (last year) and Greater Western Sydney (this year and next). Crucially, clubs that gain a free agent will not give up a draft pick — that pick will come from a central pool, with the AFL determining the value of the player via criteria such as the age of the player, the amount of his contract offer and achievements such as best and fairest finishes and all-Australian selection.

■ Compensation will be based on the "net" outcome. If a club loses a player, but gains one of equivalent worth, then it will not receive any draft pick. But if it was to lose a player of Lance Franklin's worth and gained only a journeyman, then it would receive a draft pick, in accordance with the compensation formula.

■ The compensation is based on what happens over more than one season. Thus, if Richmond lost Brett Deledio next year, but picked up a lesser player the next year, then it wouldn't get a pick until at least 12 months after Deledio left.

■ The list of players eligible for free agency will be released on the basis on what they are paid — a significant step in transparency of player payments (though amounts aren't disclosed). But invariably, many of the top 10 paid players will not be on that list, because they aren't eligible. Cyril Rioli, for instance, should be in Hawthorn's top 10 by then, but he isn't eligible for free agency because he has only four years of service.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/free-agency-details-close-20110616-1g4l3.html#ixzz1PTABowcd

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Re: Free agency
« Reply #81 on: June 18, 2011, 02:43:56 AM »
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■ The compensation is based on what happens over more than one season. Thus, if Richmond lost Brett Deledio next year, but picked up a lesser player the next year, then it wouldn't get a pick until at least 12 months after Deledio left.
That scenario puts the side that lost the player at a further disadvantage. A whole season with a hole on their list where they lost a free agent and a whole year less of development time which could have been spent on a new draftee using the compensation pick straight away in the draft.

ps. Nice of them to use Lids as an example as well  ::).
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Re: Free agency
« Reply #82 on: June 19, 2011, 04:48:45 AM »
Players who would have spent at least eight years with their club after the 2012 season

ADELAIDE: Nathan van Berlo, Scott Thompson, Chris Knights

BRISBANE: Josh Drummond, Jed Adcock, Daniel Merrett

CARLTON: Jarrad Waite, Eddie Betts, Andrew Walker

COLLINGWOOD: Nick Maxwell, Travis Cloke, Heath Shaw

ESSENDON: Jobe Watson, David Hille, Angus Monfries

FREMANTLE: Aaron Sandilands, David Mundy, Michael Johnson

GEELONG: Jimmy Bartel, Steve Johnson, James Kelly

HAWTHORN: Luke Hodge, Lance Franklin, Jarryd Roughead

MELBOURNE: Aaron Davey, Brent Moloney, Colin Sylvia

NORTH MELBOURNE: Daniel Wells, Hamish McIntosh, Michael Firrito

PORT ADELAIDE: Danyle Pearce, Brett Ebert, Domenic Cassisi,

RICHMOND: Brett Deledio, Daniel Jackson, Nathan Foley

ST KILDA: Nick Riewoldt, Brendon Goddard, Sam Fisher

SYDNEY: Jarrad McVeigh, Paul Bevan, Nick Malceski

WEST COAST: Matt Rosa, Mark LeCras, Adam Selwood

WESTERN BULLDOGS: Matthew Boyd, Adam Cooney, Ryan Griffen.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/preparing-for-free-agency-20110618-1g91w.html#ixzz1PefJJisO

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Who your club could poach under free agency (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #83 on: August 10, 2011, 02:43:35 AM »
Who your club could poach under free agency

    Jon Ralph
    From: Herald Sun
    August 10, 2011


CHRIS JUDD described next year's free agency as "Mickey Mouse'' on Monday and in some ways he is right.

A raft of caveats are attached to keep clubs happy, including teams being able to match offers - and therefore keep stars - if a player has only eight or nine years of service, and are also in the top 25 per cent pay bracket at his club.

Therefore it is the ten-year stars where the real action will happen at the end of next year.

And for battling clubs, that is where Mick Malthouse's prophecy about raids from the AFL's superpowers could come true.

If a player is out of contract after 10 years at one club, his existing team has no rights to keep him.

Just as a player like Chris Tarrant went to Collingwood for the base wage this year, players could go chasing premierships.

So who is available?

Who could your club poach at the end of next year without their club matching their deal?

Below is the list of players who get to ten years service next year.

How about Brendon Goddard for a start?

He had a contract until 2010 which was extended until the end of 2012, which in principle means he will have served ten years at St Kilda and be an unrestricted free agent.

No wonder clubs including GWS will come with massive offers for him.

The problem with the first year of free agency for 10-year players is that players need to have come out of contract in the past two years to qualify as unrestricted free agents.

In other words, they need to have officially qualified as a restricted free agents (eight years' service), before they are restricted free agents with 10 years' service.

Goddard, who extended his contract before it expired, would seem to tick that box.

A player, who after six years signs a four-year deal, is only a restricted free agent when that deal expires.

Bloody confusing, isn’t it?

A raft of players who qualify for 10 years of service won't have first been restricted free agents, or are contracted past the end of 2011.

Nick Dal Santo, Alan Didak and Hamish McIntosh only come out of contract at the end of 2012.

Matthew Pavlich recently re-signed a four-year deal.

Kade Simpson signed another three-year deal only last week.

So it's not just who has hit 10 years, it's who is available.

But for the sake of the exercise, here are all the players who hit the 10-year mark, and will have rival clubs salivating when they do come out of contract.

From the 2002 national draft:

Brendon Goddard, Daniel Wells, Jarrad McVeigh, Steven Salopek,  Andrew Mackie, Hamish McIntosh, Jason Winderlich, Will Minson, Tom Lonergan, Jared Rivers, Daniel Merrett, Jobe Watson, Brett Ebert, Kade Simpson, Adam Selwood, Ryan Crowley, Nick Malceski, Ben Rutten, Aaron Sandilands, Quinten Lynch, Mark Jamar, Bret Thornton, Roger Hayden.

 
2001 national draft:

Luke Hodge, Jimmy Bartel, Nick Dal Santo, Rick Ladson, James Kelly, Jason Gram, Sam Mitchell, Leigh Montagna, Jarrad Waite, Andrew Welsh, Brian Lake.

 
2000 national draft:

Nick Riewoldt, Justin Koschitzke, Alan Didak, Daniel Kerr, Drew Petrie, Josh Hunt, Chris Newman, Daniel Cross, Graham Johncock, Dean Cox.

 
1999 national draft:

Matthew Pavlich, Rhyce Shaw, Brad Green, Jason Blake, Jonathan Brown, Paul Chapman.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/who-your-club-could-poach-under-free-agency/story-fn6cisdj-1226111932297

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Age shall not weary them with free agency (Age)
« Reply #84 on: December 02, 2011, 05:17:59 AM »
The media had to again choose Lids as a free agency example  :scream...

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From: Age shall not weary them with free agency
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December 2, 2011



Free agency has three eligible groups - players with at least eight years of service who are in their club's top (paid) 25 per cent, eight-year players not in their club's top 10, and players with 10 or more years' service.

Richmond's Brett Deledio is a notable example in the first group - call them restricted free agents - while Saint Brendon Goddard is a standout among the third group, who are unrestricted free agents.

Eight-year players who aren't in their club's top 25 per cent are treated the same as 10-year veterans.

Deledio can only leave the Tigers for his club of choice if Richmond fails to match the highest offer he receives. Goddard can go anywhere on any terms.

The attractions of the eight-year restricted free agent is that they will play for longer, but they are also bound to be more expensive. The 10-year player can be bought more cheaply - suitors can tempt him with more than money; if Goddard wishes to play for Carlton, fancying that the Blues are closer to a flag, he can just go.

One reason clubs have been reluctant to trade or draft older players is that they don't want to waste a decent draft pick on a player with a short use-by date. Under free agency, though, there is no cost in the draft - the club can just grab them and keep their draft picks.

Clubs thus have more reason to pick up an older player who can fill a need.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/age-shall-not-weary-them-with-free-agency-20111201-1o95c.html#ixzz1fJ9lwXyM

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Re: Free Agency coming end of 2012 [merged]
« Reply #85 on: December 02, 2011, 07:22:00 AM »
While we are paying 92% of salary cap, i find it very difficult to see how anyone could get lids under free agency. Even GWS would struggle and they would be better off targeting clubs who have little room left in their cap to properly force the issue
“I find it nearly impossible to make those judgments, but he is certainly up there with the really important ones, he is certainly up there with the Francis Bourkes and the Royce Harts and the Kevin Bartlett and the Kevin Sheedys, there is no doubt about that,” Balme said.

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Re: Age shall not weary them with free agency (Age)
« Reply #86 on: December 02, 2011, 10:51:39 AM »
The media had to again choose Lids as a free agency example  :scream...


And why wouldn't they?

Lids as a restricted free agent & Goodard as a non restricted free agent are the perfect examples of how this system will work

But they key sentence in the article for the RFC and supporters is this:

Deledio can only leave the Tigers for his club of choice if Richmond fails to match the highest offer he receives. Goddard can go anywhere on any terms.

RFC are in the box seat regarding retaining Lids  :thumbsup
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Re: Free Agency coming end of 2012 [merged]
« Reply #87 on: December 02, 2011, 11:01:23 AM »
This is all supposing Lids would want to leave the club. Even if he gets an offer for big $ he is not forced to take it.

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Re: Free Agency coming end of 2012 [merged]
« Reply #88 on: December 02, 2011, 11:14:16 AM »
This is all supposing Lids would want to leave the club. Even if he gets an offer for big $ he is not forced to take it.

Absolutely agree and I don't think he is going to leave. I wouldn't be at all surprsied if his management has said to him hold off and lets see what the market offers but I doubt very much he wants to leave

But all the "nervous nellies" out there have all but convinced themselves that because right now he hasn't signed a contract extension that he will be gone at the end 2012

What the Age has again highlighted and I've said many times is that under free agency the Club holds the aces and it's just another reason he is unlikely to be going anywhere
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Re: Free Agency coming end of 2012 [merged]
« Reply #89 on: December 02, 2011, 12:42:11 PM »
What will happen to the pre-season draft when FA comes in?