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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on June 06, 2009, 04:37:58 AM
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We'll get a better idea after Coburg play on Sunday but fire away.....
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To early really but I know I dont wanna see Kayne Pettifer, Jordan McMahon and Troy Simmonds in for a fair while.
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To early really but I know I dont wanna see Kayne Pettifer, Jordan McMahon and Troy Simmonds in for a fair while.
Ditto. Make that never again and bring in 3 kids instead who are part of the future. Gus should be in for Simmo.
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McMahon and Pettifer gone.
Cogs isnt up to either
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To early really but I know I dont wanna see Kayne Pettifer, Jordan McMahon and Troy Simmonds in for a fair while.
Ditto. Make that never again and bring in 3 kids instead who are part of the future. Gus should be in for Simmo.
Double ditto.
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Bowden wont be dropped ;D his playing well enough & deserves his position in the top 22 ;D
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Monk will like this.
Out Moi, In Joffa ;) ;) :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :lol
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whats wrong with lids, did he pull a heart muscle again , we all kno whe lacks work rate, he was shown up by a rookie again !! bloody softie
but i will be easy on him, dont wanna hurt his feelings b/c we tanked yestereday there was no way the boys were gonna send off that idiot wallace with a win
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win by 10 goals next week, nothing more certain :gotigers
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its obvious the players tanked this yr to guarantee wallace will be gone
now that the bastard is gone , the rfc will start playing
sure 2009 is gone, but at least we know wallet is gone too
imagine we did well this yr and wallace stayed on , that would have been disaster
rfc will be reborn as of midday today
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win by 10 goals next week, nothing more certain :gotigers
yea we win avoid a priority pick, west coast lose get a priority pick
we win 8 games this year finish 10th
look forward three years west coast are in a grand final on the back of masten natanui scully and we are 9th ....again.
The more things change at tigerland the more they stay the same.
The rfc has big chance of showing it is a professional football club by picking kids and managing losses, unfortunately we wont take this opportunity and wallow in our mediocrity .................... agian
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its obvious the players tanked this yr to guarantee wallace will be gone
now that the bastard is gone , the rfc will start playing
sure 2009 is gone, but at least we know wallet is gone too
imagine we did well this yr and wallace stayed on , that would have been disaster
rfc will be reborn as of midday today
Absolute crap
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win by 10 goals next week, nothing more certain :gotigers
Yep, which is quite ridiculous really, if I can get better than 2s 39+ I'm on.
Give Browne a run, monster of a man/boy! Need to get our new ruck stocks up and running.
Simmo out.
McMahon - BIN - If he plays Eagles will have a good game which will mean stuff all.
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win by 10 goals next week, nothing more certain :gotigers
yea we win avoid a priority pick, west coast lose get a priority pick
we win 8 games this year finish 10th
look forward three years west coast are in a grand final on the back of masten natanui scully and we are 9th ....again.
The more things change at tigerland the more they stay the same.
The rfc has big chance of showing it is a professional football club by picking kids and managing losses, unfortunately we wont take this opportunity and wallow in our mediocrity .................... agian
tanking sux
achieves nothing, geelong never tanked
btw ur lover deledio will guide us to the promise land
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win by 10 goals next week, nothing more certain :gotigers
jack whats that going to prove seriously??
Beat the Eagles by 10 goals, then get smashed by the Saints following week.
stuff this poo we need to lose. A few points will do it.
We need this Butcher kid seriously we meaningless wins get us to where we are now. NOWHERE
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Bowden wont be dropped ;D his playing well enough & deserves his position in the top 22 ;D
He's too slow mate.
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win by 10 goals next week, nothing more certain :gotigers
yea we win avoid a priority pick, west coast lose get a priority pick
we win 8 games this year finish 10th
look forward three years west coast are in a grand final on the back of masten natanui scully and we are 9th ....again.
The more things change at tigerland the more they stay the same.
The rfc has big chance of showing it is a professional football club by picking kids and managing losses, unfortunately we wont take this opportunity and wallow in our mediocrity .................... agian
tanking sux
achieves nothing, geelong never tanked
btw ur lover deledio will guide us to the promise land
hello tony free
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McMahon and Pettifer gone.
Cogs isnt up to either
Has Coghlan ever shown any interest in coaching or helping young kids in development. To be honest, it is over for Coghlan, and just a suggestion from left field... maybe retire from now and between now and the end of the year, since he has a contract, he can take a position as a development coach and help the young kids at the club. If he does a good job, maybe he could stay on at the end of it. Lets not only develop players, how about trying to develop afew future coaches to put into our structure. And Coghlan has shown he is a Richmond person.
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McMahon and Pettifer gone.
Cogs isnt up to either
Has Coghlan ever shown any interest in coaching or helping young kids in development. To be honest, it is over for Coghlan, and just a suggestion from left field... maybe retire from now and between now and the end of the year, since he has a contract, he can take a position as a development coach and help the young kids at the club. If he does a good job, maybe he could stay on at the end of it. Lets not only develop players, how about trying to develop afew future coaches to put into our structure. And Coghlan has shown he is a Richmond person.
Damn good suggestion. He is a quality person and to some extent has triumphed over adversity. Would be a great development coach, from an outsider's point of view.
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win by 10 goals next week, nothing more certain :gotigers
yea we win avoid a priority pick, west coast lose get a priority pick
we win 8 games this year finish 10th
look forward three years west coast are in a grand final on the back of masten natanui scully and we are 9th ....again.
The more things change at tigerland the more they stay the same.
The rfc has big chance of showing it is a professional football club by picking kids and managing losses, unfortunately we wont take this opportunity and wallow in our mediocrity .................... agian
tanking sux
achieves nothing, geelong never tanked
btw ur lover deledio will guide us to the promise land
hello tony free
tony free was our last true captain and had king size balls, maybe i am free lol
deledio could learn from tony free
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win by 10 goals next week, nothing more certain :gotigers
jack whats that going to prove seriously??
Beat the Eagles by 10 goals, then get smashed by the Saints following week.
eff this poo we need to lose. A few points will do it.
We need this Butcher kid seriously we meaningless wins get us to where we are now. NOWHERE
Forget about what pick in draft.
We need to have a winning culture.
We have had picks before and guess what, we are not better off.
Can you tell , the club WONT be tanking ;)
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win by 10 goals next week, nothing more certain :gotigers
jack whats that going to prove seriously??
Beat the Eagles by 10 goals, then get smashed by the Saints following week.
eff this poo we need to lose. A few points will do it.
We need this Butcher kid seriously we meaningless wins get us to where we are now. NOWHERE
Forget about what pick in draft.
We need to have a winning culture.
We have had picks before and guess what, we are not better off.
Can you tell , the club WONT be tanking ;)
I wouldnt of expected anything less
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win by 10 goals next week, nothing more certain :gotigers
jack whats that going to prove seriously??
Beat the Eagles by 10 goals, then get smashed by the Saints following week.
eff this poo we need to lose. A few points will do it.
We need this Butcher kid seriously we meaningless wins get us to where we are now. NOWHERE
Forget about what pick in draft.
We need to have a winning culture.
We have had picks before and guess what, we are not better off.
Can you tell , the club WONT be tanking ;)
Did they see last nights 2nd half....have they realised that we have been poo for almost 3 decades because we dont have good players and we dont have players who can kick the footy properly.
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win by 10 goals next week, nothing more certain :gotigers
jack whats that going to prove seriously??
Beat the Eagles by 10 goals, then get smashed by the Saints following week.
eff this poo we need to lose. A few points will do it.
We need this Butcher kid seriously we meaningless wins get us to where we are now. NOWHERE
Forget about what pick in draft.
We need to have a winning culture.
We have had picks before and guess what, we are not better off.
Can you tell , the club WONT be tanking ;)
Did they see last nights 2nd half....have they realised that we have been poo for almost 3 decades because we dont have good players and we dont have players who can kick the footy properly.
never mind ramps, according to jack and march and free the list is good enough for finals.
The problem is we have 10 players that would get a game with any other team. We are basically screwed
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Did they see last nights 2nd half....have they realised that we have been poo for almost 3 decades because we dont have good players and we dont have players who can kick the footy properly.
I wonder why that is?
Clearly we haven't lost enough games!
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win by 10 goals next week, nothing more certain :gotigers
jack whats that going to prove seriously??
Beat the Eagles by 10 goals, then get smashed by the Saints following week.
eff this poo we need to lose. A few points will do it.
We need this Butcher kid seriously we meaningless wins get us to where we are now. NOWHERE
Forget about what pick in draft.
We need to have a winning culture.
We have had picks before and guess what, we are not better off.
Can you tell , the club WONT be tanking ;)
We are heading for another love in jack :bow
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Bowden wont be dropped ;D his playing well enough & deserves his position in the top 22 ;D
He's too slow mate.
so are many smart footballers. only time his slow is when they laying down to get rid of the coach
you see his first half he got no cheap possies in that fast half, all them players were blowing 100% effort to prove they can play
after halftime cya coach they dont know basic skills & stop chasing & kick to maned contests
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Those at Coburg didn't do us any favours to make wholesale changes :-\. Bringing in Kingy again isn't going with youth either :P. Gus should come in for the struggling Simmo.
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Well based on the efforts of those playing at Coburg today there shouldn't be many changes at all
Struth they were bad
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OUTS: McMahon, Pettifer, McMahonoops Coughlan, Thursfield (watch the replay anyone want to pick the moment Will lost me :-\) Simmonds stays only because Gus was very ordinary today, ditto Vickery
INS: flip a coin....... Thomson, Edwards, Slivestor ;D (yes I'm on a mission :lol), King or JON
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Doesn't really matter, I thought this game was a shoe in for us........ until I watched the Eagles play Geelong today.... :whistle
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win by 10 goals next week, nothing more certain :gotigers
jack whats that going to prove seriously??
Beat the Eagles by 10 goals, then get smashed by the Saints following week.
eff this poo we need to lose. A few points will do it.
We need this Butcher kid seriously we meaningless wins get us to where we are now. NOWHERE
Listen my friend, the problem @ Richmond is very serious, it's all in player development. Any club can pick up a good young player but the real skill is how quick you can get him to the next level. At Richmond it seems they seriously struggle with this.
You can pick up the best kid in the draft and you can also stuff up his entire career if he isnt developed properly. It's quite obvious to me that this is the key problem, the board should be spending all the money they have to get this right. Yes the club has made recruiting errors but so has all clubs but we need to get it right in player development and then no matter where you finish in the pecking order come draft day you pick up a good kid and he can develope into a great 10+ year player for us.
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Listen my friend, the problem @ Richmond is very serious, it's all in player development. Any club can pick up a good young player but the real skill is how quick you can get him to the next level. At Richmond it seems they seriously struggle with this.
You can pick up the best kid in the draft and you can also stuff up his entire career if he isnt developed properly. It's quite obvious to me that this is the key problem, the board should be spending all the money they have to get this right. Yes the club has made recruiting errors but so has all clubs but we need to get it right in player development and then no matter where you finish in the pecking order come draft day you pick up a good kid and he can develope into a great 10+ year player for us.
Spot on but add some more recruiting officers into the mix too!
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Well based on the efforts of those playing at Coburg today there shouldn't be many changes at all
Struth they were bad
Anyway
OUTS: McMahon, Pettifer, McMahon, Thursfield (watch the replay anyone want to pick the moment Will lost me :-\) Simmonds stays only because Gus was very ordinary today, ditto Vickery
INS: flip a coin....... Thomson, Edwards, Slivestor ;D (yes I'm on a mission :lol), King or JON
Well if it was a freakin' slippery marshland I'd expect Gus and Vickery to be relatively ineffective. Not their day for a stand out performance. Just bring Gus back, he never should have had to come back through Coburg. :scream
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Gus needs to come in for Simo as Simo just doesnt take marks or compete well enough in the ruck these days.
As far as developing our kids, well its a bit hard seeing we havn't got as many kids as other sides because we keep recuiting discards. We also made some terrible recuiting decisions around five years ago and you just cant develop some kids.
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if vickery is fit hes gotta play most games, what are they waiting for? kruzer played most games last year!
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Graham (Simmonds) Schulz (Pettifer) McMahon (Post)
how far is Nahas?
is Moore and Deledio injured?
Simmonds, Pettifer, McMahon, Brown, Johnson, King, Oakley-Nicholls, Edwards - must all be gone for Richmond to go forward.
:)
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Graham (Simmonds) Schulz (Pettifer) McMahon (Post)
how far is Nahas?
is Moore and Deledio injured?
Simmonds, Pettifer, McMahon, Brown, Johnson, King, Oakley-Nicholls, Edwards - must all be gone for Richmond to go forward.
You want Schultz to continue??? You must be joking. I find it incredulous that anyone would even consider retaining him on the list. It proves to me that the people in control @ Richmond had no idea after trying to trade him then continualy giving him a chance @ senior level when obvious to ALL (I thought) that he was at best a good VFL player. If he's no good just delist him! The kid is obviously deficient in footy brain function.
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Listen my friend, the problem @ Richmond is very serious, it's all in player development. Any club can pick up a good young player but the real skill is how quick you can get him to the next level. At Richmond it seems they seriously struggle with this.
You can pick up the best kid in the draft and you can also stuff up his entire career if he isnt developed properly. It's quite obvious to me that this is the key problem, the board should be spending all the money they have to get this right. Yes the club has made recruiting errors but so has all clubs but we need to get it right in player development and then no matter where you finish in the pecking order come draft day you pick up a good kid and he can develope into a great 10+ year player for us.
absolutely spot on...too often we've drafted elite juniors only to see them leave Punt rd broken down 2 bit bums...err Sarge and Hughes anyone :-\...too easy to cast this off as wrong choices coz the list of failures is as long as your arm, the blame is fairly and squarely targetted at those who are supposed to develop...YEP that means coach these kids to become elite AFL players...fair dinkum when TW suggested he didnt have a development coach for 2 years , I would have quipped, so you do in fact have one now ::)
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Listen my friend, the problem @ Richmond is very serious, it's all in player development. Any club can pick up a good young player but the real skill is how quick you can get him to the next level. At Richmond it seems they seriously struggle with this.
You can pick up the best kid in the draft and you can also stuff up his entire career if he isnt developed properly. It's quite obvious to me that this is the key problem, the board should be spending all the money they have to get this right. Yes the club has made recruiting errors but so has all clubs but we need to get it right in player development and then no matter where you finish in the pecking order come draft day you pick up a good kid and he can develope into a great 10+ year player for us.
absolutely spot on...too often we've drafted elite juniors only to see them leave Punt rd broken down 2 bit bums...err Sarge and Hughes anyone :-\...too easy to cast this off as wrong choices coz the list of failures is as long as your arm, the blame is fairly and squarely targetted at those who are supposed to develop...YEP that means coach these kids to become elite AFL players...fair dinkum when TW suggested he didnt have a development coach for 2 years , I would have quipped, so you do in fact have one now ::)
We need just look at Geelong as an example of good recruiting. Ok we all know that they have had some wins in the father/son but the only problem they have now is trying to hold on to up & comers in the reserves who arent getting an opportunity in the seniors. Now when was the last time we had an abundance of riches in player stocks that good players had to wait in the reserves?
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Well if it was a freakin' slippery marshland I'd expect Gus and Vickery to be relatively ineffective. Not their day for a stand out performance. Just bring Gus back, he never should have had to come back through Coburg. :scream
Even allowing for the conditions I dont think it is asking too much for blokes to exert some defensive pressure on their opponents. IMHO that was the disappointment in Graham & Vickery games on Sunday.
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In the mix: round 12
afl.com.au
Tue 09 June, 2009
Richmond
Young goalsneak Robbie Nahas should return after missing last weekend with a corked quad, but the real interest surrounds last year’s No.8 draft pick, Tyrone Vickery. The 18-year-old has been in consistently good form for Coburg and would be expected to play as a tall forward rather than in the ruck where he is expected to eventually end up. The injured Nathan Brown and Matt White are both expected to remain on the sidelines.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/78524/default.aspx
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bring on the big vic :thumbsup
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Well from what footage I have seen on Vickery versing Natanui he (Vickery) killed him every time...... well just about. I was and still are an advocate for Vickery and I hope the hell he plays.
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Graham (Simmonds) Schulz (Pettifer) McMahon (Post)
how far is Nahas?
is Moore and Deledio injured?
Simmonds, Pettifer, McMahon, Brown, Johnson, King, Oakley-Nicholls, Edwards - must all be gone for Richmond to go forward.
You want Schultz to continue??? You must be joking. I find it incredulous that anyone would even consider retaining him on the list. It proves to me that the people in control @ Richmond had no idea after trying to trade him then continualy giving him a chance @ senior level when obvious to ALL (I thought) that he was at best a good VFL player. If he's no good just delist him! The kid is obviously deficient in footy brain function.
Mr Tigra, Jay Schulz has one more year on his contract. a trade is the only option. Jake King is in the same position.
just with the In's and Out's ... if Nahas is 'FIT' play him.
i have changed my mind with the In's/Out's:
Vickery (Simmonds), Nahas (Pettifer) Schulz (McMahon)
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Graham (Simmonds) Schulz (Pettifer) McMahon (Post)
how far is Nahas?
is Moore and Deledio injured?
Simmonds, Pettifer, McMahon, Brown, Johnson, King, Oakley-Nicholls, Edwards - must all be gone for Richmond to go forward.
You want Schultz to continue??? You must be joking. I find it incredulous that anyone would even consider retaining him on the list. It proves to me that the people in control @ Richmond had no idea after trying to trade him then continualy giving him a chance @ senior level when obvious to ALL (I thought) that he was at best a good VFL player. If he's no good just delist him! The kid is obviously deficient in footy brain function.
Mr Tigra, Jay Schulz has one more year on his contract. a trade is the only option. Jake King is in the same position.
just with the In's and Out's ... if Nahas is 'FIT' play him.
i have changed my mind with the In's/Out's:
Vickery (Simmonds), Nahas (Pettifer) Schulz (McMahon)
Like I said, It proves people @ the club have no idea! As much as I am a novice at seeing true football potential ( i admit I didnt think C.Ling was any good the first I seen of him), ANYONE with an ounce of footy experience can see that this guy Schultz isnt going to get us anywhere especially forward. And they sign him up for more than 1 year?? :banghead
You see the endemic problem with this club that I can see is that it accepts Mediocrity.
I HAVE A DREAM! :pray That one day Richmond will only accept excellence and not expect anything less. :cheers
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Tigers continue to ring in changes
Stephen Rielly | June 11, 2009 | The Australian
A GLIMPSE of Richmond in 2010 will be seen tonight when the Tigers reveal their side to play West Coast at the MCG on Saturday.
The first team chosen since Terry Wallace's departure as senior coach last Friday night, and Jade Rawlings' appointment as his temporary successor 12 hours later, is expected to involve as many as six changes.
The club offered a nod in the direction it will head post-Wallace yesterday by announcing that last year's first-round draft pick, ruckman Tyrone Vickery, 19, will make his debut against the Eagles.
It is understood, however, that a raft of other changes have been agreed upon, with several experienced players to make way for the future to be ushered in.
Change at Punt Rd has come at a rapid pace since Wallace's departure.
After Rawlings' appointment, Craig McRae was appointed to replace him as coach of Coburg, Richmond's VFL affiliate, and former captain Kane Johnson announced his retirement on Tuesday to join the coaching staff.
After making the decision to part with Wallace with half the season remaining, the Tigers last week impressed upon their assistant coaches, with Rawlings then among them, that the time could not be used to glide out of the season and have all of the decisions on players left until September and October.
This understanding is expected to be reflected in tonight's team, although over the coming months some senior figures, some of whom will play against the Eagles, are expected to retire.
The Tigers have five 30-somethings on their list -- Nathan Brown, Ben Cousins, Joel Bowden, Troy Simmonds and Matthew Richardson -- with ruckman Simmonds vulnerable to the push for Vickery and youth, given Adam Pattison's two-goal game last week against the Western Bulldogs and his own mediocre form.
Perhaps the safest of them is Richardson, 34, who is recuperating from hamstring surgery.
Richardson, who is not expected to return until late next month at the earliest, said yesterday he isn't certain to go on.
"Whether I play next year, who knows? But it's not about me, it's about the footy club," Richardson said.
"Whatever decision is made, it will be in the best interests of the footy club and it won't be about what is best for me or anyone else."
Vickery has not been consistently catching the eye with Coburg but like Eagle Nicholas Naitanui, his club's first selection in last year's national draft and also a 19-year-old ruckman set to make his debut in Saturday's match, he represents the future for a club that is not in contention and, therefore, has little to lose by exposing him to senior football.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25617474-5012432,00.html