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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on June 06, 2009, 01:30:47 PM
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In the next 11 weeks what do you want to see most from Rawlings regarding game style/plan?
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KISS while trying players in different roles.
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one on one contested hard footy. No kicking backwards or sideways. Just forward movement of the footy in a fast and organised manner.
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:banghead :pray :help
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really simple to Jade, you know the footy we played in 2Q last night and third Qtr v the Cats, I want that to be sustained over 4Q...im ok with that...give it a try :thumbsup
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Like I said in another thread:
If a player is on the run about 70m out, they have an option to go to in the 50, and not have to stop and handball backwards to a flat footed player.
When a player takes a mark and handballs off, the guy is actually in space an can run on, not get tackled or held up.
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one thing.
Get as many players forward of the ball as possible.
Roll the dice.
Will spew if I see 16 players sitting in D 50 behind the ball like in the 3rd quarter last night, that teaches them NOTHING
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one on one contested hard footy. No kicking backwards or sideways. Just forward movement of the footy in a fast and organised manner.
:clapping That's it for me too Ramps.
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Get back to footy basics.
Shepherding for the ballcarrier and protecting him would be a start. Half our turnovers are due to teammates off the ball simply not shepherding and allowing opponents to run down the ballcarrier who then has to dispose of the ball quickly under pressure. They don't shepherd at training either so it's not a gameday fault with players going against team rules. They are told to run away from the ballcarrier for the handpass receive. The problem is the ballcarrier is then isolated and if there are no options upfield in free space (especially in the 2nd half when we stopped running) the ballcarrier has no protection from opponents chasing and pressuring him from all directions = turnover.
No short kicks to contests.
The other thing which is harder to do in the short term given our lack of big key forwards is give us a traditional forward line structure and I don't mean using Kel up forward as a fill in tall. Encourage more direct long kicking to talls in our forward line to straighten us up. In fact encourage more longer kicking full spot.
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Drop Bowden, Brown & Simmo for starters and don't recall Johnson
Let Richo recover properly for the rest of the year
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I would like him to never allow Simmo, Mcmahon, Brown, JON and Johnson to wear Yellow and Black EVER again.
Secondly i want them replaced by Vickery, Post, Gourdis with Mcguane moved to F/Forward, Alongside Jack and Morton.
This is your time try something different and come Thursday i will know weather this football club is going anywhere when the team sheet is released.
First step was to get rid of TW, second step is to pick a team for our future and FFS those players above plus a dozen more are not the answer.
PLAY THE KIDS FFS AND IF THEY WIN SO BE IT BUT stuff THESE OLD PRICKS......THEY ARE NOT OUR FUTURE
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Kick it long to Royce and get out of his way :lol
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Kick it long to Royce and get out of his way :lol
Thanks for the memories Moi! :bow
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I would like to see a more EFFICIENT game plan.
Richmonds Disposals per goal average is the second highest in the competition.Only Melbourne is higher.
Richmond 31.6 disposals per goal
Compare that to the Big Boys
Western Bulldogs 23.4
Geelong 25.0
St Kilda 25.8
Carlton 24.7
Brisbane 25.5
Most of all I just want to see a game plan that does not High light our lack of skill.
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I'd like to see Schulz tried at FF for a whole game without Richo in the side. Seriously, he deserves it.
Also no unneccessary rotations- play players to the positions that suit them the most.
(ie: Mitch Morton is a good forward.. Never put him on the ball again. Not too sure about McGuane in the fwd line either)
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coburgs game style is a good start!
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I'd like to see Schulz tried at FF for a whole game without Richo in the side. Seriously, he deserves it.
Also no unneccessary rotations- play players to the positions that suit them the most.
(ie: Mitch Morton is a good forward.. Never put him on the ball again. Not too sure about McGuane in the fwd line either)
Are you stuffin serious??? Schulz
I keep hearing from time and time about schulz playing FF. Sorry mate but im not sure if you were at the game a few weeks ago as i was.
Schulz is rubbish in every stuffin position of the field. He is the most useless footballer i have ever seen. Barely tries and he makes everything about this footy club look so weak when you allow people like him to get a game as soon as he kicks 4 goals plus for Coburg.
Our forward is no where near powerful which is why we need a Butcher or another tall KPP
Why wouldn't you try Mcguane?? Seriously this forward line has reached 100 points in only one game so we need to try something or we will fail for the next 2 years.
He can take a mark, can kick the ball and is faster than most forwards (Jack) that we currently have.
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Rawlings seems to be able to get SOMETHING out of Schulz at VFL level, so let him have a shot.
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Contested free flowing one on one footy for 2.5 quarters.
Ugly footy for 1.5 quarters no different to much of the first half of the year.
This way we can disguise our real intentions and tank whilst giving the supporters some hope for the future regardless of who takes over for the next few years.
Essentially it is about a type of game plan we will play but even more importantly its about the future and the next few seasons.
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Rawlings seems to be able to get SOMETHING out of Schulz at VFL level, so let him have a shot.
because his a VFL player, His at his peak level, thats why his performing, his a top liner VFL Player. Not a AFL player
when given the chance he cant lift to the next level. He crashes into his own forwards at AFL level & doesnot know how to block out defenders for other forwards.
Like McMahon he thinks he can run around the ground & not have a opponant to look after. Another VFL player thats why he was playing VFL for the Bulldogs. They were happy that Richmond took him, they were rewarded for our stupidity of recruiting & developing. the only thing he is good at doing is calling players to run into trams ;D :lol
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What l want to see is Rawlings put some mongrel back into the side, l wanna see Kingy playing again with that fire in the belly. some tuff football, a little biff. ;D
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What l want to see is Rawlings put some mongrel back into the side, l wanna see Kingy playing again with that fire in the belly. some tuff football, a little biff. ;D
Kingy will get a game. to improve his "'currency""
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What l want to see is Rawlings put some mongrel back into the side, l wanna see Kingy playing again with that fire in the belly. some tuff football, a little biff. ;D
Kingy will get a game. to improve his "'currency""
his still under contract till end 2010 so they may as well give us some excitement, noticed him sitting next to Rawlings at the game ;D l reckon his good value
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What l want to see is Rawlings put some mongrel back into the side, l wanna see Kingy playing again with that fire in the belly. some tuff football, a little biff. ;D
Your not advocating abit of thuggery now are you monk ;D You dont seem like that type of bloke :cheers
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What l want to see is Rawlings put some mongrel back into the side, l wanna see Kingy playing again with that fire in the belly. some tuff football, a little biff. ;D
Your not advocating abit of thuggery now are you monk ;D You dont seem like that type of bloke :cheers
exactly the person l am. played it very hard in my day & like to see more of it, best game l seen this year was Barry Hall vs West Coast ;D they were poo scared of him
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exactly the person l am. played it very hard in my day
Those bowls players are really tough :rollin
Go champ :lol
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exactly the person l am. played it very hard in my day
Those bowls players are really tough :rollin
Go champ :lol
use your soap you silly girl
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exactly the person l am. played it very hard in my day
Those bowls players are really tough :rollin
Go champ :lol
have to say though, thats funny, no offence there Monk, :thumbsup
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I would like him to never allow Simmo, Mcmahon, Brown, JON and Johnson to wear Yellow and Black EVER again.
Secondly i want them replaced by Vickery, Post, Gourdis with Mcguane moved to F/Forward, Alongside Jack and Morton.
This is your time try something different and come Thursday i will know weather this football club is going anywhere when the team sheet is released.
First step was to get rid of TW, second step is to pick a team for our future and FFS those players above plus a dozen more are not the answer.
PLAY THE KIDS FFS AND IF THEY WIN SO BE IT BUT eff THESE OLD PRICKS......THEY ARE NOT OUR FUTURE
You don't have to use offensive language & yell at people to get your point across :banghead 'just talk sense' :)
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What do you want to see most from Rawlings regarding gamestyle?
The players running hard up the ground, supporting each other in pairs and threes, driving the ball deep into the forward line and hitting quality forwards who can kick goals most times.
I must be old, but isn't that how Tommy Hafey coached?
AND IT STILL WORKS TODAY.
Don't think about it, JUST BLOODY DO IT.
Speak softly Jade, but wield a BLOODY BIG STICK.
TARGETS boys, its that bloody simple. HIT THE BLOODY TARGET or be hit - HARD.
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I would like him to never allow Simmo, Mcmahon, Brown, JON and Johnson to wear Yellow and Black EVER again.
Secondly i want them replaced by Vickery, Post, Gourdis with Mcguane moved to F/Forward, Alongside Jack and Morton.
This is your time try something different and come Thursday i will know weather this football club is going anywhere when the team sheet is released.
First step was to get rid of TW, second step is to pick a team for our future and FFS those players above plus a dozen more are not the answer.
PLAY THE KIDS FFS AND IF THEY WIN SO BE IT BUT eff THESE OLD PRICKS......THEY ARE NOT OUR FUTURE
Daniel,
I was actually finding myself agreeing with you, which would be a first. Then you had to go and wreck the post by yelling and the use of foul language. what started out as a good post turned into rubish by your immaturity.
I still like the idea of giving McGuane a run in the fwd line.
Also give Vickery a run there as well, he played up forward as well as ruck in the TAC cup and kicked some very nice goals. He could become a permanent forward if Gus and Browne come along in the ruck.
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I would like to see a more EFFICIENT game plan.
Richmonds Disposals per goal average is the second highest in the competition.Only Melbourne is higher.
Richmond 31.6 disposals per goal
Compare that to the Big Boys
Western Bulldogs 23.4
Geelong 25.0
St Kilda 25.8
Carlton 24.7
Brisbane 25.5
Most of all I just want to see a game plan that does not High light our lack of skill.
Yes please :thumbsup
No more up and under floaters and more longer goals. Get a Tiger player 40m+ out and we seem to miss more than most sides.
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Running
Goals
Tall Forwards
Goals From Set Shots
Running Offensively
Running Defensively
Maning Up
Run
Run
Run
Run
Support
One Percenters
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I would love to see teammates play for one another, support one another, fight for one another. I haven't seen that since Wayne Campbell came into bat when Libba hit Knights all those years ago.
When Cousins got smashed by Cloke in the first game this season and NO-ONE came to his aid (except Bowden about 5 minutes too late) I said, "Welcome to the Tigers mate, no support or care about your fellow teamate here!" I can only wonder what he was thinking.
P.S For all those who want Schultz to play ???. I'm sorry but I dont agree at all. I would be Very suprised if he plays another senior game. He is a VFL player at best.
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I would love to see teammates play for one another, support one another, fight for one another. I haven't seen that since Wayne Campbell came into bat when Libba hit Knights all those years ago.
When Cousins got smashed by Cloke in the first game this season and NO-ONE came to his aid (except Bowden about 5 minutes too late) I said, "Welcome to the Tigers mate, no support or care about your fellow teamate here!" I can only wonder what he was thinking.
P.S For all those who want Schultz to play ???. I'm sorry but I dont agree at all. I would be Very suprised if he plays another senior game. He is a VFL player at best.
i wouldnt be too suprised, having dominated in the team he coaches at VFL Im certain rawlo may reserve his own judgement on him rather than consign everyone on their performance under the failed wallace regime...that would be absurd actually being pointless in installing a NEW coach at all :shh
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Can't really see the game plan changing as such, you can't change a game plan overnight, only the players can change the way they play following the plan.
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......... you can't change a game plan overnight, only the players can change the way they play following the plan.
Disagree with that WAT. I believe you can fundamentally change it overnight. All clubs have (supposedly) a number of plans to cope with changing scenarios over the course of a match and as professionals the players are expected to be able to flick between these at any given time. Rawlings is talking up a simple, attacking style and that is not exactly alien or rocket science to any senior player in either concept or capacity to implement. I think that our players have been struggling with 'hearing' and following a flawed game plan and the wheels have well and truly come off as a result of that. I think it is well within any team, especially our team in these circumstances, to change mid season and I believe our list is crying out to hear a new message. Only time will tell if the intent within the group is genuine because the capacity is certainly there.
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......... you can't change a game plan overnight, only the players can change the way they play following the plan.
Disagree with that WAT. I believe you can fundamentally change it overnight. All clubs have (supposedly) a number of plans to cope with changing scenarios over the course of a match and as professionals the players are expected to be able to flick between these at any given time. Rawlings is talking up a simple, attacking style and that is not exactly alien or rocket science to any senior player in either concept or capacity to implement. I think that our players have been struggling with 'hearing' and following a flawed game plan and the wheels have well and truly come off as a result of that. I think it is well within any team, especially our team in these circumstances, to change mid season and I believe our list is crying out to hear a new message. Only time will tell if the intent within the group is genuine because the capacity is certainly there.
:clapping :thumbsup post ol smokey
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......... you can't change a game plan overnight, only the players can change the way they play following the plan.
Disagree with that WAT. I believe you can fundamentally change it overnight. All clubs have (supposedly) a number of plans to cope with changing scenarios over the course of a match and as professionals the players are expected to be able to flick between these at any given time. Rawlings is talking up a simple, attacking style and that is not exactly alien or rocket science to any senior player in either concept or capacity to implement. I think that our players have been struggling with 'hearing' and following a flawed game plan and the wheels have well and truly come off as a result of that. I think it is well within any team, especially our team in these circumstances, to change mid season and I believe our list is crying out to hear a new message. Only time will tell if the intent within the group is genuine because the capacity is certainly there.
You probably need to quote the rest of my post too Smokey. If the game plan changes Rawlings needs to make sure the players can handle the plan he changes it too. If he changes it to a one on one, run and carry through the centre do we have the players to execute this style. I doubt we do because we do not have the skill level do we and if we do we seem to lose it half way through the game. Many professional ex coaches and players have already come out saying that they expect very little change to the plan as it would be too hard to execute at this stage in the season and the players would not cope with it.
Regardless of how many plans there is or was it doesn't seem like we could play any of them well and now we will add another 2 or 3, how will the players cope then.
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......... you can't change a game plan overnight, only the players can change the way they play following the plan.
Disagree with that WAT. I believe you can fundamentally change it overnight. All clubs have (supposedly) a number of plans to cope with changing scenarios over the course of a match and as professionals the players are expected to be able to flick between these at any given time. Rawlings is talking up a simple, attacking style and that is not exactly alien or rocket science to any senior player in either concept or capacity to implement. I think that our players have been struggling with 'hearing' and following a flawed game plan and the wheels have well and truly come off as a result of that. I think it is well within any team, especially our team in these circumstances, to change mid season and I believe our list is crying out to hear a new message. Only time will tell if the intent within the group is genuine because the capacity is certainly there.
You probably need to quote the rest of my post too Smokey. If the game plan changes Rawlings needs to make sure the players can handle the plan he changes it too. If he changes it to a one on one, run and carry through the centre do we have the players to execute this style. I doubt we do because we do not have the skill level do we and if we do we seem to lose it half way through the game. Many professional ex coaches and players have already come out saying that they expect very little change to the plan as it would be too hard to execute at this stage in the season and the players would not cope with it.
Regardless of how many plans there is or was it doesn't seem like we could play any of them well and now we will add another 2 or 3, how will the players cope then.
Not sure how omitting your opening "Can't really see the game plan changing as such" changed the context of what you said or my reply but anyway.
You believe you can't change a game plan overnight - I believe you can. There are many reasons that a game plan fails but some of the main ones are that the players don't like it/don't understand it/don't trust it/aren't built for it. Changing the game plan does not necessitate reams of paper and weeks of training drills - it can be as simple as shifting the focus on elements of the existing plan. Rawlings has already indicated a change to a simpler game plan and focus on younger players - we have already demonstrated a quite lethal capacity to score quickly and heavily with our younger players playing to a simple attacking plan. These 2 things tell me that the capacity is well within this group to turn things around. I also think the deficiencies in our skill level are a bit of 'chicken and the egg'. Does our game plan fail because our skills are sub-standard or do our skills fail because we are playing the wrong game plan? On 3 occasions this year - once against the best side in the competition - we have kicked 8 goals in a quarter and not a deficient skill to be found. On many other occasions we have had horrendous quarters with many turnovers - do you believe skills appear and disappear because the players are not skillful in the first place or maybe because of other causal influences? My opinion is that the skills are largely in place but the confidence in the game plan and team mates are not, hence the wild fluctuations but, as I said - just my opinion - I'm a glass half full kind of person.
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the reasons this year we can kick goals unanswered and the skills look good mainly because the other team had a lapse in concentration and forgot to hit 'em hard. Once those teams got the spray and started to hit us hard we always crumble.
Like I said before we need the team to play for one another, support, they should be prepared to get fined or even weeks for one another if needs be. At this stage these guys dont think their teamate are in their corner and willing to sacrifice his game for the sack of others. Theyre all playing selfish footy at the moment.
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Ok Smokey we will just see what happens Saturday night, all I am saying is if Rawlings "tinckers" with the current game plan too much we could come unstuck in a big way when we can least afford it.
This game is a must win for us and we should actually be penning this one in, I hope whatever Rawlings has in mind comes off but if it doesn't... well just imagine.
For the record it wasn't the opening of my post it was the last part of my second post.
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Ok Smokey we will just see what happens Saturday night, all I am saying is if Rawlings "tinckers" with the current game plan too much we could come unstuck in a big way when we can least afford it.
More so than we already have? ;D
This game is a must win for us and we should actually be penning this one in, I hope whatever Rawlings has in mind comes off but if it doesn't... well just imagine.
I imagine the tanking brigade will be very happy chappies!! ;D
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:whistle :yep
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Ok Smokey we will just see what happens Saturday night, all I am saying is if Rawlings "tinckers" with the current game plan too much we could come unstuck in a big way when we can least afford it.
More so than we already have? ;D
Yes way more have a look at our history.
This game is a must win for us and we should actually be penning this one in, I hope whatever Rawlings has in mind comes off but if it doesn't... well just imagine.
I imagine the tanking brigade will be very happy chappies!! ;D
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If we play a style of game like what Coburg does I will be very happy indeed ;D
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If we play a style of game like what Coburg does I will be very happy indeed ;D
my sentiments exactly WP :pray
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Maybe Rawlings has the game plan and players to adapt the game plan at VFL level.............. will it work at AFL level with the players he has there and the players he will be against???
Devils advocate thats all.
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More speed and aggression in the midfield.
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More speed and aggression in the midfield.
Where from?? Have we just recruited and FA-18 fighter jet, this is what I dont think a lot of you are understanding, how are we going to be quicker. I get it lets play Lids, Foley, Tuck, Collins, Tambling & Cotchin in the midfield drom the bounce, within 25 minutes they will be stuffed.
We dont have the cattle to play this imaginary game plan that Rawlings is bringing to the club, because we do not have the back up players to execute it..... :banghead
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Maybe Rawlings has the game plan and players to adapt the game plan at VFL level.............. will it work at AFL level with the players he has there and the players he will be against???
Devils advocate thats all.
Well it worksfor the Bombers, Doggies and Geelong :thumbsup
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Maybe Rawlings has the game plan and players to adapt the game plan at VFL level.............. will it work at AFL level with the players he has there and the players he will be against???
Devils advocate thats all.
Well it worksfor the Bombers, Doggies and Geelong :thumbsup
Mmmmm, not sold yet WP, hope the hell it does but not sold yet.
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Maybe Rawlings has the game plan and players to adapt the game plan at VFL level.............. will it work at AFL level with the players he has there and the players he will be against???
Devils advocate thats all.
Well it worksfor the Bombers, Doggies and Geelong :thumbsup
we are Richmond, We are so far behind in development than these clubs ;D thats why it worked for them
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we are Richmond, We are so far behind in development than these clubs ;D thats why it worked for them
No doubt we are Monk but it is worth a try and when it comes off it is great footy to watch :thumbsup
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More speed and aggression in the midfield.
Where from?? Have we just recruited and FA-18 fighter jet, this is what I dont think a lot of you are understanding, how are we going to be quicker. I get it lets play Lids, Foley, Tuck, Collins, Tambling & Cotchin in the midfield drom the bounce, within 25 minutes they will be stuffed.
We dont have the cattle to play this imaginary game plan that Rawlings is bringing to the club, because we do not have the back up players to execute it..... :banghead
The air force only has PC9s based in Perth. The Hornets (Mach 1.2)aren't as quick as the good old Mirage(Mach 2.1), and they don't get over to Perth very often.
The Hornets came out of the oven in Melbourne in the mid 80's, just like lots of quick footballers.
But I'd rather have a Mirage in our midfield than a Hornet and one will be back from injury in a few weeks. Especially one made in WA and out of the oven in Melbourne.
Victorians understand that "More speed and aggression in the midfield." doesn't mean putting all fast players in there at once, just rotate the fastest and most aggressive guys through there. It shouldn't take too much longer for the West Aussies to catch up with the real footy states though.
I don't think that Jade has an imaginary game plan. I am sure his game plan is REAL and based on his knowledge of the players at Richmond and of the game in general. We will see this style demolish the Weagles this weekend.
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nice analogy, now thats thinking outside the square
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nice analogy, now thats thinking outside the square
I'm glad someone could understand it.
:lol
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More speed and aggression in the midfield.
Victorians understand that "More speed and aggression in the midfield." doesn't mean putting all fast players in there at once, just rotate the fastest and most aggressive guys through there. It shouldn't take too much longer for the West Aussies to catch up with the real footy states though.
Don't treat me like a fool Ekto, go and read my post again, we don't have the the class of player to continually rotate them through the midfield like the other sides do..... THAT IS WHAT I AM SAYING, IS IT LOUD AND CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU??? The class of players and the depth that other clubs have mean that at some stage during the roations we will be hammered in the centre because we cannot match the opositions rotating players that are of a higher class. For us to beat them there our main midfielders would have to stay there all game and they would run out of puff. You are 2 hours ahead over there so stop acting so backward.
By the way anything you say about WA I will only agree with as I have said before. I lived over there for many years and I would rather be there than here so move on.
Edited to correct quote
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nice analogy, now thats thinking outside the square
I'm glad someone could understand it.
:lol
I am just glad you actually thought you finally understood something... :lol..... but you didn't.... :whistle
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We still went back into old bad habits in the 2nd and 3rd quarters (basic disposals errors, stopped running as a team, and too much stagnate short kick and mark play coming out of the backline) but I thought our entries from the midfield into our forward line looked better last night even with our lack of genuine tall key forward targets. At least we tried kicking to the right and most dangerous spots most of the night and to the advantage side of our forwards. Granted there was little midfield pressure from the Eagles but our first quarter passing inside 50 was faultless :o. We still didn't get it inside 50 enough after quarter time (we had 8 less forward entries all up) but you can't solve all our deficiencies in one week. I could be wrong but I thought I saw some shepherding out there last night too lol although still not enough. At least the cubs took the game on for most of the night.
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one thing.
Get as many players forward of the ball as possible.
Roll the dice.
Will spew if I see 16 players sitting in D 50 behind the ball like in the 3rd quarter last night, that teaches them NOTHING
well done jade.
On most occassions when we went forward, we had players inside F 50, :thumbsup
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I thought we started brilliantly in the first quarter, but that had just as much to do with the Eagles playing like witches hats
The win was pretty unconvincing really, we managed to scrape a win against a side that should be renamed the West Coast Shermans
I suggest the result would have been the same with Wallace in charge
The next 4 weeks will be pretty telling
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I thought we started brilliantly in the first quarter, but that had just as much to do with the Eagles playing like witches hats
The win was pretty unconvincing really, we managed to scrape a win against a side that should be renamed the West Coast Shermans
I suggest the result would have been the same with Wallace in charge
The next 4 weeks will be pretty telling
Do you actually go and watch games of football ::)
The style and game plan was totally different.
Unconvincing win :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
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I suggest the result would have been the same with Wallace in charge
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The style and game plan was totally different.
I'm with you on this one Jack. I thought 2 things stood out:
1. Our attitude to working for our teammates (including pressuring the opposition), and
2. Our go-forward gameplan (or rather lack of go-back).
Yes, we still made mistakes and we still reverted to go-back a few times but to me these 2 changes were glaringly obvious. I really don't give a rat's if we lose every game for the rest of the season as long as we make or attempt these type of culture shifts.
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I thought we started brilliantly in the first quarter, but that had just as much to do with the Eagles playing like witches hats
The win was pretty unconvincing really, we managed to scrape a win against a side that should be renamed the West Coast Shermans
I suggest the result would have been the same with Wallace in charge
The next 4 weeks will be pretty telling
Do you actually go and watch games of football ::)
The style and game plan was totally different.
Unconvincing win :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
You're telling me that a 2 goal win over a team who hasn't won away from Subiaco for 16 games is impressive?
Our first quarter was impressive, the win wasn't
As I said in my previous post, the real test will be the next 4 weeks, as we will not be playing a team that's tanking. Just being competitive against the Saints will be a start.
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I thought we started brilliantly in the first quarter, but that had just as much to do with the Eagles playing like witches hats
The win was pretty unconvincing really, we managed to scrape a win against a side that should be renamed the West Coast Shermans
I suggest the result would have been the same with Wallace in charge
The next 4 weeks will be pretty telling
Do you actually go and watch games of football ::)
The style and game plan was totally different.
Unconvincing win :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
You're telling me that a 2 goal win over a team who hasn't won away from Subiaco for 16 games is impressive?
Our first quarter was impressive, the win wasn't
As I said in my previous post, the real test will be the next 4 weeks, as we will not be playing a team that's tanking. Just being competitive against the Saints will be a start.
Read the topic titile.
The was a big difference last night, Or didnt you go. ::)
Always players inside F 50, thus we didnt kick short and go sideways
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definately more focus on workrate and defensive pressure, and that started at selection on THURS night :clapping
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I thought we started brilliantly in the first quarter, but that had just as much to do with the Eagles playing like witches hats
The win was pretty unconvincing really, we managed to scrape a win against a side that should be renamed the West Coast Shermans
I suggest the result would have been the same with Wallace in charge
The next 4 weeks will be pretty telling
It might not have been convincing but in a Wallace coached side it had "Eagles to run over the top and get a win" written all over it. But instead of dropping our heads we fought for the victory. And got it. Ugly or not, we got it.
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I thought we started brilliantly in the first quarter, but that had just as much to do with the Eagles playing like witches hats
The win was pretty unconvincing really, we managed to scrape a win against a side that should be renamed the West Coast Shermans
I suggest the result would have been the same with Wallace in charge
The next 4 weeks will be pretty telling
Fair call....Richmond averaged 31 disposals per goal last night which was what we did under Wallace.
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I thought we started brilliantly in the first quarter, but that had just as much to do with the Eagles playing like witches hats
The win was pretty unconvincing really, we managed to scrape a win against a side that should be renamed the West Coast Shermans
I suggest the result would have been the same with Wallace in charge
The next 4 weeks will be pretty telling
It might not have been convincing but in a Wallace coached side it had "Eagles to run over the top and get a win" written all over it. But instead of dropping our heads we fought for the victory. And got it. Ugly or not, we got it.
You mean like our win against Freo?
Sorry I just don't think last night showed much more than the usual 1st game for replacement coach win. We didn't beat much and we still didn't play a full 4 quarters of quality football. I don't expect miracles, I also don't think we should get ahead of ourselves either. The usual suspects would be happy with anything to do with Wallace not coaching any more, so of course they are going to be going on like its the 2nd coming.
If we play like we did in the 1st quarter for the rest of the season then great, however the same thing was said in regards to quarters of football under Wallace too.
I was more impressed with Rawlings changes during the week than the actual game. Credit where credit is due, he won the game with predominantly a team of kids. I'm by no means writing him off, just trying to keep things in perspective.
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I thought we started brilliantly in the first quarter, but that had just as much to do with the Eagles playing like witches hats
The win was pretty unconvincing really, we managed to scrape a win against a side that should be renamed the West Coast Shermans
I suggest the result would have been the same with Wallace in charge
The next 4 weeks will be pretty telling
It might not have been convincing but in a Wallace coached side it had "Eagles to run over the top and get a win" written all over it. But instead of dropping our heads we fought for the victory. And got it. Ugly or not, we got it.
You mean like our win against Freo?
Sorry I just don't think last night showed much more than the usual 1st game for replacement coach win. We didn't beat much and we still didn't play a full 4 quarters of quality football. I don't expect miracles, I also don't think we should get ahead of ourselves either. The usual suspects would be happy with anything to do with Wallace not coaching any more, so of course they are going to be going on like its the 2nd coming.
If we play like we did in the 1st quarter for the rest of the season then great, however the same thing was said in regards to quarters of football under Wallace too.
I was more impressed with Rawlings changes during the week than the actual game. Credit where credit is due, he won the game with predominantly a team of kids. I'm by no means writing him off, just trying to keep things in perspective.
one thing about Rawlings i ntoiced every time a player made an error. Immediately dragged. Nahas, Jack and Edwards are 3 players who were dragged straight away after insipid efforts.
I love that stuff.....something wallet rarely did till it was too late.
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I thought we started brilliantly in the first quarter, but that had just as much to do with the Eagles playing like witches hats
The win was pretty unconvincing really, we managed to scrape a win against a side that should be renamed the West Coast Shermans
I suggest the result would have been the same with Wallace in charge
The next 4 weeks will be pretty telling
It might not have been convincing but in a Wallace coached side it had "Eagles to run over the top and get a win" written all over it. But instead of dropping our heads we fought for the victory. And got it. Ugly or not, we got it.
You mean like our win against Freo?
If you would like to pick that one outlier out of the group of Essendon, Geelong, Brisbane, Port Adelaide and Sydney capitulations when a team made a run, yeah why not.
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I thought we started brilliantly in the first quarter, but that had just as much to do with the Eagles playing like witches hats
The win was pretty unconvincing really, we managed to scrape a win against a side that should be renamed the West Coast Shermans
I suggest the result would have been the same with Wallace in charge
The next 4 weeks will be pretty telling
It might not have been convincing but in a Wallace coached side it had "Eagles to run over the top and get a win" written all over it. But instead of dropping our heads we fought for the victory. And got it. Ugly or not, we got it.
my sentiments exactly :thumbsup
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We were sitting there last night and a couple of commented after the 1st qtr "gee we played like Coburg", Another friend said who never watches Coburg "I like it" :thumbsup
yeah we still stuffed things up but gee it was great to see some competitive spirit, attacks on the football by the majority as oppsed to the minority, defensvie pressure over all parts of the ground (especially fwd) and no dropping of heads when things got tough.
It was a different mind set, a different game style (much simpler) - we switched play when we needed to and then went long and direct to the forward line with multiple options presenting ....
Certainly it was only the Eagles but a win, playing an attractive brand of footy with a team of kids is something to be happy about
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I thought we started brilliantly in the first quarter, but that had just as much to do with the Eagles playing like witches hats
The win was pretty unconvincing really, we managed to scrape a win against a side that should be renamed the West Coast Shermans
I suggest the result would have been the same with Wallace in charge
The next 4 weeks will be pretty telling
It might not have been convincing but in a Wallace coached side it had "Eagles to run over the top and get a win" written all over it. But instead of dropping our heads we fought for the victory. And got it. Ugly or not, we got it.
You mean like our win against Freo?
If you would like to pick that one outlier out of the group of Essendon, Geelong, Brisbane, Port Adelaide and Sydney capitulations when a team made a run, yeah why not.
All the above are better sides than Freo & West Coast Tankers
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Not the everyone behind the ball crap we saw tonight :help. Jade may have just cost himself the job next year. Not because we got flogged which isn't unexpected as the Saints are in another league but the negative way the team structured up. No point focussing on defence when you're can't score yourself.
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we were never going to win tonight but what lesson did our pile of kids learn tonight? It was embarrassing to watch a team stream up forward then stop as no one was ahead of the ball! Not good jade! But ill wait on other games before i pass judgement and at least we kept the pressure up
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Not the everyone behind the ball crap we saw tonight :help. Jade may have just cost himself the job next year. Not because we got flogged which isn't unexpected as the Saints are in another league but the negative way the team structured up. No point focussing on defence when you're can't score yourself.
Totaly agree there MT.
If he dishes the crap up we witnessed tonight, there is some chance we will be looking yet another caretaker coach in upcoming weeks
Dont know what he was thinking tonight :banghead :banghead :banghead
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im glad Jade dished up that tonight because now we know he CANT COACH and should not get the gig.
Next!!!
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A half forward line would be good start
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A half forward line would be good start
Lids :shh ;)
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Totaly agree there MT.
If he dishes the crap up we witnessed tonight, there is some chance we will be looking yet another caretaker coach in upcoming weeks
Dont know what he was thinking tonight :banghead :banghead :banghead
What was he thinking? .... perhaps... why dont they follow instructions :cheers
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Why the calls to sack the caretaker coach?
He's playing the kids, we wont end up ninth and we will get a high draft pick.
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Why the calls to sack the caretaker coach?
He's playing the kids, we wont end up ninth and we will get a high draft pick.
Good point you make Chuck
I thought all the pro-tankers wanted the kids played and losses for the remainder of the season....
Wouldn't think they'd ask for anything more than what we got tonight :rollin
If you want to tank - then you don't get a say in how the result is achieved IMHO because you're getting what you wanted
it is people like yours truly who is anti-tank - that should ranting like a lunatic and doing this :banghead :banghead
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im glad Jade dished up that tonight because now we know he CANT COACH and should not get the gig.
Next!!!
so did you ever think he was a serious candidate? if you only came to this realisation tonight i am alittle disappointed in you Daniel161. Because i thought you were of the few here that see it as it is and tell us so.
how could Richmond ever truly progress under a coach like Rawlings?
When a REAL coach comes in and makes TRUE CHANGE, it will be easy to know he will succeed, because the majority of posters on this sight will be upset with him. :lol :lol :lol
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Totaly agree there MT.
If he dishes the crap up we witnessed tonight, there is some chance we will be looking yet another caretaker coach in upcoming weeks
Dont know what he was thinking tonight :banghead :banghead :banghead
What was he thinking? .... perhaps... why dont they follow instructions :cheers
Totally different structure to the previous week, it was crap.
Was listening to Wallace driving home on SEN and even he bagged him ::)
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Why the calls to sack the caretaker coach?
He's playing the kids, we wont end up ninth and we will get a high draft pick.
Happy with the team selected minus Hislop, Edwards and JON.
happy with the loss no issue from me there.
Not happy with the style played and the margin
Thats the difference but ill take the loss in fact i have never gone into a season Post round 1 not giving a flying stuff if we win or not as i do now.
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im glad Jade dished up that tonight because now we know he CANT COACH and should not get the gig.
Next!!!
so did you ever think he was a serious candidate? if you only came to this realisation tonight i am alittle disappointed in you Daniel161. Because i thought you were of the few here that see it as it is and tell us so.
how could Richmond ever truly progress under a coach like Rawlings?
When a REAL coach comes in and makes TRUE CHANGE, it will be easy to know he will succeed, because the majority of posters on this sight will be upset with him. :lol :lol :lol
Jade Rawlings worried me when he became caretaker. Why??
because our club has been down this road before and sorry jade but your not the answer mate. Too soft for my liking.
Could you imagine if Jade won 6 out of the next 8 we finish with a flurry and then another geesh appears. We sign him up for another 3 years.
Very easily could happen because only at RFC they tend to go through the whole process only to hire someone internally. Another reason why we get laughed at by the wider community.
You speak of true change i only see a Bucks/Malthouse who will not allow rubbish like Hislop/Edwards/JON/Schulz/Mcmahon/ ever to wear yellow and black again as being what we need not softies like Rawlings.
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When a REAL coach comes in and makes TRUE CHANGE,
What true change can this real coach make? There is a serious lack of quality footballers at RFC and that wont be changed overnight, we went through one mini rebuild with TW and now it looks like another deeper one is needed. I think we are years away from being consistently competitive whether we get a real coach or not.
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When a REAL coach comes in and makes TRUE CHANGE,
What true change can this real coach make? There is a serious lack of quality footballers at RFC and that wont be changed overnight, we went through one mini rebuild with TW and now it looks like another deeper one is needed. I think we are years away from being consistently competitive whether we get a real coach or not.
your kidding right???
True change can begin NO MORE TRADING AWAY DRAFT PICKS.
true change can begin with, when an opportunity comes to trade away one of our own, TAKE IT WITH OPEN ARMS like hold them till they are worthless i.e Petrified, Schulz,
true change can begin with a REBUILD not a baby rebuild like the clueless Wallet instilled on this team.
True change can begin with saying goodbye forever to JON, Schulz, Edwards, Mcmahon plus most of the good time oldies.
Its not hard but that is a damm good start wouldn't you say.
True change can begin with a discipline of "IF YOU CANT KICK, YOUR OUT OF THE RFC"
IF YOU CANT TACKLE, SEE ABOVE.
watch the pies mate they are so well drilled its not funny.
WATCH HARRY O'S GOAL ON THE WING BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY WATCH SHANE O'BREE STANDING BY HIM SIDE BY SIDE. THATS A REAL CLUB.
The day we start leading the tackle count and other 1%% is the day we might actually make the 8
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When a REAL coach comes in and makes TRUE CHANGE,
What true change can this real coach make? There is a serious lack of quality footballers at RFC and that wont be changed overnight, we went through one mini rebuild with TW and now it looks like another deeper one is needed. I think we are years away from being consistently competitive whether we get a real coach or not.
your kidding right???
True change can begin NO MORE TRADING AWAY DRAFT PICKS.
true change can begin with, when an opportunity comes to trade away one of our own, TAKE IT WITH OPEN ARMS like hold them till they are worthless i.e Petrified, Schulz,
true change can begin with a REBUILD not a baby rebuild like the clueless Wallet instilled on this team.
True change can begin with saying goodbye forever to JON, Schulz, Edwards, Mcmahon plus most of the good time oldies.
Its not hard but that is a damm good start wouldn't you say.
True change can begin with a discipline of "IF YOU CANT KICK, YOUR OUT OF THE RFC"
IF YOU CANT TACKLE, SEE ABOVE.
watch the pies mate they are so well drilled its not funny.
WATCH HARRY O'S GOAL ON THE WING BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY WATCH SHANE O'BREE STANDING BY HIM SIDE BY SIDE. THATS A REAL CLUB.
The day we start leading the tackle count and other 1%% is the day we might actually make the 8
Agree with the sentiment, a lot of what you mentioned is valid however my point is it wont hapen in the short term. As you mentioned a major rebuild is needed, a new coach can make the changes but will not see the benefits for what three or so years. And the big question is will a new coach last three years with no success at the RFC, will the RFC, supporters and media support a coach with a win ration in the 30% for a three year period.
We can get rid of the players who cant tackle and cant kick and dont play team footy but who do you replace them with, the answer ATM is footballers with the same shortfalls.
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When a REAL coach comes in and makes TRUE CHANGE,
What true change can this real coach make? There is a serious lack of quality footballers at RFC and that wont be changed overnight, we went through one mini rebuild with TW and now it looks like another deeper one is needed. I think we are years away from being consistently competitive whether we get a real coach or not.
your kidding right???
True change can begin NO MORE TRADING AWAY DRAFT PICKS.
true change can begin with, when an opportunity comes to trade away one of our own, TAKE IT WITH OPEN ARMS like hold them till they are worthless i.e Petrified, Schulz,
true change can begin with a REBUILD not a baby rebuild like the clueless Wallet instilled on this team.
True change can begin with saying goodbye forever to JON, Schulz, Edwards, Mcmahon plus most of the good time oldies.
Its not hard but that is a damm good start wouldn't you say.
True change can begin with a discipline of "IF YOU CANT KICK, YOUR OUT OF THE RFC"
IF YOU CANT TACKLE, SEE ABOVE.
watch the pies mate they are so well drilled its not funny.
WATCH HARRY O'S GOAL ON THE WING BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY WATCH SHANE O'BREE STANDING BY HIM SIDE BY SIDE. THATS A REAL CLUB.
The day we start leading the tackle count and other 1%% is the day we might actually make the 8
Excellent post. :thumbsup :clapping :clapping :cheers
much better Daniel161. I now consider that you too are ONE of the few enlightened ones on this forum.
The other majority are in LA LA LAND. :help
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Excellent post. :thumbsup :clapping :clapping :cheers
much better Daniel161. I now consider that you too are ONE of the few enlightened ones on this forum.
The other majority are in LA LA LAND. :help
Noted and confirmed, Mr Tigra and Daniel are brothers in brainwaves
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Why the calls to sack the caretaker coach?
He's playing the kids, we wont end up ninth and we will get a high draft pick.
Good point you make Chuck
I thought all the pro-tankers wanted the kids played and losses for the remainder of the season....
Wouldn't think they'd ask for anything more than what we got tonight :rollin
If you want to tank - then you don't get a say in how the result is achieved IMHO because you're getting what you wanted
it is people like yours truly who is anti-tank - that should ranting like a lunatic and doing this :banghead :banghead
Meatloaf WP - 2 out of 3 ain't bad it's bloody awful :P lol.
* Playing the kids - tick
* Playing the whole list even if we think some chosen aren't up to it - tick
* Changing the team structure after only a week after a win to one which is ultra-defensive and where everyone is in the back half - cross.
It wasn't that we got flogged that was upsetting. It was the way we played. I'd rather lose kicking 14 goals to their 26 than not score at all for 90 minutes :-X. Not sure how being so defensive is educational for our cubs given the way we played isn't a long-term sustainable team structure. Just let the kids run and play football kicking long quickly to targets up forward.
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Why the calls to sack the caretaker coach?
He's playing the kids, we wont end up ninth and we will get a high draft pick.
Good point you make Chuck
I thought all the pro-tankers wanted the kids played and losses for the remainder of the season....
Wouldn't think they'd ask for anything more than what we got tonight :rollin
If you want to tank - then you don't get a say in how the result is achieved IMHO because you're getting what you wanted
it is people like yours truly who is anti-tank - that should ranting like a lunatic and doing this :banghead :banghead
Meatloaf WP - 2 out of 3 ain't bad it's bloody awful :P lol.
* Playing the kids - tick
* Playing the whole list even if we think some chosen aren't up to it - tick
* Changing the team structure after only a week after a win to one which is ultra-defensive and where everyone is in the back half - cross.
It wasn't that we got flogged that was upsetting. It was the way we played. I'd rather lose kicking 14 goals to their 26 than not score at all for 90 minutes :-X. Not sure how being so defensive is educational for our cubs given the way we played isn't a long-term sustainable team structure. Just let the kids run and play football kicking long quickly to targets up forward.
Hhhmmm. So we didn't prepare to win hey? Sometimes you should be careful what you ask for...........you just might get it.
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Hhhmmm. So we didn't prepare to win hey? Sometimes you should be careful what you ask for...........you just might get it.
That was the problem - we did try to pinch a win by playing a ultra-negative gameplan or at least limit the scoreboard damage by trying to strangle the Saints and then hit them on the counterattack. It worked for almost a quarter while we were fresh and able to run hard to close down the Saints. Once we started to tire the tactic broke down. St Kilda found holes while our scoring totally dried up. We were only able to score in the last when the Saints had the game won and dropped off in their intensity.
I would rather we went head to head with a proper forward structure than play that one-off unsustainable rubbish. With such a young side sure we would've got pumped but nothing was going to prevent that against a mature battle-hardened team that is flying. The tank was never at risk no matter what we did ;) so why not keep the same positive direct style of last week. The last thing a coach should be doing with a young side is changing the gamestyle on a weekly basis and utterly confusing them. That was one of the main criticisms of Plough.
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I would rather we went head to head with a proper forward structure than play that one-off unsustainable rubbish. With such a young side sure we would've got pumped but nothing was going to prevent that against a mature battle-hardened team that is flying. The tank was never at risk no matter what we did ;) so why not keep the same positive direct style of last week. The last thing a coach should be doing with a young side is changing the gamestyle on a weekly basis and utterly confusing them. That was one of the main criticisms of Plough.
I agree with that MT. Preparing to win as above would see us win a few between now and season's end but as you stated - "The tank was never at risk no matter what we did"!! :'(
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Goals Goals Goals Goals Goals Goals Goals Goals Goals Goals Goals Goals Goals Goals Goals Goals Goals
Richmond has only scored over 100 points once. (Fremantle Win)
Richmond has only scored 6 '5 Goals or more in a quarter', which is 15th in the AFL. 1 Goals in front of North Melbourne.
Richmond has conceded 21 '5 Goals or more in a quarter', which is the equal 1st in the AFL, equal with Fremantle.
not good enough!