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Ruanaidh:

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--- Quote from: Stalin on September 23, 2016, 07:45:50 AM ---No meltdown. Cool as a cucumber over here

I just was trying to point out half this country was sent here for stealing a cabbage

Bitch of the poms, now bitch o the seppos. Not quite sure how patriotism is saving us from imperialist inbreds

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A failed attempt at a racist slur....that shows your triggering proclivity. Present some facts to support your arguments and try to bridle your injured ego.

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Prepare for articles from the deep dark internet with no validity and probably contradict itself, but it's important to focus on the part he wants us all to believe

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Often, and apparently wrongly, attributed to  Churchill is the saying: "A young man who isn't a Socialist hasn't got a heart; an old man who is still a Socialist hasn't got a head". These days I would substitute Socialist with SJW.  Reading the history of the Spanish civil war circa 1936 cured me of any Socialist delusions. The great man George Orwell who was a first hand witness articulates his political metamorphism via his analogous novels and first hand accounts from the period.

Personally, I pursued an investigation into liberty movements throughout history and became a Libertarian. Personal freedom, warts and all, is always better than any centralised dictate. The American model underpinned by the Constitution and its Amendments embodies for the most part my position. This is extremely ironic as I railed against the yanks in my youth and rightfully so. They were steered away from their founding traditions by the psychopathic Military Industrial Complex.

I am a strong supporter of Trump who  I see as a step in the right direction. Not because he embodies my beliefs in their entirety but because arriving in his wake there are people who do.😉

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Respectfully, you could have ended up at, more or less, the same conclusion and substituted Bush for Trump.

I see clinton as the lesser of two evils although i wouldnt vote for either.

But i digress.

Do you think this psychopathic military industrial complex has gotton worse over the last 20-30 years? I would also like to ask whos interests do you think they are serving?

Is it still 'we the people'?

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Dooks there is no comparison between Bush and Trump other than the fact that they have both used the GOP as their political vehicle. We all know who the MIC are serving. "Cui Bono" is the key. They have held sway since the end of WW2.

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We'll have agree to disagree on the first sentence. Both for mine were/are more Libertarians than their democratic rivals.

So what is the way to deconstruct the power and influence basis of who the MIC are serving? Would Sanders have beeen the better option through a social democracy and using the taxation system (for example), or does the answer lay more right of the spectrum?

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Yes we will disagree on that characterisation.As for the solution and I  will not be exhaustive as It really is for another thread:
1/ Cease the expeditionary wars which are a Clinton/Bush construct on behalf of the MIC sold as "Liberal Interventions"
2/ Devise a template for all things Military whereby their unison with the best interests of Australian citizens and egalitarianism is tested and fortified.
3/ Cease immigration from areas where inhabitants do not accept secular principles
4/ Remove ourselves from UN agreements.
5/ Develop pacts with countries that represent or aspire to western traditions

That's a start I suppose. I know it only relates to the MIC part of your question but the economics I would recommend needs more time to explain than I can proffer today. Doggies game coming up😀 Needless to say I despise Sanders. He is more dangerous than Killary imo...and that is saying something.

Stalin:

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Joakim Noah says he decided not to attend dinner with cadets last night and doesn't feel comfortable at military academy. Hates war.
9:53 AM - 30 Sep 2016

Yeahright:
http://www.9news.com.au/national/2016/10/01/14/27/man-shot-in-carrum-downs

mightytiges:
Another mass shooting in the US that will be ignored again until the next mass shooting :facepalm.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/shooting-at-texas-baptist-church-in-sutherland-springs-as-police-report-multiple-victims-of-active-gunman/news-story/6ccfe98092c62d2c263ca983df006c57


https://www.vox.com/2015/10/3/9444417/gun-violence-united-states-america

mightytiges:
Another school shooting with 17 dead. They never learn over there.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-15/florida-shooting-17-confirmed-dead-several-people-surgery/9449076

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