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Title: Herald-Sun reminds everyone of our 2005 draft
Post by: one-eyed on February 05, 2011, 02:48:44 AM
Oh happy days :P

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Title: Re: Herald-Sun reminds everyone of our 2005 draft
Post by: Ox on February 05, 2011, 04:14:23 AM
Jarryd Oakley Pickle...... What a malaka.
Title: Re: Herald-Sun reminds everyone of our 2005 draft
Post by: Mr Magic on February 05, 2011, 08:01:53 AM
It would be hilarious if it wasn't us. :wallywink
Title: Re: Herald-Sun reminds everyone of our 2005 draft
Post by: Francois Jackson on February 05, 2011, 09:45:26 AM
Jarrod Oakley Spud

worst player we have ever had



Title: Re: Herald-Sun reminds everyone of our 2005 draft
Post by: gerkin greg on February 05, 2011, 09:53:18 AM
Nice jumper  :cheers

Spoke to Greg Miller the other day and he said he only drafted JOakley because he had a moustache at the age of 13.

As for the other two, one takes banned substances and the other's nickname comes from taking a loaf between someone's breasts  :thumbsup
Title: Re: Herald-Sun reminds everyone of our 2005 draft
Post by: bojangles17 on February 05, 2011, 10:45:54 AM
how bloody skinny are the legs on these duds, could be fooled they are 12yo :-\
Title: Re: Herald-Sun reminds everyone of our 2005 draft
Post by: 10 FLAGS on February 05, 2011, 11:26:10 AM
What on earth were the recruiters thinking  :banghead
Title: Re: Herald-Sun reminds everyone of our 2005 draft
Post by: tony_montana on February 05, 2011, 03:03:49 PM
so how many ppl were excited the day after the draft hearing about the incredible athlete in JON and the AA CHF  - the steamer?  :shh   :lol

bloody embarrassing  :rollin
Title: Re: Herald-Sun reminds everyone of our 2005 draft
Post by: 10 FLAGS on February 05, 2011, 03:25:45 PM
I thought hughes would make it, the other I wasnt hopeful of. That draft was a disaster - and only 3 picks. What a waste of a draft.
Title: Re: Herald-Sun reminds everyone of our 2005 draft
Post by: mightytiges on February 05, 2011, 04:22:59 PM
I thought hughes would make it, the other I wasnt hopeful of. That draft was a disaster - and only 3 picks. What a waste of a draft.
Having and using just 3 picks when we were meant to be in rebuild mode was a disgrace. Same again in 2007 and 2008. It was bad enough we selected duds like JON in the top 10 but our whole recruiting and drafting philosophy was wrong. The Club had no idea what it was doing and no long term planning so it just made it up as went along  :scream. As much as I still believe we should've have tanked in the past two drafts  ;) at least we picked up 7 and then 5 kids in the past two National drafts. Even if half of them fail we'll still end up with 6 AFL standard players rather than none like from 2005.
Title: Re: Herald-Sun reminds everyone of our 2005 draft
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on February 05, 2011, 06:25:03 PM
JON if not the worst Daniel but certainly top 3. He would give the title a shake with Richard Lounder a number 1 pick who was leaning on the goal posts with the ball coming down to the forward line at Waverley.
Title: Re: Herald-Sun reminds everyone of our 2005 draft
Post by: bojangles17 on February 05, 2011, 06:49:02 PM
I'm always hopeful on any draftee until proven otherwise..of the three i really thought that hughes had the necessary talent to make a fist of a league career, sadly he lacked a few other essential qualities ???
Title: Re: Herald-Sun reminds everyone of our 2005 draft
Post by: Francois Jackson on February 05, 2011, 07:32:55 PM
JON if not the worst Daniel but certainly top 3. He would give the title a shake with Richard Lounder a number 1 pick who was leaning on the goal posts with the ball coming down to the forward line at Waverley.

No he is the worst.

Lounder lasted what 4 games and we knew after 1 he was a spud. With Oakleigh Spud, most people knew after 5 minutes.

He was the worst player i seen pull on the yellow and black without a doubt.

Title: Re: Herald-Sun reminds everyone of our 2005 draft
Post by: Coach on February 05, 2011, 07:40:56 PM
Didn't Lounder kick 5.2 in his first game?
Title: Re: Herald-Sun reminds everyone of our 2005 draft
Post by: Francois Jackson on February 05, 2011, 07:49:07 PM
Didn't Lounder kick 5.2 in his first game?

4 goals total or 4 in a game. one of those 2 i think.

At least Oakleigh Spud saved a game against the Bombers, ill give him that
Title: Re: Herald-Sun reminds everyone of our 2005 draft
Post by: Fishfinger on February 05, 2011, 07:54:10 PM
4.2 in his first game.
Not sure how anyone knew he was a spud after one game.  ???
Title: Re: Herald-Sun reminds everyone of our 2005 draft
Post by: Coach on February 05, 2011, 08:07:52 PM
You'd think most people would be a bit impressed if a first year player kicked 4.2 in his 1st outing. I remember reading an article on Lounder once. His old coach wasn't sure if he was good enough to get drafted at all let alone be the first choice  ???

Cleve could have been a good forward if he worked harder and had a bit of grunt. Had nice hands and his kicking was brilliant at times. Oh well, WGAF anyway. He's long gawn now. West Coast seem to think JON has something to offer  :o
Title: Re: Herald-Sun reminds everyone of our 2005 draft
Post by: Francois Jackson on February 05, 2011, 08:24:57 PM
4.2 in his first game.
Not sure how anyone knew he was a spud after one game.  ???

Maybe the fact he weighed 116 kgs.

to be honest i barely remember him i was only about 12 but surely he was too big for AFL football.

Title: Re: Herald-Sun reminds everyone of our 2005 draft
Post by: Mr Magic on February 05, 2011, 09:30:06 PM
Cleve could have been a good forward if he worked harder and had a bit of grunt. Had nice hands and his kicking was brilliant at times. Oh well, WGAF anyway. He's long gawn now.

Didn't Hughes go to Southport in the hope of getting drafted by GC?
The guy was as soft as they come. Good riddance.
Title: Re: Herald-Sun reminds everyone of our 2005 draft
Post by: Coach on February 05, 2011, 09:45:17 PM
Something like that man. They went with Ablett at GC instead :lol Cleve is probably better than him ;D
Title: Re: Herald-Sun reminds everyone of our 2005 draft
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on February 05, 2011, 10:44:04 PM
I heard they didn't even have anyone to check to see if JON was any good. They just heard a rumour and went for it how stupid. Those morons set the club back 10 years. 
Title: Re: Herald-Sun reminds everyone of our 2005 draft
Post by: the claw on February 06, 2011, 12:35:25 AM
I heard they didn't even have anyone to check to see if JON was any good. They just heard a rumour and went for it how stupid. Those morons set the club back 10 years. 
they who are they. oh thats right francis jackson and greg miller. cant be millers fault its common knowledge he argued for varcoe on draft day.
Title: Re: Herald-Sun reminds everyone of our 2005 draft
Post by: Smokey on February 06, 2011, 07:58:18 AM
I heard they didn't even have anyone to check to see if JON was any good. They just heard a rumour and went for it how stupid. Those morons set the club back 10 years. 
they who are they. oh thats right francis jackson and greg miller. cant be millers fault its common knowledge he argued for varcoe on draft day.

So it must be Francis Jackson's fault then?  The man who was a part time scout during 2005 and not appointed to the position of Recruiting Manager until Feb 2006.  Yep, some blind ignorant prejudice right there.   :banghead
Title: Re: Herald-Sun reminds everyone of our 2005 draft
Post by: one-eyed on February 06, 2011, 05:14:17 PM
Wallace (with the twitter name "thelistmanager" lol ??? ) was on SEN earlier this arvo. Basically said he was at three clubs in his time in footy - Hawthorn got their list management 100% spot on and won many flags in the 80s, at the Bulldogs the list management was almost there and we just fell short, and at the Richmond the list management went horribly wrong.

"Hope RFC can get it right with new facilities and B Gale back on board as CEO. 11 of last 12 RFC coaches never coached again."

http://twitter.com/thelistmanager
Title: Re: Herald-Sun reminds everyone of our 2005 draft
Post by: Muscles on February 06, 2011, 07:23:26 PM
Paying attention to the last sentence in the quote about 11 of the last 12 not coaching again, it appears that we've got our coach selection just as bad as our list selection
Title: Re: Herald-Sun reminds everyone of our 2005 draft
Post by: Mr Magic on February 06, 2011, 07:49:11 PM
Funny Wallet. :lol
Title: Re: Herald-Sun reminds everyone of our 2005 draft
Post by: Infamy on February 06, 2011, 09:07:41 PM
I heard they didn't even have anyone to check to see if JON was any good. They just heard a rumour and went for it how stupid. Those morons set the club back 10 years. 
they who are they. oh thats right francis jackson and greg miller. cant be millers fault its common knowledge he argued for varcoe on draft day.

So it must be Francis Jackson's fault then?  The man who was a part time scout during 2005 and not appointed to the position of Recruiting Manager until Feb 2006.  Yep, some blind ignorant prejudice right there.   :banghead
JON was Francis Jackson's pick, I don't know how many times I have to repeat this. He was a part time talent scout for us in 2005 and he was specifically allocated to Western Australia. He came on board full time at the club right before the 2005 draft, however JON was 100% his selection and the rumour that we only saw video highlights of him is complete bullsh!t
Title: Re: Herald-Sun reminds everyone of our 2005 draft
Post by: Smokey on February 06, 2011, 10:28:45 PM
I heard they didn't even have anyone to check to see if JON was any good. They just heard a rumour and went for it how stupid. Those morons set the club back 10 years.  
they who are they. oh thats right francis jackson and greg miller. cant be millers fault its common knowledge he argued for varcoe on draft day.

So it must be Francis Jackson's fault then?  The man who was a part time scout during 2005 and not appointed to the position of Recruiting Manager until Feb 2006.  Yep, some blind ignorant prejudice right there.   :banghead
JON was Francis Jackson's pick, I don't know how many times I have to repeat this. He was a part time talent scout for us in 2005 and he was specifically allocated to Western Australia. He came on board full time at the club right before the 2005 draft, however JON was 100% his selection and the rumour that we only saw video highlights of him is complete bullpoo

Pick or no pick Infamy, a part time scout does not get the final or even primary say at the draft table in anyone's world, especially during the autocratic regime of Miller/Wallace.

And it was announced by the club on Feb 24th 2006 that he would be taking up the full time role from Apr 1st 2006.  How do you say he was full time during 2005?
Title: Re: Herald-Sun reminds everyone of our 2005 draft
Post by: Infamy on February 06, 2011, 11:03:32 PM
Take away all the blame you like, the FACTS are that FJ was in charge of WA that year and JON was his pick.
Given the reduced recruiting resouces we had that year it's not that much of a stretch to suggest that he had a fair amount of pull regarding the decision to pick him.
FJ even joked during the pre-draft night for supporters than if JON became a player then it was his selection, if he failed then it was Millers.

Don't get me wrong, clearly FJ's work since then has been outstanding, however blaming Miller for all the bad picks is the easy (and wrong) way out.
Title: Re: Herald-Sun reminds everyone of our 2005 draft
Post by: Smokey on February 07, 2011, 07:44:48 AM
Take away all the blame you like, the FACTS are that FJ was in charge of WA that year and JON was his pick.
Given the reduced recruiting resouces we had that year it's not that much of a stretch to suggest that he had a fair amount of pull regarding the decision to pick him.
FJ even joked during the pre-draft night for supporters than if JON became a player then it was his selection, if he failed then it was Millers.

Don't get me wrong, clearly FJ's work since then has been outstanding, however blaming Miller for all the bad picks is the easy (and wrong) way out.

Fair enough, but I will still dispute that either or both of Miller and Wallace weren't also responsible.  Jackson might have identified JON as a likely choice but the decision to recruit him would not have been Jackson's alone.
Title: Re: Herald-Sun reminds everyone of our 2005 draft
Post by: wayne on February 07, 2011, 09:13:51 AM
Having and using just 3 picks when we were meant to be in rebuild mode was a disgrace.

Not only that mt, but recruiting Joakley-Nicholls who was an icing on the cake type player, when we didn't even have a cake, just some rotten eggs and weevil infested flour, and the icing was off anyway.
Title: Re: Herald-Sun reminds everyone of our 2005 draft
Post by: Infamy on February 07, 2011, 09:58:59 AM
Having and using just 3 picks when we were meant to be in rebuild mode was a disgrace.

Not only that mt, but recruiting Joakley-Nicholls who was an icing on the cake type player, when we didn't even have a cake, just some rotten eggs and weevil infested flour, and the icing was off anyway.

I know we only picked 3 kids in the National Draft, but we did also select Matt White as an 18 year old in the PSD that year, plus Angus Graham as our first rookie pick.
Title: Re: Herald-Sun reminds everyone of our 2005 draft
Post by: Con65 on February 07, 2011, 11:40:44 AM
Pick 8: Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls

Details:
Club: East Perth
DOB: 9 Feb 88 Hgt: 186cm Wgt: 74kg
Position: Midfielder
Natural Foot: Right

Honours:
Under 16 WA 2004
Under 18’s WA 2005
WAFL Colts Team of Year 2005
2005 AFL Draft Camp Invitee

Statistics:
U18 Championships 2005: 3 games, 1 goal, average 7.3 PPG

Draft Camp Results:
Agility 7.97 sec (1st)
20m sprint 2.85 sec (2nd)

Background:
Oakley Nichols has got all the attributes that a recruiting officer would look for - pace, skill, agility, height, athleticism and dedication. After the WAFL 16s carnival he would have been one of the first picked for the 16s team as he dominated some games playing ruck, full forward, wing, rover and centre half forward. He looked a class above and proved to be one of the hardest players to match up on. In the National 16s carnival he had a good but not awesome carnival as he did in the 18s this year. He played very well in colts level footy and held his own in senior football. His stakes have risen through out the year as more people have seen him, he could develop into a player that people pay money to watch, he plays an exciting brand of football and could be compared to a Robert Murphy type player. Impressed in the agility and 20m sprint tests at draft camp.

Strengths:
- Versatile
- Plays tall and small
- Good Leadership skills and commitment
- Played Senior football which is good considering his light frame

Weaknesses:
- Still pretty skinny may need a year or two in the weights room
- Has not shown full potential in national carnivals
- Has had shoulder and collarbone injuries in past

Footydraft.com comment:
Oozes potential and obviously recruiters have seen it too judging on his growing popularity and draft camp invitation. Is a strong chance to go top 20.

http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=2408.0


Thanks MT for posting this in 2005.  Many forget how good a junior JON was and are happy to bag and bag him. 

If you search most phatom drafts for that year, JON was always going in the first round or so (to be more precise, I should say "in the top 20") as was Cleve.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Title: Re: Herald-Sun reminds everyone of our 2005 draft
Post by: Mr Magic on February 07, 2011, 01:03:08 PM
Not too many mentions re his actual ability with the football there. :-[
Reckon since his recruitment there's been an obvious shift away from guys that are more athlete than footballer towards guy that can kick and make good decisions.
Title: Re: Herald-Sun reminds everyone of our 2005 draft
Post by: Coach on February 07, 2011, 01:04:58 PM
What is PPG? NBA has that for points per game, but don't stuffing tell me that is possessions per game! He averaged 7 touches in the Champs? I see nothing there that warranted a pick in the top 10. Nothing.

Not bagging JON but he clearly wasn't the best choice
Title: Re: Herald-Sun reminds everyone of our 2005 draft
Post by: Penelope on February 07, 2011, 02:48:21 PM
What is PPG? NBA has that for points per game, but don't effing tell me that is possessions per game! He averaged 7 touches in the Champs? I see nothing there that warranted a pick in the top 10. Nothing.

Not bagging JON but he clearly wasn't the best choice

Thought the same thing.

Title: Re: Herald-Sun reminds everyone of our 2005 draft
Post by: mightytiges on February 08, 2011, 02:09:00 AM
PPG is possessions per game. Going by his junior stats, JON would get a decent amount of possies in the WAFL Colts but struggled at any higher level. Fair enough in the WAFL seniors for a teenager but you would've expected a top 10 pick to average more than 7 disposals in the U18 champs.

Pick 8: Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls

Details:
Club: East Perth
DOB: 9 Feb 88 Hgt: 186cm Wgt: 74kg
Position: Midfielder
Natural Foot: Right

Honours:
Under 16 WA 2004
Under 18’s WA 2005
WAFL Colts Team of Year 2005
2005 AFL Draft Camp Invitee

Statistics:
U18 Championships 2005: 3 games, 1 goal, average 7.3 PPG

Draft Camp Results:
Agility 7.97 sec (1st)
20m sprint 2.85 sec (2nd)

Background:
Oakley Nichols has got all the attributes that a recruiting officer would look for - pace, skill, agility, height, athleticism and dedication. After the WAFL 16s carnival he would have been one of the first picked for the 16s team as he dominated some games playing ruck, full forward, wing, rover and centre half forward. He looked a class above and proved to be one of the hardest players to match up on. In the National 16s carnival he had a good but not awesome carnival as he did in the 18s this year. He played very well in colts level footy and held his own in senior football. His stakes have risen through out the year as more people have seen him, he could develop into a player that people pay money to watch, he plays an exciting brand of football and could be compared to a Robert Murphy type player. Impressed in the agility and 20m sprint tests at draft camp.

Strengths:
- Versatile
- Plays tall and small
- Good Leadership skills and commitment
- Played Senior football which is good considering his light frame

Weaknesses:
- Still pretty skinny may need a year or two in the weights room
- Has not shown full potential in national carnivals
- Has had shoulder and collarbone injuries in past

Footydraft.com comment:
Oozes potential and obviously recruiters have seen it too judging on his growing popularity and draft camp invitation. Is a strong chance to go top 20.

http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=2408.0


Thanks MT for posting this in 2005.  Many forget how good a junior JON was and are happy to bag and bag him. 

If you search most phatom drafts for that year, JON was always going in the first round or so (to be more precise, I should say "in the top 20") as was Cleve.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Many internet draft watchers did have JON in their top 20 Con but once seeing his flawed kicking action over the 2006 season I don't know how they did. I didn't see JON play until he arrived at Richmond so I'm not claiming hindsight. I thought at the time the obvious choice was Clark given our need for KPPs but Miller rated Clark on par with Cleve (a late 1st rounder) and so the rest is history.

The question for me is why did draft watchers rate JON so highly? Perhaps it was more to do with the mid-2000s being the era of recruiters falling in love with athletic types rather than natural footballers. The game was becoming more uncontested and many 'experts' including Plough thought the game would become uncontested running football in similar style to Gaelic football. They wanted that "X-factor"  :-\ and JON was seen to fit that type. Richmond supporters have hated that term ever since lol :yep. Thankfully the game hasn't gone completely uncontested and there's been a swing back to favouring natural footballers despite the increase in speed of the game. Especially in finals you need to be able to win your own footy. The more footy evolves the fundamentals of the game still don't.

Some of the other weaknesses JON had were spotted - lack of awareness, low possession count, skinny, not great at tackling - but as Colin Wisbey showed scout/recruiters believed then that these things could be taught  and JON's potential upside and "X-factor" was too good to pass on  :P.

------------------------------------------------
Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls (East Perth)
 
 188/75 bottom-age right foot (has other foot if necessary) outsidish mid / flanker
 
 *STYLE LIKE: Rob Murphy
 
 *MY RANKING (not meant to reflect appropriate draft pick to use): 5
 
 *PROBABILITY OF AFL CAREER: Definite. Ready year 2.
 
 - Within an AFL team list, could prove capable of SUSTAINING a ranking of 5-10.
 
 *HURT FACTORS (Offensive/Defensive/Negative): M-H / M / L
 
 *TRADEMARK:
 
 - Casually pluck the ball out of the air or cleanly off the turf, then an even more effortless (no, make that "cocky") sell-the-dummy, then skim the turf for 30m then accurate fluent kick to a well spotted target.
 
 *SUMMARY ASSESSMENT, RECOMMENDATION:
 
 - Oakley-Nicholls is not a top 5 pick, or even top 10, in a typical year's draft. This year is as light on for obvious top 10 quality as 2000 but at least 2000 had Riewoldt, Didak and Kos who looked to be the clear top 3. I can't see Oakley-Nicholls going top 5 even this year but I rank him at 5 on the basis that:-
 
 1. He has indicated an X-factor upside comparable with Ryder, Varcoe, etc but has the advantage that we have seen O-N's form this year offer greater concrete evidence. Any concerns re any disappointment with O-N not having been more consistent (eg not having played many genuine 4-quarter games) can also be levelled at those others with supposed X-factor upside who follow him in my rankings.
 
 2. He has the tricks to turn a game in one quarter. He is genuinely classy. Clean, silky with a bit of magic.
 
 3. No one after him in my rankings would appear to represent a better all-round package of attributes. Jarrad is a great height for a wing/flank, among other possibilities down the track. He also appears to have a reach advantage (unconfirmed). Reliable kick with high hurt factor. Lightning quick. Can take a huge grab. Excellent evasion. Happy to get his own ball. "Never" flustered. Plays in a manner that suggests he will thrive on AFL centre stage once he has settled in.
 
 4. Only about 3 of the next 15 players in my rankings are similarly reliable all round kicks and probably none of those 3 are quite as good.
 
 5. Despite his speed and silkiness, he wins much more than his share of his own ball - in one-in-one physical tussle contests or inside traffic etc. He is no downhill-skier or stranger to hardball gets or to displays of determination/desperation.
 
 - From rural WA but, on-field, always looks self-assured and never seems flustered. One of those players, regardless of age, who just "moves" like an AFL player of class. I first liked him from the '04 U16 Champs. Back then, he was trying to manage problems with his left knee but he really looked "AFL".
 
 If you had pick 5 and your next pick was beyond about pick 10, I think O-N is worth pick 5 thaer than taking the risk of him slipping through, even though that is shorter than his market value. I'm very confident of his AFL future.
 
 *DISPOSAL:
 (see above)
 
 - U18 Champs stats were not representative of his kicking's usual accuracy or hurt factor. I would describe him as an "almost routinely excellent" kick - accuracy, hurt, power. Even on the run (as he often is). Economical kicking style.
 
 - Can kick a big goal but is not in the "reliable around goals" class.
 
 - His handballing is good but, in relative terms, possibly not quite as reliable as his kicking.
 
 - Mix of kicks to feeds varies a lot, game by game.
 
 *DECISION-MAKING, SMARTS:
 (see above)
 
 - Generally a good decision-maker. Generally displays poise and looks for options, even on the run.
 
 - Good vision but not always good awareness.
 
 - Uses his body well.
 
 - His average stats are quite healthy and he has had some big games. However it bothers me, just a little, that he doesn't ROUTINELY get more of the pill. He gets his share when at the play but I suspect he needs coaching in where and when to run in order to be in the action more often. Providing a kid is coachable (can listen, understand and implement) I never get overly concerned about kids who tend to be in the wrong places around the ground at 17-18yo. Oakley-Nicholls seems to read the play well enough, especially when he finds himself fairly handy to it. Most kids should be able to improve their positioning if they get the appropriate "match scenario simulation and decision-making dry runs" at their AFL club.
 
 - Importantly, he needs to demand the ball much more often and with more purpose. With his leg-speed he should much more often be running past to offer himself as a potential 80-90m option. Ditto for being more verbally demanding when in good position to have the ball delivered to him.
 
 - Outstanding evasion. Routinely effective, excellent sidestep on the run.
 
 *HANDS:
 (see above)
 
 - Routinely clean - ground or waist, on the run or static, under pressure or not.
 
 *OVERHEAD MARKING:
 
 - Very capable and reliable overhead, regardless of pressure. Usually clean hands, usually good judgement, holds his ground. Wins much more than his share of 50/50 contests. I saw him drop a sitter in one WAFL game but that's the only terrible result I can recall.
 
 - He can take the big grab over the back of the pack but he arguably takes more from in front or mid-pack.
 
 *ATHLETICISM:
 (see above)
 
 - Terrific athletic package.
 
 - Lightning quick. He would be as quick as anyone in this draft. That's how he looks on-field. His DC times reflect that. 5m time among the top 3% ever and the further they go (over a sprint distance) the more elite his times (top 1% of all times over 20m).
 
 - Offensive agility is excellent. Recovery agility disappointing at times.
 
 - I'm still not sure what to make of Jarrad's leap. There are times when he takes some big grabs yet at other times he seems to struggle for leap. I just haven't been able to identify a pattern. Perhaps in certain body on body situations he waits a bit long to jump and finds the opponent(s) has already taken his vertical pathway, or something like that (?), or the cause may even just be injury at the time.
 
 - Very skinny but looks to have a frame that will fill out OK. His game is such that it is not vital to add more than about 7kg. (Would be desirable though).
 
 - Endurance query at the moment. Died in the bum late in various games this year and somewhat below average beep would either support this (no cause for long-term concern) or suggest he doesn't push himself out fully at this stage..
 
 *INTENSITY, ETHIC:
 (see above)
 
 - Intensity is generally good except that he often seems unaccountable to his own opponent.. That bothers me in itself but O-N is no less accountable than many/most other similar-role contenders for 1st or 2nd (or even 3rd) round picks this year.
 
 - For his "flashy" type, his "at the scene" intensity is surprisingly quite consistently good - Attack on ball, attack on man, ratio of 50/50 contests won, genuine desperation (including smothers etc).
 
 - Tackling effectiveness needs improvement.
 
 *CONSISTENCY:
 
 - Not that consistent statistically. He had at least one 30+ disposals game this year and a couple high 20s but he is usually around the low-mid teens.
 
 - I would say his effort level is pretty consistent. He is though, one of those players who, when hot, can be very hot. He can have a quiet quarter but then have (say) 15 minutes where he is on-fire.
 
 *AFL VERSATILITY:
 (see above)
 
 - Outside mid ("wing") suits ideally but there are other roles at AFL where he could inflict serious damage.
 
 - If he can adopt a more accountable mentality, he could be dynamite running off/through half-back. (That is the role I would like ti see him strat out in).
 
 - He also shows some talent inside traffic so perhaps an onball role down the track (but he is a long way off that, endurance-wise).
 
 - There is probably no reason why he couldn't handle AFL HFF or FP. However, I prefer him in a role in which he can see the play unfold essentially in his flight path and exploit his superior pace, especially direct, so that his main value is as a regularly 80-90m play-breaker.
 
 *CSI (COMPARATIVE SCOPE for IMPROVEMENT):
 
 - Probably normal.
 
 *QUERY:
 
 - Endurance.
 
 *SOME STATS:
 
 - '05 WAFL Colts:
 Avg approx 17disposals (incl 3 marks) in his 15 Colts games. Also played 2 Seniors games.
 
 - Stats summary '05 U18 Champs:
 Averaged 7 disposals and 2.3 marks in his 3 games. (Best TD 12).
 Kicks per 20 disp: 15.
 Kicks long vs short: 3-9 (3 long per 10 kicks).
 Ineffective kicks: 4/17 (2.4 per 10 kicks), incl 2 clangers (1.2 per 10 kicks).
 Ineffective handballs: 3/5 (6.0 per 10 handballs), incl 1 clangers (2.0 per 10 handballs).
 Ineffective disposals: 7/22 (6.4 per 20 disp), incl 3 clangers (2.7 per 20 disp).
 HandBall Receives: 2/22 (2 per 20 disp).
 Hardball gets: 2/22 (2 per 20 disp).
 S.P. clearances: 2/22 (2 per 20 disp), incl 0 BU (0 per 20 disp), incl 2 CBC (2 per 20 disp).
 Tackles: 4 (Avg 1.3 per game).
 Marks: 7 (6 per 20 disp), incl 2 contested (2.9 per 10 marks).
 
 *OTHER STUFF:
 
 - Added to '05 U18 trial squad. DOB orig listed as 2/9/88 but should be 9/2/88.

http://www.voy.com/51976/44535.html
Title: Re: Herald-Sun reminds everyone of our 2005 draft
Post by: Judge Roughneck on August 27, 2013, 02:12:26 PM
National   1   8      Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls       13
 National   2   24      Cleve Hughes       16
 National   3   40      Travis Casserly       0
Pre-Season   1   5      Matthew White   Richmond   104
 Rookie   1   5      Angus Graham   Adelaide   48
 Rookie   2   21      Jeremy Humm       1
 Rookie   3   36      Cameron Howat       21


 :clapping :clapping
Title: Re: Herald-Sun reminds everyone of our 2005 draft
Post by: 🏅Dooks on August 27, 2013, 07:21:03 PM
Having and using just 3 picks when we were meant to be in rebuild mode was a disgrace.

Not only that mt, but recruiting Joakley-Nicholls who was an icing on the cake type player, when we didn't even have a cake, just some rotten eggs and weevil infested flour, and the icing was off anyway.

but we did also select........Angus Graham as our first rookie pick.

Yeah good call disco stu  ::)
Title: Re: Herald-Sun reminds everyone of our 2005 draft
Post by: tigs2011 on August 27, 2013, 07:54:43 PM
Lmao at wayne's post rotten eggs and weavil infested flour.  :lol
Title: Re: Herald-Sun reminds everyone of our 2005 draft
Post by: Andyy on August 27, 2013, 08:53:23 PM
The worst thing you can do (and I've done it twice) is go to Wikipedia and look at who went what number in each year's draft, look at who Richmond picked, then look at who went below that hack and could have ended up at Tigerland.

Some obvious ones like Pavlich instead of Fiora, Franklin instead of Tambling, but many more as well. It sucks bad.
Title: Re: Herald-Sun reminds everyone of our 2005 draft
Post by: Andyy on August 27, 2013, 08:59:52 PM
For example:

Instead of JON - Shaun Higgins, Nathan Jones, Grant Birchall, Travis Varcoe, Richard Douglas.

Instead of Cleve Hughes - Garrick Ibbotson, Bernie Vince, Sam Gilbert.

Instead of Travis Casserly - Robbie Warnock, Andrew Swallow, Alipate Carlisle, Joel Patfull, Matthew Stokes.

Jonathan Giles


Facepalm...
Title: Re: Herald-Sun reminds everyone of our 2005 draft
Post by: Chuck17 on August 27, 2013, 10:48:29 PM
Doh
Title: Re: Herald-Sun reminds everyone of our 2005 draft
Post by: Judge Roughneck on August 27, 2013, 11:18:30 PM
if you picked up a better player on 05, chances are would of lost a cotchin or martin or both...
Title: Re: Herald-Sun reminds everyone of our 2005 draft
Post by: tigs2011 on August 28, 2013, 12:25:10 AM
if you picked up a better player on 05, chances are would of lost a cotchin or martin or both...
This guy gets it.  :clapping
Title: Re: Herald-Sun reminds everyone of our 2005 draft
Post by: Andyy on August 28, 2013, 01:00:51 AM
if you picked up a better player on 05, chances are would of lost a cotchin or martin or both...

True.

Bad way to look at things though.

If we had Birchall, Swallow and maybe Higgins/Jones I don't think we'd care by that stage.

Maybe Cotchin and Martin will cost us the next Lockett.


I just hope we keep drafting/trading/list managing well and it leads to success.
Title: Re: Herald-Sun reminds everyone of our 2005 draft
Post by: MintOnLamb on August 28, 2013, 08:50:52 AM
Did we have one recruiting manager all that time who loved picking up skinny kids?

It seems that we picked up so many players who never made it we must have had someone in the recruiting dept who had the brain of a snail.

Has something changed in that dept in the last 4 years or so.

anyone know who that was?
Title: Re: Herald-Sun reminds everyone of our 2005 draft
Post by: Andyy on August 28, 2013, 09:29:41 AM
We used to have one part time talent scout.

Now we have several, some full time some part time. You need to have people in every state IMO. All comes down to your football departments ability to raise/spend the cash, and the FTF was made to address this amongst other things. Hence Gale and March have done an awesome job.
Title: Re: Herald-Sun reminds everyone of our 2005 draft
Post by: gerkin greg on August 28, 2013, 10:33:50 AM
Fine Eyes likes the skinny boys, Feds were picking up the scent so he moved on to dud KPPs