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Title: Positives / Negatives vs Essendon
Post by: TigerLand on July 09, 2011, 10:40:59 PM
Just wanna reel off some of these:

Positives:
- Helbig played his best game for the club
- Batchelor was good
- Grigg showed some grunt and worked hard, although missed crucial shots
- Vickery showed even around the ground he can play
- Ben Griffiths killed Fletcher one on one.

Negatives:
- Jack beaten again, clubs know how to play him and how to match up.
- Deledio was well down.
- Jackson continues to be absolute poo.
- Edwards, tried hard but just can't kick
- Newmans turnover to Monfries
- Houli's brain fade before 3 qtr time
- Nahas well held
- Martin quietish
Title: Re: Positives / Negatives vs Essendon
Post by: Ox on July 09, 2011, 10:43:26 PM
Jack = poo attitude
Title: Re: Positives / Negatives vs Essendon
Post by: The Big Richo on July 09, 2011, 10:43:38 PM
King is all effort, no ability.

Nahas is a player that goes ok when teams forget him but then has 6 poor weeks until that happens again.

I thought Post showed a few signs that he has great potential.

I also thought Thursfield played a good game.
Title: Re: Positives / Negatives vs Essendon
Post by: bojangles17 on July 09, 2011, 10:44:32 PM
the only positive is I didnt waste my time going, would have felt like my aggots in a mincer being there and see us go goaless whilst they slammed on 10 unanswered :'(
Title: Re: Positives / Negatives vs Essendon
Post by: wayne on July 09, 2011, 10:45:46 PM
Helbig and Griff.

Cotch needs to be made captain next season.

Title: Re: Positives / Negatives vs Essendon
Post by: The Machine on July 09, 2011, 10:47:10 PM
Unfortunately our midfield failed again when we needed them to stand up. This happens to often.
Title: Re: Positives / Negatives vs Essendon
Post by: Owl on July 09, 2011, 10:54:45 PM
Griff big plus, was moving like a midfielder...very impressive big fella, and Helbig came good tonight for sure, as I said in another post this is  about his 9th game so he deserves his chance.
We shot our wad early blowing a lot of energy dominating without putting the score on the board.  Bulk of scores were from opportunistic situations really, Jack was well held by multiple opponents, literally held, cut off, boxed in blocked from running etc our forward structure seems to have disintigrated and gone backwards.  Disagree about King TBR, he is one player out of that lot that I would have in next week without pausing for thought.
Title: Re: Positives / Negatives vs Essendon
Post by: dizza on July 09, 2011, 10:56:03 PM
 Positives: The first 2.5 quarters. Including the fight  ;D Our tackling was good, and the effort was clearly there. Griffiths and Helbig were also quite good.

Negatives: Everything from the second half of the 3rd quarter onwards. All that was good about the first 2.5 quarters was turned on its head the minute the spoilt brats got a sniff. We panicked and made some stupid errors (Houli's brainfade perhaps the worst), characteristic of the last how-ever-many-years. Then there's our kicking for goal  :banghead
Title: Re: Positives / Negatives vs Essendon
Post by: The Big Richo on July 09, 2011, 10:58:08 PM
 Disagree about King TBR, he is one player out of that lot that I would have in next week without pausing for thought.

So would I at this point, Hooter, but I still think he is not the future as a defensive forward.

Just doesn't have the skill or the finish (outside of 3m), but I admire his heart.
Title: Re: Positives / Negatives vs Essendon
Post by: Ox on July 09, 2011, 11:00:57 PM
If King had support he would be better than just gutsy.
he has no skills what a croc!
Can kick goals?
Title: Re: Positives / Negatives vs Essendon
Post by: Penelope on July 09, 2011, 11:04:26 PM
he's actuallya good kick, kingy ( although he shanked one or two tonight). it's his brain that lets him down which is why he cant play anywhere but forward.

bigger problems than king that need addressing
Title: Re: Positives / Negatives vs Essendon
Post by: The Big Richo on July 09, 2011, 11:07:53 PM
he's actuallya good kick, kingy ( although he shanked one or two tonight). it's his brain that lets him down which is why he cant play anywhere but forward.

bigger problems than king that need addressing

Fair call but I'll substitute average for good.

There are bigger problems right at the minute but he is 35 years old and isn't the future.
Title: Re: Positives / Negatives vs Essendon
Post by: TigerLand on July 09, 2011, 11:11:23 PM
Unfortunately our midfield failed again when we needed them to stand up. This happens to often.

This is true but we ask so much of Cotchin and Martin every week. Combined have played less than 70 games.

Where was Lids??
Title: Re: Positives / Negatives vs Essendon
Post by: TigerTimeII on July 09, 2011, 11:39:30 PM
we have gone backwards
all that hard work down th edrain
we r back to being mentally weak and poo
Title: Re: Positives / Negatives vs Essendon
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on July 09, 2011, 11:50:53 PM
he's actuallya good kick, kingy ( although he shanked one or two tonight). it's his brain that lets him down which is why he cant play anywhere but forward.

bigger problems than king that need addressing

I agree. Would rather have King in the side than some so called better perceived players.
Really liked Helbig's game.
Griff and Post worked hard.
Cotch I thought worked himself into the game also very well to be one of our best on the night.
I allegedly saw a right hook from someone who wears a famous jumper at the club too.
I think the kids will be okay. We have something to look forward to as they get more games into them.
Forget the consecutive goals the Bombers kicked (even though it is hard to) I thought the kids we had out there did a serviceable job and if anything those who many have hounded to be delisted or traded will be well and truly on the chopping block after the evidence that was presented tonight.
Title: Re: Positives / Negatives vs Essendon
Post by: georgies31 on July 10, 2011, 01:45:13 AM
I thought Posty took a step forward today even if he missed some easy shots liked his work.Have to leave there next 6 games in one position.
Title: Re: Positives / Negatives vs Essendon
Post by: Jackstar is back again on July 10, 2011, 04:36:05 AM
Jack = poo attitude

Check the other social media outlet, you can work out why
Title: Re: Positives / Negatives vs Essendon
Post by: Dice on July 10, 2011, 04:48:49 AM
Positives for me were Griffiths , Helbig and Post. They at least showed something and Thursfield clearly beat Jetta

Negatives  - Houli


 Dimma needs to put more emphasis on defence. We leaked goals....again
Title: Re: Positives / Negatives vs Essendon
Post by: Jackstar is back again on July 10, 2011, 05:52:51 AM
Game plan stinks
Title: Re: Positives / Negatives vs Essendon
Post by: eliminator on July 10, 2011, 09:33:54 AM
 
Agree mostly with Pope
Positives for me were:
- Helbig played his best game for the club.
- Grigg played his best game for a while. His marking under pressure was good
- Vickery. Took a really good contested mark around the ground and was far more competitive in the ruck than Browne and Graham have ever been
- Ben Griffiths played a very good game.

Negatives:
- Turnovers
-Jack. Didn't work hard enough.
- Edwards, tried hard but just can't kick. He took a really good mark in the 3rd quarter then proceeded to turn it over
- Newmans turnover to Monfries
- Houli's brain fade before 3 qtr time
- Over use of the ball. Too much handpassing
-No enough contribution from small forwards
Title: Re: Positives / Negatives vs Essendon
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on July 10, 2011, 10:40:17 AM
positives for me is that I didnt waste my saturday night by attending the game instead my wife and I went to a warm bistro and I had a good steak and some cold beer. I easily avoided watching the last quarter because my live updates on my phone told me not to watch. 

It was good to see Griff and Post get another game in the big league I'm positive it will be more benificial to the team and their development in the long run. They should stay there for the rest of the year.
I liked Vickery in the ruck. how good was it to see someone who can compete ALL over the ground. I hope this continues.

Negatives..... WE have a long way to go.
Title: Re: Positives / Negatives vs Essendon
Post by: Owl on July 10, 2011, 11:16:53 AM
I feel a bit bad for Houli, he got sold a nightmare pass and got stitched up didn't want to give a deliberate out of bounds, stopped on the whistle, but the bummer didn't go behind the mark just ran off and kicked the goal.  He won't ever let that happen again I bet, but it was one of those stuffing ridiculous situations where in the past you would of killed the ball but now the AFL rules nazis have so many caveats and if buts and maybes the poor bastards dunno what to do.
Title: Re: Positives / Negatives vs Essendon
Post by: TigerLand on July 10, 2011, 11:40:14 AM
I feel a bit bad for Houli, he got sold a nightmare pass and got stitched up didn't want to give a deliberate out of bounds, stopped on the whistle, but the bummer didn't go behind the mark just ran off and kicked the goal.  He won't ever let that happen again I bet, but it was one of those effing ridiculous situations where in the past you would of killed the ball but now the AFL rules nazis have so many caveats and if buts and maybes the poor bastards dunno what to do.

Yeah Owl spot on.

Looking at the play hurts to watch but,

1. Helbig missed the target Houli and therefor wasn't able to take a mark go back and assess things, as the clear instruction was ice the clock till 3 qtr time.

2. Trying to ice the clock the members wing was congested so Houli looked to go back to the southern stand wing looking for free options. There was none, no-one was working hard enough for him. I think Helbig was manned up.

3. No options with Crameri bearing down, can't kick it long to touch, probably got a bake last week for bombing the ball out of defence without looking as he kicked it to Carlton wingers all day.

4. Fell over. Gone.

I was more upset at the rest of the group not helping out and working hard to make an option.
I was annoyed at Houli who gave up when tackled, couldn't understand why he would just accept the holiding the ball decision. He could have handpassed it along the boundary or atleast ridden the tackle out of bounds.

Worst case scenario if hes tackled force the crab to kick a goal from the boundary, don't sook up and let him walk into an open goal.
Title: Re: Positives / Negatives vs Essendon
Post by: The Big Richo on July 10, 2011, 11:45:00 AM
Houli should have given the handball back to Helbig.

No-one to blame but himself.
Title: Re: Positives / Negatives vs Essendon
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on July 10, 2011, 11:50:39 AM
I thought we looked good in the change guernsey with our white shorts.
Maybe we should bring back the yellow shorts next year when we wear it again.
Title: Re: Positives / Negatives vs Essendon
Post by: TigerTimeII on July 10, 2011, 11:52:12 AM
we lost another stuffing game we should have won

these threads are crap, no positives in a loss

its a team sport , stuff what individuals do or show