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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Razorblade on June 13, 2005, 06:40:47 PM
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In: Hyde, Schulz, Morrison
Out: Tivendale, Knobel, Graham
Simmonds plays as No.1 ruck.
Morrison plays back, and Schulz plays forward.
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We need more run and pace through the lines as we looked slow as against the Roos. So I would bring in Hyde and Hartigan and as we were too top heavy last week drop either Stafford (not fit) or Graham. Graham may stay in as he's a spare defender. Schulz can replace one of them. Plus Sarge is agile for a big bloke. Tivs dropped for obvious reasons. Meyer to get a full game at Coburg and build up his confidence as John said in another thread at an "easier" level. Promoting Tambling straight into the seniors is a big risk and doesn't quite send the right message to the rest of the group. Start him off at Coburg.
In: Hyde, Hartigan, Schulz
Out: Tivs, Meyer, Stafford
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We need more run and pace through the lines as we looked slow as against the Roos. So I would bring in Hyde and Hartigan and as we were too top heavy last week drop either Stafford (not fit) or Graham. Graham may stay in as he's a spare defender. Schulz can replace one of them. Plus Sarge is agile for a big bloke. Tivs dropped for obvious reasons. Meyer to get a full game at Coburg and build up his confidence as John said in another thread at an "easier" level. Promoting Tambling straight into the seniors is a big risk and doesn't quite send the right message to the rest of the group. Start him off at Coburg.
In: Hyde, Hartigan, Schulz
Out: Tivs, Meyer, Stafford
Spot on all 3 were good for Coburg - staff aint right - Tivs the turnover king - Meyer coming along as well as expected and will be a good player.
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I choose to give Hartigan another week in Coburg, as IMO he didn't look 100% last saturday!
I wouldn't play Tambling at all this week either!
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Richo may be rested
3:51:20 PM Tue 14 June, 2005
Scott Spits
Sportal for afl.com.au
Richmond will consider resting spearhead Matthew Richardson for this week's crucial clash against Adelaide at Telstra Dome because the champion forward is battling knee soreness.
Tigers coach Terry Wallace revealed on Tuesday that the veteran forward had been hampered by knee soreness all season, and the club might take advantage of the split round to give Richardson a couple of weeks without playing.
"He's sore and he's played sore for some time," Wallace said at Punt Road.
"We're going to be struggling for him to come up this week. That's where he's at at the moment. It's a day-by-day basis with him."
Wallace said a decision would be made later in the week but Richardson, who has kicked 35 goals from 12 matches in 2005, would not train during the week.
"We've got to make a choice. Do we give him a rest where he's got a three-week period to get himself right for the second half of the season, or do we try and get him through another couple of hours of footy?" Wallace said.
The first-year Richmond coach revealed that Richardson, who played his 200th AFL match earlier this season, was regularly having fluid drained from his knee prior to games.
"It's not much fun when you're going into the medical room before the game and you're getting fluid - and a considerable amount of fluid - taken out.
"He's just struggling through that period of his time at the moment."
Richardson's knee soreness was predominantly the result of wear and tear on the 30-year-old's body.
"He certainly didn't carry it into the season," Wallace said.
"He's had probably two or three episodes throughout the season and they've been different things. One was a strain, one was bone bruising to the top of the bone. All that has inflamed everything within his knee joint.
"Every time he plays or trains it just blows up again. We're spending all week trying to get it down and trying to get it into some sort of shape for the game."
Leaving Richardson out of the Richmond team would further deplete the Tigers' forward line, already less potent after they lost their best player Nathan Brown with a season-ending broken leg against Melbourne in round 10.
Richmond had raced to a 7-2 record after round nine but the Tigers have lost their past three matches - to the Demons, West Coast and the Kangaroos.
The Tigers will consider bringing in star recruit Richard Tambling, who has been restricted to just four games this year because of hamstring, back and toe injuries. Midfielder Chris Hyde, who was impressive for the Coburg Tigers in the VFL at the weekend, is another possible inclusion.
http://richmondfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=209276
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Rest Richo and give Schulz or Patto a go?
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Agree Razor although Morrison probably deserves a go ahead of Patto at this stage. Patto's body hasn't filled out yet for AFL footy.
Give Richo the week off. One game with him missing isn't going to kill us in the long term. Let him get his knee right over the next 2-3 weeks then unleash him against the Swans and Dons. Same goes with Stafford. Carrying injured blokes into games doesn't help you win anyway.
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I also heard on SEN that Tezza had said as part of "Tuesday's with Terry" that both Stafford and Knobel had suffered slight groin strains as a result of the centre circle area of Telstra Dome and both will be rested from training this week :gobdrop :gobdrop
Gave the Telstra surface a bit a bake did Tezza. He said that the centre was terrible and the turf is moss like, which I would think would make it very spongee and slippery.
I must say sitting there on Sunday you can see that the turf is different in the centre circle area. You could also tell that the grass around the goal squares had recently been replaced.
It appears that Tezza has spoken to the AFL and Telstra management about it today
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Pick your own side:
http://www.allthestats.com/fun/teamsel.php?t1=13&pl=
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I also heard on SEN that Tezza had said as part of "Tuesday's with Terry" that both Stafford and Knobel had suffered slight groin strains as a result of the centre circle area of Telstra Dome and both will be rested from training this week :gobdrop :gobdrop
Dome too slippery: Wallace
3:54:45 PM Tue 14 June, 2005
Scott Spits
Sportal for afl.com.au
Richmond coach Terry Wallace has launched a stinging attack on the surface in the middle of Telstra Dome, claiming his ruckmen had suffered groin strains because the surface was 'far too slippery'.
Wallace said Trent Knobel and Troy Simmonds probably would not train this week ahead of the clash against Adelaide at the Docklands venue after straining their groins against the Kangaroos on Sunday.
"Both of them have hurt their groins because they just can't hold their footing in the middle of that surface," Wallace said at Punt Road on Tuesday.
"We haven't played on another surface, especially in the middle, that's like that."
The Tigers have already raised their concerns with the AFL and want the surface improved before Saturday night's game against the Crows. Telstra Dome is also hosting the E.J Whitten Legends Game on Wednesday night.
"I'm hoping that they're going to be working fairly diligently to make sure it's not what is was like last weekend," Wallace said.
The first-year Richmond coach said the problem of a slippery surface was exacerbated by umpires not bouncing the ball straight, which meant ruckmen sometimes struggled to get to a ruck contest.
"If we can get the umpires bouncing the ball straight - which they didn't do in the second half at all on the weekend - and we can get our blokes being able to get some sort of purchase on the ground so they can actually run in a straight line and jump for a straight ball, that would be wonderful.
"The ball was bouncing towards the opposition ruckman outside of the circle probably more often that not in the second half of the game and our blokes trying to get a run towards the footy - they just couldn't do it."
Wallace said there was no question the centre square surface was in worse condition this season than in previous years.
"We haven't played on a ground which has got the problems that this ground has got at the moment and I've been a very big supporter of the ground," he said.
"It certainly has been better this year that it has been at any other time around the ground. I think that's been better. But at the moment the middle is awful."
Wallace said Knobel and Simmonds were not in doubt for the tough clash against Adelaide.
"They'll come up, but they've legitimately had groin strains from not being able to get purchase on the ground and trying to strain just to take off where they've lost their footing."
http://richmondfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=209299
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Sports Tonight said Richo may even need surgery so Richo doesn't have to get his knee drained just before every game :(.
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I was watching that too MT.
Might as well do it now seeing there's a break coming up and he's obviously struggling. :(
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Sports Tonight said Richo may even need surgery so Richo doesn't have to get his knee drained just before every game :(.
Sounds like there gonna scope it and clean it out!
That's usually a 3-4 week job isn't it?
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Tiger battles wounded knee
By Len Johnson
The Age
June 15, 2005
Richmond has considered surgery as a solution for Matthew Richardson's persistent knee problems, but the club remains hopeful the condition can be managed.
There is a chance Richardson could be rested from the game against Adelaide this Saturday night, giving the big forward a three-week mid-season break to get on top of the problem.
The management of Richardson's condition was discussed with the club's medical staff at the Richmond match committee meeting yesterday. After the meeting, football administration manager Paul Armstrong confirmed surgery was being considered.
"It's an option, but not the preferred one for us," Armstrong said. "Hopefully we can manage it through the break and allow him time to recover."
Richardson has struggled most of the season with the injury, which causes his knee to swell after each game and requires fluid to be drained off it before the following match.
Richmond coach Terry Wallace said yesterday it was the result of "two or three episodes".
"One was a strain," Wallace said, "and one was bruising to the top of the bone. All that has done is inflame everything within his knee joint.
"Every time he plays or trains it just blows up again.
"We're spending all week trying to get (the swelling) down, trying to get him into some sort of shape for the game, and then we've got the same problem the next week."
Wallace said that Richardson would not train this week and that resting him from the vital Adelaide game was an active consideration.
"We've got to make a choice," Wallace said. "Do we give him a rest where he's got a three-week period to get himself right for the second half of the season or do we try to get him through another couple of hours of footy and go down that path?"
Richard Tambling will also be available for selection this week after missing the past three matches with a hamstring injury. Wallace said it had not been decided yet whether he would come back through the VFL side.
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2005/06/14/1118645808685.html
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I also heard on SEN that Tezza had said as part of "Tuesday's with Terry" that both Stafford and Knobel had suffered slight groin strains as a result of the centre circle area of Telstra Dome and both will be rested from training this week :gobdrop :gobdrop
Richmond coach Terry Wallace has launched a stinging attack on the surface in the middle of Telstra Dome, claiming his ruckmen had suffered groin strains because the surface was 'far too slippery'.
By Len Johnson
The Age
June 15, 2005
Telstra Dome has acknowledged there was excess moisture in the centre area for last Sunday's game between the Kangaroos and Richmond.
Ground staff yesterday used a mechanical pitchfork-like device to aerate the surface and increase drainage before this Saturday night, when Richmond plays Adelaide. The prongs were set to penetrate 35 millimetres, deep enough, Telstra Dome management said, to alleviate the problem.
A Telstra Dome spokesperson attributed the problem to a different type of grass in replacement blocks put in after round nine. The grass had a higher thatch content, resulting in higher moisture retention.
Wallace called for the replacement of the centre area, but Richmond football manager Paul Armstrong said last night that the club was happy with the action taken by stadium management.
"All Terry was concerned about was the shifting surface," Armstrong said. "Telstra Dome has acknowledged there was a problem. If they think attending to it in this manner will fix it, that's fine by us."
The whole surface is progressively replaced through the AFL season. The northern third has been replaced and the central third is due to be replaced after Friday week's game between Essendon and St Kilda.
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2005/06/14/1118645808691.html
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Sports Tonight said Richo may even need surgery so Richo doesn't have to get his knee drained just before every game :(.
Sounds like there gonna scope it and clean it out!
That's usually a 3-4 week job isn't it?
I think you're right Razor :(
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Richo is only good for about 14-16 games per season and has been for years.
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Richo is only good for about 14-16 games per season and has been for years.
You may have a point Ox - I think 2001 was the last time we got 20 odd games from him.
You do have to wonder what pressure bulking up last season caused on his knees.
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2001 = 22 games played
2002 = 13 games played
2003 = 19 games played
2004 = 18 games played
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............and in every one of them he played his heart out.
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............and in every one of them he played his heart out.
Get your hand off it mate! :shh
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2001 = 22 games played
2002 = 13 games played
2003 = 19 games played
2004 = 18 games played
Missed close to 1 month of footy in each of the last 2 seasons
thanks Julz :thumbsup
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2001 = 22 games played
2002 = 13 games played
2003 = 19 games played
2004 = 18 games played
I can live with him missing only 3-4 games per year at 30 years of age.
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Going by what TW said on WLF last night, you’d say there are two chances of Tiv being dropped this week. None and absolutely none.
The reasons for that are partly because of depth, but mainly because he would prefer to work with Tiv to improve his game, rather than give up on him. TW made the point that Tiv helped turned the game against WC in the second half. He spoke to him through the week and they have put some things in place that can help his game. If it turns out that things don’t ultimately improve from there then obviously he will have to suffer the consequences.
Highly unlikely that Tambling will be picked.
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Probably only 2 changes this week- Schultz & Hyde in for Richo & Jackson seeing as Tiv is getting another chance, let's hope he makes the most of it.
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Going by what TW said on WLF last night, you’d say there are two chances of Tiv being dropped this week. None and absolutely none.
The reasons for that are partly because of depth, but mainly because he would prefer to work with Tiv to improve his game, rather than give up on him. TW made the point that Tiv helped turned the game against WC in the second half. He spoke to him through the week and they have put some things in place that can help his game. If it turns out that things don’t ultimately improve from there then obviously he will have to suffer the consequences.
Well the challenge is well and truly there for Tivva now - got love the way Tezza operates ;D
And he is right about the WC game - Tivva was the one who took 'em on in the third quarter in particular.
And I suppose if you are going to lose experience in Richo you cannot really afford to get rid of anymore experience.
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Going by what TW said on WLF last night, you’d say there are two chances of Tiv being dropped this week. None and absolutely none.
The reasons for that are partly because of depth, but mainly because he would prefer to work with Tiv to improve his game, rather than give up on him. TW made the point that Tiv helped turned the game against WC in the second half.
Did TW mention that Tivva (and his errors) had a lot to do with us being so far down in the first half in the first place :banghead :banghead
Ok WP - I am getting over it...until Saturday night, probably :lol
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If i hadnt' committed to supporting Terry 100% I'd be dirty he
(Tivendale)was still getting a game.
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The reasons for that are partly because of depth, but mainly because he would prefer to work with Tiv to improve his game, rather than give up on him. TW made the point that Tiv helped turned the game against WC in the second half. He spoke to him through the week and they have put some things in place that can help his game. If it turns out that things don’t ultimately improve from there then obviously he will have to suffer the consequences.
Fair enough. The ball is now in Tivs court. Find a right foot and not leave his brain back in the rooms or your out.
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I also heard on SEN that Tezza had said as part of "Tuesday's with Terry" that both Stafford and Knobel had suffered slight groin strains as a result of the centre circle area of Telstra Dome and both will be rested from training this week :gobdrop :gobdrop
Richmond coach Terry Wallace has launched a stinging attack on the surface in the middle of Telstra Dome, claiming his ruckmen had suffered groin strains because the surface was 'far too slippery'.
Telstra Dome has acknowledged there was excess moisture in the centre area for last Sunday's game between the Kangaroos and Richmond.
New turf for Dome centre
2:29:03 PM Thu 16 June, 2005
Sportal for afl.com.au
Telstra Dome will replace the turf in the centre circle of the ground in time for Saturday night's match between Richmond and Adelaide.
Telstra Dome’s operations manager, Andrew Travis said arena management reviewed the centre circle on Thursday morning following Wednesday night’s EJ Whitten Legends Match.
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"The match took its toll on the area and we felt it would be best to replace the turf to ensure we deliver the best playing surface for Saturday’s round 13 clash," said Travis.
"The verti draining procedure we used on Tuesday had been effective reducing excess moisture in the area, but the mid week encounter had taken it’s toll on the circle."
Earlier in the week, Richmond coach Terry Wallace was critical of the state of the turf in and around the centre circle, blaming 'slipperiness' for groin injuries sustained by Tigers ruckmen Trent Knobel and Troy Simmonds against the Kangaroos last Sunday.
Telstra Dome invited the Richmond Football Club and the AFL to view the playing field on Thursday morning and gain stuff.
According to Telstra Dome management, all parties are happy with the outcome.
The centre circle turf will be replaced on Friday.
http://richmondfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=209672
So much for Pagan saying Wallace was being precious.
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Did TW mention that Tivva (and his errors) had a lot to do with us being so far down in the first half in the first place :banghead :banghead
Ok WP - I am getting over it...until Saturday night, probably :lol
Umpire Hendrie says keep going on Tiv - it means you are leaving him alone :rollin
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Going by what TW said on WLF last night, you’d say there are two chances of Tiv being dropped this week. None and absolutely none.
The reasons for that are partly because of depth, but mainly because he would prefer to work with Tiv to improve his game, rather than give up on him. TW made the point that Tiv helped turned the game against WC in the second half.
Did TW mention that Tivva (and his errors) had a lot to do with us being so far down in the first half in the first place :banghead :banghead
Funnily enough, he didn't bg25, which will no doubt impress you no end. :rollin
I can see where he's coming from though. We can bring in a young player, but it’s going to be a long season for some of them.
TW’s coached for a number of years and would know what method works best, in order to get something better out of a player. He prefers to work with a player to help him improve, because that’s what he’s there for. In a way I agree, because what’s dropping Tiv going to do, except knock his confidence even further. And it’s not like we’ve had access to a coach such as TW in the past, so I don’t begrudge Tiv getting a chance.
If he were unmotivated and just didn't try, fair enough, but I don’t think that’s an issue. If things don’t turn out, at least we won’t be left wondering.
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New turf for Dome centre
2:29:03 PM Thu 16 June, 2005
Sportal for afl.com.au
Telstra Dome will replace the turf in the centre circle of the ground in time for Saturday night's match between Richmond and Adelaide.
Earlier in the week, Richmond coach Terry Wallace was critical of the state of the turf in and around the centre circle, blaming 'slipperiness' for groin injuries sustained by Tigers ruckmen Trent Knobel and Troy Simmonds against the Kangaroos last Sunday.
Telstra Dome invited the Richmond Football Club and the AFL to view the playing field on Thursday morning and gain stuff.
According to Telstra Dome management, all parties are happy with the outcome.
The centre circle turf will be replaced on Friday.
So much for Pagan saying Wallace was being precious.
What are the chances of Pagan defending TD if it wasn’t their new home ground and Carlton president Ian Collins wasn’t in charge of TD?
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What are the chances of Pagan defending TD if it wasn’t their new home ground and Carlton president Ian Collins wasn’t in charge of TD?
Too much logic there TS ;D ;)
You would think anyone from the Blues let alone the coach at the minute would have a few more things to worry about than an opposition coach bagging a ground's playing surface 2 months before the sides meet again ::).
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New turf for Dome centre
16 June, 2005
Sportal for afl.com.au
Telstra Dome will replace the turf in the centre circle of the ground in time for Saturday night's match between Richmond and Adelaide.
Telstra Dome’s operations manager, Andrew Travis said arena management reviewed the centre circle on Thursday morning following Wednesday night’s EJ Whitten Legends Match.
"The match took its toll on the area and we felt it would be best to replace the turf to ensure we deliver the best playing surface for Saturday’s round 13 clash," said Travis.
"The verti draining procedure we used on Tuesday had been effective reducing excess moisture in the area, but the mid week encounter had taken it’s toll on the circle."
Earlier in the week, Richmond coach Terry Wallace was critical of the state of the turf in and around the centre circle, blaming 'slipperiness' for groin injuries sustained by Tigers ruckmen Trent Knobel and Troy Simmonds against the Kangaroos last Sunday.
Telstra Dome invited the Richmond Football Club and the AFL to view the playing field on Thursday morning and gain stuff.
According to Telstra Dome management, all parties are happy with the outcome.
The centre circle turf will be replaced on Friday.
Wayne Schwass was on SEN this morning, I didn’t watch it, but he must’ve played in the Legends game the other night, and they asked him about the surface at TD. He said they have a real problem there and the ground seems as though it is constantly watered.
You would think that TD management would always be looking at ways to improve the surface, but this is the 6th season the ground has been in use and the only real solution they seem to have come up with so far is to re-lay sections of the turf every other week, which doesn’t really seem to be a solution to anything, for very long.
I was wondering if they could have something like “heat lines” or “heat pipes”, which could be installed in the soil. These lines/pipes could help dry out the soil and help alleviate the fact that the soil doesn’t dry naturally. Not sure if I dreamed it, but does such a system exist in England, or in colder climate countries, at certain stadiums? Although they would mostly use different surface types, similar principles could be applied to help dry the TD surface.
The other thing they could do, as well, or instead of that, is to use heat lights or some heating method to dry the surface. I’m sure they’ve had lots of these types of suggestions, so it’s a wonder that they don’t seem to have tried anything different.
Cost comes into it I suppose, but if TD is going to be used for AFL games for the long-term then they clearly need to come up with something better than this. As there are other stadiums around the world where they would have similar type issues, TD management could share R&D expenses with other similarly affected stadium managers, to try and find a cost-effective solution. They can keep re-laying the turf, but it doesn’t seem to have solved anything to now.
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I was wondering if they could have something like “heat lines” or “heat pipes”, which could be installed in the soil. These lines/pipes could help dry out the soil and help alleviate the fact that the soil doesn’t dry naturally. Not sure if I dreamed it, but does such a system exist in England, or in colder climate countries, at certain stadiums? Although they would mostly use different surface types, similar principles could be applied to help dry the TD surface.
Actually not dreaming TS - the system of using"heat pipes" was used and I think is still used at the MCG. In the early 80's the then Australian Test Captain Greg Chappell constantly complained about the MCG wicket area - it was always barren, couldn't grow grass there. They installed the heating under the pitch area and it made a massive difference.
I don't know if you could use the same thing at Telstra because it's built on a a car park. I would assume that the heating would have to be a certain distance underground. I think that's one of the main problems at Telstra Dome because of whats underneath it - it they don't water it regularly then it's too hard, if they water it to much it's too soft and of course it doesn't get enough natural sunlight over the entire ground so the watering not only soaks through but some of it stays on the top of the surface making it spongee
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Call me crazy, but wouldn't it just me a LOT easier to use synthetic, or some sort of "fake" grass?
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The other thing they could do, as well, or instead of that, is to use heat lights or some heating method to dry the surface.
I've got some mates that might be able to help them with that!!!!!
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Call me crazy, but wouldn't it just me a LOT easier to use synthetic, or some sort of "fake" grass?
Wouldn't work - far too hard. Most synthetic grass (like they use in hockey or in the NFL) are laid on top of concrete with a layer of a rubbersied cushion between the concrete and and synthetic turf.
In Hockey IIRC they either play on a synthetic grass that has to have loads of water on it or a synthetic grass that has sand through it to ensure that when you and if you fall over you don't suffer burning.
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As WP pointed out most players would suffer burns to their knees, elbows, shoulders and hands if footy was played on synthetic grass. In other sports their players don't go to ground nowhere near as much as Aussie Rules. Plus our guys have exposed bare skin.
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Ok motion carried! :cheers
As for team changes, my spider sense is telling me we will be stuffed for talls tomorrow night! :'(
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Seems Morrison might finally get his chance at CHB tomorrow night, freeing up Ray Hall for some other duties........
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Biglands and Hudson vs Hall in the ruck means :help :-\