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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Bulluss on April 02, 2007, 04:44:53 PM
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Some people have been talking about our fitness as as group and maybe it isnt up to speed.
Just heard Kouta talking about the difference in their fitness now they have a new fitness and conditioning coach.
We have had the same people for a few years now, maybe its time to give them the roger and get someone new who has the runs on the board.
Thoughts?
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Can tell you that Nick Stevens is currently 6 kilos UNDER last years playing weight.
Played like it too
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Far be it for me to think you two are trying to undermine the club in every way you can.
Silly, silly me for having such thoughts :wallywink
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Can tell you that Nick Stevens is currently 6 kilos UNDER last years playing weight.
Played like it too
Might it be because he was a fat slob last season?
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coming from a personal training and strength and conditioniing background, i have been cursing our fitness and fitness staff for a decade now.
we are the slowest growing(muscle wise) team in the afl. every team each yr tends to improve their strength and fitness except us.
richo is a prime example, his arms should be as big as the g trains by now, and should have an explosive chest. but he still does not look like he has the right body for the job
sugar, by now, he should be as big as nathan buckley and mark ricciuto, but look at him.
joel bowden, his shoulders need serious work, he is the foirst to admit he hates the gym, and thats bad luck, he should have been forced to muscle u.
we have been the skinniest team for as long as i remember and the weakest
thank god JD is dead so he cant see them now
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richo is a prime example, his arms should be as big as the g trains by now, and should have an explosive chest
The thought makes me drool :P
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Far be it for me to think you two are trying to undermine the club in every way you can.
Silly, silly me for having such thoughts
Hardly trying to undermine the club Moi.
Just something that i thought about after hearing Kouta on SEN today. We have had the same fitness guys in Matt Hornsby and Warren Koeford for a few years now and i dont think that we are were we should be at with fitness and endurance levels.
We are supposed to be a fast team but we are slow.
Some of the younger players arent developing as early as they should muscle wise either.
See X's post, he knows what he is talking about.
Only want our club to be the best.
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Just listening to Laidley and he was talking about the kids they've drafted and they haven't come on.
He said, it's a lack of resources to develop these kids.
Haven't we been pretty lean in the footy department for a number of years because of the same thing - no cash to spend on facilities of the ilk of Collingwood.
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what fitness ???
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It's okay for you Essendon fanatics to say how good they are compared to us. They have cash coming out of every oriface. Until we're in the same position to compete at the level these sides are, we're always going to languish.
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"It's okay for you Essendon fanatics........................."
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"It's okay for you Essendon fanatics........................."
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Just call it how I see it, MJS
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We are supposed to be a fast team but we are slow.
There's two parts to being a quick side. Individual speed and quick ball movement. Yesterday the blame went on the latter.
Agree though Bully that all positions within the club including the performance of our fitness and conditioning staff should be reviewed each year. Especially so given our injury list already.
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:rollin :rollin :rollin
Hey MJS, did I look fit today when I dropped in :shh
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:rollin :rollin :rollin
Hey MJS, did I look fit today when I dropped in :shh
how the hell am i supposed to answer that................you want Moi to start suspecting me??? :shh
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:rollin :rollin :rollin
Hey MJS, did I look fit today when I dropped in :shh
how the hell am i supposed to answer that................you want Moi to start suspecting me??? :shh
You're both Greek ain't you, or one of you :rollin
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Sure they're not too fit, they seemed to be running all over the place the other day just for the sake of it
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KB saying on SEN that many Tiger players are nowhere fit enough. They can't do the 2nd, 3rd, 4th efforts to maintain pressure and have numbers around the ball clean up mistakes as the Eagles and Swans do. Hard to disagree.
We are a young side but our current fitness and weights staff have been at the Club for a long time. Longer than 3 years anyway. Time for a change?
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Absolutely time for a change, MT
We dont have much cash, but has to be a priority as well as recruiting next season.
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In another thread I put up someone like Don Pike to be targetted as a High Performance and List Manager for the club, we are lacking in many areas, fitness and strength conditioning is one of those, Im not sure if the club employs a sports psychologist, but someone in that role maybe helpful to.
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lets put it mildly here
Thursfield does his knee he has all season to work in the Gym but looks like a kid in a big floppy jumper
so someone down at Richmond dont know wtf is going on when it comes to fitness
if he was playing on me in a game he be battered & bruised come days end ;D
Richmonds fitness advisors & coach are a f**kin joke
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It's the lack of gut running when without the footy that's the worst problem. Most Tigers can't find space to receive or stick with their opponent. We just get easily chopped up by harder working sides.
IIRC we still have the same fitness and conditioning staff that we had under Spud. You would've thought a review of the footy dept would include the fitness and conditioning staff. Developing our players as well as recruiting has been a problem at Richmond for many years.
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It's the lack of gut running when without the footy that's the worst problem. Most Tigers can't find space to receive or stick with their opponent. We just get easily chopped up by harder working sides.
IIRC we still have the same fitness and conditioning staff that we had under Spud. You would've thought a review of the footy dept would include the fitness and conditioning staff. Developing our players as well as recruiting has been a problem at Richmond for many years.
l know its sad :'(
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Newman would have to be the exception. For a guy who broke his leg last year, he's playing extremely well (despite the odd hiccup).
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Newman would have to be the exception. For a guy who broke his leg last year, he's playing extremely well (despite the odd hiccup).
Chris Newman has his heart set in his football :clapping
l was with him a week before he got the call to play his first AFL game he was so excited
for his size at that time he didnot come across to me as being a aggressive hard at it footballer that would make it in the AFL
l seen many harder footballers before that never cut it but Newman has been rewarded from his work rate, his skills & his ability to read the game so well that l was hoping it would rub off onto Hartigan ;D
its a huge credit to him for working himself back into playing so soon after that shocking injury in front of us that day against Collingwood at the MCG l still remember that noise from the impact of it that Leon Davies was injured as well
Newman has become one of our family favorite footballers
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Newman would have to be the exception. For a guy who broke his leg last year, he's playing extremely well (despite the odd hiccup).
Chris Newman has his heart set in his football :clapping
l was with him a week before he got the call to play his first AFL game he was so excited
for his size at that time he didnot come across to me as being a aggressive hard at it footballer that would make it in the AFL
l seen many harder footballers before that never cut it but Newman has been rewarded from his work rate, his skills & his ability to read the game so well that l was hoping it would rub off onto Hartigan ;D
its a huge credit to him for working himself back into playing so soon after that shocking injury in front of us that day against Collingwood at the MCG l still remember that noise from the impact of it that Leon Davies was injured as well
Newman has become one of our family favorite footballers
ditto, newy is one of the few good ones who gives his all to the club week in week out.
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KB saying on SEN that many Tiger players are nowhere fit enough. They can't do the 2nd, 3rd, 4th efforts to maintain pressure and have numbers around the ball clean up mistakes as the Eagles and Swans do. Hard to disagree.
We are a young side but our current fitness and weights staff have been at the Club for a long time. Longer than 3 years anyway. Time for a change?
I think its bloody obvious how deplorable that is.
If any of you manage to have a chat to Dr.Hayden Morris, ask him for his opinion on our level of fitness and conditioning.Its a very sad state of affairs i can assure you.
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Newman would have to be the exception. For a guy who broke his leg last year, he's playing extremely well (despite the odd hiccup).
REALLY ?
think u r watching a different newman, the odd hiccup
answer this for me, how many goals has he conceded this yr???
the last month alone he has lost all trade value, newman is uselwss, explain s why he is fevolas best mate , must not have much up top, at least fev got to tingle witha bingle
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KB saying on SEN that many Tiger players are nowhere fit enough. They can't do the 2nd, 3rd, 4th efforts to maintain pressure and have numbers around the ball clean up mistakes as the Eagles and Swans do. Hard to disagree.
We are a young side but our current fitness and weights staff have been at the Club for a long time. Longer than 3 years anyway. Time for a change?
I think its bloody obvious how deplorable that is.
If any of you manage to have a chat to Dr.Hayden Morris, ask him for his opinion on our level of fitness and conditioning.Its a very sad state of affairs i can assure you.
they are hopelss the fitness staff at rfc
i have been training and conditioning a 17yo local footy player here in geelong.
now this kid is 6'4". and was weighing 68kgs! he is no full time pro, still going top school, and been training with me since jan this yr. along with playing footy, school, and a part time job, this kid now weighs 82 kgs! now he is still light on, but buy start of season next season, i will have him weighing in at 94 kgs. he may even grow an inch also.
just by scientifically calculating his protein intake weekly, and plenty of power lifting and explosive exercises and applying plyometrics, he is now heavier, stronger faster than ever!
if this local kid can doing it, why cant pro footy players!
no steroids , no drugs, just proper diet, protein suppliments and creatine and lots of hard work !
not rocket science
* being an O Blood type has also been beneficial for his rate of muscle growth
rfc must only recruit kids with 0 blood types, 0 blood types grow muscle much faster and are more genetically designed for strong physical combat and development. and they heal much quicker and respond to protein a hella of lot better than other blood types.
bet the numbskulls at rfc dont evem know that!
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just by looking at guys like foley , u can just tell that they are 0 blood types.
explosive power and strength
kerr cousins etc
u dont need to be a marathon runner to play footy, just some one who has explosive power and stamina who can repeatedly sprint stop start all game.
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In all seriousness - I think this is an area that does need addressing, actually probably a complete overhaul.
IIRC the current fitness people have been there for 8-9 years now - they were there when Spudley was coaching so perhaps it's time to look at new methods
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U reckon we could get some eagles over when they retire.
Maybe a Cousins or a Braun ;D
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U reckon we could get some eagles over when they retire.
Maybe a Cousins or a Braun ;D
why not
in this country u r innocent til proven guilty, these guys are all innocent :lol
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In all seriousness - I think this is an area that does need addressing, actually probably a complete overhaul.
IIRC the current fitness people have been there for 8-9 years now - they were there when Spudley was coaching so perhaps it's time to look at new methods
They become quite defensive when asked about the size or lack of of our players.
Didn't Terry try to get them to increase some sessions from just 3 to 11 when he first arrived. Not sure what happened to that. As you say WP time for a change in our fitness and conditioning staff.
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They become quite defensive when asked about the size or lack of of our players.
Didn't Terry try to get them to increase some sessions from just 3 to 11 when he first arrived. Not sure what happened to that. As you say WP time for a change in our fitness and conditioning staff.
I just reckon if they are going to boost spedning in the footy department they might as well chuck some $$ towards the fitness area.
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Obviously not enough gut-running fitness training, particularly during the preseason, at Punt Rd either ....
FORMER Essendon fitness guru Peter Power yesterday delivered a damning assessment of the Bombers' conditioning department.
"It is apparent that Essendon does not do enough hard gut-running fitness training, particularly in the pre-season sessions," Power said. "As a spectator, I note with sadness that unless Essendon is up by three to four goals at three-quarter time, they generally get run over in the final quarter. .... the current Essendon team is not fit enough.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22207472%255E20322,00.html
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Geelong showed what improvements can be made when you headhunt the best fitness and conditioning people.
GEELONG assistant coach Brenton Sanderson has lauded the role of club fitness gurus Paul Haines and Dean Robinson in the team's premiership success.
The Cats' fitness issues last season were well documented, culminating in the sacking of fitness adviser Loris Bertolacci.
Geelong raided the Adelaide Crows and the NRL for its new fitness team of Haines and Robinson.
Haines, who had worked with Neil Craig at the Crows for years, became strength and conditioning manager.
Robinson, from NRL club Manly, was put in charge of rehabilitation and strength.
Sanderson said the pair had been pivotal in the club's success.
"Those guys were probably instrumental in turning the club's fitness and conditioning around," Sanderson said.
"They played an enormous part. The boys had bigger, harder bodies this year and they just ran games out.
"Those guys pushed them hard in the pre-season and every player, if you went in there and asked them, would say it was the toughest summer they have had fitness wise and lifting wise.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22508561%255E19742,00.html
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Hopefully this review includes our fitness and conditioning staff. We're the two quarter Tiges at the minute :scream.
We need the new modern player and training facilities ASAP.
U reckon we could get some eagles over when they retire.
Maybe a Cousins or a Braun ;D
Ahead of your time CUB ;D
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more laps of the tan in order
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Just my opinion but Daniel Conners looked liked he was no where near it fitness wise.
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Conners was only one of six that looked like they ran out of steam to me. Cotchin, Brown, Raines, Pettiter and Pattison looked below the level of fitness required.
Do you think the Match Committee is making those decisions on purpose?