One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on September 06, 2009, 01:20:04 AM
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Next up is Whitey.
22 y.o Matty played 16 games this season for a total of 54 since debuting in 2006. Best performance for the year was in our win over North in round 5 where he had 24 disposals, 6 tackles and a goal.
Games Disposals Marks Tackles G.B In50 Re50 1%ers Errors
2006: 11 11.0 3.8 2.7 2.2
2007: 7 8.6 3.7 2.1 1.0
2008: 20 13.4 4.3 3.2 11.7 2.5 1.2 4.4 4.9
2009: 16 14.7 2.9 3.9 7.4 2.8 0.9 4.6 1.1
http://finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=1739&SeasonID=ALL
http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/player_profile?pid=2006148
So Keep or Trade?
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35 , do you know more or are your feeding the rabids - again
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Definitely keep
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In 2008 I thought White looked fantastic as an impact player comming off the bench.
Even though his stats look better in 2009 I thought he struggled a little this year.
Next year is his 5th year so he's not a kid anymore.
Keep....but not sure if he will start 2010 in our best 22.
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Trade! Has one thing as an asset and that is pace but he seems to get caught all the time!
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Maybe he and others got caught all the time because of that absurd handball game that has dominated the Richmond style of play these past few years.
Handballs at point blank range to almost stationary targets results in almost comical displays of skills
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Maybe he and others got caught all the time because of that absurd handball game that has dominated the Richmond style of play these past few years.
Handballs at point blank range to almost stationary targets results in almost comical displays of skills
No i mean gets caught trynig to take them on! It doesnt seem to happen to lids much, foley etc just Matty White!
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A no brainer.
He wouldnt get a game with a top 8 team, trade
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Definitely keep
I have to ask, why on earth would you keep him ?
He wouldnt get a game with any of the finals teams, so why keep him :banghead :banghead
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Definitely keep
I have to ask, why on earth would you keep him ?
He wouldnt get a game with any of the finals teams, so why keep him :banghead :banghead
Thats true Jack, but who else would? We cant delist everyone, or trade! We have to hang to some, but for me Whitey goes!
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one of the many reasons we aint any good as well hold onto players who arent up too it..
Liked we redrafted Howat for 3 years in a row, :banghead
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i cant believe anyone wants to keep white
he is a dead set crapola player, wouldnt even get a game in melbourne let alone a top 8 team
i have said from his very first nab cup game that he is an overrated twerp and just cos he has fast little legs does not
mean he can play at this level
just delist him not even worth a trade no one will trade pick 1000 for him
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A new coach and mostly new assistants will give the fringe players like Matthew a chance to show if they can make it given the right training and direction.
Give him another 12 months and if he doesn't make it then delist him.
We can't delist them all in one year.
Matthew's speed alone is not enough but imagine the upside if Hardwick can getting him playing well.
A keep for me.
:thumbsup
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He's massively improved his disposal this year, his disposal efficiency (not shown here) is ip and errors are massively reduced.
He is encouraged to try and take the game on with his pace but given lack of support from team mates to shepard he will get caught more than he should.
Has played more of a midfield role this year instead of playing closer to goals last year, a sign he's getting fitter
One of the few players who will always do the 1%ers
Not saying he's perfect, but he appears to be very coachable and I would bet on him being one who flourishes under Hardwick. One of the players on our list who can genuinely break the lines and kicks goals too. Far too soon to write him off, he'd want to have a good year next year, however I think he safely has another two years left to prove himself. Is contracted for 2010 anyway.
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White = Howat, no thanks
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Definitely keep
Enough said... :clapping
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one of the many reasons we aint any good as well hold onto players who arent up too it..
Liked we redrafted Howat for 3 years in a row, :banghead
Amazing, if brains were trains Jakckapparentlystar you would have the slow carriage ::) Trade the whole club mate thats what you wan't, if you know it all go down there and get amongst it or just fffffffffff off. Your posts about this club are all the same and it's really wearing thin. If you don't like the RFC or the players, board, coach, past coaches, colour of the jumper, the boot studder, the cat at the front door, the front door mat....... then just go away we don't need you!!!!!!!!!!! I don't think I have read one positive post from you since joining this forum and like I said it is really wearing thin!!!!!
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Don't shoot the messenger.
Jackstar is there most games and like all of us has had to cope with what has been dished up for too long - the truth is not always palatable.
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I voted a keeper as I think he has got heaps of potential.
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2010....keep and hope like hell that Hardwick can take his game to the next level.
2011... ?
I dont think at the minute his trade value would be very high.
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^ As above, not much choice really! If you want to turn over the whole list may aswell pack up and go North :banghead
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one of the many reasons we aint any good as well hold onto players who arent up too it..
Liked we redrafted Howat for 3 years in a row, :banghead
Amazing, if brains were trains Jakckapparentlystar you would have the slow carriage ::) Trade the whole club mate thats what you wan't, if you know it all go down there and get amongst it or just fffffffffff off. Your posts about this club are all the same and it's really wearing thin. If you don't like the RFC or the players, board, coach, past coaches, colour of the jumper, the boot studder, the cat at the front door, the front door mat....... then just go away we don't need you!!!!!!!!!!! I don't think I have read one positive post from you since joining this forum and like I said it is really wearing thin!!!!!
I have posted plenty of positives. stop being an behind and just highlighting negatives.
We have some really good prospects. Cotchin, Post, Reiwoldt, Morton , Vickery,
I laugh, you say ""go down there and get amongst it, well I have, and didnt like what I seen over four years as a paid employee, thus I highlight the issues in MY OPINION that aint right, If you dont like it , BAD LUCK.
As for Matty White, he struggled to understand game plans and has been there long enough..Wouldnt get a game with a top 8 club. FACT.
If you want the the tiges to play finals, I will put this to you and other nuffers on this website.
Go through the current list and list all players than CAN improve 10% from the previous years performance, those cant improve arent going to take you into a successful era.
I try give you a list of players that can improve the 10% in 2010, and players that I dont list, arent worth holding onto.
* Cotchin ( Does a pre season will improve more than 10% )
* Cousins ( proper pre season will improve 10%
* Post
* Vickery
* Lids.
* Morton
* Reiwoldt
* Nahas
* Edwards
* Collins
* Browne
* Thursfield
Thats about it.
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Don't shoot the messenger.
Jackstar is there most games and like all of us has had to cope with what has been dished up for too long - the truth is not always palatable.
Mate, and im not suggesting anyone belongs in this catergory, but sometimes the people who get down to every game are a part of the problem too! I think we have all been to games where the negativity from some supporters is woeful, winning or losing! We have all put up with this crap for a very long, not just a handful of supporters, and we choose to deal with it in different ways!
I like WAT's approach as he realises that slagging off and constant negativity only exasperates the issues and does nothing at all to solve them!
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I think Whitey will stay as there's so many to go before him and he's trade value would be low anyway. He's caught Rainesy's problem where he runs himself into trouble holding onto the ball too long.
Go through the current list and list all players than CAN improve 10% from the previous years performance, those cant improve arent going to take you into a successful era.
I try give you a list of players that can improve the 10% in 2010, and players that I dont list, arent worth holding onto.
* Cotchin ( Does a pre season will improve more than 10% )
* Cousins ( proper pre season will improve 10%
* Post
* Vickery
* Lids.
* Morton
* Reiwoldt
* Nahas
* Edwards
* Collins
* Browne
* Thursfield
Thats about it.
No Tambling Jack?
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Look its not about who goes to all the games as some of us do and some of us don't.
If you see enough games live you tend to get a feel for the game better than on tv. On tv you get to see where the ball is and not 50 metres up or down. In some cases that's where the real issue is. Are our players making space? Are our players moving into a position to run the lines when its their turn to get the ball? Are our players putting themselves in a position to get the ball in open space? Are our players manning up running hard to follow opponents when the opposition has the ball? In most cases no.
Does not make me a better judge than anybody else however seeing others do many things right compared to ourselves makes me agree with some posters on here who want to get rid of many players on our list. Our list is extremely deficient. Right now our best 6 some of whom are developing still and are under 23 would be B grade players in good sides let alone what we perceive as A grade players in a crap side like Richmond. Week in week out or last 6 players on the ground would not get a game at pretty much other AFL sides compared to the last 6 of other sides especially the good ones.
Psychologically speaking not that I am an expert there either but we have all had enough of the failure. Whether we vent openly and bag individuals who underperform or will never perform or whether we still remain hopeful that natural progression and improvement will take place its time the club finally repay the faith to us supporters who have tolerated this on field crap for far too long. This list needs a major overhaul and there will be casualties even some unexpected ones. As far as I am concerned the RFC should consider all deals filter through the crap deals and seriously think of where they want their club to be in 3 years not round 11 2010.
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I think Whitey will stay as there's so many to go before him and he's trade value would be low anyway. He's caught Rainesy's problem where he runs himself into trouble holding onto the ball too long.
Go through the current list and list all players than CAN improve 10% from the previous years performance, those cant improve arent going to take you into a successful era.
I try give you a list of players that can improve the 10% in 2010, and players that I dont list, arent worth holding onto.
* Cotchin ( Does a pre season will improve more than 10% )
* Cousins ( proper pre season will improve 10%
* Post
* Vickery
* Lids.
* Morton
* Reiwoldt
* Nahas
* Edwards
* Collins
* Browne
* Thursfield
Thats about it.
No Tambling Jack?
Sorry, forgot him Ooops!
Add to list
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also read closely
SUCCESSFUL ERA
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Look its not about who goes to all the games as some of us do and some of us don't.
If you see enough games live you tend to get a feel for the game better than on tv. On tv you get to see where the ball is and not 50 metres up or down. In some cases that's where the real issue is. Are our players making space? Are our players moving into a position to run the lines when its their turn to get the ball? Are our players putting themselves in a position to get the ball in open space? Are our players manning up running hard to follow opponents when the opposition has the ball? In most cases no.
Exactly Tucky. The answer is definitely no. The only time this year we played the game the way it is meant to be played was in the first half against North and most of the Essendon game we won. The structure of the side was right (tall targets up forward and enough players forward of the ball) and Tiger players were running hard into space and to support one another. The rest of the year was a shamozzle. Even at training this year a senior Tiger official I sat with called a senior player lazy (that player has gone btw). He was right too. Hardwick is going to have to strip everything back to the basics. It's a virtual re-education job. Right now most of our guys are lazy and/or dumb. They have no idea about even basic footy strategy (kick-ins, switches of play, etc) and the need to ready the play and work together. Hardwick needs to be fully hands on at training if he wants to turn us around.
As for Whitey he'd be more suited to a simpler more direct longer kicking to big forwards gamestyle. Sprint 15m then bang a 55m kick = 70m play. Our list as it stands isn't right for that style as we are too small and we lack big forwards.
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Interesting and valid points, tucky and MT! Can i add and could you elaborate?
A friend of mine held a coaching position at Coburg and he was very frustrated at the lack of committment he recieved from dropped senior players! He said they seemed to not care much about training and that there seemed to be a lack of accountabilty to the senior coaching panel! This relayed to me perhaps 5 years and im wondering, is this still the case? Is this what Rawlings was attemtiing to turn around?
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Jack correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't you been calling for Edwards to be delisted all season?
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Jack correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't you been calling for Edwards to be delisted all season?
No, i said and have posted his form was poor in patches and deserved to go back to Coburg.
His last half of the year he has shown improvment.
He can improve the extra 10% in 2010 :thumbsup
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White = Howat, no thanks
That's like comparing a Suzuki Swift sports with a Daewoo and Matty White aint the Daewoo ;D
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Was that Cam Howat or Jonny Howat?
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I reckon whitey is a feisty Rav 4
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I reckon whitey is a feisty Rav 4
Put the pedal down in the little Swift Sports and it is quick :thumbsup
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Cam Howat is like a Proton. Nice to have a new car but really crap to own.
Whitey is like a Toyota Echo. Zippy and gets about but next to the standard falcon and commodore is way out of his depth. Needs to add some strings to his bow and grow to become a toyota corolla or holden astra next year. Otherwise it might be a trip out to Kilsyth to Pick a Part.
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dare I say Jon was a ford Edsel..
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god i hated that "pick a part ad"
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dare I say Jon was a ford Edsel..
Or perhaps a Leyland P76 :rollin
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dare I say Jon was a ford Edsel..
Or perhaps a Leyland P76 :rollin
Or perhaps a P38, half a car, half a footballer, lol
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As for Matty White, he struggled to understand game plans and has been there long enough..Wouldnt get a game with a top 8 club. FACT.
And what game plan doesn't he understand Blind Freddy?
Yours or the coach's?
Because he keeps getting picked my guess is that he DOES follow the COACH'S game plan.
Stop letting your bloodymindedness create false arguments.
You sound like one of the idiots that go to Richmond games and yells abuse at TIGER players instead of the opposition players.
Next time you are at the club discussing game day tactics with .........other wankers, because the coaches and staff won't let you inside to talk to real football brains ......go to the boundary line near the race and see if you can track down Whitey and tell him your thoughts to his face, you gutless, anonymous, moron.
As I and other REAL Tiger SUPPORTERS keep telling you, if you can't handle the pain with dignity then go somewhere else. At least with your Collingwood jumper on you will get some respect for abusing Richmond players at the footy.
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As for Matty White, he struggled to understand game plans and has been there long enough..Wouldnt get a game with a top 8 club. FACT.
And what game plan doesn't he understand Blind Freddy?
Yours or the coach's?
Because he keeps getting picked my guess is that he DOES follow the COACH'S game plan.
Stop letting your bloodymindedness create false arguments.
You sound like one of the idiots that go to Richmond games and yells abuse at TIGER players instead of the opposition players.
Next time you are at the club discussing game day tactics with .........other wankers, because the coaches and staff won't let you inside to talk to real football brains ......go to the boundary line near the race and see if you can track down Whitey and tell him your thoughts to his face, you gutless, anonymous, moron.
As I and other REAL Tiger SUPPORTERS keep telling you, if you can't handle the pain with dignity then go somewhere else. At least with your Collingwood jumper on you will get some respect for abusing Richmond players at the footy.
Your funny, funny post actually. :lol
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In defence of Jackstar (I can't believe I am doing this :o) I believe his heart is in the right place. I am first to say that I don't agree with a lot of what he says but I feel that contrasting opinions make for a healthy forum of discussion. He cops plenty of stuff for his opinions which are predominantly on the negative side, but he very rarely lashes out with personal insults and if he does, a lot has gone on beforehand to get him to that point. If you find his opinions repetitive or annoying, just move on. If you want to enter into a debate with him, then he is always accommodating (probably a bit more than some would like :lol).
He has proven over the years that he does attend most games and plenty of training sessions so he is not without passion for the club. Sure he puts his own bias on his posts and has clearly displayed a strong distaste for certain people in our clubs coaching and administration but haven't we all at one stage or another? Whilst I don't know him personally, I have been on forums with him for several years now and had plenty of jousts, jibes and frustrating debate on many topics, and even occasionally agreed on some, but overall he has never personally insulted me.
Not wanting to sound like Ghandi, but treat others how you would like to be treated yourself and if you don't know someone personally, then there is no need to get personal!
Props to you Jack for your recent post where you actually named players you believe have the ability to steer us towards finals. I'll bookmark it as ammo for future discussions :lol
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Thanks Tiga.
You can PM me if you like, it will become clearer then.
I do beleive the players I have listed have a future at Punt Rd, but more importantly take us into a successfully era :thumbsup
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geez i reckon his name will be thrown out there by the club, have to if we want to move forward :rollin
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geez i reckon his name will be thrown out there by the club, have to if we want to move forward :rollin
Thank you 3rogerd.
If not, we aint moving to far
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although I havent been posting here long i have been reading this forum for awhile now,and find jack and many others here to be learned people of our game and great club.
so heads up everyone and lets debate argue and even agreee on issues but all with the grace of a london gentleman
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The grace a London Gentleman, no thanks they speak with marshmellows in their mouths.
And I don't want to sound like one of those numbnuts. :thumbsup
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I say old chap leave me out of this.........
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Jolly Good then, bye bye Mr M .White :lol
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Next up is Whitey.
22 y.o Matty played 16 games this season for a total of 54 since debuting in 2006. Best performance for the year was in our win over North in round 5 where he had 24 disposals, 6 tackles and a goal.
Games Disposals Marks Tackles G.B In50 Re50 1%ers Errors
2006: 11 11.0 3.8 2.7 2.2
2007: 7 8.6 3.7 2.1 1.0
2008: 20 13.4 4.3 3.2 11.7 2.5 1.2 4.4 4.9
2009: 16 14.7 2.9 3.9 7.4 2.8 0.9 4.6 1.1
http://finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=1739&SeasonID=ALL
http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/player_profile?pid=2006148
So Keep or Trade?
Stats like that are only just good enough for a 22 year old player. I'd be looking to trade him if the right deal came up as we have many in his age range but only if the right deal came up.
If we do keep him I would want a marked improvement next year. He is entering into his prime now and really must play at a higher level regularly.
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Interesting and valid points, tucky and MT! Can i add and could you elaborate?
A friend of mine held a coaching position at Coburg and he was very frustrated at the lack of committment he recieved from dropped senior players! He said they seemed to not care much about training and that there seemed to be a lack of accountabilty to the senior coaching panel! This relayed to me perhaps 5 years and im wondering, is this still the case? Is this what Rawlings was attemtiing to turn around?
Sorry GR12. I missed your post.
All I know is McRae when he became Coburg coach was openly very "frustrated" for want of a better word with senior Richmond players who had been dropped back to Coburg under Rawlings. I guess when certain players know their time is up that even reading them the riot act can't change a can't be stuffed anymore attitude.
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Interesting and valid points, tucky and MT! Can i add and could you elaborate?
A friend of mine held a coaching position at Coburg and he was very frustrated at the lack of committment he recieved from dropped senior players! He said they seemed to not care much about training and that there seemed to be a lack of accountabilty to the senior coaching panel! This relayed to me perhaps 5 years and im wondering, is this still the case? Is this what Rawlings was attemtiing to turn around?
Sorry GR12. I missed your post.
All I know is McRae when he became Coburg coach was openly very "frustrated" for want of a better word with senior Richmond players who had been dropped back to Coburg under Rawlings. I guess when certain players know their time is up that even reading them the riot act can't change a can't be stuffed anymore attitude.
Would you have cared? Rawlings dropped 5 in his first game and then spouted some bollocks that they could make it back. I didn't believe it then and neither did the players who probably knew their head was on the block.
Out: Joel Bowden, Jordan McMahon, Kayne Pettifer, Mark Coughlan, Troy Simmonds
3 are gone, 2 hang on by the skin of their teeth, Simmonds is only backup and may not get a game next year, McMahon may still be traded.
All they were playing for was a final exit game, a chance to exit with some dignity and Pettifer didn't even get that.
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Just a player by league standards. Extremely mediocre.
I doubt he would even be considered for a spot in most club's final 22.
Not fussed if he stays or goes but I would put his name on the trade table to see what he attracts if anything.
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I am pretty sure that one D. Jackson had very similar stats last year and look what happened to him after a great pre-season (and change of role). I think he still has lots of improvement in him and if he works hard, he can be a valuable player.
His biggest problem at the moment is he takes a few two many steps and doesn't dish off the ball when he should and ends up getting caught or passing it to a player who is now under pressure.
I'm not a big fan of his but my sister is so I will stick up for him ;D
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keep!
:)