Yeah or Neah: 35. Matthew White?

[WA Tiger]

Definitely keep

Enough said...

[WA Tiger]

one of the many reasons we aint any good as well hold onto players who arent up too it..
Liked we redrafted Howat for 3 years in a row,

Amazing, if brains were trains Jakckapparentlystar you would have the slow carriage Trade the whole club mate thats what you wan't, if you know it all go down there and get amongst it or just fffffffffff off. Your posts about this club are all the same and it's really wearing thin. If you don't like the RFC or the players, board, coach, past coaches, colour of the jumper, the boot studder, the cat at the front door, the front door mat....... then just go away we don't need you!!!!!!!!!!! I don't think I have read one positive post from you since joining this forum and like I said it is really wearing thin!!!!!

[mjs]

Don't shoot the messenger.

Jackstar is there most games and like all of us has had to cope with what has been dished up for too long - the truth is not always palatable.



 

[bushranger]

I voted a keeper as I think he has got heaps of potential.

[mat073]

2010....keep and hope like hell that Hardwick can take his game to the next level.

2011... ?

I dont think at the minute his trade value would be very high.

[cub]

^ As above, not much choice really! If you want to turn over the whole list may aswell pack up and go North 

[Jackstar is back]

one of the many reasons we aint any good as well hold onto players who arent up too it..
Liked we redrafted Howat for 3 years in a row,

Amazing, if brains were trains Jakckapparentlystar you would have the slow carriage Trade the whole club mate thats what you wan't, if you know it all go down there and get amongst it or just fffffffffff off. Your posts about this club are all the same and it's really wearing thin. If you don't like the RFC or the players, board, coach, past coaches, colour of the jumper, the boot studder, the cat at the front door, the front door mat....... then just go away we don't need you!!!!!!!!!!! I don't think I have read one positive post from you since joining this forum and like I said it is really wearing thin!!!!!

I have posted plenty of positives. stop being an behind and just highlighting negatives.
We have some really good prospects. Cotchin, Post, Reiwoldt, Morton , Vickery,
I laugh, you say ""go down there and get amongst it, well I have, and didnt like what I seen over four years as a paid employee, thus I highlight the issues in MY OPINION that aint right, If you dont like it , BAD LUCK.
As for Matty White, he struggled to understand game plans and has been there long enough..Wouldnt get a game with a top 8 club. FACT.
If you want the the tiges to play finals, I will put this to you and other nuffers on this website.

Go through the current list and list all players than CAN improve 10% from the previous years performance, those cant improve arent going to take you into a successful era.

I try give you a list of players that can improve the 10% in 2010, and players that I dont list, arent worth holding onto.

* Cotchin ( Does a pre season will improve more than 10% )
* Cousins ( proper pre season will improve 10%
* Post
* Vickery
* Lids.
* Morton
* Reiwoldt
* Nahas
* Edwards
* Collins
* Browne
* Thursfield

Thats about it.

[Go Richo 12]

Don't shoot the messenger.

Jackstar is there most games and like all of us has had to cope with what has been dished up for too long - the truth is not always palatable.



 

Mate, and im not suggesting anyone belongs in this catergory, but sometimes the people who get down to every game are a part of the problem too! I think we have all been to games where the negativity from some supporters is woeful, winning or losing! We have all put up with this crap for a very long, not just a handful of supporters, and we choose to deal with it in different ways!

I like WAT's approach as he realises that slagging off and constant negativity only exasperates the issues and does nothing at all to solve them!

[mightytiges]

I think Whitey will stay as there's so many to go before him and he's trade value would be low anyway. He's caught Rainesy's problem where he runs himself into trouble holding onto the ball too long.

Go through the current list and list all players than CAN improve 10% from the previous years performance, those cant improve arent going to take you into a successful era.

I try give you a list of players that can improve the 10% in 2010, and players that I dont list, arent worth holding onto.

* Cotchin ( Does a pre season will improve more than 10% )
* Cousins ( proper pre season will improve 10%
* Post
* Vickery
* Lids.
* Morton
* Reiwoldt
* Nahas
* Edwards
* Collins
* Browne
* Thursfield

Thats about it.

No Tambling Jack?

[Hellenic Tiger]

Look its not about who goes to all the games as some of us do and some of us don't.
If you see enough games live you tend to get a feel for the game better than on tv. On tv you get to see where the ball is and not 50 metres up or down. In some cases that's where the real issue is. Are our players making space? Are our players moving into a position to run the lines when its their turn to get the ball? Are our players putting themselves in a position to get the ball in open space? Are our players manning up running hard to follow opponents when the opposition has the ball? In most cases no.

Does not make me a better judge than anybody else however seeing others do many things right compared to ourselves makes me agree with some posters on here who want to get rid of many players on our list. Our list is extremely deficient. Right now our best 6 some of whom are developing still and are under 23 would be B grade players in good sides let alone what we perceive as A grade players in a crap side like Richmond. Week in week out or last 6 players on the ground would not get a game at pretty much other AFL sides compared to the last 6 of other sides especially the good ones.


Psychologically speaking not that I am an expert there either but we have all had enough of the failure. Whether we vent openly and bag individuals who underperform or will never perform or whether we still remain hopeful that natural progression and improvement will take place its time the club finally repay the faith to us supporters who have tolerated this on field crap for far too long. This list needs a major overhaul and there will be casualties even some unexpected ones. As far as I am concerned the RFC should consider all deals filter through the crap deals and seriously think of where they want their club to be in 3 years not round 11 2010.

[Jackstar is back]

I think Whitey will stay as there's so many to go before him and he's trade value would be low anyway. He's caught Rainesy's problem where he runs himself into trouble holding onto the ball too long.

Go through the current list and list all players than CAN improve 10% from the previous years performance, those cant improve arent going to take you into a successful era.

I try give you a list of players that can improve the 10% in 2010, and players that I dont list, arent worth holding onto.

* Cotchin ( Does a pre season will improve more than 10% )
* Cousins ( proper pre season will improve 10%
* Post
* Vickery
* Lids.
* Morton
* Reiwoldt
* Nahas
* Edwards
* Collins
* Browne
* Thursfield

Thats about it.

No Tambling Jack?

Sorry, forgot him Ooops!

Add to list

[Jackstar is back]

also read closely

SUCCESSFUL ERA

[mightytiges]

Look its not about who goes to all the games as some of us do and some of us don't.
If you see enough games live you tend to get a feel for the game better than on tv. On tv you get to see where the ball is and not 50 metres up or down. In some cases that's where the real issue is. Are our players making space? Are our players moving into a position to run the lines when its their turn to get the ball? Are our players putting themselves in a position to get the ball in open space? Are our players manning up running hard to follow opponents when the opposition has the ball? In most cases no.

Exactly Tucky. The answer is definitely no. The only time this year we played the game the way it is meant to be played was in the first half against North and most of the Essendon game we won. The structure of the side was right (tall targets up forward and enough players forward of the ball) and Tiger players were running hard into space and to support one another. The rest of the year was a shamozzle. Even at training this year a senior Tiger official I sat with called a senior player lazy (that player has gone btw). He was right too. Hardwick is going to have to strip everything back to the basics. It's a virtual re-education job. Right now most of our guys are lazy and/or dumb. They have no idea about even basic footy strategy (kick-ins, switches of play, etc) and the need to ready the play and work together. Hardwick needs to be fully hands on at training if he wants to turn us around.

As for Whitey he'd be more suited to a simpler more direct longer kicking to big forwards gamestyle. Sprint 15m then bang a 55m kick = 70m play. Our list as it stands isn't right for that style as we are too small and we lack big forwards.

[Go Richo 12]

Interesting and valid points, tucky and MT! Can i add and could you elaborate?
A friend of mine held a coaching position at Coburg and he was very frustrated at the lack of committment he recieved from dropped senior players! He said they seemed to not care much about training and that there seemed to be a lack of accountabilty to the senior coaching panel! This relayed to me perhaps 5 years and im wondering, is this still the case? Is this what Rawlings was attemtiing to turn around?

[jezza]

Jack correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't you been calling for Edwards to be delisted all season?