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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on September 09, 2009, 05:59:41 AM
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I thought I'd get everyone's thoughts on the Key Forwards available in this year's National Draft.
Here's a list of a few. Feel free to add any names that I've left out....
John Butcher (Gippsland Power, VIC)
Height: 197cm, Weight: 84kg, DOB: 03/07/91
Recruited from: Maffra
(http://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/images/uploadedfiles/editorial/pictures/2009/08/04/JOHN1_STORY_-_SQUARE_FF515162_83969.JPG)
Stats Link: (http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?player=John%20Butcher&action=PSTATS&pID=187667306&client=1-3020-0-81015-8056772) TAC Cup 2009 - 30.18 from 10 games; 2008 - 35.32 from 15; 2007 - 2 from 2.
U18 Champs report: http://www.contestedfooty.com/2009/07/john-butcher-2009-afl-draft.html (http://www.contestedfooty.com/2009/07/john-butcher-2009-afl-draft.html)
Video (3 clips): http://www.afldraftinfo.com/2009/01/john-butcher-gippsland-powervic-country.html (http://www.afldraftinfo.com/2009/01/john-butcher-gippsland-powervic-country.html)
Articles: Injury chops Butcher - Aug 19, 2009 (http://www.starnewsgroup.com.au/story/78792)
Melbourne faces decision on key forward John Butcher - Aug 12, 2009 (http://wl.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,25917217-5016161,00.html)
Butcher debuts for Maffra - Aug 5, 2009 (http://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/article/2009/08/05/99621_country-footy.html)
Draft tip Butcher carves up Metro - June 1, 2009 (http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/77947/default.aspx)
Benjamin Griffiths (Eastern Ranges, VIC)
Height: 198cm, Weight: 99kg, DOB: 17/09/91
Recruited from: Blackburn
(http://rangesfc.matchvision.com.au/media/players/images/Ben%20Griffiths.JPG)
Stats Link: (http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?player=Benjamin%20Griffiths&action=PSTATS&pID=189744915&client=1-3020-0-81015-8054968) TAC Cup 2009 - 16.11 from 9 games; 2008 - 9.4 from 8; 2007 - 5.1 from 4.
Video (9 clips): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0e1r_qYKNJg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0e1r_qYKNJg)
http://rangesfc.matchvision.com.au/player/ben_griffiths (http://rangesfc.matchvision.com.au/player/ben_griffiths)
Jake Carlisle (Calder Cannons, VIC)
Height: 196cm, Weight: 83kg, DOB: 01/10/91
Recruited from: Craigieburn
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:J97jTbO7SNE--M:http://www-static.sportingpulse.com/pics/00/00/50/55/505509_1_L.jpg)
Stats Link: (http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?player=Jake%20Carlisle&action=PSTATS&pID=189131078&client=0-3020-27642-0-8066199) TAC Cup 2009 - 17.6 from 11 games; 2008 - 0.1 from 7.
Video (1 clip): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OKDb_RRrWk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OKDb_RRrWk)
Matthew Panos (Norwood, SA)
Height: 192cm, Weight: 85kg, DOB: 25/01/91
Recruited from: Rostrevor College
(http://mm.afl.com.au/Portals/0/images/AFL/AFL%20P-T/Panos_U18s_246x316a.jpg)
Stats Link: (http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?action=PSTATS&client=1-3289-35010-51119-5123168&pID=187146258&pname=Matthew%20Panos&news_task=DETAIL) 2009 SANFL seniors - 2 goals from 2 games; 2009 ressies - 17 from 6; 2009 U18s - 20 from 6; 2008 U19s - 4 from 2; 2008 U17s - 22 from 6.
U18 Champs report: http://www.contestedfooty.com/2009/08/matthew-panos-2009-afl-draft-prospect.html (http://www.contestedfooty.com/2009/08/matthew-panos-2009-afl-draft-prospect.html)
Video (11 clips): http://www.afldraftinfo.com/2009/08/matthew-panos-norwoodsa-video-footage.html (http://www.afldraftinfo.com/2009/08/matthew-panos-norwoodsa-video-footage.html)
Aaron Black (Peel Thunder, WA)
Height: 193cm, Weight: 78kg, DOB: 29/11/90
Recruited from: Kingsley
Pic: ?
Stats:
http://www.waflonline.com.au/players/player.php?playerID=13303 (http://www.waflonline.com.au/players/player.php?playerID=13303) 2009 WAFL seniors - 1.2 from 3 games; http://wafl.pro-stats.com.au/colts/web/player_profile?pid=9097 (http://wafl.pro-stats.com.au/colts/web/player_profile?pid=9097) 2009 WAFL colts - 24.17 from 11.
Tom Hill (Northern Knights, VIC)
Height: 199cm, Weight: 82kg, DOB: 07/04/91
Recruited from: Northern Bullants FC (VAFA)
(http://images.whereilive.com.au/images/uploads/IBOLT_GG109081_4151310_resized.jpg)
Stats Link: (http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?player=Thomas%20Hill&action=PSTATS&pID=189744931&client=1-3020-0-81015-8062824) TAC Cup 2009 - 21.11 from 14 games.
Video (1 clip): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49p1gu2eiNg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49p1gu2eiNg)
Serhat Temel (Calder Cannors, VIC)
Height: 194cm, Weight: 89kg, DOB: 12/05/91
(http://www.starnewsgroup.com.au/photos/star/week26_09//large/TACCannons_17145_03_huc7.jpg)
Stats link: (http://) TAC Cup 2009 - 40.17 from 17 games; 2008 - 28.15 from 15.
Articles: Temel in fine fettle - July 7, 2009 (http://www.starnewsgroup.com.au/story/76845)
Daniel Talia (Calder Cannons, VIC) - plays defence (U18 CHB AA) and up forward
Height: 194cm, Weight: 89kg, DOB: 02/10/91
Recruited from: Assumption College
Pic (click to enlarge): (http://www-static.sportingpulse.com/pics/00/00/54/30/543054_1_T.jpg) (http://www.humeweekly.com.au/multimedia/images/full/535518.jpg)
Stats Link: (http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?player=Daniel%20Talia&action=PSTATS&pID=187804987&client=1-3020-27642-0-8066199) 2009 TAC Cup - 2.1 from 3; 2008 - 6.3 from 7
U18 Champs report: http://www.contestedfooty.com/2009/07/daniel-talia-2009-afl-draft-prospect.html (http://www.contestedfooty.com/2009/07/daniel-talia-2009-afl-draft-prospect.html)
Video (2 clips): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv8PN_msTcw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv8PN_msTcw)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWTJfMcIPLo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWTJfMcIPLo)
Articles: Showcase effort boosts draft hope - July 14, 2009 (http://www.macedonrangestelegraph.com.au/news/local/sport/football-australian-rules/showcase-effort-boosts-draft-hope/1566593.aspx)
Teen bolsters draft hopes - July 7, 2009 (http://www.humeweekly.com.au/news/local/sport/football-australian-rules/teen-bolsters-draft-hopes/1560063.aspx)
Luke McDonald (Eastern Ranges, VIC)
Height: 195cm, Weight: 92kg, DOB: 29/04/1990 (overage in TAC Cup this year)
(http://images.whereilive.com.au/images/uploads/2009/04/16/a3997feff89f59f7ee0747f0cdc87224_resized.jpg)
Pics: http://images.whereilive.com.au/images/uploads/IBOLT_GG129414_4057077_resized.jpg (http://images.whereilive.com.au/images/uploads/IBOLT_GG129414_4057077_resized.jpg)
Stats link: (http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?player=Luke%20Mcdonald&action=PSTATS&pID=149141415&client=1-3020-0-81015-8054968) TAC Cup 2009 - 64.16 from 19 games; 2008 - 12.7 from 12; 2007 - 6.4 from 20.
Video (18 clips): http://rangesfc.matchvision.com.au/player/luke_mcdonald (http://rangesfc.matchvision.com.au/player/luke_mcdonald)
Articles: Lucky 13 for Ranges’ Luke - April 16, 2009 (http://leader-news.whereilive.com.au/sport/story/lucky-13-for-luke/)
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I'd like Griffiths and Talia
I wonder if we can somehow trade Pick 3 for 2 x Top 10 picks to get both
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I just worry about Butcher because he's from Maffra. No-one good ever comes from Maffra.
Also, Jeff Gieschen was from Maffra :yep
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I just worry about Butcher because he's from Maffra. No-one good ever comes from Maffra.
Also, Jeff Gieschen was from Maffra :yep
And yet Maffra always seem to be winning premierships in the G-LFL! But that was after Geishen left :)
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I'd like Griffiths and Talia
I wonder if we can somehow trade Pick 3 for 2 x Top 10 picks to get both
It would be near impossible for one team to get two top 10 picks and then trade for one....Freo might though
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I just worry about Butcher because he's from Maffra. No-one good ever comes from Maffra.
Also, Jeff Gieschen was from Maffra :yep
And yet Maffra always seem to be winning premierships in the G-LFL! But that was after Geishen left :)
They have some gun players, a couple made AFL lists. Apart from Ben Robbins, none ever had successful AFL careers.
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I'd like Griffiths and Talia
I wonder if we can somehow trade Pick 3 for 2 x Top 10 picks to get both
It would be near impossible for one team to get two top 10 picks and then trade for one....Freo might though
I reckon Melbourne could get another top 10 for Colin Sylvia.
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I just worry about Butcher because he's from Maffra. No-one good ever comes from Maffra.
Also, Jeff Gieschen was from Maffra :yep
DISAGREE. Alot of highest quality footballers in the country have come out of that league & club. THE LIST IS HUGE who have won Brownlows & gone onto coaching & current day & still producing
One of the best breeding zones in the country WGLVFL (LVFL) in fact so strong it fielded a team in the Old VFA
Alot of VFL/AFL players retire back into the league where is remains to produce high standard football & AFL breeding ground
A list of players from that league would take hours to put together with Brownlow medalists & High profile coaches
Richmond had a good forward in Adrian Burgiel (Maffra) on the list who they failed to develope, so he turned his back on AFL after being delisted.
Highly regarded player, & his brother who turned games on thier own boot. Butchers father considered one of the best Maffra produced & his son following.
Maffra have produced some very good footballers :thumbsup
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I'd like Griffiths and Talia
I wonder if we can somehow trade Pick 3 for 2 x Top 10 picks to get both
It would be near impossible for one team to get two top 10 picks and then trade for one....Freo might though
Not sure Freo would trade 4 & another top 10 to jump up 1 spot in the draft
Perhaps West Coast would like to jump ahead of Freo, wonder if they can get another Top 10-12 pick for one of their players though
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I'm not sure why anyone would want to trade out of the top 3. These early picks are golden. It's probably a bonus for us that Butcher is being scrutinised as he might be available at pick 3. I could live with a big key forward who averages 3 goals per game over his career even when carrying an injury.
If we end up trading with one of top 4 clubs we could always try to upgrade pick 19 to pick 14 or 15 as part of a deal (say part of Tuck trade). Given all the mids available early on another KPP should still be around in the teens. No one can predict the draft order anyway. The last time we tried to claim and read a "weak" draft (2007) during the trade week we found out the hard way that the kids we wanted yet thought would be gone were still available at our 2nd (and could've been 3rd) pick. After seeing the U18s champs I believe there's more than 12 good kids available before it becomes speculative.
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Interesting point, but I would do not like the idea of upgrading high picks for a player. I prefer the high pick as it gives greater odds of picking a good player. Sometimes top picks fail but rarely do more than a few in the top 20 fall over.
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I just worry about Butcher because he's from Maffra. No-one good ever comes from Maffra.
Also, Jeff Gieschen was from Maffra :yep
And yet Maffra always seem to be winning premierships in the G-LFL! But that was after Geishen left :)
Yes & Maffra yesterday beat a very strong Moe side coached by Troy Makepeace (Kangaroos) & will play Traralgon next week in another Grand Final appearance
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I just worry about Butcher because he's from Maffra. No-one good ever comes from Maffra.
Also, Jeff Gieschen was from Maffra :yep
And yet Maffra always seem to be winning premierships in the G-LFL! But that was after Geishen left :)
Yes & Maffra yesterday beat a very strong Moe side coached by Troy Makepeace (Kangaroos) & will play Traralgon next week in another Grand Final appearance
Are you from Maffra?
I drive through the town a couple of years ago, the old duck in the information centre was very helpful.
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I'd like Griffiths and Talia
I wonder if we can somehow trade Pick 3 for 2 x Top 10 picks to get both
Talia will slide anyway.
I'm not overly impressed with him, outside a good U/18 champs, not unlike a big key forward we de-listed this year. :whistle
He's also injury prone and has torn his hamstring tendon most recently I believe. Thus gone for the season.
Talia will go past pick 15 I reckon, possibly into the 20s.
Give me Carlisle above Talia any day.
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Aaron Black has come into major calculations. If he is still there at our R2 selection pick 19 then we should call out his name.
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Temel kicked 7 today in Calder's win over Gippsland. Butcher kicked 2 for the Power.
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Temel kicked 7 today in Calder's win over Gippsland. Butcher kicked 2 for the Power.
hmm, he doesn't often set the world on fire ...which is what I would have resonably expected from the glowing reports ???
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What's the main knock on Temel because 15 goals in two finals is something a recruiter would take notice of yet people have him as a late pick?
Is it a lack of speed/mobility or something else?
Did anyone here see him play for Coburg seconds earlier this year? Apparently he kicked 5 goals.
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Would definitely consider Temel for one of what will most likely be a plethora of 3rd round picks
Even Daw I'd take a punt on with a 3rd or 4th rounder
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Does anyone remember why Fevola went at 38?
What were the knocks on him?
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Does anyone remember why Fevola went at 38?
What were the knocks on him?
Not sure if you saw the photo of him swinging a dildo above his head last week but that is him at 28.
It was also him at 27.
At 26 he p155ed onto the window of a bar
At 23 he robbed a dry cleaner of a shirt.
Imagine what he got up at 16 or 17?
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Imagine what he got up at 16 or 17?
So, highly rated but a wanker.
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If you haven't swung a dildo above your head by the age of 28, you haven't lived.
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Does anyone remember why Fevola went at 38?
What were the knocks on him?
He's pretty short for a FF
Goes to show, height isn't everything
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Does anyone remember why Fevola went at 38?
What were the knocks on him?
There was a doco done on the U18s at the time Fev was drafted. Basically it followed his progress and a couple of other draftees in the months leading up to his draft. I can't remember what footy related knocks were on him (fitness?) but yeah attitude and maturity or lack of it may have had something to do with him ending up a 3rd round pick. He was a laid back kid who liked to joke around.
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i want Temel!
take him!
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Does anyone remember why Fevola went at 38?
What were the knocks on him?
Not sure if you saw the photo of him swinging a dildo above his head last week but that is him at 28.
It was also him at 27.
At 26 he p155ed onto the window of a bar
At 23 he robbed a dry cleaner of a shirt.
Imagine what he got up at 16 or 17?
Who gives a stuff what he has done, he is a superstar and i could put up with his issues if he was kicking the RFC into the finals. 15 clubs made a mistake not drafting Fev. Fact!
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Fev=Gun
its as simple as that.
ooh my he had a dildo hanging around his head. WHO stuffin CARES!!
Compare that to drink driving or some other acts footballers have done in the past few years.
You cant compare him to some of those fools. He is a class above those idiots
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Does anyone remember why Fevola went at 38?
What were the knocks on him?
Not sure if you saw the photo of him swinging a dildo above his head last week but that is him at 28.
It was also him at 27.
At 26 he p155ed onto the window of a bar
At 23 he robbed a dry cleaner of a shirt.
Imagine what he got up at 16 or 17?
Who gives a eff what he has done, he is a superstar and i could put up with his issues if he was kicking the RFC into the finals. 15 clubs made a mistake not drafting Fev. Fact!
Listen, it was a tongue in cheek reply to a fair question.
You too simple to work that out?
The reason he wasn't picked up early was because his attitude was questionable.
To his credit, he finally pulled himself together but not before he was nearly traded a few years ago, ironically to the Tigers.
For every Fev, there are dozens like him with the talent that they don't apply and end up on the scrap heap. Read:- Daniel Connors.
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Who gives a stuff what he has done, he is a superstar and i could put up with his issues if he was kicking the RFC into the finals. 15 clubs made a mistake not drafting Fev. Fact!
Yep, he's been so successful in getting that self-righteous group into the finals on a consistent basis hasn't he.
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Does anyone remember why Fevola went at 38?
What were the knocks on him?
Not sure if you saw the photo of him swinging a dildo above his head last week but that is him at 28.
It was also him at 27.
At 26 he p155ed onto the window of a bar
At 23 he robbed a dry cleaner of a shirt.
Imagine what he got up at 16 or 17?
Who gives a stuff what he has done, he is a superstar and i could put up with his issues if he was kicking the RFC into the finals. 15 clubs made a mistake not drafting Fev. Fact!
Listen, it was a tongue in cheek reply to a fair question.
You too simple to work that out?
The reason he wasn't picked up early was because his attitude was questionable.
To his credit, he finally pulled himself together but not before he was nearly traded a few years ago, ironically to the Tigers.
For every Fev, there are dozens like him with the talent that they don't apply and end up on the scrap heap. Read:- Daniel Connors.
I wasn't having a go at your post, i was simply saying who cares what he does off field as long as he is kicking goals on field. Or are YOU to stupid to work that out!
So take that tongue out of your cheek!!
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Who gives a stuff what he has done, he is a superstar and i could put up with his issues if he was kicking the RFC into the finals. 15 clubs made a mistake not drafting Fev. Fact!
Yep, he's been so successful in getting that self-righteous group into the finals on a consistent basis hasn't he.
Like Lockett at St. Kilda in the early 90's, i don't think you can blame Fev for Carlton not being sucsessful throughout his career. Not sure on his states but he has been really good in a side that has been terrible for a long time like us.
Talk to me in a few years time and see if you can say the same thing. :thumbsup
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Leave the insults out of posts ppl ::)
An opinion on Temel from BF's trading board
In a shallow weak draft- especially for talls Temel has probably worked his way into the 3rd round. He will test poorly in my opinion for agility and he isnt an endurance athlete but he has the best pair of hands in the TAC and is a natural instinctive goalkicker.
Jake Carlisle played himself into a first round definate yesterday. He was able to match Butcher in all facets as well as being an attacking defender who started attacks. He also looked dangerous as a forward.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=15723244&postcount=938
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Leave the insults out of posts ppl ::)
An opinion on Temel from BF's trading board
In a shallow weak draft- especially for talls Temel has probably worked his way into the 3rd round. He will test poorly in my opinion for agility and he isnt an endurance athlete but he has the best pair of hands in the TAC and is a natural instinctive goalkicker.
Jake Carlisle played himself into a first round definate yesterday. He was able to match Butcher in all facets as well as being an attacking defender who started attacks. He also looked dangerous as a forward.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=15723244&postcount=938
I'm done, better things to do than respond to carlton trolls.
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When Temel played a game for Coburg ressies this year along with our Cleve and Browne.
Coburg Tigers 21.20 (146)
Bendigo Bombers 11.8 (74)
Coburg Tigers
Goal Kickers: S. Temel 5, T. Abdallah 4, C. Hughes 3, A. Meroli 2, C. Smith 2, J. Bassi, J. Kandilakis, M. Ambrose, J. Horne, N. Wood
Best Players: N. Cattapan, A. Browne, S. Temel, J. Keogh, T. Abdallah, N. Wood
So Richmond reps. should have seen him play up close.
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heard he is extremely slow and most probably a VFL standard player only.
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Leave the insults out of posts ppl ::)
An opinion on Temel from BF's trading board
In a shallow weak draft- especially for talls Temel has probably worked his way into the 3rd round. He will test poorly in my opinion for agility and he isnt an endurance athlete but he has the best pair of hands in the TAC and is a natural instinctive goalkicker.
Jake Carlisle played himself into a first round definate yesterday. He was able to match Butcher in all facets as well as being an attacking defender who started attacks. He also looked dangerous as a forward.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=15723244&postcount=938
we need players like that! take Temel!
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Leave the insults out of posts ppl ::)
An opinion on Temel from BF's trading board
In a shallow weak draft- especially for talls Temel has probably worked his way into the 3rd round. He will test poorly in my opinion for agility and he isnt an endurance athlete but he has the best pair of hands in the TAC and is a natural instinctive goalkicker.
Jake Carlisle played himself into a first round definate yesterday. He was able to match Butcher in all facets as well as being an attacking defender who started attacks. He also looked dangerous as a forward.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=15723244&postcount=938
I'm done, better things to do than respond to carlton trolls.
I hate Carlton!!..
The posts read better with the insults. :cheers
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John Butcher (Gippsland Power)
197 cm
84 kg
03/07/91
Maffra
TAC Cup:
2009:
32.19 (11)
2008:
35.32 (15)
2007:
2 (2)
Benjamin Griffiths (Eastern Ranges)
198 cm
99 kg
17/09/91
Blackburn
TAC Cup:
2009:
16.11 (9)
2008:
9.4 ( 8 )
2007:
5.1 (4)
Jake Carlisle (Calder Cannons)
196 cm
83 kg
DOB: 01/10/91
Craigieburn
TAC Cup:
2009:
17.6 (11)
2008:
0.1 (7)
Matthew Panos (Norwood)
192 cm
85 kg
DOB: 25/01/91
Rostrevor College
SANFL:
2009:
Seniors:
2 (2)
Reserves:
17 (6)
U18's:
20 (6)
2008:
U19's:
4 (2)
U17's:
22 (6)
Aaron Black (Peel Thunder)
193 cm
78 kg
29/11/90
Kingsley
WAFL:
2009:
Seniors:
1.2 (3)
Colt's:
24.17 (11)
Tom Hill (Northern Knights)
199 cm
82 kg
07/04/91
Northern Bullants FC (VAFA)
TAC Cup:
2009:
21.11 (14)
Serhat Temel (Calder Cannors)
194 cm
89kg
12/05/91
TAC Cup:
2009:
47.19 (18)
2008:
28.15 (15)
Daniel Talia (Calder Cannons)
194 cm
89 kg
02/10/91
Assumption College
TAC Cup:
2009:
2.1 (3)
2008:
6.3 (7)
Luke McDonald (Eastern Ranges)
195 cm
92 kg
29/04/1990
TAC Cup:
2009:
64.16 (19)
2008:
12.7 (12)
2007:
6.4 (20)
torch's picks:
Temel (Calder Cannons)
Panos (Norwood)
Griffiths (Eastern Rangers)
McDonald (Eastern Rangers)
Carlisle (Calder Cannons)
Butcher (Gippsland Power)
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temels as slow as treakle. I dont rate McDonald either. Panos is similar to what we already have size wise. Talia is ok for key defence post.
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temel looks good for a R22 pick
Butcher with R1 Temel R2 then a few mids afterward then a ruck option late, maybe that african kid
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Big power forwards win you big matches.
Just look at this Prelim.
Saints have Riewoldt. Dogs don't have one. Hence in a low scoring game they had noone to kick multiple goals and take 12 marks and the Saints make the GF.
If Butcher is available get him. KPP do not grow on trees. We need him more than another midfielder right now. Hawks went with Roughhead and Franklin with their first few choices in 2004 and it bore fruit in 08. The top 10 looks like it will be all mids bar Butcher. If Melb go Scully and Trengove we need to go Butcher.
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So true Tucky. Quality big strong key forwards are priceless.
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One of the papers today (I think it was the HUN) reckons Temel has become a smokie in the draft
Kicked 19 goals in the last 3 games after kicking 49.12 goals for the season
Hmmmmmmmmmm ;D
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A question for those on here that watch a bit of these kids - is Butcher good enough to justify pick #3? I only ask because he doesn't appear to have been setting the world on fire in his own age group recently and I wonder if he has enough 'development' in him to become a true long term key forward?
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One of the papers today (I think it was the HUN) reckons Temel has become a smokie in the draft
Kicked 19 goals in the last 3 games after kicking 49.12 goals for the season
Hmmmmmmmmmm ;D
In my opinion any club using a pick inside the first 50 picks for Temel are idiots. He is a VFL standard player. Id feel sick if we picked him with any pick up to mid 60s. If he is available after that then ok but before then and its a bulltish decision.
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Temel kicked 2 today in Calder's win over Eastern.
Griffiths apparently went down with an injury in the 1st quarter. Not sure what it is yet.
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Temel kicked 2 today in Calder's win over Eastern.
Griffiths apparently went down with an injury in the 1st quarter. Not sure what it is yet.
griffiths does seem to get injured quite a bit. tho that might be alright as it may make the chance of him falling to our 2nd round pick higher. i like.
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Temel kicked 2 today in Calder's win over Eastern.
Griffiths apparently went down with an injury in the 1st quarter. Not sure what it is yet.
griffiths does seem to get injured quite a bit. tho that might be alright as it may make the chance of him falling to our 2nd round pick higher. i like.
BF saying Griffiths popped his shoulder but today's Age says it's a knee ???
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A question for those on here that watch a bit of these kids - is Butcher good enough to justify pick #3? I only ask because he doesn't appear to have been setting the world on fire in his own age group recently and I wonder if he has enough 'development' in him to become a true long term key forward?
He did play for Maffra yesterday.
Kicked a goal and was named in the bests.
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BF saying Griffiths popped his shoulder but today's Age says it's a knee ???
From this we can agree it is a joint either knee or shoulder, unless it has moved of course
Wonder if it rules him out of the draft camp
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A question for those on here that watch a bit of these kids - is Butcher good enough to justify pick #3? I only ask because he doesn't appear to have been setting the world on fire in his own age group recently and I wonder if he has enough 'development' in him to become a true long term key forward?
He did play for Maffra yesterday.
Kicked a goal and was named in the bests.
From BF
Unbelievable finish to a game! As a neutral I wasnt fussed who won either way, but Maffra should have won that game by 6 goals so the right result came thru at the end. Butcher, what do you say, should have won game off own boot, but nearly lost them the game, first time seeing him and very impressed. Dont know who he was but #7 from Maffra was a standout for me in second half.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=15779946&postcount=179
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A question for those on here that watch a bit of these kids - is Butcher good enough to justify pick #3? I only ask because he doesn't appear to have been setting the world on fire in his own age group recently and I wonder if he has enough 'development' in him to become a true long term key forward?
He did play for Maffra yesterday.
Kicked a goal and was named in the bests.
From BF
Unbelievable finish to a game! As a neutral I wasnt fussed who won either way, but Maffra should have won that game by 6 goals so the right result came thru at the end. Butcher, what do you say, should have won game off own boot, but nearly lost them the game, first time seeing him and very impressed. Dont know who he was but #7 from Maffra was a standout for me in second half.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=15779946&postcount=179
Thanks Wayne. Sounds like he can mix it so that eases the fears somewhat. :thumbsup
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i dont know what you make of his bad kicking.
All reports suggest he has a terrible kicking technique.
do we really want someone who has suspect kicking, we have quite a few already.
Then again Nick R has a dodgy kick but is a deadset supersdtar
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i dont know what you make of his bad kicking.
All reports suggest he has a terrible kicking technique.
do we really want someone who has suspect kicking, we have quite a few already.
Then again Nick R has a dodgy kick but is a deadset supersdtar
We've had Richo for 17 seasons and he can't kick for goal. Now we'll have Butcher. ;D
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I've been told Butcher kicked about 1 goal 6-7 behinds
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I've been told Butcher kicked about 1 goal 6-7 behinds
You don't lose the ability to get the footy just as Richo hasn't over the years.
Just needs the right nurturing and that 1-7 will turn around and be 5-3 one day with the right development and boost to his confidence. KPP'S with GC and WS imminent arrival will be as rare as hence teeth in the early rounds of drafts. We need to pick Butcher up with our pick 3.
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Here are some results from the W.A. state screening ......
Height
2. Joel Houghton 194.3cm
Agility run
5. Joel Houghton 8.53 sec
20m Shuttle Run
1. Joel Houghton 15.1
Has anyone here seen enough of Houghton to say he'd be someone we'd look at at say pick 35? Is he someone who has some natural footy ability or is he another Gourdis (an athlete instead of a footballer)?
Here's some youtube footage of Houghton:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcfsx7HrWzI&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcfsx7HrWzI&feature=player_embedded)
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Impressive, apart from the drop of the ball whilst kicking looks pretty well the full package. Reminds me of Lucus in his hay day
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WOW!!! This kid look great. I hope we take him with pick 19 but i recon he will go under pick 15 even top 10. :cheers
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I can't see any kid only selected for a state screening going 1st round, however he certainly looks like a pretty decent player.
Would certainly like to see us take a punt on a tall like him with one of our 3rd rounders. I wouldn't want to take a risk on a player who hasn't been tried at a higher level with any Top 20 pick.
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Highlight footage on youtube isn't a great way of judging footy talent as they can make most of these kids look great but some of those second efforts for a 195cm tall kid looked impressive and the footage seemed to back up his strong agility results at the state screening.
Houghton played in the U18 Champs for WA and looked okay in general play albeit in the strongest state team (8 goals from 5 games). He kicked 45 goals from 18 games in the WAFL colts and was named at FF in the Colts team of the year. Here's his colts' stats:
http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?player=Joel%20Houghton&action=PSTATS&pID=188959412&client=1-2393-0-83215-4374305 (http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?player=Joel%20Houghton&action=PSTATS&pID=188959412&client=1-2393-0-83215-4374305)
Given we are going for a midfielder with our first pick I was interested in any key forwards that may be found later on who may be underrated. I've heard the WA sides are interested in Houghton with their 3rd round picks and we have ours just before theirs. Hopefully with our apparent scouts in WA this year we've kept a close eye on these WA kids.
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I'd be happy for us to go with Tom Hill with our 5th or 6th pick. He's got good hands, moves well for his size (199) and has a lot of upside. He's been injured a lot which is why I wouldn't risk an earlier pick. Needs to build up in the gym, so would be a 'project' player, but is a natural footballer rather than an athlete turned footballer.
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I'd be happy for us to go with Tom Hill with our 5th or 6th pick. He's got good hands, moves well for his size (199) and has a lot of upside. He's been injured a lot which is why I wouldn't risk an earlier pick. Needs to build up in the gym, so would be a 'project' player, but is a natural footballer rather than an athlete turned footballer.
Some footage of Hill
http://www.afldraftinfo.com/2009/04/tom-hill-northern-knightsvic-metro.html (http://www.afldraftinfo.com/2009/04/tom-hill-northern-knightsvic-metro.html)
and Stats:
http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?player=Tom%20Hill&action=PSTATS&pID=187669763&client=0-3020-27635-0-8062824 (http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?player=Tom%20Hill&action=PSTATS&pID=187669763&client=0-3020-27635-0-8062824)
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Just re-read this thread. What happened to Butcher? A month ago he was everyones no 3 and then lucky to make top 10? What's the go? Also, any news on how Temel tested?
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A write-up on Joel Houghton from afldraftinfo
http://www.afldraftinfo.com/2009/10/joel-houghton-claremontwa-draft-profile.html