Your thoughts on Key Forwards in this year's Draft

[one-eyed]

I thought I'd get everyone's thoughts on the Key Forwards available in this year's National Draft.

Here's a list of a few. Feel free to add any names that I've left out....


John Butcher (Gippsland Power, VIC)
Height: 197cm, Weight: 84kg, DOB: 03/07/91
Recruited from: Maffra

Stats Link: TAC Cup 2009 - 30.18 from 10 games; 2008 - 35.32 from 15; 2007 - 2 from 2.
U18 Champs report: http://www.contestedfooty.com/2009/07/john-butcher-2009-afl-draft.html
Video (3 clips): http://www.afldraftinfo.com/2009/01/john-butcher-gippsland-powervic-country.html
Articles: Injury chops Butcher - Aug 19, 2009
            Melbourne faces decision on key forward John Butcher - Aug 12, 2009
            Butcher debuts for Maffra - Aug 5, 2009
            Draft tip Butcher carves up Metro - June 1, 2009

Benjamin Griffiths (Eastern Ranges, VIC)
Height: 198cm, Weight: 99kg, DOB: 17/09/91
Recruited from: Blackburn

Stats Link: TAC Cup 2009 - 16.11 from 9 games; 2008 - 9.4 from 8; 2007 - 5.1 from 4.
Video (9 clips): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0e1r_qYKNJg
                      http://rangesfc.matchvision.com.au/player/ben_griffiths

Jake Carlisle (Calder Cannons, VIC)
Height: 196cm, Weight: 83kg, DOB: 01/10/91
Recruited from: Craigieburn

Stats Link: TAC Cup 2009 - 17.6 from 11 games; 2008 - 0.1 from 7.
Video (1 clip): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OKDb_RRrWk

Matthew Panos (Norwood, SA)
Height: 192cm, Weight: 85kg, DOB: 25/01/91
Recruited from: Rostrevor College

Stats Link: 2009 SANFL seniors - 2 goals from 2 games; 2009 ressies - 17 from 6; 2009 U18s - 20 from 6; 2008 U19s - 4 from 2; 2008 U17s - 22 from 6.
U18 Champs report: http://www.contestedfooty.com/2009/08/matthew-panos-2009-afl-draft-prospect.html
Video (11 clips): http://www.afldraftinfo.com/2009/08/matthew-panos-norwoodsa-video-footage.html

Aaron Black (Peel Thunder, WA)
Height: 193cm, Weight: 78kg, DOB: 29/11/90
Recruited from: Kingsley
Pic: ?
Stats:
http://www.waflonline.com.au/players/player.php?playerID=13303 2009 WAFL seniors - 1.2 from 3 games; http://wafl.pro-stats.com.au/colts/web/player_profile?pid=9097 2009 WAFL colts - 24.17 from 11.


Tom Hill (Northern Knights, VIC)
Height: 199cm, Weight: 82kg, DOB: 07/04/91
Recruited from: Northern Bullants FC (VAFA)

Stats Link: TAC Cup 2009 - 21.11 from 14 games.
Video (1 clip): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49p1gu2eiNg

Serhat Temel (Calder Cannors, VIC)
Height: 194cm, Weight: 89kg, DOB: 12/05/91

Stats link: TAC Cup 2009 - 40.17 from 17 games; 2008 - 28.15 from 15.
Articles: Temel in fine fettle - July 7, 2009

Daniel Talia (Calder Cannons, VIC) - plays defence (U18 CHB AA) and up forward
Height: 194cm, Weight: 89kg, DOB: 02/10/91
Recruited from: Assumption College
Pic (click to enlarge):
Stats Link: 2009 TAC Cup - 2.1 from 3; 2008 - 6.3 from 7
U18 Champs report: http://www.contestedfooty.com/2009/07/daniel-talia-2009-afl-draft-prospect.html
Video (2 clips): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv8PN_msTcw
                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWTJfMcIPLo
Articles: Showcase effort boosts draft hope - July 14, 2009
            Teen bolsters draft hopes - July 7, 2009

Luke McDonald (Eastern Ranges, VIC)
Height: 195cm, Weight: 92kg, DOB: 29/04/1990 (overage in TAC Cup this year)

Pics: http://images.whereilive.com.au/images/uploads/IBOLT_GG129414_4057077_resized.jpg
Stats link: TAC Cup 2009 - 64.16 from 19 games; 2008 - 12.7 from 12; 2007 - 6.4 from 20.
Video (18 clips): http://rangesfc.matchvision.com.au/player/luke_mcdonald
Articles: Lucky 13 for Ranges’ Luke - April 16, 2009

[Infamy]

I'd like Griffiths and Talia
I wonder if we can somehow trade Pick 3 for 2 x Top 10 picks to get both

[wayne]

I just worry about Butcher because he's from Maffra. No-one good ever comes from Maffra.

Also, Jeff Gieschen was from Maffra 

[Go Richo 12]

I just worry about Butcher because he's from Maffra. No-one good ever comes from Maffra.

Also, Jeff Gieschen was from Maffra 

And yet Maffra always seem to be winning premierships in the G-LFL! But that was after Geishen left

[Gracie]

I'd like Griffiths and Talia
I wonder if we can somehow trade Pick 3 for 2 x Top 10 picks to get both

It would be near impossible for one team to get two top 10 picks and then trade for one....Freo might though

[wayne]

I just worry about Butcher because he's from Maffra. No-one good ever comes from Maffra.

Also, Jeff Gieschen was from Maffra 

And yet Maffra always seem to be winning premierships in the G-LFL! But that was after Geishen left

They have some gun players, a couple made AFL lists. Apart from Ben Robbins, none ever had successful AFL careers.

[wayne]

I'd like Griffiths and Talia
I wonder if we can somehow trade Pick 3 for 2 x Top 10 picks to get both

It would be near impossible for one team to get two top 10 picks and then trade for one....Freo might though

I reckon Melbourne could get another top 10 for Colin Sylvia.

[Tigermonk]

I just worry about Butcher because he's from Maffra. No-one good ever comes from Maffra.

Also, Jeff Gieschen was from Maffra 

DISAGREE.  Alot of highest quality footballers in the country have come out of that league & club. THE LIST IS HUGE who have won Brownlows & gone onto coaching & current day & still producing
One of the best breeding zones in the country WGLVFL (LVFL) in fact so strong it fielded a team in the Old VFA
Alot of VFL/AFL players retire back into the league where is remains to produce high standard football & AFL breeding ground
A list of players from that league would take hours to put together with Brownlow medalists & High profile coaches

Richmond had a good forward in Adrian Burgiel (Maffra) on the list who they failed to develope, so he turned his back on AFL after being delisted.
Highly regarded player,  & his brother who turned games on thier own boot. Butchers father considered one of the best Maffra produced & his son following.
Maffra have produced some very good footballers 

[Infamy]

I'd like Griffiths and Talia
I wonder if we can somehow trade Pick 3 for 2 x Top 10 picks to get both

It would be near impossible for one team to get two top 10 picks and then trade for one....Freo might though

Not sure Freo would trade 4 & another top 10 to jump up 1 spot in the draft
Perhaps West Coast would like to jump ahead of Freo, wonder if they can get another Top 10-12 pick for one of their players though

[mightytiges]

I'm not sure why anyone would want to trade out of the top 3. These early picks are golden. It's probably a bonus for us that Butcher is being scrutinised as he might be available at pick 3. I could live with a big key forward who averages 3 goals per game over his career even when carrying an injury.

If we end up trading with one of top 4 clubs we could always try to upgrade pick 19 to pick 14 or 15 as part of a deal (say part of Tuck trade). Given all the mids available early on another KPP should still be around in the teens. No one can predict the draft order anyway. The last time we tried to claim and read a "weak" draft (2007) during the trade week we found out the hard way that the kids we wanted yet thought would be gone were still available at our 2nd (and could've been 3rd) pick. After seeing the U18s champs I believe there's more than 12 good kids available before it becomes speculative.

[camboon]

Interesting point, but I would do not like the idea of upgrading high picks for a player. I prefer the high pick as it gives greater odds of picking a good player. Sometimes top picks fail but rarely do more than a few in the top 20 fall over.

[Tigermonk]

I just worry about Butcher because he's from Maffra. No-one good ever comes from Maffra.

Also, Jeff Gieschen was from Maffra 

And yet Maffra always seem to be winning premierships in the G-LFL! But that was after Geishen left

Yes & Maffra yesterday beat a very strong Moe side coached by Troy Makepeace (Kangaroos) & will play Traralgon next week in another Grand Final appearance

[yellowandback]

I just worry about Butcher because he's from Maffra. No-one good ever comes from Maffra.

Also, Jeff Gieschen was from Maffra 

And yet Maffra always seem to be winning premierships in the G-LFL! But that was after Geishen left

Yes & Maffra yesterday beat a very strong Moe side coached by Troy Makepeace (Kangaroos) & will play Traralgon next week in another Grand Final appearance

Are you from Maffra?
 I drive through the town a couple of years ago, the old duck in the information centre was very helpful.

[tigersalive]

I'd like Griffiths and Talia
I wonder if we can somehow trade Pick 3 for 2 x Top 10 picks to get both

Talia will slide anyway.

I'm not overly impressed with him, outside a good U/18 champs, not unlike a big key forward we de-listed this year. 

He's also injury prone and has torn his hamstring tendon most recently I believe.  Thus gone for the season.

Talia will go past pick 15 I reckon, possibly into the 20s.

Give me Carlisle above Talia any day.

[Ramps]

Aaron Black has come into major calculations. If he is still there at our R2 selection pick 19 then we should call out his name.