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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on November 05, 2009, 04:39:56 PM
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Emma Quayle's view on who Richmond may go for at pick 19....
http://twitter.com/emmasq
Q. Hi Emma - If Griffiths/Fitzpatrick/Bastinac/Menzel/Gysberts/Christensen/Taylor/Vardy are available at 19, who should the Tiges pick?
Emma Quayle: I'm a gysberts/Taylor/christensen/bastinac fan but Griffiths may suit needs
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I asked Emma who she thinks will get at 19 and she said Luke Tapscott.
A surprise as I thought he wouldn't last anywhere near till our second pick.
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please draft Griffiths at 19 Richmond :pray
Bastinic - if Griffiths isn't available.
:)
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Gee 19 seems so far away from 1, 2 & 3 doesn't it? Do we think Bastinic and Griffiths will be available at 19??
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Gee 19 seems so far away from 1, 2 & 3 doesn't it? Do we think Bastinic and Griffiths will be available at 19??
You never know as there's always surprises and they both could go before our pick but they should be around that mark you would think.
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Gee 19 seems so far away from 1, 2 & 3 doesn't it? Do we think Bastinic and Griffiths will be available at 19??
You never know as there's always surprises and they both could go before our pick but they should be around that mark you would think.
Thats the best thing isn't it OE.... who knows.... fingers crossed eh!!
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Luke Ball 8)
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Luke Ball 8)
Well you never know..... but I doubt it.... :shh
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I asked Emma who she thinks will get at 19 and she said Luke Tapscott.
A surprise as I thought he wouldn't last anywhere near till our second pick.
Luke Tapscott
D.O.B: 28-Jun-1991
Club: North Adelaide
State: SA
Height: 180cm
Weight: 86kg
Position: Forward
Powerful forward/midfielder with great hands. Foot skills and ball winning abilities are both exceptional. Strong performer for SA at NAB AFL U18 Championships with thirty inside 50?s, nine goals and All-Australian honours. From Orroroo FC.
Video highlights (http://offseasondraft.championdata.com/afl_off_season_draft/offSeasonDraft/player_profile.jsp?player_id=113173)
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at this point i'm quite happy with either griffiths/bastinac/tapscott
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I'll be so ticked off if Richmond choose Tapscott, or some other onballer at pick 19, that I'll re-build the old social club, just so I can burn it down.
Wake up Richmond,WE NEED KEY POSITION PLAYERS!!!!! This whole argument of recruiting the best available player over needs is both a fallacy, and a crock, and is why our club is in its' current ladder position. Basically, those who don't learn from the mistakes of the past are condemned to commit them OVER AND OVER AGAIN (think Fiora over Pavlich, and Tambling over Buddy here.) Now with Richo retired,we need a marquee tall forward more than ever. With that in mind, when pick 19 rolls around, we need to call out either: Daniel Tala, Ben Griffiths, Jake Carlisle, Serhat Temel,or someone of similar proportions I may have overlooked.
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You would think if one of Griffiths, Carlisle or Talia is still around at 19 we will go tall. Then again FJ said we went for talls last year so even though we need more KPPs who knows :-\.
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plenty of talls throughout the draft, we cant reach for a player, we cant afford to, we need 3 x 150 game players from pick 3, 19 and 35. If that means 2 midfielders and 1 key then fine. I wouldnt be complaining if we end up with a Martin/Bartlett or Martin/Sheppard combo although I like Ben Griffiths for what he could bring to us.
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I'll be so ticked off if Richmond choose Tapscott, or some other onballer at pick 19, that I'll re-build the old social club, just so I can burn it down.
:ROTFL
Wake up Richmond,WE NEED KEY POSITION PLAYERS!!!!! This whole argument of recruiting the best available player over needs is both a fallacy, and a crock, and is why our club is in its' current ladder position. Basically, those who don't learn from the mistakes of the past are condemned to commit them OVER AND OVER AGAIN (think Fiora over Pavlich, and Tambling over Buddy here.)
Those comparisons do not back up your argument. Picking Fiora over Pavlich does not condemn the 'best player over needs' idea. It simply shows that RFC didnt know who the best player was. If they picked Fiora because they thought he was a better player than Pavlich, then history shows that they were wrong. (although I remember reading somewhere that they made that decision because they thought they needed mids more than KPPF because of the Richo factor. Dont know if thats true.)
The same with Tabling V Buddy, so far you would have to say that buddy has been the better player so again if richmond picked tambling because they thouight he was a better player, up to now you have to say their judjment was wrong.
Just on the tabling V buddy debate, if Richmond had taken buddy and hawthorne taken tambling, i wonder if buddy would still be regarded as the better pick?
Richmond's problem has not been that our drafting policy (ie on ground position of player drafted) but more that
1 They have drafted the wrong player full stop.
or
2 They have not been able to develop the players drafted to realise their full potential.
If we were sitting in Footscrays position who have an abundance of mid sized players but believe they were a key forward short of a premiership, then yes you could say we should have drafted more for needs.
On to Griffiths at 19. I think Emma Quale said it could be two years before he is playing senior footy due to his injury, which would be a real test of his character. His character will be even tested more by the Richmond hordes screaming him down as a dud and calling for the blood of those that recruited a crock if we haven't seen any return on him half way through 2011, even more so if we are struggling to kick winning scores still.. If we do take him at 19 then people have to be patient and give him time.
The nature of his injury also means that there is a chance he will not, physically, be able to develop into the strong pack marking forward people are hoping for. If the club decides that the returns are worth the risk, roll the dice and dice don't come up favourably, then so be it -as long as the club has done everything in its power to allow him to develop. Sometimes you have to take a risk and it doesn't always turn out how you would like. That's just life.
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Tapscott is sposed to be the best kick in the draft along with Martin is he not?
"leg like a cannon"
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Tapscott is sposed to be the best kick in the draft along with Martin is he not?
"leg like a cannon"
I have concerns about a Tapscott selection. Tapscott play as a youngster in the carnival 16 months ago. I recall he kicked 4 goals in one game as a forward pocket. He was big and slow then and from viewing him afew months ago at the carnival he was big and slow again. The truth is I wouldnt be picking him with 19. I dont see him becoming a dominant midfielder, hes lack of speed will get found out on the MCG and he will get run down by opponents. Im hoping like crazy he ends up somewhere other than Punt Rd.
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Tapscott is sposed to be the best kick in the draft along with Martin is he not?
"leg like a cannon"
I have concerns about a Tapscott selection. Tapscott play as a youngster in the carnival 16 months ago. I recall he kicked 4 goals in one game as a forward pocket. He was big and slow then and from viewing him afew months ago at the carnival he was big and slow again. The truth is I wouldnt be picking him with 19. I dont see him becoming a dominant midfielder, hes lack of speed will get found out on the MCG and he will get run down by opponents. Im hoping like crazy he ends up somewhere other than Punt Rd.
You could well be right Ramps but don't forget the lesson of Greg Williams. Pace is not the only attribute you need and if he is smart, strong and skillful then he must demand serious thought. By today's press both SA teams are keen on him and I like that he is a good long kick - along with Martin and Tambling that makes our forward line much more potent without even needing to add another player to it.
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Tapscott is sposed to be the best kick in the draft along with Martin is he not?
"leg like a cannon"
I have concerns about a Tapscott selection. Tapscott play as a youngster in the carnival 16 months ago. I recall he kicked 4 goals in one game as a forward pocket. He was big and slow then and from viewing him afew months ago at the carnival he was big and slow again. The truth is I wouldnt be picking him with 19. I dont see him becoming a dominant midfielder, hes lack of speed will get found out on the MCG and he will get run down by opponents. Im hoping like crazy he ends up somewhere other than Punt Rd.
how many times have you seen him play live ramps?
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Those comparisons do not back up your argument. Picking Fiora over Pavlich does not condemn the 'best player over needs' idea.
No, you're right. Of themselves they don't. But I just remember the bad old days when I used to bail up Greg Miller at training near season's end, and plead with him to recruit some talls. And always I'd get the same response; that mids,mids,and more mids was the way to go. And all this did was create the imbalance we have on our list today, where our key defenders are all undersized,we basically have no key forwards and mostly rookie ruckmen. And still people are saying let's keep stocking up on mids, and using the old "best available" line as justification for doing so.
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Tapscott is sposed to be the best kick in the draft along with Martin is he not?
"leg like a cannon"
I have concerns about a Tapscott selection. Tapscott play as a youngster in the carnival 16 months ago. I recall he kicked 4 goals in one game as a forward pocket. He was big and slow then and from viewing him afew months ago at the carnival he was big and slow again. The truth is I wouldnt be picking him with 19. I dont see him becoming a dominant midfielder, hes lack of speed will get found out on the MCG and he will get run down by opponents. Im hoping like crazy he ends up somewhere other than Punt Rd.
how many times have you seen him play live ramps?
from memory ive seen him a couple of times, the first time was when he was first selected for SA in the carnival about 16-18 months ago. He kicked 4 goals or something from a pocket, but I remember thinking that he could become a good player but also that he looked slow, saw him again recently in the last carnival, he seemed slow again. I could be wrong, probably am wrong, he is an outstanding kick, that is undoubted, and if we pick him then we have to support him, its no longer a time to go the tank or to stick the boots in, theres no point, we need to win games, develop our young players and hopefully some come through, that being the case, if he is in a Richmond jumper tomorrow night, then I will support the selection, but the pace question will remain. I prefer others, I was hoping Sheppard but it seems hes stocks have risen over the past few weeks, Bartlett I also like but he has injury concerns and the same goes for Griffiths. Good luck to everyone at our club tomorrow, its about time we had some and hopefully the players the select can come good.
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Those comparisons do not back up your argument. Picking Fiora over Pavlich does not condemn the 'best player over needs' idea.
No, you're right. Of themselves they don't. But I just remember the bad old days when I used to bail up Greg Miller at training near season's end, and plead with him to recruit some talls. And always I'd get the same response; that mids,mids,and more mids was the way to go. And all this did was create the imbalance we have on our list today, where our key defenders are all undersized,we basically have no key forwards and mostly rookie ruckmen. And still people are saying let's keep stocking up on mids, and using the old "best available" line as justification for doing so.
The only reason Miller made a name for himself in the AFL is by recruiting two Key forwards in Carey and Longmyer, so it seems stupid he was so adament about mids.
Thanks maaaaaaaaaaan!
If there was one player in the AFL i would love to see in a Tigers jumper it's the Big Pav, he is a star!
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I hope we take Tapscott as you know we need a couple of dead eye dicks, They say this kid is the daniel rich of this draft . Also hope the rest of the phantom draft that came out today is rite, will be very happy!!
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i don't quite like the rest of the phantom draft, too many flankers, not enough talls who can kick goals. having say panos, temel and astbury in there would have been awesome.
it seemed like according to emma quayle 's blog, he reckons we'd get tapscott at 19 as well, that's both her and burgan saying so (about the two most accurate mock drafters out there)
although i saw an article today on the i think from SA that port and adelaide are both thinkign about tapscott, so i get a bit nervous. oh well, we'll see tomorrow, 1 more sleep to go
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In the Australian today it says Port are interested in Tapscott at 16.
Melbourne will take Ball at 18 if the two kids they are keen on are already taken.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/luke-ball-will-not-be-playing-for-st-kilda-next-year-but-tonight-his-future-will-become-clearer-at-the-afl-draft/story-e6frg7mf-1225803958933
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My preferences in order for selection 19
19. 1. Brad Sheppard likely to have gone earlier
19. 2. Callum Bartlett should be available
19. 3. Ben Griffiths should be available
19. 4. Koby Stevens seem to have fallen according to the newspaper journos
19. 5. Luke Tapscott may have gone to Port Adelaide earlier
19. 6. Ryan Bastinac should be around at this pick
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In my humble opinion I think Bastinac or Griffiths will go to the Tigers at 19. :thumbsup
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Bastinac is very skinny!
if Griffiths was 100% he would be our pick.
i believe we should draft him anyway!
Bartlett very good left foot and takes on the game.
Tapscott good skills, genuine half-forward.
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Griffiths
Tapscott
Bartlett
Bastinac
Stevens
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tapscott is said to be a half forward/mid in the mould of paul chapman
i'd take that.
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tapscott is said to be a half forward/mid in the mould of paul chapman
i'd take that.
yes! i agree!
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"Late mail" on the AFL site. Mids, flankers and rucks going higher. Hopefully a quality KPP slips through to 19
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/87514/default.aspx
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Griffiths :thumbsup