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High-flyers of the class of '09
Emma Quayle | November 22, 2009
HAVING compiled this list three times now, lessons have been learnt. First, you can watch a player too much. Second, every player has fl aws and it's easy to become hung up on one perceived problem area.
Stephen Hill and Daniel Rich were probably ranked too low on my 2008 list, although there's no one rated above them that I'd be looking to move, but Michael Hurley at 13? Ouch. I was a big fan this time last year, loved his long kicking and ability to read the play, but wondered if he had enough pace off the mark to keep up with fast-leading forwards. Hurley doesn't have great pace, but it hasn't yet been exposed - maybe it will be in time, perhaps it won't. Regardless, his many other abilities combined to make his first season a very good one and I learnt not to overthink things. Hurley aside, I think my 2008 list looks OK.
This is a difficult exercise because you constantly look through the list and realise you have a player too far down the order. You think, ‘No, that's not right', move them, then go through the exact same process with another.
Apologies this year to South Australian pair Matthew Panos and James Craig, West Australians Mitch Duncan, Gerrick Weedon and Travis Colyer, as well as midfielders Josh Thomas, Allen Christensen and Anthony Long, and Geelong defender Joe Dare. And to Luke Ball, who I decided not to include given the purpose of this exercise is largely to introduce the young players. Remember, these are my personal thoughts on this year's group, not a mock draft or a list of where I think players will be picked. It's based on watching the players live, trawling through tapes and talking to them and the people who know them well. Let's wait three years and see how it looks.
1. JACK TRENGOVE (18, Sturt, 185cm, 84kg)
I have no idea how the Demons would have split Trengove and Scully had Jordan McMahon not delivered them a priority pick with his postsiren goal for a four-point Richmond win in round 18. I've spent the past week changing my mind repeatedly, but in the end I believe Trengove has it all: he's quick enough, his endurance is top notch and, more importantly, he is already a smart runner, who knows exactly where he needs to be. Watching his under-18 games with South Australia, you'd sometimes think, ‘Who laid that block? Who trapped that ball?' More often than not, it would have been him. He stays involved in the play and has a great feel for what's going on. He's at No. 1 mostly on gut feel and also because he's such a good mark. He could go forward in the last quarter, take a few marks out of the square and kick a few crunch goals.
2. TOM SCULLY (18, Dandenong Stingrays, 182cm, 77kg)
Scully runs harder, for longer and with more purpose than any other player in the draft. He already plays like an AFL player. He has quick, brilliant hands, he makes good decisions and he makes them the instant his hands touch the ball, which makes him so good in close. He makes his teammates better players because he puts them in ideal situations. He'll grind opponents out of games, yet his pace looks fine, as does his kicking. He is a megaprofessional, a perfectionist. He'll get the absolute most out of himself from day one of training and has a nice bit of steel to his personality.
3. DUSTIN MARTIN (18, Bendigo Pioneers, 186cm, 88kg)
Meet Martin and you feel you're talking to someone in his 30s. He's an adult – likeable, but hard-nosed and very strong-minded, which comes through in his footy. He keeps his feet and stays upright - with his eyes up - when tackled, allowing him to squeeze the ball out to sensible spots while being grabbed. He'll just have to figure out how much time he's got to get rid of it at the higher level, and do his share of the tackling. In space, he's a beautiful kick on both sides and able to slip forward and take a mark. Martin has only had one year in the TAC Cup system, has plenty of scope and will love being a full-time footballer.
4. GARY ROHAN (18, Geelong Falcons, 188cm, 82kg)
Watching Rohan play, you sometimes feel you want to cover your eyes. He'll hurl himself into a mark, turn, take off and you have no clue what's going to happen next. He's the most exhilarating player in the pool. He does many things at once and while he makes some errors, he can disrupt the rhythm of a game. He doesn't win huge possessions, but he has the ability to stress out other players by chasing them, causing turnovers. He's coming from a long way back - he played for Cobden last year and trained only one night a week with the Falcons this year - but you get the sense he'll fl ourish once he gets into an AFL club and starts to understand how good he could be.
5. JOHN BUTCHER (18, Gippsland Power, 197cm, 87kg)
Butcher takes pack marks, is a speedy lead and draws multiple opponents. He had hip surgery last December and didn't get in a huge pre-season, which surely affected him in his second year in the under-18s. His kicking action needs work, but this is as far as I want to let him drop. He'll start work on his kick every single day once he gets to his new club and while he missed a lot of shots this year, he also had about 70 of them. If he doesn't mark the ball, his opponent generally doesn't either, and natural forwards who take contested marks don't come around often.
6. JAKE MELKSHAM (18, Calder Cannons, 185cm, 75kg)
After a slow start to the season, Melksham fl ew home. He's quick enough, once he gets wound up, and always on the move. He can reach in and wrench the ball out of tight spots, keep it moving as he slides through packs and uses it well when it's fed his way. Some of his kicking is weighted so well that it makes life a lot easier for his forwards. He can also throw in a nice, well-timed mark or two, getting good height off a minimal run-up.
7. BEN CUNNINGTON (18, Geelong Falcons, 185cm, 84kg)
Supporters will adore Cunnington as soon as they see him. He's tough, will do anything for his team and while he perhaps doesn't have the polish of some of the other midfielders, his skills are fine and his determination to a) not let anyone beat him to the ball and b) tackle, chase, smother and shepherd add another layer to his CV. His marking is another big plus. He reads the play well as a forward and is a strong overhead mark, even when opponents are right on his hammer - in fact, especially when opponents are on his hammer. Dedicated, determined and a safe bet.
8. JASPER McMILLAN-PITTARD (18, Geelong Falcons, 186cm, 71kg)
At first glance, Jasper looks like a scrawny half-back fl anker. He is a scrawny half-back fl anker. But the way I see it, he has every ability required to play AFL footy, minus seven or eight kilograms. He's a smooth, smart, switched-on player who can get up onto the wings and deliver nice left-foot passes. Some added size will make his spoiling ability even more valuable, and Jasper thinks a split-second faster than those around him. It's like he instinctively knows where everyone is, what they're doing and what they're most likely to do next, allowing him to find ways past and around them. He's a favourite.
9. ANTHONY MORABITO (18, Peel Thunder, 191cm, 97kg)
Big, fast, powerful and able to leap buildings in a single bound. Morabito plays like he's wearing jet-powered boots, such is his pace and ability to change gear. Like Rohan, he's exciting to watch when he snatches the ball and bolts off with it. Again, he can make mistakes and try to do too much, but at his height and with his speed, playing on a wing, he could prove very tricky to match up. I hope I don't have him too low.
10. CALLUM BARTLETT (18, Geelong Falcons, 179cm, 75kg)
Bartlett hasn't played this season due to a knee reconstruction after tearing an ACL at training ahead of round one. It's tough to say where he'll get drafted – he could go anywhere between 17 and 30, perhaps – but his rehab has gone well and he will be well worth the risk. He is incredibly quick and a bold, catch-me-if-youcan type runner. He knows exactly where he wants to go. There are a lot of unobtrusive midfield types in this draft, but he's not one of them.
11. LEWIS JETTA (20, Swan Districts, 181cm, 69kg)
Jetta is vibrant, skilful and quick, quick, quick. Don't think of him as a small forward - he may start there, but he's an Andrew Lovett-style midfi elder who fl ashes past fl ailing arms as he zooms, bouncing, down the ground. He knows where he needs to be to cause damage, and can do some freaky things.
12. AARON BLACK (18, Peel Thunder, 192cm, 82kg)
Black is a late-ish bloomer, finding form through the middle of the year after missing the WA under-18 championship team and making his senior WAFL debut by the end of the season. While I would have liked to have seen more of him, I've seen enough to feel confident placing him here. He can haul in marks when he seems in an awkward position and is a lightfooted, nimble player who can take off for a run, pluck loose balls off the ground and cover plenty of ground.
13. DANIEL TALIA (18, Calder Cannons, 194kg, 90kg)
Talia looks like he could legitimately play at either end. As a key back, he has a calm, assured air about him, yet at the same time has plenty of energy and bounce. He takes a crisp mark yet stays involved when the ball is on the ground. He reads it off hands well, which makes him handy around bounces and throw-ins. His season ended early due to hamstring tendonitis, but he's ready now to train again.
14. ANDREW MOORE (18, Eastern Ranges, 189cm, 86kg)
Where will Moore end up playing - that's my question? Half-forward or half-back look the go, or perhaps the midfield. Whatever the case, he is one of the smartest in this draft. He generally takes the best option and can adapt to changing roles on the run. He's tough, skilful and and his marking is so clean. You can almost hear the ball clunking into his hands from the stands.
15. TROY TAYLOR (18, NT Thunder, 189cm, 77kg)
Taylor has some special talent. He's quick, can scoop up ground balls swiftly and make good decisions while doing so. He's got the sidestep and the leap, he can outmark players he looks too short to outmark and he has an absolute eye for the impossible goal. He's good fun to watch. After getting into some serious trouble as a kid in Darwin, he has things together and has a great opportunity ahead of him. Once he starts to understand what he could achieve, he could be anything.
16. BRAD SHEPPARD (18, East Fremantle, 186cm, 81kg)
Will Sheppard be a half-back fl anker at AFL level, or push into the midfi eld? That's probably the biggest question about him. He is a neat, sleek, smart player who can get things going while in space, yet at the same time relishes the chance to back back and spoil. His teammates seem confident in him - throughout the national under-18s championships they often looked for him as they pushed into attack from half-back.
17. RYAN BASTINAC (18, Dandenong Stingrays, 184cm, 77kg)
Bastinac is one of the best kicks in the draft and another good-at-everything type. He wins plenty of the ball in close and that, combined with his vision, foot skills and willingness to tackle makes him a solid midfield prospect. He'll run, run and run, he's a willing tackler and a sensible player who thinks things through.
18. KANE LUCAS (18, East Fremantle, 187cm, 79kg)
Lucas, like a few onballers in this draft, doesn't have one clear, eye-catching quality that forces you to notice him. He's simply a solid player - if an inconsistent kick - with good pace, great endurance, a good leap, and pretty good hands. He has great balance and can slip and slide through busy packs, spin off players and involve himself two or three times in a single piece of play. A great attitude, from all reports.
19. KOBY STEVENS (18, Gippsland Power, 187cm, 84kg)
Stevens is a ferocious midfielder who will give you everything he has. He can be an unobtrusive player and sometimes you only appreciate his tackles, blocks and extra efforts after re-watching a game. He loves to punch out a handball and he can sit his kicks up, but someone needs to get the ball and Stevens always takes it on himself to do so. He's on the way back from osteitis pubis and has shown plenty of leadership potential.
20. JORDAN GYSBERTS (18, Eastern Ranges, 189cm, 82kg)
Like Stevens, Lucas and a few others this year, Gysberts plays a subtle game that at times you don't take in properly while it's unfolding. I'm a big fan and love how he tries to look after his teammates by grabbing the ball and feeding off quick handballs to set them into space. Sometimes I want to see him assert himself a little bit more - perhaps be a little less generous - but maybe that's too picky.
21. BEN GRIFFITHS (18, Eastern Ranges, 199cm, 98kg)
Griffiths is a beast - a very big, very strong, imposing key forward - and those types aren't common. The problem is he'll do things that make you think “wow” - take a big contested mark, kick a thumping goal - then get injured in the very next minute. He'll have a shoulder reconstruction this week and that's the query: will he be fixed for good, or take ages to get his body going?
22. NATHAN VARDY (18, Gippsland Power, 198cm, 94kg)
There aren't too many ruckmen around this year, but Vardy is the pick of them. He seems to get some good hang time, almost creating time during a ruck contest to place the ball right where he wants it to go. He's quick and agile enough to become useful around the ground - he seems to want the footy - and he can pluck a nice mark.
23. LUKE TAPSCOTT (18, North Adelaide, 180cm, 87kg)
Tapscott is a strong-bodied, crashbang midfield/forward who perhaps boasts the best kick in the draft. I'm worried already that I have him too low, but I probably see others as more ready-to-go in a midfield role. That said, he's a player you couldn't allow too much space around the top of the 50, because he'll kick thumping goals.
24. JAKE CARLISLE (18, Calder Cannons, 197cm, 87kg)
Carlisle is another to have shown promise at both ends of the ground. He's a nimble, stretchy sort of player who leaps, lunges and seems to relish the small contests-withincontests, like getting to the front of his man or making a spoil when he looks a step too far away. Played cricket seriously until recently.
25. SAM REID (18, Murray Bushrangers, 194cm, 87kg)
Reid gets in a smidgen ahead of North Adelaide ruckman James Craig, who has a big leap and lots of oomph. Reid, the brother of Collingwood player Ben, does his job in quieter style, but goes for his marks if they're there and seems diligent and fairly calm, which I like in a defender. He has the speed and endurance to do those things at a higher level.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/highflyers-of-the-class-of-09/2009/11/21/1258220012622.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
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Out of interest here's her top 25 from the past couple of years .......
2007 2008
1. Trent Cotchin (2) 1. Jack Watts (1)
2. Matthew Kreuzer (1) 2. Chris Yarran (6)
3. Cale Morton (4) 3. Nick Naitanui (2)
4. David Myers (6) 4. Jackson Trengove (22)
5. Jarrad Grant (5) 5. Tyrone Vickery (8 )
6. Cyril Rioli (12) 6. Hamish Hartlett (4)
7. Alex Rance (18 ) 7. Tom Swift (20)
8. Patrick Dangerfield (10) 8. Ayce Cordy (14 - F/S)
9. Chris Masten (3) 9. Daniel Rich (7)
10. Brad Ebert (13) 10. Steele Sidebottom (11)
11. Ben McEvoy (9) 11. Jack Ziebell (9)
12. Rhys Palmer (7) 12. Stephen Hill (3)
13. Jack Grimes (14) 13. Michael Hurley (5)
14. Lachlan Henderson (8 ) 14. Sam Blease (17)
15. Patrick Veszpremi (11) 15. Nick Suban (24)
16. Tayte Pears (23) 16. Michael Walters (53)
17. Tom Collier (25) 17. Phil Davis (10)
18. Scott Selwood (22) 18. Lewis Johnston (12)
19. Tony Notte (20) 19. Mitch Brown (15)
20. Addam Maric (21) 20. Shaun McKernan (28 )
21. Callan Ward (19) 21. Dayne Beams (29)
22. Brendan Whitecross (29) 22. Jordan Lisle (50)
23. Tom McNamara (66) 23. Ashley Smith (36)
24. Levi Greenwood (32) 24. Ryan Schoenmakers (16)
25. Mitch Farmer (49) 25. Casey Sibosado (rookie 3)
Missed from actual draft top 25:
Robbie Tarrant (15) Tom Lynch (13)
Matthew Lobbe (16) Luke Shuey (18 )
Harry Taylor (17) James Strauss (19)
Clayton Hinkley (24) Hayden Ballantyne (21)
David Zaharakis (23)
Jack Redden (25)
2007 link (http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/general/draft-day-is-like-christmas-for-16-afl-clubs/2007/11/17/1194767026939.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1)
2008 link (http://www.realfooty.com.au/articles/2008/11/23/1226770818997.html)
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Butcher will drop at #3 ;D
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Wheres Warwick McGinty :lol
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Butcher will drop at #3 ;D
We would like like complete idiots to select him at 3, can't happen, we need to take the next best player and that is Martin... ;D
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Emma Quayle on SEN now for the next hour (from 5.30pm)
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First half-hour summary
* Scully and Trengove by far the best 2 in the draft.
* Josh Cowan - not in first 30-40 but a chance after that. There you go Ramps.
* Carlton's pick 12 - JMP, Black or Talia. Tricky to judge around the top 10 mark. Even the clubs aren't sure which way it'll go.
* Richmond's pick 19:
Might miss out on Andrew Moore. Very popular with other clubs - Dogs, Blues, Crows and a couple of others.
Wait and see on whether we go KPP or midfielder. Some midfielder has to be squeezed down the order and may be too good to refuse. Griffiths could get through to 19 although he could be snapped up earlier. Carlisle is another one who could still be around. Like Rance there's always someone who against expectations slips down the order.
* Bulldogs' pick 15 - she thinks Griffiths would be a good fit for the Dogs. They can afford the time to get his shoulder right. Kane Lucas possibly too good to refuse if still around.
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Second half-hour....
* Hawks were very keen on Dean Putt before the 2007 draft. So he may get a second shot.
* Josh Donaldson - she thinks he can play. Difficult to judge where he'll go. Some clubs rate him and some don't. Could be a late pick if a club that likes him has a late pick and no one else they're interested in still around or he could miss out. Never experienced a year where clubs are so split in opinion of players.
* Melbourne's picks 11 and 18 - gut feel they won't pick Luke Ball and she doesn't believe they should either. At 11 possibly Black, Talia or a mid in Lucas and then go tall at 18. Who the Dees take at 18 will depend on who they get at 11. Tim Hazel who is also on SEN tonight said the Dees should go for Ball as they need a leader.
* Freo's pick 4 - It was out of Morabito, Cunnington and Rohan but have settled at the end of last week on Morabito she believes.
* John Butcher - harshly judged. She rates him.
* Serhat Temel - hasn't got the athletic qualities to be a high pick but is a good mark and kicked a bag of goals in the TAC Cup finals. Will be picked up but later on.
* Jake Carlisle - late first round/early 2nd round. Got some back problems which clubs are checking into.
* Luke Ball is the wildcard. Do Essendon grab him at 10, Melbourne at 11/18, etc. Apart from him interest will be more in how many state league players get picked up rather than recycled players.
* West Coast are keen on Gerrick Weedon possibly at 23. Eagles still split on taking Jetta or Lucas at 7.
* Western Jets - Fitzpatrick (will definitely be drafted), Majak Daw (maybe or rookie), Rayner.
* Emma's current top 10 as tipped to be drafted (still work in progress)
1. Melb - Scully/Trengove
2. Melb - Trengove/Scully
3. Rich - Martin
4. Freo - Morabito
5. North - Cunnington
6. Syd - Rohan
7. WCE - Jetta
8. Port - Butcher/Talia
9. Port - Melksham
10. Ess - Moore/Stevens (Talia or Butcher if still around)
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Second half-hour....
* Hawks were very keen on Dean Putt before the 2007 draft. So he may get a second shot.
* Josh Donaldson - she thinks he can play. Difficult to judge where he'll go. Some clubs rate him and some don't. Could be a late pick if a club that likes him has a late pick and no one else they're interested in still around or he could miss out. Never experienced a year where clubs are so split in opinion of players.
* Melbourne's picks 11 and 18 - gut feel they won't pick Luke Ball and she doesn't believe they should either. At 11 possibly Black, Talia or a mid in Lucas and then go tall at 18. Who the Dees take at 18 will depend on who they get at 11. Tim Hazel who is also on SEN tonight said the Dees should go for Ball as they need a leader.
* Freo's pick 4 - It was out of Morabito, Cunnington and Rohan but have settled at the end of last week on Morabito she believes.
* John Butcher - harshly judged. She rates him.
* Serhat Temel - hasn't got the athletic qualities to be a high pick but is a good mark and kicked a bag of goals in the TAC Cup finals. Will be picked up but later on.
* Jake Carlisle - late first round/early 2nd round. Got some back problems which clubs are checking into.
* Luke Ball is the wildcard. Do Essendon grab him at 10, Melbourne at 11/18, etc. Apart from him interest will be more in how many state league players get picked up rather than recycled players.
* West Coast are keen on Gerrick Weedon possibly at 23. Eagles still split on taking Jetta or Lucas at 7.
* Western Jets - Fitzpatrick (will definitely be drafted), Majak Daw (maybe or rookie), Rayner.
* Emma's current top 10 as tipped to be drafted (still work in progress)
1. Melb - Scully/Trengove
2. Melb - Trengove/Scully
3. Rich - Martin
4. Freo - Morabito
5. North - Cunnington
6. Syd - Rohan
7. WCE - Jetta
8. Port - Butcher/Talia
9. Port - Melksham
10. Ess - Moore/Stevens (Talia or Butcher if still around)
Her comments regarding Putt were interesting. Said she sat in on some Hawthorn meetings in 2007 when he was discussed. Putt to Hawthorn and Shultze to port will be interesting to watch, could highlight that our problem has not so much been the players we draft, but the ability to develop them. Time will tell.
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Thanks for the reports OE, very good... :thumbsup
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Emma Quayle's view on Ben Griffiths ....
Griffiths could be better than them all but you're right, might take him 2 years to play. A really hard one for the recruiters!
Shows how much the recruiters have to consider. can they wait for him? if HE has more setbacks how does he handle that? tough job
http://twitter.com/emmasq
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Butcher will drop at #3 ;D
We would like like complete idiots to select him at 3, can't happen, we need to take the next best player and that is Martin... ;D
Your qualified to call people idiots :rollin
How can you say Martin is the next best player ? :lol you must watch all his games from WA :lol
l doubt that very much in fact l doubt they have much about TAC in your state on TV or newspaper so that leaves google for you ;D
Dont be fooled with Butcher draft camp results as he was 50% & dont judge his kicking from the WGLVFL Grand Final cause the wind that day was terrible which wrecked a few GF's in the area. The fact he won the ball so many times in those conditions was a great effort for the big lad. l consider him a top 3 draft choice & could even be taken at #1 or 2 with Melbourne interest throughout the season.
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Butcher will drop at #3 ;D
We would like like complete idiots to select him at 3, can't happen, we need to take the next best player and that is Martin... ;D
Your qualified to call people idiots :rollin
How can you say Martin is the next best player ? :lol you must watch all his games from WA :lol
Actually after your comments asking me how I can say Martin is the next best player have qualified me to call YOU and idiot!! 99.9% of people, the experts and the whole AFL community say that he is the next best player and will go at 3, they are also saying that the Tigers have locked him in already. So go figure!! Lets wait until draft day shall we just to see if the RFC have the brains like the rest of the AFL teams to select the first best player they come accross.
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TM Butcher is to big of a risk.
We're not in a position to have a pick 3 backfire.
Martin is a very very good player. Butcher may have a longer potential bar. But Martin has more certainty.
If we had pick 6 or 7 I'd be fine with going for Butcher but pick 3 you have to go with sure bets.
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Emma Quayle's blog at midday today
http://blogs.theage.com.au/realfooty/archives/2009/11/live_blog_emmas.html?page=fullpage#comments
EQ on Martin going to the Tigers: "I am 99.9% sure he'll be there next year!"
EQ: "Griffiths is one of the most fascinating players in the draft. On talent he looks a first round pick given everyone would love a big key forward but his injuries make things interesting. He's having a shoulder reconstruction this week. The recruiters will be trying to figure out with the help of their medical staff how his body will hold up long-term, which obviously is difficult to predict. They'll also be looking pretty hard at his character - if he does take a year to get his body right, how will he cope with that? And is the club in a position where they can carry him on their list for a while and allow him to get himself right a la North and Robbie Tarrant? I think the Bulldogs are a chance to pick him first round, but after that he could go anywhere from the start of the second round through to their second choice at 31."
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Butcher will drop at #3 ;D
We would like like complete idiots to select him at 3, can't happen, we need to take the next best player and that is Martin... ;D
Your qualified to call people idiots :rollin
How can you say Martin is the next best player ? :lol you must watch all his games from WA :lol
Actually after your comments asking me how I can say Martin is the next best player have qualified me to call YOU and idiot!! 99.9% of people, the experts and the whole AFL community say that he is the next best player and will go at 3, they are also saying that the Tigers have locked him in already. So go figure!! Lets wait until draft day shall we just to see if the RFC have the brains like the rest of the AFL teams to select the first best player they come accross.
So your telling everyone the Richmond football club have come out & have confirmed they will take Martin with Pick 3 :rollin fair dinkum your a fruitcake
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TM Butcher is to big of a risk.
We're not in a position to have a pick 3 backfire.
Martin is a very very good player. Butcher may have a longer potential bar. But Martin has more certainty.
If we had pick 6 or 7 I'd be fine with going for Butcher but pick 3 you have to go with sure bets.
your 100% correct we cannot have our pick 3 backfire because our club really is depending on it.
Every draftee is a risk & some dont handle the step up & preasure too well or living away from mummy
Some dont take to the den mums to well or thier cooking & venture out to eat things not keeping to thier diets
Some are handfuls and get led astray ;D & lads with different cultures find it even harder so anything can go wrong
well l'm happy to get Martin if his going to become another Ben Cousins & he will have a good teacher in Ben.
His build & skills are good & l'm not disputing anything about him or have l said anything negative about Martin, l just feel we need a taller body
l dont see Butcher as any risk as his fixed & ready to go
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l dont see Butcher as any risk as his fixed & ready to go
It's a pity that he wont be around with our 2nd pick as it would be a good combo - mid-fielder & KP forward with our first 2 picks
Although I reckon we will go for a tall with our 2nd pick, it's a case of who is the best available at 19 :-\
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Butcher will drop at #3 ;D
We would like like complete idiots to select him at 3, can't happen, we need to take the next best player and that is Martin... ;D
Your qualified to call people idiots :rollin
How can you say Martin is the next best player ? :lol you must watch all his games from WA :lol
Actually after your comments asking me how I can say Martin is the next best player have qualified me to call YOU and idiot!! 99.9% of people, the experts and the whole AFL community say that he is the next best player and will go at 3, they are also saying that the Tigers have locked him in already. So go figure!! Lets wait until draft day shall we just to see if the RFC have the brains like the rest of the AFL teams to select the first best player they come accross.
So your telling everyone the Richmond football club have come out & have confirmed they will take Martin with Pick 3 :rollin fair dinkum your a fruitcake
I'm not a critic of Butcher and I think he has been way harshly judged but Gary March was reported a few weeks ago to have said we will be taking Martin at pick 3.
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l dont see Butcher as any risk as his fixed & ready to go
It's a pity that he wont be around with our 2nd pick as it would be a good combo - mid-fielder & KP forward with our first 2 picks
Although I reckon we will go for a tall with our 2nd pick, it's a case of who is the best available at 19 :-\
Connerly ( ex Freo rookie delisted ) would be a good get, his another Butcher but has better endurance, good hands & nice long kick, can play Ruck / Forward or Back
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Butcher will drop at #3 ;D
We would like like complete idiots to select him at 3, can't happen, we need to take the next best player and that is Martin... ;D
Your qualified to call people idiots :rollin
How can you say Martin is the next best player ? :lol you must watch all his games from WA :lol
Actually after your comments asking me how I can say Martin is the next best player have qualified me to call YOU and idiot!! 99.9% of people, the experts and the whole AFL community say that he is the next best player and will go at 3, they are also saying that the Tigers have locked him in already. So go figure!! Lets wait until draft day shall we just to see if the RFC have the brains like the rest of the AFL teams to select the first best player they come accross.
So your telling everyone the Richmond football club have come out & have confirmed they will take Martin with Pick 3 :rollin fair dinkum your a fruitcake
I'm not a critic of Butcher and I think he has been way harshly judged but Gary March was reported a few weeks ago to have said we will be taking Martin at pick 3.
& where did Gary March say this & who too
wouldnot surprise me with march he aint a good president & aint got the RFC in his best interest.
His interests are his own personal gain in buisness which his not very good at going off his previous ventures ;D
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Butcher will drop at #3 ;D
We would like like complete idiots to select him at 3, can't happen, we need to take the next best player and that is Martin... ;D
Your qualified to call people idiots :rollin
How can you say Martin is the next best player ? :lol you must watch all his games from WA :lol
Actually after your comments asking me how I can say Martin is the next best player have qualified me to call YOU and idiot!! 99.9% of people, the experts and the whole AFL community say that he is the next best player and will go at 3, they are also saying that the Tigers have locked him in already. So go figure!! Lets wait until draft day shall we just to see if the RFC have the brains like the rest of the AFL teams to select the first best player they come accross.
So your telling everyone the Richmond football club have come out & have confirmed they will take Martin with Pick 3 :rollin fair dinkum your a fruitcake
I'm not a critic of Butcher and I think he has been way harshly judged but Gary March was reported a few weeks ago to have said we will be taking Martin at pick 3.
& where did Gary March say this & who too
wouldnot surprise me with march he aint a good president & aint got the RFC in his best interest.
His interests are his own personal gain in buisness which his not very good at going off his previous ventures ;D
Just to be accurate, Gary said Trengove or Martin at 3 but as Melbourne were and are picking Trengove then that means Martin is Richmond's man.
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum//index.php?topic=10220.0
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Just back on the original topic, Emma Quayle seems to have the runs on the board when it comes to predicting juniors. 21 out of 25 in 2007 and 19 from 25 last year is a decent record. I like how she puts no spin on what she says about the draftees and on what club recruiters are telling her. Her and Burgan are the two best journos at this time of the year. You don't want to hear that every kid is the next Judd or Buddy.
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Until I joined this forum, I had never even heard of her. She definitely is not a token bimbo. She does her research and as MT says reports on what is what - No sensationalism. She puts a lot of her so called respected colleagues to shame, of both sexes :thumbsup
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Butcher will drop at #3 ;D
We would like like complete idiots to select him at 3, can't happen, we need to take the next best player and that is Martin... ;D
Your qualified to call people idiots :rollin
How can you say Martin is the next best player ? :lol you must watch all his games from WA :lol
Actually after your comments asking me how I can say Martin is the next best player have qualified me to call YOU and idiot!! 99.9% of people, the experts and the whole AFL community say that he is the next best player and will go at 3, they are also saying that the Tigers have locked him in already. So go figure!! Lets wait until draft day shall we just to see if the RFC have the brains like the rest of the AFL teams to select the first best player they come accross.
So your telling everyone the Richmond football club have come out & have confirmed they will take Martin with Pick 3 :rollin fair dinkum your a fruitcake
I'm not a critic of Butcher and I think he has been way harshly judged but Gary March was reported a few weeks ago to have said we will be taking Martin at pick 3.
& where did Gary March say this & who too
wouldnot surprise me with march he aint a good president & aint got the RFC in his best interest.
His interests are his own personal gain in buisness which his not very good at going off his previous ventures ;D
Just to be accurate, Gary said Trengove or Martin at 3 but as Melbourne were and are picking Trengove then that means Martin is Richmond's man.
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum//index.php?topic=10220.0
Anyone feel like some TM fruitcake.... :whistle
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Butcher will drop at #3 ;D
We would like like complete idiots to select him at 3, can't happen, we need to take the next best player and that is Martin... ;D
Your qualified to call people idiots :rollin
How can you say Martin is the next best player ? :lol you must watch all his games from WA :lol
Actually after your comments asking me how I can say Martin is the next best player have qualified me to call YOU and idiot!! 99.9% of people, the experts and the whole AFL community say that he is the next best player and will go at 3, they are also saying that the Tigers have locked him in already. So go figure!! Lets wait until draft day shall we just to see if the RFC have the brains like the rest of the AFL teams to select the first best player they come accross.
So your telling everyone the Richmond football club have come out & have confirmed they will take Martin with Pick 3 :rollin fair dinkum your a fruitcake
I'm not a critic of Butcher and I think he has been way harshly judged but Gary March was reported a few weeks ago to have said we will be taking Martin at pick 3.
& where did Gary March say this & who too
wouldnot surprise me with march he aint a good president & aint got the RFC in his best interest.
His interests are his own personal gain in buisness which his not very good at going off his previous ventures ;D
Just to be accurate, Gary said Trengove or Martin at 3 but as Melbourne were and are picking Trengove then that means Martin is Richmond's man.
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum//index.php?topic=10220.0
exactly he said one or the other, March dont have the say anyway. His just a check signer & a person who is weak when it comes to standing up & demanding better.
His a big mouth President who should have never got the job in the first place. Made some very bad decisions at the club & the sooner his out the better
As for Emma she does have a very good record & she gives Butcher big wraps
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Butcher will drop at #3 ;D
We would like like complete idiots to select him at 3, can't happen, we need to take the next best player and that is Martin... ;D
Your qualified to call people idiots :rollin
How can you say Martin is the next best player ? :lol you must watch all his games from WA :lol
Actually after your comments asking me how I can say Martin is the next best player have qualified me to call YOU and idiot!! 99.9% of people, the experts and the whole AFL community say that he is the next best player and will go at 3, they are also saying that the Tigers have locked him in already. So go figure!! Lets wait until draft day shall we just to see if the RFC have the brains like the rest of the AFL teams to select the first best player they come accross.
So your telling everyone the Richmond football club have come out & have confirmed they will take Martin with Pick 3 :rollin fair dinkum your a fruitcake
I'm not a critic of Butcher and I think he has been way harshly judged but Gary March was reported a few weeks ago to have said we will be taking Martin at pick 3.
& where did Gary March say this & who too
wouldnot surprise me with march he aint a good president & aint got the RFC in his best interest.
His interests are his own personal gain in buisness which his not very good at going off his previous ventures ;D
Just to be accurate, Gary said Trengove or Martin at 3 but as Melbourne were and are picking Trengove then that means Martin is Richmond's man.
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum//index.php?topic=10220.0
exactly he said one or the other, March dont have the say anyway. His just a check signer & a person who is weak when it comes to standing up & demanding better.
His a big mouth President who should have never got the job in the first place. Made some very bad decisions at the club & the sooner his out the better
As for Emma she does have a very good record & she gives Butcher big wraps
But he didn't say Butcher didn't he, so it is what I said it was and that is where I heard it so I am not a fruit cake and neither are the rest of the football community who agree that Martin IS the next best and we will select him....... that is from the horses mouth isn't it!!
Regarding Butcher, if he is available at pick 19 then bring him on what a great pick up he would be, but I think he will be snapped up by then unfortunately.
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Butcher will drop at #3 ;D
We would like like complete idiots to select him at 3, can't happen, we need to take the next best player and that is Martin... ;D
Your qualified to call people idiots :rollin
How can you say Martin is the next best player ? :lol you must watch all his games from WA :lol
Actually after your comments asking me how I can say Martin is the next best player have qualified me to call YOU and idiot!! 99.9% of people, the experts and the whole AFL community say that he is the next best player and will go at 3, they are also saying that the Tigers have locked him in already. So go figure!! Lets wait until draft day shall we just to see if the RFC have the brains like the rest of the AFL teams to select the first best player they come accross.
So your telling everyone the Richmond football club have come out & have confirmed they will take Martin with Pick 3 :rollin fair dinkum your a fruitcake
I'm not a critic of Butcher and I think he has been way harshly judged but Gary March was reported a few weeks ago to have said we will be taking Martin at pick 3.
& where did Gary March say this & who too
wouldnot surprise me with march he aint a good president & aint got the RFC in his best interest.
His interests are his own personal gain in buisness which his not very good at going off his previous ventures ;D
Just to be accurate, Gary said Trengove or Martin at 3 but as Melbourne were and are picking Trengove then that means Martin is Richmond's man.
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum//index.php?topic=10220.0
exactly he said one or the other, March dont have the say anyway. His just a check signer & a person who is weak when it comes to standing up & demanding better.
His a big mouth President who should have never got the job in the first place. Made some very bad decisions at the club & the sooner his out the better
As for Emma she does have a very good record & she gives Butcher big wraps
But he didn't say Butcher didn't he, so it is what I said it was and that is where I heard it so I am not a fruit cake and neither are the rest of the football community who agree that Martin IS the next best and we will select him....... that is from the horses mouth isn't it!!
Regarding Butcher, if he is available at pick 19 then bring him on what a great pick up he would be, but I think he will be snapped up by then unfortunately.
& what if Melbourne take Martin ;D if Butcher goes after pick 10 l will drop of the forum & retire from football & become a passenger
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& what if Melbourne take Martin ;D if Butcher goes after pick 10 l will drop of the forum & retire from football & become a passenger
Then we take Scully or Terngrove who ever is left and still be happy ;D
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& what if Melbourne take Martin ;D if Butcher goes after pick 10 l will drop of the forum & retire from football & become a passenger
Then we take Scully or Terngrove who ever is left and still be happy ;D
Dead right, we will pick either Martin, Trengove or Scully, win win win for us which ever way.
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Butcher will drop at #3 ;D
& what if Melbourne take Martin ;D if Butcher goes after pick 10 l will drop of the forum & retire from football & become a passenger
I have already tipped that happening, but we still won't take Butcher.
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& what if Melbourne take Martin ;D if Butcher goes after pick 10 l will drop of the forum & retire from football & become a passenger
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Now way in the world butcher will slip past Port's two selections so i think your pretty safe there Monk
I think that if Richmond were planning on a KPP with their first pick then they probably would have taken sydneys offer of swapping picks 6 and 14 for 3. Theres every chance butcher will be available at 6, with North the only one likely to pick him before then. It would be a risk worth taking for the extra first rounder if you wanted to go that way.
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I'm sorry TM I don't think Butchers kicking is convincing enough to be taking in the top of a Draft in front of Martin or even a Cunnington.
I would have no problem seeing Butcher out in the yellow and black, he'll be a very good player. I think we have to realize what we'll be missing out on in a Martin even Cunnington if we chose him ahead of them.
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On SEN's website today they are quoting Melbourne recruiting manager Barry Prendergast as saying that both Scully and Trengove have already been told of their draft order (1st or 2nd pick), so it looks certain now that Martin is coming to us.
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I'm sorry TM I don't think Butchers kicking is convincing enough to be taking in the top of a Draft in front of Martin or even a Cunnington.
I would have no problem seeing Butcher out in the yellow and black, he'll be a very good player. I think we have to realize what we'll be missing out on in a Martin even Cunnington if we chose him ahead of them.
Yeah, the thing is it doesn't matter who you pick, you will always miss out on someone. There's always a chance that someone you overlook will end being a better player than your pick but the important thing is thatyour pick makes the grade, so that you can at least be grateful for what you got. Its when you overlook A grade players for duds that hurts.
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I'm sorry TM I don't think Butchers kicking is convincing enough to be taking in the top of a Draft in front of Martin or even a Cunnington.
I would have no problem seeing Butcher out in the yellow and black, he'll be a very good player. I think we have to realize what we'll be missing out on in a Martin even Cunnington if we chose him ahead of them.
Yeah, the thing is it doesn't matter who you pick, you will always miss out on someone. There's always a chance that someone you overlook will end being a better player than your pick but the important thing is thatyour pick makes the grade, so that you can at least be grateful for what you got. Its when you overlook A grade players for duds that hurts.
Spot on AL & we have recruited alot of duds over the last decade
instead of taking chances on youth we took old discarded players, who gave nothing in later picks & PSD who also get discarded by RFC ;D
RFC is known for paying retirement funds in the AFL, used abused & wornout then go to Richmond its easy money just ask McMahon ;D
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& what if Melbourne take Martin ;D if Butcher goes after pick 10 l will drop of the forum & retire from football & become a passenger
Then we take Scully or Terngrove who ever is left and still be happy ;D
Dead right, we will pick either Martin, Trengove or Scully, win win win for us which ever way.
Its not a win until they make the grade.
l seen many draftees who couldnot handle the training or living away from mummy ;D
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On SEN's website today they are quoting Melbourne recruiting manager Barry Prendergast as saying that both Scully and Trengove have already been told of their draft order (1st or 2nd pick), so it looks certain now that Martin is coming to us.
Yep. Pick 19 is more of interest now to us. The top 10 countdown is a waste of time. The first 7 picks are already known.
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On SEN's website today they are quoting Melbourne recruiting manager Barry Prendergast as saying that both Scully and Trengove have already been told of their draft order (1st or 2nd pick), so it looks certain now that Martin is coming to us.
Yep. Pick 19 is more of interest now to us. The top 10 countdown is a waste of time. The first 7 picks are already known.
so ...
Scully, Trengove, "Aston" Martin, Morabito, Cunnington, Rohan, Jetta?
"SET IN STONE" Top 7?
:)
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On SEN's website today they are quoting Melbourne recruiting manager Barry Prendergast as saying that both Scully and Trengove have already been told of their draft order (1st or 2nd pick), so it looks certain now that Martin is coming to us.
Yep. Pick 19 is more of interest now to us. The top 10 countdown is a waste of time. The first 7 picks are already known.
so ...
Scully, Trengove, "Aston" Martin, Morabito, Cunnington, Rohan, Jetta?
"SET IN STONE" Top 7?
:)
Well it was until tonight when now the Eagles are now tossing up between Jetta and Sheppard according to Emma. Hopefully they stick with Jetta.
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& what if Melbourne take Martin ;D if Butcher goes after pick 10 l will drop of the forum & retire from football & become a passenger
Then we take Scully or Terngrove who ever is left and still be happy ;D
Dead right, we will pick either Martin, Trengove or Scully, win win win for us which ever way.
Its not a win until they make the grade.
l seen many draftees who couldnot handle the training or living away from mummy ;D
Well surley TM we are due for some sort of luck regarding our recruits. I mean really we were in the position Melbourne (without pick 1&2 of course) are now a few years ago with 4 picks inside the top 20. We blew that other than Lids and Tambling so maybe the Dees will do the same and we will land it.
Fait mate faith... :thumbsup
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First round predictions
November 26, 2009
Emma Quayle predicts how the first round of the AFL draft could pan out.
1 MELBOURNE - TOM SCULLY
2 MELBOURNE - JACK TRENGOVE
3 RICHMOND - DUSTIN MARTIN
VITAL INFORMATION: 18, from the Bendigo Pioneers, Castlemaine and Sydney club Campbelltown. 186cm, 88kg. Strong ballwinner with beautiful foot skills.
THE RATIONALE: He’s the next best player with an aggressive streak that will appeal to new coach Damien Hardwick. Will complement Brett Deledio, Trent Cotchin and Richard Tambling nicely in the Tigers’ midfield.
BEST-LAID PLANS: If Scully or Trengove miraculously fell through, the Tigers would snaffl e either. That won’t happen. They will have looked very hard at both Anthony Morabito and John Butcher before settling on Martin.
4 FREMANTLE - ANTHONY MORABITO
5 NORTH MELBOURNE - BEN CUNNINGTON
6 SYDNEY - GARY ROHAN
7 WEST COAST - BRAD SHEPPARD
8 PORT ADELAIDE - JOHN BUTCHER
9 PORT ADELAIDE - JAKE MELKSHAM
10 ESSENDON - KANE LUCAS
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/first-round-predictions-20091125-jrvg.html