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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on December 31, 2009, 05:17:15 PM
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Another example of how much our list has changed. Only 5 survivors left from Wallace's first side in 2005.
Round 1, 2005
B: Roach, Gaspar, Kellaway
HB: J.Bowden, M.Graham, Newman
C: Tivendale, Coughlan, Campbell
HF: Pettifer, Richardson, Deledio
F: Krakouer, Simmonds, Brown
R: Knobel, Tuck, Johnson
I: Hall, Chaffey, Hyde, Jackson
There's 17 survivors from our round 1 flogging last year. Gone are Richo, Bowden, Brown, Raines and Schulz. So Hardwick needs to make at least 5 changes to that side for his first proper game in charge.
Round 1, 2009
B: Newman, Moore, Raines
HB: Bowden, McGuane, McMahon
C: Edwards, Tuck, White
HF: Brown, Richardson, Riewoldt
F: Cousins, Schulz, Tambling
R: Simmonds, Deledio, Foley
I/C: Thursfield, Morton, Jackson, Browne
The Blues will have at least 3 changes with Fev and Cloke gone and Judd out suspended.
Carlton
B: Paul Bower, Michael Jamison, Aaron Joseph
HB: Jordan Russell, Bret Thornton, Heath Scotland
C: Kade Simpson, Marc Murphy, Chris Johnson
HF: Ryan Houlihan, Jarrad Waite?, Jeff Garlett
F: Cameron Cloke, Brendan Fevola, Eddie Betts
Foll: Matthew Kreuzer, Bryce Gibbs, Chris Judd
I/C: Richard Hadley, Sam Jacobs, Mitch Robinson, Simon Wiggins
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So many more to choose from next year that could completely change the look of that team.
In's could be:
Cotchin (injury free & fit)
Martin
Vickery
Post
Griffiths (injury free & fit)
Collins
Connors
Farmer
Graham
Nahas
Post
Rance
Grimes
Hislop
Thompson
Outs could be:
McMahon
White
Edwards
Tuck
Browne
Good to see that IMO there is more players to come in them out, the pre-season will sort a lot of them out too, cant wait.
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Round 1 last season ended a few careers.
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Round 1 last season ended a few careers.
none more than the $5m chicken necked me man sitting in the coaches box.
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Round 1 last season ended a few careers.
Hang on only 5 are gone?
Richo retired due to injury not round 1 failure.
Raines has gone to brisbane.
Bowden played a fair bit of the year but his career was ending anyway
The only two players who played on the day it really finished were Brown and Schulz.
And 9 other players on the list who didn't play, but who says they weren't doomed anyway as they weren't good enough to make the 22 for round one anyway.
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Round 1 last season ended a few careers.
Hang on only 5 are gone?
Richo retired due to injury not round 1 failure.
Raines has gone to brisbane.
Bowden played a fair bit of the year but his career was ending anyway
The only two players who played on the day it really finished were Brown and Schulz.
And 9 other players on the list who didn't play, but who says they weren't doomed anyway as they weren't good enough to make the 22 for round one anyway.
Tidyman, that is WAY to logical for this board. :rollin
We cant have all these irational discussions with people like you pointing out how far of course we are :lol
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Round 1, 2009
B: Newman, Moore, Raines
HB: Bowden, McGuane, McMahon
C: Edwards, Tuck, White
HF: Brown, Richardson, Riewoldt
F: Cousins, Schulz, Tambling
R: Simmonds, Deledio, Foley
I/C: Thursfield, Morton, Jackson, Browne
17 Tigers in yellow who owe the Club big time after last year debacle.
To come in? Cotch, Vickery, Post, Martin, Nahas, Graham for Browne
For the Blues - Warnock for Cloke, McLean for Judd and Henderson for Fev. Waite no certainty to play either and he killed us off a wing in that first quarter.
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Round 1, 2009
B: Newman, Moore, Raines
HB: Bowden, McGuane, McMahon
C: Edwards, Tuck, White
HF: Brown, Richardson, Riewoldt
F: Cousins, Schulz, Tambling
R: Simmonds, Deledio, Foley
I/C: Thursfield, Morton, Jackson, Browne
To come in? Cotch, Vickery, Post, Martin, Nahas, Graham for Browne
So who would these players replace in that team?
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Round 1, 2009
B: Newman, Moore, Raines
HB: Bowden, McGuane, McMahon
C: Edwards, Tuck, White
HF: Brown, Richardson, Riewoldt
F: Cousins, Schulz, Tambling
R: Simmonds, Deledio, Foley
I/C: Thursfield, Morton, Jackson, Browne
To come in? Cotch, Vickery, Post, Martin, Nahas, Graham for Browne
So who would these players replace in that team?
The 5 in white who are no longer on our list ;)
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Vickery at FF, Post at CHF, Nahas at HFF, Martin at CHB, Graham for Browne, ??? for Raines.
Something like this MT ???
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Vickery at FF, Post at CHF, Nahas at HFF, Martin at CHB, Graham for Browne, ??? for Raines.
Something like this MT ???
With a bit of shifting and may one or two other changes depending on how fringe players in that side go over preseason under Hardwick but yeah not to dissimiliar to that. Tambling to go to Bowden's HBF then Nahas can slide in at FP. Martin at HFF in his first year where Browny was named. Cotch to replace Raines but someone else (Thursty) can play in that BP.
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i don't think McMahon will play round 1!
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i don't think McMahon will play round 1!
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Why?? Has he been going that bad in the pre-season?? Honestly how do we know Hardwick hasn't been training him out of another position??
I dont think we (any of us) can pick who and who won't be playing in the NAB Cup or round one, but it's great trying.. :thumbsup
Who knows McMahon may end up a Champion, gee I would love that, that would kill sooooo many people wouldn't it.. :lol
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How certain senior players are handled this year is going to be interesting. If Hardwick doesn't see the likes of Jordie and Kingy as part of our future they may spend most of his time at Coburg. On the other hand they may be used as "cannonfodder" in a losing side this year while the cubs are allowed to develop in their own time.
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i don't think McMahon will play round 1!
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Why?? Has he been going that bad in the pre-season?? Honestly how do we know Hardwick hasn't been training him out of another position??
I dont think we (any of us) can pick who and who won't be playing in the NAB Cup or round one, but it's great trying.. :thumbsup
Who knows McMahon may end up a Champion, gee I would love that, that would kill sooooo many people wouldn't it.. :lol
the day Mclovin becomes a player let alone a champion is the day i walk Moi down the alter
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i don't think McMahon will play round 1!
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Why?? Has he been going that bad in the pre-season?? Honestly how do we know Hardwick hasn't been training him out of another position??
I dont think we (any of us) can pick who and who won't be playing in the NAB Cup or round one, but it's great trying.. :thumbsup
Who knows McMahon may end up a Champion, gee I would love that, that would kill sooooo many people wouldn't it.. :lol
ROTFLOL It'd give half the One Eyed crowd heart attacks! ME included.
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How certain senior players are handled this year is going to be interesting. If Hardwick doesn't see the likes of Jordie and Kingy as part of our future they may spend most of his time at Coburg. On the other hand they may be used as "cannonfodder" in a losing side this year while the cubs are allowed to develop in their own time.
You know that raises the question should you use players as cannon fodder or should you throw your kids to the wolves?
It probably depends on the individual players nature, extrovert versus introvert, hot head versus cool thinker. But If I had to weight my selections one way I'd throw the kids to the wolves more than less. I think toughness is found during important games and the sooner we find the kids who can be tough to build the core team the better. Denis Pagan used to say Footy doesn't build character it weeds out those who don't have it.
I admit that's a bit of a simplistic view, I doubt Paul Roos would think in those terms. He would be more of a Footy Players are elite athletes and are trained to do the correct actions at the correct times. The better your training the better the result. Even to the point of peaking at the correct time of the season.
Still I choose a throw to the wolves leaning when your rebuilding your list.
What about others?
Are you are "Throw to the wolves" or a "play the cannon fodder" armchair admiral?
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Still I choose a throw to the wolves leaning when your rebuilding your list.
What about others?
Are you are "Throw to the wolves" or a "play the cannon fodder" armchair admiral?
I think it depends on the individual kid and as coach the job you want the kid to do. Run-with roles for young mids whose bodytype can handle the hits are perfectly fine and good for their footy education whereas it's harder if the youngster is lacking size especially in KPs. As much as I'm a fan of Vickery I don't think we can expect him to waltz in and take over the No.1 ruck role full-time yet. In fact we'd probably put his long-term career at jeopardy given the risk of injury smashing into opponents 100kgs+ for 4 quarters 22 weeks straight as a beanpole teenager.
So in the case of Jordie and Kingy I'd go with a new kid in preference as smalls are easier to find. You'd think as we head into the second half of the year we'd go more and more with cubs who are part of our future. Simmo on the other hand I can see why they kept him if he can stay injury-free and remain on the park. Basically he is cannon-fodder. We obviously would've like Richo to go around for one more year as well but it wasn't meant to be :( so we are forced to make do up forward. Hopefully Jack, Postie and Vickery can carry us through. I won't counted Griffiths as we don't know fully where he is at and after all this will be his first year so we'd be foolish to expect too much from him.
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i don't think McMahon will play round 1!
:)
Why?? Has he been going that bad in the pre-season?? Honestly how do we know Hardwick hasn't been training him out of another position??
I dont think we (any of us) can pick who and who won't be playing in the NAB Cup or round one, but it's great trying.. :thumbsup
Who knows McMahon may end up a Champion, gee I would love that, that would kill sooooo many people wouldn't it.. :lol
the day Mclovin becomes a player let alone a champion is the day i walk Moi down the alter
Can I be the wedding planner then.... :thumbsup
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Too much (griffiths) fair enough but surely the way he is going at the moment we should expect something. What did he get, 3rd or 4th around the Tan and he has been training well from all reports. He was also pick 19 as was old mate from the Dogs that we apparently missed out on. I know what people will say to that last comment but I am sure players drafted after Griffiths will play this year and impact for their clubs, if he is fit and up to it play him and lets see the impact he has.
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So do we think we will have to contend with Murphy come round 1??? If he plays surely he will be underdone, very unfortunate actually, we still should beat them at full strength IMO..
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/marc-murphy-to-have-hip-surgery/story-e6frf9io-1225818522207