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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: MADTIGER2010 on January 15, 2010, 05:53:13 PM
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We were terrible in Round 1 and 3 and the last 4 games of 2009. Alot of the reason for that was in the first 4 and last 4 games we were playing 5, 6 or 7 of the likes of Brown, Bowden, Raines, Mcmahon, Coughlan, Simmonds, Schulz, Tuck in the same games. We were slowed down as a team due to too much lack of pace, composure, skill, urgency, hardness etc. During Rounds 5-18 we looked a lot more lively with alot less of these players in the team. They were replaced by Cotchin, Thursfield, Collins, Post, Graham, Vickery, Rance, Polo, Cousins in this middle period where we won 5 games and a draw(which we should have won), while losing to Port when we should have won. So we really could have had 7 wins and gave Carlton and Adelaide a push in this period too. But in the last 4 games some of our young players such as Foley, Collins, Cotchin, Graham got injured and Post, Vickery were given a rest while the older brigade of Brown, Bowden, Mcmahon, Coughlan, Simmonds, Tuck came back into the side for some farewell games. So we should be expecting the form shown from Rounds 5-18, but expect more than that considering Post, Vickery, Cotchin missed about half that period too. So we should expect to have all these kids fit as well as Foley who missed the last 2 months of 2009. Add to that the great step taken by Edwards in the last 8 weeks last year and the addition of Martin who looks ready made for afl. We are looking at a young group who would have won 7 games in that 14 week period last year plus other wins from the remaining 8 games. 1 or 2 teams we beat last year may surprise us this year, but we'll surprise other teams who beat us last year. No reason not to expect 8 or more wins in 2010 :cheers
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We'll be better than last year
well we couldn't be much worse, or could we :rollin
waiting for the vitriol now :whistle :whistle
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We were terrible in Round 1 and 3 and the last 4 games of 2009. Alot of the reason for than was in the first 4 and last 4 games we were playing 5, 6 or 7 of the likes of Brown, Bowden, Raines, Mcmahon, Coughlan, Simmonds, Schulz, Tuck in the same games. We were slowed down as a team due to too much lack of pace, composure, skill, urgency, hardness etc. During Rounds 5-18 we looked a lot more lively with alot less of these players in the team. They were replaced by Cotchin, Thursfield, Collins, Post, Graham, Vickery, Rance, Polo, Cousins in this middle period where we won 5 games and a draw(which we should have won), while losing to Port when we should have won. So we really could have had 7 wins and gave Carlton and Adelaide a push in this period too. But in the last 4 games some of our young players such as Foley, Collins, Cotchin, Graham got injured and Post, Vickery were given a rest while the older brigade of Brown, Bowden, Mcmahon, Coughlan, Simmonds, Tuck came back into the side for some farewell games. So we should be expecting the form shown from Rounds 5-18, but expect more than that considering Post, Vickery, Cotchin missed about half that period too. So we should expect to have all these kids fit as well as Foley who missed the last 2 months of 2009. Add to that the great step taken by Edwards in the last 8 weeks last year and the addition of Martin who looks ready made for afl. We are looking at a young group who would have won 7 games in that 14 week period last year plus other wins from the remaining 8 games. 1 or 2 teams we beat last may surprise us this year, but we'll surprise other teams who beat us last year. No reason not to expect 8 or more wins in 2010 :cheers
we finish with 8 wins and IMO the season will be a waste and we would've learnnt nothing from the previous 30 years.
I dont want to win 8 games i just want to see us play with fight, not these weak pathetic efforts i see year after year.
Great step taken by Edwards!! The only step he needs to take is in the weights room. He still has a lot of work to do to be classified as a player
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Please don't start posting here too, MT. It's my one refuge from your posts.
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Please don't start posting here too, MT. It's my one refuge from your posts.
+1.
OERs innocence has been lost.
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Please don't start posting here too, MT. It's my one refuge from your posts.
Not a happy reunion Danong?
I actually like his optimistic approach even if it is a little deluded. :rollin
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Please don't start posting here too, MT. It's my one refuge from your posts.
+1.
OERs innocence has been lost.
Dont let Jack see that TA you will upset him.
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IMO we will do well this year despite what most you Tiger supporters and the rest of the world say.
Its time for a heap of faith in the coach and what hes doing for the club and if you dont buy a membership this year it will be your loss!!
Should be a ripper season. I know we had a cnt of a season last year but i saw a lot of good signs.
:gotigers 2010!!!! Eat em alive.
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IMO we will do well this year despite what most you Tiger supporters and the rest of the world say.
Its time for a heap of faith in the coach and what hes doing for the club and if you dont buy a membership this year it will be your loss!!
Should be a ripper season. I know we had a cnt of a season last year but i saw a lot of good signs.
:gotigers 2010!!!! Eat em alive.
Finally, great post and lets hope so. I am with you Harro...... :clapping
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Please don't start posting here too, MT. It's my one refuge from your posts.
Not a happy reunion Danong?
I actually like his optimistic approach even if it is a little deluded. :rollin
Of course we'll be better than last year. We can't possibly be worse. We don't need threads like this.
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In short - we're fahked!
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I really think we will surprise
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We were terrible in Round 1 and 3 and the last 4 games of 2009. Alot of the reason for than was in the first 4 and last 4 games we were playing 5, 6 or 7 of the likes of Brown, Bowden, Raines, Mcmahon, Coughlan, Simmonds, Schulz, Tuck in the same games. We were slowed down as a team due to too much lack of pace, composure, skill, urgency, hardness etc. During Rounds 5-18 we looked a lot more lively with alot less of these players in the team. They were replaced by Cotchin, Thursfield, Collins, Post, Graham, Vickery, Rance, Polo, Cousins in this middle period where we won 5 games and a draw(which we should have won), while losing to Port when we should have won. So we really could have had 7 wins and gave Carlton and Adelaide a push in this period too. But in the last 4 games some of our young players such as Foley, Collins, Cotchin, Graham got injured and Post, Vickery were given a rest while the older brigade of Brown, Bowden, Mcmahon, Coughlan, Simmonds, Tuck came back into the side for some farewell games. So we should be expecting the form shown from Rounds 5-18, but expect more than that considering Post, Vickery, Cotchin missed about half that period too. So we should expect to have all these kids fit as well as Foley who missed the last 2 months of 2009. Add to that the great step taken by Edwards in the last 8 weeks last year and the addition of Martin who looks ready made for afl. We are looking at a young group who would have won 7 games in that 14 week period last year plus other wins from the remaining 8 games. 1 or 2 teams we beat last may surprise us this year, but we'll surprise other teams who beat us last year. No reason not to expect 8 or more wins in 2010 :cheers
The factual logic of your post will escape many on here MT2010 but it's good to know a few of us see it this way.
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In short - we're fahked!
Ok let's have a look ;)
1st midfield-Delidio Cotchin Foley
Rotations-Cousins Tambling Martin Jackson Collins
Looks pretty potent to me ;D
Here's my 22
FB Edwards Thursfield Newman
HB Tambling Mcguane Rance
C Collins Cotchin White
HF Cousins Post King
FF Nahas Reiwoldt Morton
FOLL Graham Deledio Foley
INT Vickery Martin Farmer Jackson
Edwards definately looks bigger this year and his last 2 months of 2009 were impressive. Thursty and Mcguane look a bit bigger this year too. Hopefully both have hit 90kg or will by April. Solid defence who won't be under as much pressure because of a much better midfield in 2010 minus Tuck and Coughlan. We've pretty much got 2 new additions to the midfield with Martin and Cotchin. Cotch played about 2 quality games last year because he didn't have the fitness or match practice to perform anywhere near his best in the first few games when he came back. Foley and the improving Collins missed most of the 2nd half of 2009 too. Better midfield with the improving Graham and Vickery taking the ruck. Reiwoldt looks bigger too and I have full confidence he is ready for a pretty consistent season with Cousins and Morton contributing well. We'll be relying on Post and Nahas to continue their strong signs. Some will complain about White and King in the side but they will probably be our best choices to take those spots come Round 1
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i'm very confident we will improve on LY, in R1 we'll have Foley, Cotch and Collins into the midfield, all of which missed 2H of 09 season and that's notwithstanding the impact of a single recruit or a NEW coach... :shh
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I really think we will surprise
If that means improve, you've floored me!!!!!
No expectations will go into the season with eyes wide open or eyes wired shut.
Most clubs have a case at this time of year, remains to be seen if our players are ready to convert their potential.....
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I really think we will surprise
I do too, but if we get injuries we're rooted. We don't have the depth to cover them yet.
If...
Deledio steps it up to be elite.
Riewoldt and Morton get 90-100 goals between them.
The midfield tightens up and is more defensive;
then the defence will be better.
We're not going to be (we shouldn't be :pray) predictable Richmond anymore, a new game plan will surprise teams.
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i'm very confident we will improve on LY, in R1 we'll have Foley, Cotch and Collins into the midfield, all of which missed 2H of 09 season and that's notwithstanding the impact of a single recruit or a NEW coach... :shh
All doubtful except for Collins.
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i'm very confident we will improve on LY, in R1 we'll have Foley, Cotch and Collins into the midfield, all of which missed 2H of 09 season and that's notwithstanding the impact of a single recruit or a NEW coach... :shh
All doubtful except for Collins.
All 3 will be there destroying Carlton Round 1 :)
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i'm very confident we will improve on LY, in R1 we'll have Foley, Cotch and Collins into the midfield, all of which missed 2H of 09 season and that's notwithstanding the impact of a single recruit or a NEW coach... :shh
All doubtful except for Collins.
All 3 will be there destroying Carlton Round 1 :)
Why? We're not going to contend for a flag this year, so why risk good players like Foley and Cotchin? Give them as much time as they need. We don't need to be rushing them in for round 1.
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geez, how much time do they need to recuperate, they've been convalessing since June 2009 ::)
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I really think we will surprise
If that means improve, you've floored me!!!!!
No expectations will go into the season with eyes wide open or eyes wired shut.
Most clubs have a case at this time of year, remains to be seen if our players are ready to convert their potential.....
We will finish 7th or 8th.
Improve out of sight
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In short - we're fahked!
You're post, as usual, gave me a good laugh! ;D
I dont think we look at wins as the sole means of judging improvements! No blow outs(10 goals plus), improvement in numbers from the younger blokes, a never say die attitude etc. should be the KPI for this year!
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i'm very confident we will improve on LY, in R1 we'll have Foley, Cotch and Collins into the midfield, all of which missed 2H of 09 season and that's notwithstanding the impact of a single recruit or a NEW coach... :shh
All doubtful except for Collins.
All 3 will be there destroying Carlton Round 1 :)
Why? We're not going to contend for a flag this year, so why risk good players like Foley and Cotchin? Give them as much time as they need. We don't need to be rushing them in for round 1.
Oh why don't we just play the Coburg players and rest our best 25 and prepare for 2015. :banghead. If they are ready in 2 months then we are going to play them in the all important Round 1 game which we are a good chance of winning. :thumbsup
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I really think we will surprise
If that means improve, you've floored me!!!!!
No expectations will go into the season with eyes wide open or eyes wired shut.
Most clubs have a case at this time of year, remains to be seen if our players are ready to convert their potential.....
We will finish 7th or 8th.
Improve out of sight
Are you alright, Jack?
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i'm very confident we will improve on LY, in R1 we'll have Foley, Cotch and Collins into the midfield, all of which missed 2H of 09 season and that's notwithstanding the impact of a single recruit or a NEW coach... :shh
All doubtful except for Collins.
All 3 will be there destroying Carlton Round 1 :)
Why? We're not going to contend for a flag this year, so why risk good players like Foley and Cotchin? Give them as much time as they need. We don't need to be rushing them in for round 1.
Oh why don't we just play the Coburg players and rest our best 25 and prepare for 2015. :banghead. If they are ready in 2 months then we are going to play them in the all important Round 1 game which we are a good chance of winning. :thumbsup
You don't have very good reading comprehension, MT. I never said that if they were ready, they shouldn't be played. Read the bolded bits again.
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I really think we will surprise
If that means improve, you've floored me!!!!!
No expectations will go into the season with eyes wide open or eyes wired shut.
Most clubs have a case at this time of year, remains to be seen if our players are ready to convert their potential.....
We will finish 7th or 8th.
Improve out of sight
Are you alright, Jack?
Am good as gold, we aint being coached by a fool this year, we will improve more than all you think
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I really think we will surprise
If that means improve, you've floored me!!!!!
No expectations will go into the season with eyes wide open or eyes wired shut.
Most clubs have a case at this time of year, remains to be seen if our players are ready to convert their potential.....
We will finish 7th or 8th.
Improve out of sight
Are you alright, Jack?
Am good as gold, we aint being coached by a fool this year, we will improve more than all you think
Oh, I'm well aware that we'll improve immensely. It's just very uncharactaristic of you to say this. I was predicting about 10th or 11th for us.
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Am good as gold, we aint being coached by a fool this year, we will improve more than all you think
Not me Jack, not me. I've been spruiking the 'hidden' improvement for a fair while now. :thumbsup
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In short - we're fahked!
You're post, as usual, gave me a good laugh! ;D
I dont think we look at wins as the sole means of judging improvements! No blow outs(10 goals plus), improvement in numbers from the younger blokes, a never say die attitude etc. should be the KPI for this year!
I'll go along with that GR12.
Now we jut have to do it.
On the other hand,what r the chances we will elude 10 goal canings,.. ?
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Quote from: jackstar is back again on Today at 09:01:44 am
I really think we will surprise
U just made me feel all fuzzy and warm...just like when i hear a good joke. :cheers
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In short - we're fahked!
You're post, as usual, gave me a good laugh! ;D
I dont think we look at wins as the sole means of judging improvements! No blow outs(10 goals plus), improvement in numbers from the younger blokes, a never say die attitude etc. should be the KPI for this year!
I'll go along with that GR12.
Now we jut have to do it.
On the other hand,what r the chances we will elude 10 goal canings,.. ?
There will be a sprinkling of 10 goal hidings in 2010 for certain!
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In short - we're fahked!
You're post, as usual, gave me a good laugh! ;D
I dont think we look at wins as the sole means of judging improvements! No blow outs(10 goals plus), improvement in numbers from the younger blokes, a never say die attitude etc. should be the KPI for this year!
I'll go along with that GR12.
Now we jut have to do it.
On the other hand,what r the chances we will elude 10 goal canings,.. ?
I would love to be confident enough to say we wont get any, im just realistic enough to think we may still get a couple his year. Fewer the next and after that if 50% of the kids in the team are comming along nicely i think we will start being a good solid team again.
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will we be better than last yr? sheesh i bloody hope so. will we improve on the ladder ? probably not. may even go backwards ladder wise.
do people not expect other sides not to improve as well.
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2-5 wins would be what most scribes would have us at. Unlikely but then again not impossible.
6-10 wins is the most realistic figure. We will improve but the kids will need time to gel learn and gain experience.
10-14 wins would mean a possible overachieving from the list but would have us in the 6-10 ladder possie.
14-18 wins. No hope.
2012-13 is my realistic view of when we will break into the 8 and be a consistent top 8 side. 2014-15 is when the flag assault will be at its peak should this current crop realise their potential.
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do people not expect other sides not to improve as well.
Some will, some won't. That's how it is every single season.
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I honestly believe we will achieve 10-14 wins.
Reason behind this is that will have implemented a simple game plan .( unlike the last 5 years :banghead ;))
Players like Collins and Post will make huge improvements.
If Simmonds can be injury free for the season, it will allow the likes of Vickery to develop .
Also the coaching panel is extremely diverse now, gone have all the spin kings, ala Wallace, King and ""I love this club and the players Rawlings "" LOL
Wait and see
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I agree with Jackstar here - I think the players will respond positively with the simple game defensive plan and team first focus. We have removed many of our older passengers but left the core of the team and included a plethora of competing talent. Reputations are meaningless and with a new coach the slate has been wiped clean for everyone. We have a single minded long term focus driven by the CEO down to the coach. The core is maturing and strengthening. All bodes well for the season. I don't expect finals but I do expect that we will be a much more capable team. Expect a much more disciplined unit.
I just hope we win more of our home/melbourne games so my son can actually see a win live this year! :pray
Stripes
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Well I have seen something I never thought I would see;
Jackstar being positive, maybe there is some hope for this year after all
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jack as much as i think posty is a huge talent.do you really think that dramatic improvement can be made after only 6 games.wouldnt it be a case of him still finding his legs this year.
Then again he just be one out of the box,as hearing dermie last year sing his praises.
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jack as much as i think posty is a huge talent.do you really think that dramatic improvement can be made after only 6 games.wouldnt it be a case of him still finding his legs this year.
Then again he just be one out of the box,as hearing dermie last year sing his praises.
Wait and see
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I agree with Jackstar here - I think the players will respond positively with the simple game defensive plan and team first focus. We have removed many of our older passengers but left the core of the team and included a plethora of competing talent. Reputations are meaningless and with a new coach the slate has been wiped clean for everyone. We have a single minded long term focus driven by the CEO down to the coach. The core is maturing and strengthening. All bodes well for the season. I don't expect finals but I do expect that we will be a much more capable team. Expect a much more disciplined unit.
I just hope we win more of our home/melbourne games so my son can actually see a win live this year! :pray
Stripes
You hit the nail on the head there Stripes.
Being driven by the CEO through the club.
Previous CEO couldnt even pick up a hammer, LOL
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Please don't start posting here too, MT. It's my one refuge from your posts.
:lol
Need to start up another site.
20 million Richmond sites with 2 in each so we can agree with each other.
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If we base things on our top 22 stat getters from 2009 to see what has changed for 2010 .....
Of our top 22 possession winners last year we've lost three players - Bowden (10th), Brown (16th), Coughlan (22nd)
Of our top 22 2009 goalkickers we've lost a total of 28 goals - Brown (16 goals), Richo (9 goals), Bowden (3 goals)
As far as the top 22 last year in tackles we've lost only Coughlan (17th).
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/Season2008/Statistics/tabid/6315/Default.aspx
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If we base things on our top 22 stat getters from 2009 to see what has changed for 2010 .....
Of our top 22 possession winners last year we've lost three players - Bowden (10th), Brown (16th), Coughlan (22nd)
Of our top 22 2009 goalkickers we've lost a total of 28 goals - Brown (16 goals), Richo (9 goals), Bowden (3 goals)
As far as the top 22 last year in tackles we've lost only Coughlan (17th).
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/Season2008/Statistics/tabid/6315/Default.aspx
That's why I think all this talk of 'we'll go backwards because we had a huge list turnover of 10 players' is crap.
Hughes, Schulz, JON, Pettifer and Pattison were crap. All Coburg players, I don't want to jinx the boy but Martin should be instantly better than any of these guys.
Richo was getting on but will be a loss.
Bowden, Brown, Johnson and Coughlan weren't up to it anymore.
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That's why I think all this talk of 'we'll go backwards because we had a huge list turnover of 10 players' is crap.
Yep, and that also means that almost all of those 22 are only kids who now have another year of maturity and development under their belts.
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Who will we finish above on the ladder
St kilda Nope
Geelong Nope
W. bulldogs Nope
Collingwood Nope
Adelaide Nope
Brisbane Nope
Carlton Maybe ....get the feeling they might implode this year
Essendon Maybe...we have beaten them 7 out of the last 9 times.
Hawthorn Nope
Port Doubtful but Williams will be under alot of pressure this year
W. Coast Maybe...but they do have a huge home ground advantage
Sydney Nope...I have given up waiting for the fall of Sydney
North Maybe
Freo Maybe....see W.Coast
Melbourne Maybe..but they will be just as confident finishing above us.
Looks like another finish between 9th and 16th....My gut feeling suggests bottom 4 awaits.(hopefully for the last time for a while)
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I really think we will surprise
We will finish 7th or 8th.
Improve out of sight
Who stole the real Jackstar :gobdrop ;D
I'm seriously expecting nothing more than a bottom 2 finish. Now that's not saying I'm not positive about Hardwick and our list in the future 2-3 years from now but as far as 2010 goes I can't see any other list worse than ours. We lack experience and body strength big time as a team and as a club we're in the middle of Punt Rd's redevelopment so we'll have to work around that as far as training goes. I'm just hoping we are competitive in most of our games and as far as a gameplan goes we work as a unit and attempt to play football with kicking rather than handballing as first option.
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2010 Premiership Odds ....... Herald-Sun has us finishing 13-14th.
St Kilda $3.80
Geelong $4
Bulldogs $7
Adelaide $9
Coll'wood $11
Hawthorn $11
Brisbane $13
Carlton $17
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Essendon $41
Sydney $51
Port $67
WCE $67
North $81
Richmond $81
Fremantle $101
Melbourne $151
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Even little grade preps just starting school don't trust how we'll go lol
Morris, a Tigers supporter, said he was looking forward to “kicking the footy” at lunchtime.
“I also like to play cricket. Batting is my favourite,” Morris said.
Morris wouldn’t have seen much Richmond success and asked if the Tigers would win many games this year, he smiled, shrugged and said “dunno”.
http://port-phillip-leader.whereilive.com.au/news/story/prepped-for-first-year-at-port-melbourne-primary/
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AFL 2010 - Odds to make the top eight
Geelong - $1.03
St Kilda - $1.03
W.Bulldogs - $1.10
Adelaide - $1.15
Collingwood - $1.20
Hawthorn - $1.20
Brisbane - $1.25
Carlton - $1.60
Essendon - $3
Sydney - $3
Port Adelaide - $3.50
West Coast - $3.50
Richmond - $5.50
North Melb - $5.50
Fremantle - $6
Melbourne - $6.50
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/89422/default.aspx
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I would love to believe we are going to be better this year than last given we are more enthusiastic, have a better game plan, new group of talent, a new direct game plan, a more mature core group and a new coach focused on development and structure but....it's hard to imagine given the average age of our players and the players who retired.
I have to say though that any success we had, either through wins on positive performances on field, was driven by the young players we already have not the veterans that left. Bowden won a few game from single acts yet it was the rest of the youthful team that got him into the position that he could take advantage of the situation. Browny, Pettifier and Johnson did nothing and Richo was absent most of the season. The others were dead weight so really perhaps we should expect improvement as players such as Martin and Astbury will contribute to team success and others are sure to step up unexpectedly (Roberts, Polak...??).
So maybe this year will be a step up. Either way I'm looking forward to taking the journey.
Stripes
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For me anything more than 5 wins and finishing out of the bottom 3 would be a bonus.
All I want to see is the kids get genuine game time. The kids that will lead our assault in Septembers in the years to come. :thumbsup
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Man! You guys are really trying to get my hopes up aren't you.
After my expectations last year were blown out of the water in round 1 and the nail in the seasons coffin delivered by the Dees (Round 4)? I just can't do it to myself any more.
Just hopefully looking forward to watching some players step up and some young fellas showing they are more than just athletes.
Hitting some targets and standing up for each other will be signs I hope to see.
I just can no figure some of the comments, particulary from Jack Riewoldt and co about the changes going into this year.
Either the whole coaching panel was totally inept at best and even with that being said the players have their own minds and could of shown more off their own bats during the season. Just hope 'mentally' they can get over it and move on to a more proactive type of game.
Doesn't matter if we have a new game plan, have we the cattle to implement it - Looks like with Hardwick around we wont have to wait long to find out, let's just hope we dont run out of players while we are finding out.
Expectations - NIL
Watching, supporting and hoping - Allways
And don't worry about Jackstar guys, wont take long for him to turn once we are under the pump ;D
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Reality hits like a sledgehammer :-\. At least everyone at the club is reminded where we are at and what is required to be done. A bottom finish is on the cards but on the bright side another top 4 pick comes with it. We need more of the Martin and Cotch class type of player we can get our hands on.
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Statistically we may be may be worse than last season and win less than 5. However game time in the kids shrewd trading with GC and the delisting/ retirement of at least a minimum of 10 players would be seen as another move for the future also. Hopefully we will finish bottom and get pick 4.