One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on February 16, 2010, 01:18:40 PM
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The Hawks skipper jumped to new Richmond coach Damien Hardwick's defence, comparing the Tigers to Hawthorn when coach Alastair Clarkson arrived at the club.
"It might be some frustrating times for some Richmond supporters, but if you stick with Damien Hardwick, you're not going to go too far off the right track,'' Mitchell said.
"If you go back to us in 2005, Clarko's first year, you would find all the players who are playing now, we were heavily criticised. Our kicking efficiency was 16th and Hawthorn was heavily criticised. It takes a little time to learn new structures. I think their (Tigers) skill level is OK, it's just perhaps putting it together and knowing where your teammate is going to run. Once you play together for a while, you become well poised.
"If you look at the premiership sides, generally your back six play the whole season together. You look at Geelong's, it hardly changes. And they get Josh Hunt back into that mix and that's a key part to a successful side, having players play together and Richmond hasn't got that right now.''
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/sport/afl/story/0,27046,26730883-5016169,00.html
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I think their (Tigers) skill level is OK,
What planet is Sam on?
BTW "OK" is nowhere good enough
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I suppose he's on a planet where in 2005, "Our kicking efficiency was 16th and Hawthorn was heavily criticised." yet won a premiership 3 years later
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Not a bad planet all in all.
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Not a bad planet all in all.
If you're happy with our skill level, I'm happy for you :lol
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Not a bad planet all in all.
If you're happy with our skill level, I'm happy for you :lol
Way to miss the point. :thumbsup
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Shame most have missed the part where he says part of it is "knowing where your teammate is going to run"
Same with having team mates work hard to get into space
Team mates blocking someone's opponent so they can get into space
Disposal looks much better when you have someone running free and not trying to thread the eye of a needle on a 1% chance
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Not a bad planet all in all.
If you're happy with our skill level, I'm happy for you :lol
Way to miss the point. :thumbsup
I'm not missing any point
They're just words and if he seriously believes we'll be like them in three years then I'd like to see that.
We could be premiers five years in a row
Could, but more than likely not
Just words
How any of y ou can be excited by last week is beyond me
But I'm patient ::)
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Shame most have missed the part where he says part of it is "knowing where your teammate is going to run"
Same with having team mates work hard to get into space
Team mates blocking someone's opponent so they can get into space
Disposal looks much better when you have someone running free and not trying to thread the eye of a needle on a 1% chance
Exactly Infamy.
Countless times against the Tigers, opposition defence kicks a 50m pass to a guy who is 30 metres in the clear. This doesn't have to be a pin point pass, it only has to be in the general vicinity.
When we're coming out of defence we're trying a 15 metre pass that has to be spot on, otherwise it's spoiled and turned into another opposition forward thrust.
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Not sure why anyone has to "Defend" Hardwick or anyone else at the club for that matter, if people don't understand where we are at the moment then perhaps we need to defend those people for being so stuffing stupid.
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Not sure why anyone has to "Defend" Hardwick or anyone else at the club for that matter, if people don't understand where we are at the moment then perhaps we need to defend those people for being so effing stupid.
What exactly are they doing?
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Not sure why anyone has to "Defend" Hardwick or anyone else at the club for that matter, if people don't understand where we are at the moment then perhaps we need to defend those people for being so effing stupid.
What exactly are they doing?
Continually saying where we are at, how it was the same at the Hawks, how it will take time, how the game plan will take the players 1 month, 3 months or 6 months to learn. Hello we all know this so lets just get on with it, why the continual articles about the same poo.
Do you get it now?????
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Do you get it now?????
So nothing new in other words.
We hear the same spin every year.
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And, it seems, the recipe for beating Richmond is pretty well known. Pressure the ball carrier, clog up the corridor and tackle them hard for the first 10 minutes of the game and they will collapse.
It will take some time and some fresh faces to change that.
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Not a bad planet all in all.
If you're happy with our skill level, I'm happy for you :lol
Well I don't want to be a smartarse here and say where about in my post did I say that, because it was a short post lol
I was referring to the bloke who has a premiership, he is on a pretty good planet dontcha think? The one making the statement. The one in a strong side looking like they will be playing finals again this year reassuring us to have faith in Hardwick.
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Do you get it now?????
So nothing new in other words.
We hear the same spin every year.
Not really, last year we were saying top 4..... :whistle, this year since Hardwick took over we have been saying rebuilding, new game plan, new players, new coach's and the like, but some people must think we are still saying top 4 because they are all coming out defending Hardwick, the players, the game plan etc... When really there is no need to, we know where we are at and we just need to go for the ride now until we get there.
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Who gives an eff what anyone thinks Sam Mitchell, interweb pundits, anyone?
We're going to get mauled this year and next. Cop it sweet.
And after that we're all f@rked anyway if you believe the Mayans :lol
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One thing that damien has to look at is how he presents at the aftermatch. I think the coach needs to have a look at his last attempt. He looked like he was chewing gum and I was surprised the by lack of intensity. More intensity please damien and dont chew gum have a can of coke if you need to - and atleast show alittle more aggression. Otherwise he did ok. Did the best he could with what we had. Its gonna take him 2 years to fix it and put it right, how long after the 2 years to make us successful I dont know.
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I was referring to the bloke who has a premiership, he is on a pretty good planet dontcha think? The one making the statement. The one in a strong side looking like they will be playing finals again this year reassuring us to have faith in Hardwick.
So if rocket scientist Sam says we'll be crap for the next 10 years you'd believe him because he's a premiership player lol
That is the most simple thing I've read on here
I luv your hootisms, Owl lol :rollin
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I expect we will finish last and will be luck to win more the a couple of days - its whats expected.
14 new kids - I will be happy if we put some time into developing our young list to play the game we need to play to be competitive. The more we play the kids the better in my book, we will see whos worth keeping and whos not. You need about 20 games usually before most kids take a step up.
I am convinced we have people who dont follow the Tiges on this site who just love taking the P. They just bitch and sook but never offer anything contructive. The solution is to sack everyone burn down punt road, blah blah. I belive we just have to suck it up for the next few years and pray that we stick to the rebuilding plan and maybe look at the positives.
Like the kids who played their first game showed promise.IMHO
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What Sam Mitchell is saying is that we have the tools to become a better playing group,
if they learn to play games together & learn each others ability which in turn grows confidence, then they will carry & dispose of the ball better & move it quicker
His correct in saying they were once like us but also they had a few more senior players & a Brownlow medalist who never knew when to stop
We also have a Brownlow medalist & a coach that opposition players have great beleive in that helped carry them from the bottom to the ultimate glory.
We have found a player which l beleive is a ready made player with huge talent & when older players see that they lift that extra level which we so desperately lack
l can see some improvement this year & we will be unpredictable & thats what alot of club will fear
l think we have the right coach & once the other assistant coaches learn from him, that will be tranfered to the players who will get a bit cocky which is exactly what they need down there some cockyness & self beleive :gotigers
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I was referring to the bloke who has a premiership, he is on a pretty good planet dontcha think? The one making the statement. The one in a strong side looking like they will be playing finals again this year reassuring us to have faith in Hardwick.
So if rocket scientist Sam says we'll be crap for the next 10 years you'd believe him because he's a premiership player lol
That is the most simple thing I've read on here
I luv your hootisms, Owl lol :rollin
well, FNM, if you feel the need to try and score points playing funny buggers, feel free to rub one out. If you are genuinely confused, then, I will explain that I am not inferring he is right wrong or cockeyed or anything else for that matter. Just that he is doing ok in football terms, in response to the question "what planet is he on?"
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Not a bad planet all in all.
If you're happy with our skill level, I'm happy for you :lol
Way to miss the point. :thumbsup
I'm not missing any point
They're just words and if he seriously believes we'll be like them in three years then I'd like to see that.
We could be premiers five years in a row
Could, but more than likely not
Just words
How any of y ou can be excited by last week is beyond me
But I'm patient ::)
"everyone wants the baby but no-one wants to sit through the labour"
maybe this is you (which is probably understandable)
if so, it may pay to step outside the waiting room for a bit.
Cause this will get worse before it gets better.
Or you can stick around, up to you really.
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Not sure why anyone has to "Defend" Hardwick or anyone else at the club for that matter, if people don't understand where we are at the moment then perhaps we need to defend those people for being so effing stupid.
see this post is the "effing stupid" bit not the other one.
Being cynical or suspicious isn't stupid - it's probably fair call for some supporters who are fed up.
Maybe they need a rest from the tigers to "fall in love" again maybe not.
Their call.
Not stupid and not your right to call'em stupid. Stupid!!!
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"everyone wants the baby but no-one wants to sit through the labour"
Well we've certainly been screwed at the start too
Hope it only takes 9 months
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I expect we will finish last and will be luck to win more the a couple of days - its whats expected.
14 new kids - I will be happy if we put some time into developing our young list to play the game we need to play to be competitive. The more we play the kids the better in my book, we will see whos worth keeping and whos not. You need about 20 games usually before most kids take a step up.
agree with this but i reckon the 14 new kids bit is a bit of a furphy. of those 14 roberts 23 webberley 21 polak 26.nason 20 and farmer 21 all sort of scream out ready to go picks. well one would hope so anyway especially when you look at the type of player they are. mostly smalls who you want clicking around age 20. geez even the irish project is a 20 yr old.
all i ask out of all of this is we do not persevere with underperforming senior players. they either perform or play at coburg no more second chances or excuses for them. they are the problem and the line must be drawn in the sand with them.
they have to know they are expected to perform at a decent level and no excuses will be tolerated.
the seniors turning 23 or more this yr are. cousins 32, deledio 23, foley 25, graham 23, jackson 24, king 26, mcguane 23, mcmahon 27, moore 26, morton 23, newman 28, polak 26, polo 24, simmonds 32, tambling 23. thomson 23, thursfield 24, tuck 28, white 23,
19 players how many are very good. how many are core list. sheesh how many have been consistant. how many have truly established themselves as at least core list players. how many dont have at least one chronic weakness, how many have shown themselves as genuine leaders.
nope the kids are not the problem not even the ones who ultimately dont make it. the real problem lies with the mentioned 19. the ledership apart from a handful is crap.its this more than anything that will see us finish last again.
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One thing that damien has to look at is how he presents at the aftermatch. I think the coach needs to have a look at his last attempt. He looked like he was chewing gum and I was surprised the by lack of intensity. More intensity please damien and dont chew gum have a can of coke if you need to - and atleast show alittle more aggression. Otherwise he did ok. Did the best he could with what we had. Its gonna take him 2 years to fix it and put it right, how long after the 2 years to make us successful I dont know.
He certainly did not come across well at all - not with the gum bit!-very poor body language IMO
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"everyone wants the baby but no-one wants to sit through the labour"
:clapping :clapping :lol
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Not sure why anyone has to "Defend" Hardwick or anyone else at the club for that matter, if people don't understand where we are at the moment then perhaps we need to defend those people for being so effing stupid.
see this post is the "effing stupid" bit not the other one.
Being cynical or suspicious isn't stupid - it's probably fair call for some supporters who are fed up.
Maybe they need a rest from the tigers to "fall in love" again maybe not.
Their call.
Not stupid and not your right to call'em stupid. Stupid!!!
Well it's obvious that you just have no idea of what I was saying, maybe supporters like you need to finally GET THE stuff OVER the days of Geish, Frawley and Wallace. It's not about falling in love mate it's about realising where we are which is rock bottom and moving on. I have followed the Tigers for 34 years don't you think I have seen enough. Yes I have but not enough of what Hardwick is going to do.
Now lets just sit through the labour!! Stupid!!!
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"everyone wants the baby but no-one wants to sit through the labour"
Well we've certainly been screwed at the start too
Hope it only takes 9 months
maybe we shouldve worn a condom when we appointed Hardwick :scream
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Not sure why anyone has to "Defend" Hardwick or anyone else at the club for that matter, if people don't understand where we are at the moment then perhaps we need to defend those people for being so effing stupid.
see this post is the "effing stupid" bit not the other one.
Being cynical or suspicious isn't stupid - it's probably fair call for some supporters who are fed up.
Maybe they need a rest from the tigers to "fall in love" again maybe not.
Their call.
Not stupid and not your right to call'em stupid. Stupid!!!
Well it's obvious that you just have no idea of what I was saying, maybe supporters like you need to finally GET THE eff OVER the days of Geish, Frawley and Wallace. It's not about falling in love mate it's about realising where we are which is rock bottom and moving on. I have followed the Tigers for 34 years don't you think I have seen enough. Yes I have but not enough of what Hardwick is going to do.
Now lets just sit through the labour!! Stupid!!!
:stupid. Just having a larf now WA, leave your gun in your pants!!!!
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Not sure why anyone has to "Defend" Hardwick or anyone else at the club for that matter, if people don't understand where we are at the moment then perhaps we need to defend those people for being so effing stupid.
see this post is the "effing stupid" bit not the other one.
Being cynical or suspicious isn't stupid - it's probably fair call for some supporters who are fed up.
Maybe they need a rest from the tigers to "fall in love" again maybe not.
Their call.
Not stupid and not your right to call'em stupid. Stupid!!!
Well it's obvious that you just have no idea of what I was saying, maybe supporters like you need to finally GET THE eff OVER the days of Geish, Frawley and Wallace. It's not about falling in love mate it's about realising where we are which is rock bottom and moving on. I have followed the Tigers for 34 years don't you think I have seen enough. Yes I have but not enough of what Hardwick is going to do.
Now lets just sit through the labour!! Stupid!!!
:stupid. Just having a larf now WA, leave your gun in your pants!!!!
I think we are saying the same thing Y&B, but I just just sick of the same old people whinging when we know what we have and where we are going... :wallywink
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What Sam Mitchell is saying is that we have the tools to become a better playing group,
if they learn to play games together & learn each others ability which in turn grows confidence, then they will carry & dispose of the ball better & move it quicker
His correct in saying they were once like us but also they had a few more senior players & a Brownlow medalist who never knew when to stop
We also have a Brownlow medalist & a coach that opposition players have great beleive in that helped carry them from the bottom to the ultimate glory.
We have found a player which l beleive is a ready made player with huge talent & when older players see that they lift that extra level which we so desperately lack
l can see some improvement this year & we will be unpredictable & thats what alot of club will fear
l think we have the right coach & once the other assistant coaches learn from him, that will be tranfered to the players who will get a bit cocky which is exactly what they need down there some cockyness & self beleive :gotigers
:bow Post of the decade. Especially the self beleif and cockyness.
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What Sam Mitchell is saying is that we have the tools to become a better playing group,
if they learn to play games together & learn each others ability which in turn grows confidence, then they will carry & dispose of the ball better & move it quicker
His correct in saying they were once like us but also they had a few more senior players & a Brownlow medalist who never knew when to stop
We also have a Brownlow medalist & a coach that opposition players have great beleive in that helped carry them from the bottom to the ultimate glory.
We have found a player which l beleive is a ready made player with huge talent & when older players see that they lift that extra level which we so desperately lack
l can see some improvement this year & we will be unpredictable & thats what alot of club will fear
l think we have the right coach & once the other assistant coaches learn from him, that will be tranfered to the players who will get a bit cocky which is exactly what they need down there some cockyness & self beleive :gotigers
Yep, what he said. :thumbsup
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"everyone wants the baby but no-one wants to sit through the labour"
Well we've certainly been screwed at the start too
Hope it only takes 9 months
:lol