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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on April 04, 2010, 09:57:53 PM
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Fire away :help
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OUT: Jackson, Farmer, Edwards, Nahas, Simmonds
IN: Browne, Roberts, Webberley, Cousins, Collins
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Watched a half of Coburg yesterday and after watching the tiges tonite suggest the following.
Ins. Polo ( who didnt play yesterday ) Cousins, Tuck.
Out Nahas, Edwards and Tambling.
Farmer out ?? Roberts in ??
Didnt see anyone else at who warrants a game.
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OUT: Jackson, Farmer, Edwards, Nahas, Simmonds
IN: Browne, Roberts, Webberley, Cousins, Collins
Couldnt possibly play Collins
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Simmonds out for Browne
Tambling out for Webberley. Straight swap at half back.
Nahas out for Cousins.
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OUT: Jackson, Farmer, Edwards, Nahas, Simmonds
IN: Browne, Roberts, Webberley, Cousins, Collins
Couldnt possibly play Collins
Forgot about Polo, swap Collins for him. The cupboards a little bare!! :rollin
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Simmonds and Nahas out. No INS, play with 20. Tell the rest how poo they really are. Make Connors play with busted ribs and show him Nigel Lappins game in the 02 (I think) GF.
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Simmonds and Nahas out. No INS, play with 20. Tell the rest how poo they really are. Make Connors play with busted ribs and show him Nigel Lappins game in the 02 (I think) GF.
We agree :clapping :clapping :clapping
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cant believe ppl want edwards out he was one of our shining lights
out jackson hislop nahas simmonds farmer
in kids
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Edwards had a fair few clangers, but he had to take on Aker. I'll give him another chance.
Out: Nahas, Simmonds, King, Hislop, Farmer / Tambling
In: Polo, Rance, Dea, Browne, Webberley
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Ins: Browne, Polo, Cousins
Out: Simmonds, King, Edwards
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edwards put his body infront of bazza and other doggy fwds many times. he showed great courage and never stopped having a go and taking the game on, he is safe
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Yeah you're probably right, just think physically he's not there yet, Hall inserted him 4 feet into the MCG turf punt road end at one stage. To his credit its obvious he's worked hard over the pre season.
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Edwards hasn't been one of my favourite players over the years but willing to keep on with him.
Please get Simmo out of the side, way to painful too watch. Play Kingy in the ruck if we have to but no more Simmo.
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It's time to go on a pygmy cull:
OUT: King-Farmer-Edwards-Tambling-Thomson-Nahas-Simmonds(mental pygmy)
IN: Polo-Tuck-Webberley-Cousins-Rance-Browne-Graham
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after watching coburg on sat.
couldnt possibly play Browne, Graham, Rance.
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after watching a half of coburg on sat.
couldnt possibly play Browne, Graham, Rance.
Edited for accuracy.
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after watching a half of coburg on sat.
couldnt possibly play Browne, Graham, Rance.
Edited for accuracy.
Yep ,and I seen enough in a half of football,
Rance at Full Foward ::)
Graham hopeless.
I actually would play Polak although I dont know where ?
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OUT: Farmer, King, Nahas
In: Polak, Tuck, Cousins (If Available) If not, White.
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OUT: Farmer, King, Nahas
In: Polak, Tuck, Cousins (If Available) If not, White.
Add Edwards out to that lot with Polo in and I agree with your other selections. Maybe even Webberly in for Post.
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OUT: Farmer, King, Nahas
In: Polak, Tuck, Cousins (If Available) If not, White.
White, no thanks I already get enough excitement out of Jacko kicking the ball
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it really makes no difference who is in or out (exception of Cousins)
cause they all as bad as each other ;D
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after watching a half of coburg on sat.
couldnt possibly play Browne, Graham, Rance.
Edited for accuracy.
Yep ,and I seen enough in a half of football,
Rance at Full Foward ::)
Graham hopeless.
I actually would play Polak although I dont know where ?
Rance got significantly better in the 2nd half once he had some confidence.
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Outs: Nahas, Farmer, Simmonds, King
Ins: Polo, BrownE, Webberley Cousins, (if fit, if not Tuck or White)
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after watching coburg on sat.
couldnt possibly play Browne, Graham, Rance.
Let's stick with Simmonds then, because he's in such scintillating form, and is obviously the future of our club.
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after watching coburg on sat.
couldnt possibly play Browne, Graham, Rance.
Let's stick with Simmonds then, because he's in such scintillating form, and is obviously the future of our club.
Mate, if you think Simmonds is bad, you should look at the other 2.
It took Graham 3 games to get a possesion :banghead :banghead :banghead.
And I cannot understand why Graham spent 70% of each quarter on the ground and Browne 30% at Coburg on sat :banghead
Need to keep both on the ground for a long as possible, both struggle with endurance
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we have no rucks simmonds, graham and browne not up to it imho. vickery needs time, in november we should pick up a 25yo bash and crash type ruck out of a state league with our last pick and then another 1 in the psd.
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Yeah Jackster, I was at the Whitten Oval on Saturday too, and I agree with you. Neither Gus or Browne showed anything to write home about.
But I'd like to just bite the bullet and bring them both in, so we can have a three way ruck/fwd/bench rotation thing happening with Vickery too.
But then again, I'm the official " let's play all the kids" advocate on this forum ;D
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we have no rucks simmonds, graham and browne not up to it imho. vickery needs time, in november we should pick up a 25yo bash and crash type ruck out of a state league with our last pick and then another 1 in the psd.
Should of picked up Mumford, pointless talking about it now though
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we have no rucks simmonds, graham and browne not up to it imho. vickery needs time, in november we should pick up a 25yo bash and crash type ruck out of a state league with our last pick and then another 1 in the psd.
Should of picked up Mumford, pointless talking about it now though
Would have cost us either B Griffiths or D Astbury to obtain Mumford. He came at a bit of price, but i do think we should have at least grabbed one in the rookie draft instead of jockeys and what have you.
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Conners couldnt possibly come up!
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we have no rucks simmonds, graham and browne not up to it imho. vickery needs time, in november we should pick up a 25yo bash and crash type ruck out of a state league with our last pick and then another 1 in the psd.
Should of picked up Mumford, pointless talking about it now though
And trade another early draft pick? No thanks. No way I would I be happy if Richmond bettered the Swans pick 28 to get him given we needed all the picks we had to get some quality early (i.e. Griffiths and Astbury).
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we have no rucks simmonds, graham and browne not up to it imho. vickery needs time, in november we should pick up a 25yo bash and crash type ruck out of a state league with our last pick and then another 1 in the psd.
i was advocating that for last 2 drafts, for mine cartledge wasn't given enough of a go...
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after watching coburg on sat.
couldnt possibly play Browne, Graham, Rance.
Let's stick with Simmonds then, because he's in such scintillating form, and is obviously the future of our club.
Mate, if you think Simmonds is bad, you should look at the other 2.
It took Graham 3 games to get a possesion :banghead :banghead :banghead.
And I cannot understand why Graham spent 70% of each quarter on the ground and Browne 30% at Coburg on sat :banghead
Need to keep both on the ground for a long as possible, both struggle with endurance
At least Graham & Browne have a chance of improving, Simmo is getting worse
Given Simmo's output in the last 2 games I'd rather Graham playing anyway, they offer about the same
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Simmons can only play full forward
Graham cant play anywhere
polak for the ruck, desperate times, desperate measures!
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In (Out):
Roberts (King), Polo (Nahas), Browne (Simmonds), Webberley (Edwards), Astbury (Hislop)
Team:
B: Farmer, Thursfield, Moore
HB: Webberley, McGuane, Deledio
C: Nason, Newman, Martin
HF: Polo, Riewoldt, Tambling
F: Morton, Post, Roberts
Ruck: Vickery
Ruck Rover: Thomson
Rover: Jackson
Int: Cotchin, Browne, Astbury, Connors
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I like Newman in the centre, it has to happen, not sure about Roberts back, is all forgiven?
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I like Newman in the centre, it has to happen, not sure about Roberts back, is all forgiven?
i hope Newman does play in the midfield but i think Hardwick would see this as a "Quick Fix" which he do not like.
just like playing Simmonds at full forward is a "Quick Fix"!
Roberts was suspended for 1 week, so i am assuming all is "OK" with him, hoping Roberts appreciates the opportunity he has.
:)
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agree about newman, best for the moment but not long term solution, but simmons at full forward is more about Jack than simmons or even the overall result, he is thrown to the wolves all alone down there
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I would like to see something like this next round.
B: Moore Thursfield Connors
HB: Webberley McGuane Tambling
C: Cotchin Jackson Newman
HF: Polo Riewoldt Nason
F: Morton Post Rance
Foll: Simmonds Deledio Martin
Int: Dea Thomson Vickery Roberts
Emg: Browne Edwards Tuck
Out: Edwards, Farmer, Hislop, King, Nahas
In: Dea, Webberley, Polo, Rance, Roberts
Average height of outs: 179cm
Average height of ins: 185cm
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I would like to see something like this next round.
B: Moore Thursfield Connors
HB: Webberley McGuane Tambling
C: Cotchin POLO Newman
HF: ROBERTS Riewoldt COUSINS
F: Morton Post TAYLOR
Foll: BROWNE Deledio Martin
Int: TUCK EDWARDS NASON Vickery
THATS MY TEAM 4 NEXT WEEK
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Any reason for Nason and Edwards being highlighted?
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I'm not seeing why people want Thomson out of the team for Tuck. Tuck still isn't doing the team-oriented stuff. That's why he's playing at half-back at Coburg. He needs to be more accountable.
Thomson is doing the right things at the moment. He has 83% disposal efficiency, had 4 clearances, and only 1 clanger against the Dogs. Dimma should persist with him for a bit longer.
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Why should Roberts come straight back in?Did he do enough round one?......I thoughout his performance against Carlton was serviceable at best
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Any reason for Nason and Edwards being highlighted?
no reason , just buggered that up
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I'm not seeing why people want Thomson out of the team for Tuck. Tuck still isn't doing the team-oriented stuff. That's why he's playing at half-back at Coburg. He needs to be more accountable.
Thomson is doing the right things at the moment. He has 83% disposal efficiency, had 4 clearances, and only 1 clanger against the Dogs. Dimma should persist with him for a bit longer.
because tuck should be playing as a fwd he can take a big mark, strong body and can kick goals, i domnt believe stats i believe what i see, the stats also flatter jackson , but stats lie , they both are poo
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playing Tuck up forward would be seen as a "Quick Fix".
:)
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Why should Roberts come straight back in?Did he do enough round one?......I thoughout his performance against Carlton was serviceable at best
We need to try him. He's 24.
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after watching coburg on sat.
couldnt possibly play Browne, Graham, Rance.
Jack are you Troy Simmonds.
You've done everything possibly to promote Simmonds efforts and everything against anyone trying to take his spot.
Simmonds does nothing as a 31 year old. How can a 19 year old developing ruckman be any worse. Risking injury would be the only thing I'd be worrying about.
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Get rid of Hislop. He has had two matches. He had at least 7 clangers against the dogs. He was sub standard against the blues. Keep Post in. If you drop Simmonds who do you put in his place? Graham not good enough. Bring in Tuck to help out Martin. Blood some youngsters
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after watching coburg on sat.
couldnt possibly play Browne, Graham, Rance.
Jack are you Troy Simmonds.
You've done everything possibly to promote Simmonds efforts and everything against anyone trying to take his spot.
Simmonds does nothing as a 31 year old. How can a 19 year old developing ruckman be any worse. Risking injury would be the only thing I'd be worrying about.
No. I am not Troy.
Have seen plenty of Graham and Browne.
Graham simply cannot play and Browne aint ready
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Simmonds simply cannot play.
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Graham simply cannot play
Neither can Simmo anymore
Browne aint ready
Maybe not, but neither was Vickery when he got a call up last year
He can at least play 20-30% game time, has a bigger build than Vickery to handle the ruck and rest him forward for brief stints to allow for more rotations. Just having that extra tall to throw forward would keep a defender away from Jack, Morton, etc.
Graham may not be a world beater, but he can at least contest the ruck contests as his body is big enough and I couldn't care less about Graham not getting a kick because Simmo isn't either.
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Graham simply cannot play
Neither can Simmo anymore
Browne aint ready
Maybe not, but neither was Vickery when he got a call up last year
He can at least play 20-30% game time, has a bigger build than Vickery to handle the ruck and rest him forward for brief stints to all for more rotations. Just having that extra tall to throw forward would keep a defender away from Jack, Morton, etc.
Graham may not be a world beater, but he can at least contest the ruck contests as his body is big enough and I couldn't care less about Graham getting a kick because Simmo isn't either.
exactly, ol man simmo would not have taken more than 3 or 4 marks this year...simply cant get too contests...suggesting Gra is on the outer by comparrison is folly :lol
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after watching coburg on sat.
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Have seen plenty of Graham and Browne.
Graham simply cannot play and Browne aint ready
Jack I saw Roy Wright play his first games and you would not give 2 bob for him as he would get in the way of his teammates even knock them out of the way sometimes and was generally clumsy however Dyer stuck with him and the result shows in his record
As for Browne we know that he showed enough to get selected in the first round of the 2009 season
i am firmly connvinced that unless Richmond give this kid a decent go then he will end up another broken hearted kid who will be snapped up by a rival club
The only place to learn to play is with and against the top opposition and that is what Richmond should be about this year,
As for Graham last season he was put to full foward during a game and he led out straight and true twice when the ball came into the forward line in the space of a very short time took two marks solidly on his chest and kicked sucessfully on both ocassions then is was back into the ruck again for him perhaps ruck is not his position
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cant believe ppl want edwards out he was one of our shining lights
out jackson hislop nahas simmonds farmer
in kids
Are you joking or just on drugs, Edwards did nothing.
My son and i were keeping track of his possessions and forcasting when he was going to turn it over (every second disposal). The one time he did have a chance to block Hall he stopped and looked back to see where he was coming from he was so scared.
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Get rid of Hislop. He has had two matches. He had at least 7 clangers against the dogs. He was sub standard against the blues. Keep Post in. If you drop
5 of Hislops clangers were free kicks against and I'm not sure all those were deserved. He's not a world beater but there is no one better in the position he plays until we can get Troy Taylor up to standard.
Simmonds who do you put in his place? Graham not good enough.
Simmonds isn't good enough anyway. Play Browne before Graham then, bottom line see if the kids can cope on a small ground and if they're sore the next week use Simmo as insurance.
Bring in Tuck to help out Martin. Blood some youngsters
Does not compute. You can't say bring in Tuck and then "blood some youngsters" as it's fair to say playing Tuck will push a youngster out.
8 clearances last week says to me Martin is learning just fine with the players he has by his side and I'd rather put games into Nason or Thomson than Tuck.
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Just a thought, but with us getting flogged in the ruck, why don't we just man up in the middle, at ball ups and throw ins. Make it a fifty, fifty. Let our boys learn the defensive side of playing on-ball as well as the offensive side. Our ruck stocks are pretty slim to say the least but unless you have a great ruckman they are useless in todays footy imo. If there ruckmen is taking heaps of grabs around the ground (Sandilands) that's different but to date they haven't. And the league doesn't have to many ruckmen that dominate around the ground in terms of marks and kicks. Most are pretty useless really other than for actual ruck work.
Geelong have average ruckmen (other than Ottens that has missed more than he has played over the last few years) but still dominate in the centre. Same with Hawthorn, Collingwood, even St. Kilda. My point is, there is ways of winning without being blessed with great ruckmen. Just have to think outside the square.... (pardon the pun)....
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RICHMOND
The Tigers will be buoyed by the looming availability of Nathan Foley, who is likely to return in the VFL if he gets through training this week. An ankle injury has prevented the midfielder from playing this year. Ben Cousins is still battling a sore knee, but is a possible inclusion.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/91752/default.aspx
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Out: Nahas, Edwards, Connors (injured), Simmonds
In: Roberts, Polo, Webberly, Browne
Smaller ground might help Browne out a bit more, play him in conjunction with Vickery.
Foley and Griffiths to play at Coburg.
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Out: Nason, Edwards, Connors (injured), Simmonds
In: Roberts, Polo, Webberly, Browne
Smaller ground might help Browne out a bit more, play him in conjunction with Vickery.
Foley and Griffiths to play at Coburg.
Why drop Nason before Nahas?? Especially if you are bringing in Roberts I'd think on form and for a like-for-like position player Nahas must go before Nason.
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Out: Nason, Edwards, Connors (injured), Simmonds
In: Roberts, Polo, Webberly, Browne
Smaller ground might help Browne out a bit more, play him in conjunction with Vickery.
Foley and Griffiths to play at Coburg.
Why drop Nason before Nahas?? Especially if you are bringing in Roberts I'd think on form and for a like-for-like position player Nahas must go before Nason.
Aggrrrrrr, sorry, second time I have done that, I will edit, I did mean Nahas, cheers TA.. :thumbsup
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I am sorry but Hislop has had his chances. Taylor is not the only option to replace him. Would rather give an untried player a chance than persist with Hislop. Giving away multiple is ill discipline. To say Martin does not need help is simply wrong. Look at the Bulldogs they do not rely on just one player to win the hardball. Remember Martin has not been heavily tagged yet what happens if he does. It is naive to say he does not need help. If you bring in Tuck it lessens the pressure on Martin. Having Tuck in the team does not prevent blooding youngsters.
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I am sorry but Hislop has had his chances. Taylor is not the only option to replace him. Would rather give an untried player a chance than persist with Hislop. Giving away multiple is ill discipline. To say Martin does not need help is simply wrong. Look at the Bulldogs they do not rely on just one player to win the hardball. Remember Martin has not been heavily tagged yet what happens if he does. It is naive to say he does not need help. If you bring in Tuck it lessens the pressure on Martin. Having Tuck in the team does not prevent blooding youngsters.
So name the player we replace Hislop with that plays his role?
Martin has Deledio and Cotchin around him. Even Thomson is better to have around than Tuck being a player who actually has a hope of playing finals with this group in the distant future.
WE clearly have different opinions of what Tuck brings.
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I am sorry but Hislop has had his chances. Taylor is not the only option to replace him. Would rather give an untried player a chance than persist with Hislop. Giving away multiple is ill discipline. To say Martin does not need help is simply wrong. Look at the Bulldogs they do not rely on just one player to win the hardball. Remember Martin has not been heavily tagged yet what happens if he does. It is naive to say he does not need help. If you bring in Tuck it lessens the pressure on Martin. Having Tuck in the team does not prevent blooding youngsters.
Hislop has played 14 games in his career as part of a developing side, I'd hardly call that "had his chances". Taylor may not be the only option to replace him, however you couldn't have picked a more opposite player to consider replacing Hislop with. Taylor lacks intensity and needs to work harder. Hislop's best attribute is his hardness at the contest and forward line pressure. Granted Hislop would want to improve this year, however as long as he's doing the job Hardwick is setting for him, then he's young enough to keep his spot. Start looking at the older player to get rid of, not the kids who are still developing.
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I am sorry but Hislop has had his chances. Taylor is not the only option to replace him. Would rather give an untried player a chance than persist with Hislop. Giving away multiple is ill discipline. To say Martin does not need help is simply wrong. Look at the Bulldogs they do not rely on just one player to win the hardball. Remember Martin has not been heavily tagged yet what happens if he does. It is naive to say he does not need help. If you bring in Tuck it lessens the pressure on Martin. Having Tuck in the team does not prevent blooding youngsters.
So name the player we replace Hislop with that plays his role?
Martin has Deledio and Cotchin around him. Even Thomson is better to have around than Tuck being a player who actually has a hope of playing finals with this group in the distant future.
WE clearly have different opinions of what Tuck brings.
Polo
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In Polo, Graham, Webberley, Roberts, Rance, Cousins
Out Hislop, Nahas, Simmonds, Jackson, Thomson, King (all these players have one thing in common. Can you guess what is is ???
THEY CANT @$$#@$ KICK !!!!
Play Polo, Roberts, Cousins & Rance forward with Reiwoldt & Morton
Graham to ruck all day
Webberely on the wing running free
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Hislop is a one dimensional footballer. He is not particulaly quick on the lead. He is yet to show he is good at taking contested marks. He is a poor kick. Just because he is young does not mean we should not drop him. JON played less games in the seniors and was delisted. You have to have one than one string to your bow if you play in the forward line. Look at players at other clubs eg Ryan O'Keefe at the swans he now plays in the midfield. Look at our own team players like Trent and Brett have one than one string to their bows. Applying just defensive pressure is not enough you have got to kick goals. We are struggling to kick goals as it is. We need to support Jack and Mictch. Giving away 5 free kicks is not defensive pressure. I agree try Polo. He can kick goals.
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Greg Denham on KB's show just before said Tuck is a "certainty" to play this week.
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so In: Tuck and Cousins ... who will miss?
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so In: Tuck and Cousins ... who will miss?
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i think this is not a good move!
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King, Hislop and Nahas would be in the gun to get the chop. Robbie has done nothing this year and the Kingy and Sloppy are just not up to it.
Bring Tucky in would just be a stopgap measure.
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Word is Browne could be in
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Word is Browne could be in
As long as he comes in for one of our too many smalls then I don't have a prob with that.
Edit: Nah Browne's not one of the ins.