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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on April 13, 2010, 06:42:55 AM
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Matt Granland (sp?) just said Craig Cameron is coming up later on SEN's Morning Glory with Tim Watson and Andrew Gaze. So guessing sometime around 8am - 9am.
If anyone can listen in and give us a brief summary of what Cameron says it will be much appreciated :).
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Heard enough of Cameron last year during the Wallace events,
If he is going to tell the truth.
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He is half the problem at Punt Rd
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cameron said that rfc had to make a stand as we have 14 new players and want this club to have the right culture and what happened in sydney was not acceptable
connors was the only one who was drunk and actually fell over and hit his head on the toilet, could have been worse
cousins was involved in a scuffle trying to restrain an out of control connors but isnt sure whether punches were thrown or not
polo mguane and cousins were not drinking were not drinking but were punished because they could have handled the situation differently and by punishing them it sets an example that sitting back letting a team mate get out of control is not acceptable.
connors has admitted he has a problem with alcohol and will now be treated 4 that
CC spoke quite well
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CC also said that cuz has been a positive influence on the boys and is a required player
he also stressed that cuz had not ben drinking and his punishment is only bec he could have acted and reacted differently with the other 2 in preventing this incident
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tis bloody harsh penalty on those that tried to assist yet failed, draconian to a point, I spose need to be cruel to be kind when leading a large group of men, but sheesh there are a range of penalties that could have been administered..$$$$, or extra shifts on the promotional work
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i have said this from the start, the rfc gotthis all wrong and cracked under the [pressure from the media to look tough
connors should have got 2 weeks thats it, sugar did worse and got 2 weeks
polo and mguane should have got 1 week for missing recovery
cuz should have got off free, he did nothing wrong but they could not be seen favouring him oh no
idiots
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i have said this from the start, the rfc gotthis all wrong and cracked under the [pressure from the media to look tough
connors should have got 2 weeks thats it, sugar did worse and got 2 weeks
polo and mguane should have got 1 week for missing recovery
cuz should have got off free, he did nothing wrong but they could not be seen favouring him oh no
idiots
not sure 2w would have been enough given he has priors for being an idiot...4 - 6 would have been right
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i have said this from the start, the rfc gotthis all wrong and cracked under the [pressure from the media to look tough
connors should have got 2 weeks thats it, sugar did worse and got 2 weeks
polo and mguane should have got 1 week for missing recovery
cuz should have got off free, he did nothing wrong but they could not be seen favouring him oh no
idiots
not sure 2w would have been enough given he has priors for being an idiot...4 - 6 would have been right
what priors has he had, r u aware of any priors, i have not heard anything about priors til now
this is a dramatic overreaction purely bec they were under media presure to show that we r strong, but instead it shows we are weak
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i have said this from the start, the rfc gotthis all wrong and cracked under the [pressure from the media to look tough
connors should have got 2 weeks thats it, sugar did worse and got 2 weeks
polo and mguane should have got 1 week for missing recovery
cuz should have got off free, he did nothing wrong but they could not be seen favouring him oh no
idiots
not sure 2w would have been enough given he has priors for being an idiot...4 - 6 would have been right
what priors has he had, r u aware of any priors, i have not heard anything about priors til now
this is a dramatic overreaction purely bec they were under media presure to show that we r strong, but instead it shows we are weak
alot of incidents remain in house X, reportedly he was behaving like a pork chop at the B&F after a skinful and there are rumours abounding of stoushes elsewhere...
Let's just say if half of it were true then YES he has priors ::)
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i have said this from the start, the rfc gotthis all wrong and cracked under the [pressure from the media to look tough
connors should have got 2 weeks thats it, sugar did worse and got 2 weeks
polo and mguane should have got 1 week for missing recovery
cuz should have got off free, he did nothing wrong but they could not be seen favouring him oh no
idiots
:clapping :clapping Spot on.
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I have no great opinion on Connor's 8 weeks, suffice to say that if he has significant history then he probably got what he deserved - an in-your-face rude, last chance, wake-up call.
I do however, have a strong opinion on the other 3. This is a team game where premierships are won by teams of players that will bleed for each other - we at Richmond have a long (now) history of not doing that. Cousins, McGuane and Polo let their team mate down badly by letting him get to that state or position in the first place. It's not about Connors being an adult and responsible for his own actions - this is about 'having your team mate's back'. They were in a team hotel on a team trip after playing a match as a team and they let their team mate get in that state, most likely suspecting how it would all end up given his history. The fact they tried to stop it - all too little, all too late - just condemns them more. It doesn't even matter if they like Connors or not, thought he was funny, stupid, whatever. They would have seen the transition from control to lack of control over the period of drinking and chose to do nothing to protect their team mate from himself until the damage was done - a Freudian indicator of how this group of players has not yet learned the meaning, method, or manner of "team". So I have no problem with the suspensions handed down to these 3 and I hope and pray that Hardwick rams the message down the lists' collective throats over the next few days, weeks and months. Until all 48 players wearing the yellow and black are prepared to bleed for each other we cannot hope to succeed.
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Hi all, is it possible that all of this crap that's around our club will somehow have a unifying effect on not only the club but the supporters to just push us all in the one direction and shove it all up the afl, the media,...the knockers in general? I'm no expert(just luv our club) but I just can't help thinking that all of these groups are worried that we may be building towards something(even if it's a season or 2 away).I don't know, just my thoughts. Cheers ???
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hurely atthe bomber gets 4 weeks for getting drunk and bashing a taxi driver
connors gets 8 weeks for just getting drunk
if its true that he has been known to have a problem then the club is also at fault for not doing enough to help him so this didnt repeat if it is true that at the b and f he played up
connors has been treated as a scapegoat , cuz shafted
the other 2 missed recovery so they deserve 1 week
connors shoul dhave been looked after and treated before this happened if they knew he had a problem
once again rfc stuffing up
peterson will be a gun atthe hawks , rfc should have persisted and helped him rather than stuff him off
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Heard enough of Cameron last year during the Wallace events,
If he is going to tell the truth.
::)
He is half the problem at Punt Rd
you forgot Marchfly as well :thumbsup ;D
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i have said this from the start, the rfc gotthis all wrong and cracked under the [pressure from the media to look tough
connors should have got 2 weeks thats it, sugar did worse and got 2 weeks
polo and mguane should have got 1 week for missing recovery
cuz should have got off free, he did nothing wrong but they could not be seen favouring him oh no
idiots
mate it was Sugar's birthday, his only taking a pee cause he had no keys ;D
Conners is a loose cannon. His lucky Ben didnot go to town on him for what he said :thumbsup
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hurely atthe bomber gets 4 weeks for getting drunk and bashing a taxi driver
connors gets 8 weeks for just getting drunk
Hurley's was a first offence football-wise and he was also punished for the assault by the civilian judicial system. Connor's wasn't his first offence football-wise and was penalised accordingly.
if its true that he has been known to have a problem then the club is also at fault for not doing enough to help him so this didnt repeat if it is true that at the b and f he played up
How do you know the club haven't done a whole heap to help him and that he has chosen to ignore that help? You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink it. He is an adult and responsible for his own actions.
connors has been treated as a scapegoat , cuz shafted
Cousins didn't seem to think he was shafted, he acknowledged he should have done more. And who/what is Connors a scapegoat for?
once again rfc effing up
peterson will be a gun atthe hawks , rfc should have persisted and helped him rather than eff him off
Yep, just like Essendon should have with Andrew Lovett. Sometimes, people are beyond help or not ready for it - our club (or any other for that matter) can't afford to sit around for ever using resources to help the individual who chooses to keep on stuffing up on the off-chance that they might come good in the future.
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hurely atthe bomber gets 4 weeks for getting drunk and bashing a taxi driver
connors gets 8 weeks for just getting drunk
if its true that he has been known to have a problem then the club is also at fault for not doing enough to help him so this didnt repeat if it is true that at the b and f he played up
connors has been treated as a scapegoat , cuz shafted
the other 2 missed recovery so they deserve 1 week
connors shoul dhave been looked after and treated before this happened if they knew he had a problem
once again rfc effing up
peterson will be a gun atthe hawks , rfc should have persisted and helped him rather than eff him off
x,
Regarding Connors, IMO the club have got this 100% right.
As mentioned else where he has priors; a few actually. As reported in the Age this morning and others have mentioned, he was a dill at the B&F (that's being nice). Fortunately it was an occassion where the Club managed to keep something in house (and those of us who knew ;D didn't blab it on the internet ;)) and the details now are not important
I can assure you the club has tried to help Daniel, he has been warned and the help has been there but at the end of the day Dan Connors he has to want to help himself. Hopefully this is the kick up the bum he needs or he will become another waste of obvious natural talent
I don't think you can compare what penalities different clubs hand out. The Bombers not the RFC decided Hurley's punishment, just the like Blues decided the joke of a penalty for the instigators of the booze cruise before Xmas.
Has the Club been harsh - yeah probably but it needed to be done and yes most definitely they should have been tougher in the past. However, we cannot undo what was done previously we can deal with the present to make us a stronger and more respected club in the future
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Connors :cheers ::)
If you are referring to me ;)
Yep, common knowledge what happened on B & F night ::)
Who really cares about Daniel Connors. ::)
Can tell you who is to blame for all of this, the club.
All of this should of been "'stamped out "" along along time ago.
More to this story that meets the eye you will find :shh
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Well theres not much more that Hardwick could have done to this stage IMHO. Hes sacked blokes left right and centre, hes suspending blokes for bad behaviours, he let the whole team have it during the week according to some press and some others- he went right through them in talk he gave. Cant do much more at this stage I wouldnt have thought.
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Connors :cheers ::)
If you are referring to me ;)
Yep, common knowledge what happened on B & F night ::)
Who really cares about Daniel Connors. ::)
Can tell you who is to blame for all of this, the club.
All of this should of been "'stamped out "" along along time ago.
More to this story that meets the eye you will find :shh
I actually agree with you :clapping
If there was a history here, why weren't measures taken to get this kid off to counselling before instead of waiting for an incident that was a monty to happen anyway.
Why should the other three be penalised just because they didn't stop him from going off. Why wasn't the players manager not there to stop it? Why penalise three people who tried to help the bloke from doing more damage.
The security at the hotel only said Connors was the troublemaker.
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If there was a history here, why weren't measures taken to get this kid off to counselling before instead of waiting for an incident that was a monty to happen anyway.
Why should the other three be penalised just because they didn't stop him from going off. Why wasn't the players manager not there to stop it? Why penalise three people who tried to help the bloke from doing more damage.
The security at the hotel only said Connors was the troublemaker.
How do you know measures have'nt been taken in the past? I think a message has been sent to Connors ages ago in regard to his attitude before getting senior games at Richmond.
The other three, if they joined him in drinking in his/their room, have actively encouraged Connors to keep drinking. Not a good choice given his history.
The player manager should not be required to do a bed check on full-time, professional, adult sportspeople. Given that, should mini-bars be in players rooms?
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Connors :cheers ::)
If you are referring to me ;)
Yep, common knowledge what happened on B & F night ::)
Who really cares about Daniel Connors. ::)
Can tell you who is to blame for all of this, the club.
All of this should of been "'stamped out "" along along time ago.
More to this story that meets the eye you will find :shh
I actually agree with you :clapping
If there was a history here, why weren't measures taken to get this kid off to counselling before instead of waiting for an incident that was a monty to happen anyway.
Why should the other three be penalised just because they didn't stop him from going off. Why wasn't the players manager not there to stop it? Why penalise three people who tried to help the bloke from doing more damage.
The security at the hotel only said Connors was the troublemaker.
Check out a few players stuff pages, you will then learn how out of control things really are. :banghead
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While I totally agree Connors is a fool and he deserves all he gets and probably more please don't forget 3 other people were also suspended and for what, no reason, ...... I doubt it.
Lets not believe the papers only when it suits us please, only the club will know the exact reason the other 3 were given a week each, sure they have come out and said the others were not drinking and/or drunk but lets not be fooled here.
Polo IMHO is just as stupid as Connors, he finally had his go in the firsts and he blew it, not only on field but of, he is just as stupid as Connors.
Cuz, well I have really heard enough about this bloke, he was either in the wrong place at the wrong time or, well who knows what is going through his head at times.
McGuane, very surprised to see his name mentioned, but I don't have a clue as to what he is like around the club so I won't comment on him suffice to say he has been our rock in defence this year and now this.