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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on April 18, 2010, 03:12:02 AM
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If you think the Tigers or Dees are close to a flag, you're dreaming
* Kevin Sheedy
* Sunday Herald Sun
* April 18, 2010
Caption: Kevin Sheedy believes Trent Cotchin should be Richmond's next captain.
RICHMOND and Melbourne have been so poor we'll start talking about the Melbourne Tigers soon.
That's the sad reality of where these clubs are at. It would mean one less team in the competition and opens the door for a Tasmanian side to come in.
This situation is an indictment on recruiting, personnel and direction.
For both clubs.
The message now has to be - if you don't get it right in the next two to five years you will be under severe pressure.
Neither of them have excited fans and neither has a player who we widely tout as the next Ablett, Hird or Carey.
The word premiership cannot even be mentioned. They are kidding themselves if they are even thinking about it.
So let's look at Richmond first. I've heard so many noises about five- year plans that I'm starting to wonder where they begin and finish. They need to learn what winning means and they need to think about recruiting and development.
Invest in this department like never before because you just can't afford to keep getting it wrong.
Poor decisions have blighted the club but I don't believe Ben Cousins was one of those. He can still lead and help the younger players. And he is better than half the players on the list anyway.
Too many players get easy games and even though they're young it still needs to be earned.
That brings me to Melbourne. It is good to see Tom Scully and Jack Trengove stepping straight into the big time.
I spoke to Melbourne about coaching when I finished up at Essendon because I thought it was an opportunity to really grasp.
Dean Bailey won the job on merit and he's building a club. That's more important than winning a premiership.
It's exactly what Hawthorn did after averting a merger. Melbourne is still struggling to get back on its feet, but it has been in a better position than Richmond for quite some time. That's why the Tigers went after Craig Cameron who was recruiting manager at Melbourne.
The thing I can't understand is how both clubs have consistently picked up midfielders. In my mind you err on the side of height.
And I think Jack Watts will be a terrific player for the Demons, but I wouldn't have looked past Nic Naitanui. He is a guy who hits the ball and runs after it like it's on a string. A guy who brings people through the gates. A guy Melbourne will regret not taking.
Then there's Lance "Buddy" Franklin. The Tigers chose Richard Tambling and he's a fantastic person who perhaps has suffered from not being in a good side. But how you could overlook a prodigious talent like Franklin still bewilders me.
And now the landscape is changing so the access to early draft picks will dry up.
Melbourne has had the lion's share of early picks in the past three drafts and the jury is out.
These two teams are four yards apart in their home grounds but are so closely aligned in regard to their dire predicaments.
Both of these proud clubs should not be in the unenviable position they find themselves in today. It is sad how they haven't adapted since we moved from the VFL to the AFL.
Melbourne has at least got to a Grand Final in the past decade but poor decisions have cost the club a decade. Richmond has been set back even longer.
RICHMOND'S FAB FIVE
BRETT DELEDIO
Has won two best and fairests in a bad side. An obvious shining light.
TRENT COTCHIN
Needs to play more footy.
JACK RIEWOLDT
Enthusiastic forward but needs to find consistency.
NATHAN FOLEY
Forgotten midfielder who adds a touch of class.
KELVIN MOORE
A damn good, honest player. Hopefully Alex Rance stands up alongside him.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/if-you-think-the-tigers-or-dees-are-close-to-a-flag-youre-dreaming/story-e6frf9ox-1225855008213
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stuff Off Sheeds
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eff Off Sheeds
if u think GWS is close to a flag, you're dreaming: peggles
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I think its a disgrace that old players raise issues such as mergers, its just a disgrace.
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Would say the article is spot on.
Like it or not, I know for a fact that GWS recruiting team is scouring the country for the best talent.
They go to EVERY game that you would want them to be at.
All staff are paid on a monthly basis.
Gold Coast and GWS are closer to a flag than RFC.and MFC.
Its no secret that the AFL wants to"'change the landscape "" of the location of teams etc.
Reality is now its up to RFC and MFC to perform, time waits for nobody.
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Would say the article is spot on.
Like it or not, I know for a fact that GWS recruiting team is scouring the country for the best talent.
They go to EVERY game that you would want them to be at.
All staff are paid on a monthly basis.
Gold Coast and GWS are closer to a flag than RFC.and MFC.
Its no secret that the AFL wants to"'change the landscape "" of the location of teams etc.
Reality is now its up to RFC and MFC to perform, time waits for nobody.
no club with 40,000 members will merge and in a crisis, more would come on board. Sheedy has no right to be peddling this poo.
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but Kev you thought we had a chance of winning the flag at the beginning of 2009? :wallywink
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but Kev you thought we had a chance of winning the flag at the beginning of 2009? :wallywink
I agree, that was a weird statement ::)
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but Kev you thought we had a chance of winning the flag at the beginning of 2009? :wallywink
I agree, that was a weird statement ::)
From a weird man. Sheedy lost it a few years back and got the sack from Essendon because his performance in recruiting and developing young players had become poor. A poor dig from a jilted lover methinks.
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What a stuffwit, who actually suggests we are close to a flag???? ??? everyone knows we aren't so why bother Sheeds? :stupid
But just because we are a few years away doesn't mean we should have to merge with anyone and Melbourne, after two very competitive games in a row must be even more flabbergasted by the timing of this article.
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If you think K Sheedy isn't one bitter bloke you are dreaming - WPowell
Another poor effort by Sheeds who just seems to want to sink the boots into the RFC.
FACT = from a monetary sense the club looked after him very well last year in his "ambassador" role and this is the thanks we get because he thought he'd get the senior coaching good handed to him on a platter.. BITTER
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Wow....really embarrassing Sheeds.
Kevin should just worry about his soon to be "white elephant"
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you are all missing the point, forget about personal agendas, he actually is correct.
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If you think K Sheedy isn't one bitter bloke you are dreaming - WPowell
Another poor effort by Sheeds who just seems to want to sink the boots into the RFC.
FACT = from a monetary sense the club looked after him very well last year in his "ambassador" role and this is the thanks we get because he thought he'd get the senior coaching good handed to him on a platter.. BITTER
Not really,during his time there as an ambassador , he realised he couldnt work with the nuffers there, and the problems were too great
You all must think that the RFC is currently in a ""good place"'
ITS IN A MESS.
Members will start to vote with there feet.
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you are all missing the point, forget about personal agendas, he actually is correct.
Jack, we will not be forced into a merger! Simple! There is too much support for us even if we are just a bunch of internet nuffers supporting a club run by nuffers! The loyalty, i wish everyone on here had, is too strong!
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you are all missing the point, forget about personal agendas, he actually is correct.
yes oracle were merging with Melbourne because we only have about 40k members in a bottom out year, despite the medias best attempts to poo can us at every possible turn. Sheedy can bash sand up his clacker. LOL he couldn't work with the nuffers there? He wanted senior coach but he didn't want to do the interview, thought he didn't have to explain his plan, just a wave of the jedi hand and everyone should know... :lol :rollin :whistle
Best he gets working on GWS Titanic that should be their mascot, the titanic :lol
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I dont think merging is the answer either, although heaps of positives would come out of it, but we wont go there.
With Sheeds, no doubt the AFL "'tapped "'him on the shoulder in regards to having him earmarked for the role at GWS.
And why wouldnt you take it, endless amount of cash and support from the AFL.
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This article says more about the character of Sheeds than anything else: Froars No More
:gotigers
PS: No doubt after we win that premiership in three years time, he'll come out and say he was trying to rev the club up ::)
PSS: Remember folks, it's all about Sheeds and nothing else :banghead
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Bitter much :nopity. How's Kepler, Johns and Mott going Sheeds? :whistle
Very unprofessional too. Sheeds is now an opposition coach and should just worry about his own new club. Imagine the fracas if Malthouse or Knighter came out with this crap.
As for merging :chuck. Wow we'd lose our identity and history to gain a few Melbourne players. What happens in 10-15 years time when the Melbourne players gained retire and we're back to rebuidling via the draft as is the nature of the draft system. Just a moronic suggestion.
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Bitter much :nopity. How's Kepler, Johns and Mott going Sheeds? :whistle
Very unprofessional too. Sheeds is now an opposition coach and should just worry about his own new club. Imagine the fracas if Malthouse or Knighter came out with this crap.
As for merging :chuck. Wow we'd lose our identity and history to gain a few Melbourne players. What happens in 10-15 years time when the Melbourne players gained retire and we're back to rebuidling via the draft as is the nature of the draft system. Just a moronic suggestion.
In regard to Johns, i believe he is playing in NTFL!
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The only thing spot on in that article is Sheedy's use of hindsight to make himself out as some type of recruitment expert.
On ur way clown and head on to happy fields retirement home
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but Kev you thought we had a chance of winning the flag at the beginning of 2009? :wallywink
his made him self look like a bigger fool then i ever thought he was.
He has truely lost it and is very bitter about no1 offering him a job not even 2 bottom clubs like us and melb.
making comments like this is just going to make more people wanting GWS to fail.
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we are dreaming
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we are dreaming
have to start somewhere jacko
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we are dreaming
have to start somewhere jacko
When I watch Andrew Raines getting better and better each week ( 10 contested possesions last night ) and David Rodan held in high regard at Port,
Why cant we develop our young players ::)
Ramps, we are dreaming.
We wont play finals for at least 5 years, and that if we are still around.
Today was pathetic
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Today was pathetic
Be honest Jack - did you think that at half time?
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When I watch Andrew Raines getting better and better each week ( 10 contested possesions last night ) and David Rodan held in high regard at Port,
Why cant we develop our young players ::)
That's in the past, can't do anything about it now
Rodan is hardly a world beater, no great loss there
Raines may be showing better signs at Brisbane, however it just goes to show how its easier to look a better player in a strong side
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Today was pathetic
Be honest Jack - did you think that at half time?
Yes, as Melbourne are hopless, they played one Ruckman, have no forward line structure and they still kicked 20 goals. :banghead :banghead :banghead
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Yes, as Melbourne are hopless, they played one Ruckman, have no forward line structure and they still kicked 20 goals. :banghead :banghead :banghead
I said half time Jack. They had 8 goals to half time and in general play should have been behind. Did you think we were pathetic to half time?
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Today was pathetic
Be honest Jack - did you think that at half time?
Yes, as Melbourne are hopless, they played one Ruckman, have no forward line structure and they still kicked 20 goals. :banghead :banghead :banghead
4 of our best 6 backmen out didnt help
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Yes, as Melbourne are hopless, they played one Ruckman, have no forward line structure and they still kicked 20 goals. :banghead :banghead :banghead
I said half time Jack. They had 8 goals to half time and in general play should have been behind. Did you think we were pathetic to half time?
YES, we kicked 2 goals in the 2nd quarter, and they missed 3 gimmes.
Thought the scoreboard flattered us actually
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they were also gifted 3 goals by young Dea who seemed overawed the kid. The kid needs abit of time in the 2nds could be a good player going forward but not right now.
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they were also gifted 3 goals by young Dea who seemed overawed the kid. The kid needs abit of time in the 2nds could be a good player going forward but not right now.
I would love to know how many games of football this kid has played, had NO IDEA.
And didnt want to even try and kick the ball, WTF
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Just checked the stats, DEA= nil kicks, ::)
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they were also gifted 3 goals by young Dea who seemed overawed the kid. The kid needs abit of time in the 2nds could be a good player going forward but not right now.
I would love to know how many games of football this kid has played, had NO IDEA.
And didnt want to even try and kick the ball, WTF
He wasnt ready for AFL footy I think thats pretty clear.
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YES, we kicked 2 goals in the 2nd quarter, and they missed 3 gimmes.
Thought the scoreboard flattered us actually
As opposed to the gimmes we missed in the first half? Give it a break Jack, you can't apply your rules selectively like that. We had more of the play and were just as hard at the contest as them in the first half. We set up more scoring opportunities and should have been in front at half time. If you want flattering scoreboards have a look at the quarter time scores - there was no way in God's earth that it reflected the play in the first quarter.
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they were also gifted 3 goals by young Dea who seemed overawed the kid. The kid needs abit of time in the 2nds could be a good player going forward but not right now.
I would love to know how many games of football this kid has played, had NO IDEA.
And didnt want to even try and kick the ball, WTF
He wasnt ready for AFL footy I think thats pretty clear.
Would agree Ramps but no harm done in giving him a run and seeing what it is all about. Let him go back and learn in a more competitive environment for his current level, then have another crack.
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they were also gifted 3 goals by young Dea who seemed overawed the kid. The kid needs abit of time in the 2nds could be a good player going forward but not right now.
I would love to know how many games of football this kid has played, had NO IDEA.
And didnt want to even try and kick the ball, WTF
He wasnt ready for AFL footy I think thats pretty clear.
Would agree Ramps but no harm done in giving him a run and seeing what it is all about. Let him go back and learn in a more competitive environment for his current level, then have another crack.
I agree - the kid should spend this season at Coburg learning the caper. Maybe running him of a wing instead of the backline. Anyway Im sure he'll get better in time.
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"Play the kids." "Play the kids" "Play the kids"
But if if the kid makes mistakes in his first game of AFL crucify him.
FFS
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"Play the kids." "Play the kids" "Play the kids"
But if if the kid makes mistakes mistakes in his first game of AFL crucify him.
FFS
FFS
FFS
No one has crucified any kid, the kid wasnt ready to play today. I personally think he will be a good player in time.
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"Play the kids." "Play the kids" "Play the kids"
But if if the kid makes mistakes in his first game of AFL crucify him.
FFS
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NO.
Take him off the ground at point out his mistake and give him some confidence and put him back on a wing,
not leave him out there and have HIM CRUCIFIED in front on 42,000 people. If thats good coaching, your on drugs.
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mistakes like that you don't need to point out, he'll know. leave him on and give him a chance to amend.
Drag him straight away and you will shatter his confidence.
think back to you your own first games of senior footy. then consider how many times you have read about first gamers saying how fast they find the tempo of the game. poo, it will take most players a number of games , at least to adjust. some will, some wont straight away, but give them a break.
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they were also gifted 3 goals by young Dea who seemed overawed the kid. The kid needs abit of time in the 2nds could be a good player going forward but not right now.
I would love to know how many games of football this kid has played, had NO IDEA.
And didnt want to even try and kick the ball, WTF
He wasnt ready for AFL footy I think thats pretty clear.
I'd rather leave him in for another couple of games, tell him he won't be dropped if he shows the right work rate.
This way you don't run the risk of damaging his confidence and he can relax, not stressing about making a mistake that may cost him his spot. People call for kids to be played then crucify him for making errors, they'll stop making errors by playing more games and adjusting to the pace of the game.
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mistakes like that you don't need to point out, he'll know. leave him on and give him a chance to amend.
Drag him straight away and you will shatter his confidence.
think back to you your own first games of senior footy. then consider how many times you have read about first gamers saying how fast they find the tempo of the game. poo, it will take most players a number of games , at least to adjust. some will, some wont straight away, but give them a break.
WRONG
The kid wouldnt know, what are coaches for ???
He refused to kick for the entire game ::)
Shatter confidence , NO, didnt have any to start with,, otherwise he would of kicked it , instead of handballing backwards, oh yeah, that real confidence to handball backwards
At least Nason has the balls to take guys on and try and kick the ball forward, he is gaining confidence
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Are you seriously telling us that Dea did not know he had stuffed up, even when it directly resulted in a goal?
The worst thing you could do to a kid in those circumstances is drag him. Think about what you said about Nason. "He is gaining confidence" yet look at some of the errors he made in his first few games. Just doesnt get punished like a backman does.
Give him a few games, and if hes not ready back to the twos... no argument, but give him more than just his first game at elite level before you make the call.
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At least Nason has the balls to take guys on and try and kick the ball forward, he is gaining confidence
And I presume that would be all Nason's doing, nothing at all to do with the coaches?
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Are you seriously telling us that Dea did not know he had stuffed up, even when it directly resulted in a goal?
The worst thing you could do to a kid in those circumstances is drag him. Think about what you said about Nason. "He is gaining confidence" yet look at some of the errors he made in his first few games. Just doesnt get punished like a backman does.
Give him a few games, and if hes not ready back to the twos... no argument, but give him more than just his first game at elite level before you make the call.
Mate, footy is a brutal game.
Tell me something then, why does Hardwick coach from the bench for then ?/
Also Paul Roos continually gets players off the ground for a chat, and puts them straight back on. THATS COACHING
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At least Nason has the balls to take guys on and try and kick the ball forward, he is gaining confidence
And I presume that would be all Nason's doing, nothing at all to do with the coaches?
At least he is pointed in the right direction
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Hardwick is coaching from the bench so he can be in direct contact with the players. Paul Roos has the luxury of having many experienced players at the club. If Dea was at sydney he would probably do a long aprentiship in the seconds.
Circumstance at Richmond are different. Dea got a game, and he made some bad errors, but the sort of basic errors that you dont need someone to point out to you. He would have known he mucked up. wouldn't have needed to be told, they were pretty basic mistakes.
Dragging him would have been a real kick in the guts that he didn't need.
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Sheedy is clinically insane.
There is no ifs or buts about it.
Amazingly good guy but he's plainly, frighteningly insane. It's scary. I've lived next door to him for 12 years.
Should not be in the media and should NOT be coaching an AFL side for his own and familys sake.
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"Play the kids." "Play the kids" "Play the kids"
But if if the kid makes mistakes in his first game of AFL crucify him.
FFS
FFS
FFS
NO.
Take him off the ground at point out his mistake and give him some confidence and put him back on a wing,
not leave him out there and have HIM CRUCIFIED in front on 42,000 people. If thats good coaching, your on drugs.
Ah no. The kid is backman. He plays in the backline.
You take him off, give him confidence and put him back in the position he got drafted for and the posistion he got into the 1sts for. Put him on the wing on Aaron Davey. Thats a great idea.
Back the kid and tell him to go out there and keep taking the game on.
Don't do a Wallace and try him in 47 different roles and positions in 1 qtr of football..
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