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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Ramps on April 20, 2010, 02:15:18 PM
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In order who are the next 10 to get the arse from the RFC?
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Please place your selections in order!
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Like I said - I would go some overpaid 'big names' and free up some cash to go shopping - let me think about it.
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Polak
Cousins
King
Mcmahon
Gilligan
White
Tuck
Hislop
Thomson
Simmons
In no particular order
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1- Edwards......... :pray
2- McMahon
3- King
4- Gilligan
5- Tuck
6- Simmonds
7- Graham
8- Thompson
9- Polak
10- White
Cousins will retire!!
The very lucky list: Polo, Hislop, Nahas, Gourdis, Connors
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1- McMahon (Delist)
2- King (Delist)
3- Simmonds (Delist)
4- Polak (Delist)
5- Tuck (Delist)
6- Graham (Delist)
7- Nahas (Delist)
8- Connors (who knows)
9- Cousins (retire)
10- Jackson (trade)
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Why only 10 Ramps ?
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Why only 10 Ramps ?
Coz we dont have all day to be putting up lists of 20 or 25 ;D
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In order who are the next 10 to get the behind from the RFC?
1- McMahon
2- Simmonds
3- Graham
4- Cousins
5- White
6- Polak
7- Tuck
8- King
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I actually don't think they'll cut as hard as last year, they might try and trade a Tambling or Jackson as well.
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1/ March
2/ O'Shannassy
3/ Gary Cameron.
4/ Lord
5/ Matthies
6/ Dalton
7/ Haines
8/ Free
9/ Chadwick.
Why ? well someone has to be responsible for the mess we are in.
And most listed have been there for long enough !
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Cousins
Hislop
King
McMahon
Polak
Simmonds
Thomson
Tuck
White
Gilligan
Lucky:
Connors
Graham
Nahas
Jackson
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In order who are the next 10 to get the behind from the RFC?
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Please place your selections in order!
1- McMahon, Jordan
2- Polak, Graham (R)
3- Simmonds, Troy
4- King, Jake
5- Thomson, Adam
6- White, Matthew
7- Hislop, Tom
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Those are my 7.
Not sure what good it would do getting rid of Cousins, Tuck, Gilligan, Graham etc. at this stage
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Given the ongoing tail chasing debate about Tucky, I came up this list based on who I believe have less to offer than tuck. ;D :whistle (I was curious to see if i would come up with ten or not)
- mcmahon
- king
- white
- Graham
- nahas
- thompson
- hislop
- edwards
- rance
- jackson
left off simmonds as he will retire, not be given the big A
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Polak
Cousins
King
Mcmahon
Gilligan
White
Tuck
Hislop
Thomson
Simmons
In no particular order
might be spot on with that, I hope gilligan can be sorted out but losing faith and Im hoping Hislop may improve but that is prob only a 50/50 chance...Ive given up on thomo, no questions on the others
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In order who are the next 10 to get the behind from the RFC?
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Please place your selections in order!
1- McMahon, Jordan
2- Polak, Graham (R)
3- Simmonds, Troy
4- King, Jake
5- Thomson, Adam
6- White, Matthew
7- Hislop, Tom
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Those are my 7.
Not sure what good it would do getting rid of Cousins, Tuck, Gilligan, Graham etc. at this stage
Graham, please ::)
Gillgan, , is he still at punt road ???
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gilligan??? is he still alive,or still maroned on a desert isle
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1/ March
2/ O'Shannassy
3/ Gary Cameron.
4/ Lord
5/ Matthies
6/ Dalton
7/ Haines
8/ Free
9/ Chadwick.
Why ? well someone has to be responsible for the mess we are in.
And most listed have been there for long enough !
well that would all depend on who the 10 replacements are...the problem with lightweights taking pot shots at the board generally gives little credence to the importance of creating a club through resource and structure that will allow it to compete with the current pacesetters. the CC regime set us back a mile...alot further back than many would believe ....It's not lost on me that this board are the first in 30 years that will take our faciltites into the 21st century. Take it from me March is a good operator...would love to hear who you would nominate as an alternative :lol
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1/ March
2/ O'Shannassy
3/ Gary Cameron.
4/ Lord
5/ Matthies
6/ Dalton
7/ Haines
8/ Free
9/ Chadwick.
Why ? well someone has to be responsible for the mess we are in.
And most listed have been there for long enough !
Chadwick's been there since December 2009 - gee that's a long time ::) ;D
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gilligan??? is he still alive,or still maroned on a desert isle
Alroy went home after a death in his family and is still to return, it would seem unlikely that he will come back.
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1/ March
2/ O'Shannassy
3/ Gary Cameron.
4/ Lord
5/ Matthies
6/ Dalton
7/ Haines
8/ Free
9/ Chadwick.
Why ? well someone has to be responsible for the mess we are in.
And most listed have been there for long enough !
well that would all depend on who the 10 replacements are...the problem with lightweights taking pot shots at the board generally gives little credence to the importance of creating a club through resource and structure that will allow it to compete with the current pacesetters. the CC regime set us back a mile...alot further back than many would believe ....It's not lost on me that this board are the first in 30 years that will take our faciltites into the 21st century. Take it from me March is a good operator...would love to hear who you would nominate as an alternative :lol
Himself! :lol :rollin :lol
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ok sorry to hear that TFL..wasnt aware there was a death in the guys family..i apologise for my lack of tact
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1/ March
2/ O'Shannassy
3/ Gary Cameron.
4/ Lord
5/ Matthies
6/ Dalton
7/ Haines
8/ Free
9/ Chadwick.
Why ? well someone has to be responsible for the mess we are in.
And most listed have been there for long enough !
Chadwick's been there since December 2009 - gee that's a long time ::) ;D
Well thats too long :lol :lol :lol
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1/ March
2/ O'Shannassy
3/ Gary Cameron.
4/ Lord
5/ Matthies
6/ Dalton
7/ Haines
8/ Free
9/ Chadwick.
Why ? well someone has to be responsible for the mess we are in.
And most listed have been there for long enough !
well that would all depend on who the 10 replacements are...the problem with lightweights taking pot shots at the board generally gives little credence to the importance of creating a club through resource and structure that will allow it to compete with the current pacesetters. the CC regime set us back a mile...alot further back than many would believe ....It's not lost on me that this board are the first in 30 years that will take our faciltites into the 21st century. Take it from me March is a good operator...would love to hear who you would nominate as an alternative :lol
Me, it shouldnt be too hard. :lol
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1 - Jordan McMahon - Delisted
2 - Graham Polak (Rookie List) - Delisted
3 - Thomas Hislop - Delisted
4 - Shane Tuck - Delisted
5 - Shane Edwards - Delisted
6 - Jacob King - Delisted
7 - Adam Thomas - Delisted
8 - Alroy Gilligan (Rookie List) - Delisted
9 - Alex Rance - Traded
10 - Angus Graham - Traded
+ Ben Cousins, Troy Simmonds - Forced Retirements!
:)
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I am worried about Gus, we have just about all said he will go but I have a bad feeling that a Collingwood, Geelong or Bulldogs team could pick him up for nothing and make into something.
Please someone reassure me this will not happen. :o
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There is a 0% chance that Edwards will be delisted
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gilligan??? is he still alive,or still maroned on a desert isle
Alroy went home after a death in his family and is still to return, it would seem unlikely that he will come back.
I heard the Club still thinks he'll come back.
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There is a 0% chance that Edwards will be delisted
Traded then??? He is obviously contracted next year as well then.
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Whitey I'm told knows he'll be lucky to survive. Spoke about needing to look for a job at the end of the year. Apparently Craig Cameron said they could have got rid of another 10 if we could have.
1- McMahon
2- Polak
3- King
4- Thomson
5- White
6- Hislop
7- Tuck
8- Gourdis
9 - Graham (pick up an experienced ruckman in his place?)
Simmo (retired)
Cousins (retired)
Polo, Edwards, McGuane, Rance, Nahas potential trade bait? Even Jacko?
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Whitey I'm told knows he'll be lucky to survive. Spoke about needing to look for a job at the end of the year. Apparently Craig Cameron said they could have got rid of another 10 if we could have.
1- McMahon
2- Polak
3- King
4- Thomson
5- White
6- Hislop
7- Tuck
8- Gourdis
9 - Graham (pick up an experienced ruckman in his place?)
Simmo (retired)
Cousins (retired)
Polo, Edwards, McGuane, Rance, Nahas potential trade bait? Even Jacko?
It's a shame that none of us have really had a problem selecting the 10 as well as possible trades, real shame. :(
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I am worried about Gus, we have just about all said he will go but I have a bad feeling that a Collingwood, Geelong or Bulldogs team could pick him up for nothing and make into something.
Please someone reassure me this will not happen. :o
It wont happen.
As he wouldnt get a kick in suburban football.
Amazing that he is on an AFL list. :banghead
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There is a 0% chance that Edwards will be delisted
Traded then??? He is obviously contracted next year as well then.
No idea of his contract status, I just think you (and other critics) have a perspective on him that the coaching panel doesn't share
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I am worried about Gus, we have just about all said he will go but I have a bad feeling that a Collingwood, Geelong or Bulldogs team could pick him up for nothing and make into something.
Collingwood just traded for one of the best big men in the league and have turned him into a spud! Collingwood won't make anything out of Graham.
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I am worried about Gus, we have just about all said he will go but I have a bad feeling that a Collingwood, Geelong or Bulldogs team could pick him up for nothing and make into something.
Collingwood just traded for one of the best big men in the league and have turned him into a spud! Collingwood won't make anything out of Graham.
Don't forget their trade from a couple of years ago to get "young ruck star, Cameron Wood" as I heard Dwaaaaaayne Russell describe him many a time with an obvious chub. Where is he?? ;D :whistle
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1- McMahon (delist)
2- Hislop (delist)
3- Thomson (delist)
4- King (delist)
5- White (delist)
6- Polak (delist)
7- Graham (delist)
8- Tuck (delist)
9- Simmonds (retired)
10- Cousins (retired)
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1- Tambling (trade) :pray :pray :pray :pray
2- Hislop (delist)
3- Thomson (delist)
4- Newman ( trade)
5- White (delist)
6- Polak (delist)
7- Graham (delist)
8- McMahon (delist, retired)
9- Simmonds (retired)
10- Cousins (retired)
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In order who are the next 10 to get the behind from the RFC?
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Please place your selections in order!
1- McMahon, Jordan
2- Polak, Graham (R)
3- Simmonds, Troy
4- King, Jake
5- Thomson, Adam
6- White, Matthew
7- Hislop, Tom
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Those are my 7.
Not sure what good it would do getting rid of Cousins, Tuck, Gilligan, Graham etc. at this stage
Graham, please ::)
Gillgan, , is he still at punt road ???
You need some sort of ruckman on the list. Even if they are rubbish.
You would be happy going into 2011 with Vickery & Browne as our only rucking options? :o
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I am worried about Gus, we have just about all said he will go but I have a bad feeling that a Collingwood, Geelong or Bulldogs team could pick him up for nothing and make into something.
Collingwood just traded for one of the best big men in the league and have turned him into a spud! Collingwood won't make anything out of Graham.
Don't forget their trade from a couple of years ago to get "young ruck star, Cameron Wood" as I heard Dwaaaaaayne Russell describe him many a time with an obvious chub. Where is he?? ;D :whistle
Wood is not a bad player.
Richmond should have drafted him ahead of either Meyer, Polo or Pattison.
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1/ March
2/ O'Shannassy
3/ Gary Cameron.
4/ Lord
5/ Matthies
6/ Dalton
7/ Haines
8/ Free
9/ Chadwick.
Why ? well someone has to be responsible for the mess we are in.
And most listed have been there for long enough !
well that would all depend on who the 10 replacements are...the problem with lightweights taking pot shots at the board generally gives little credence to the importance of creating a club through resource and structure that will allow it to compete with the current pacesetters. the CC regime set us back a mile...alot further back than many would believe ....It's not lost on me that this board are the first in 30 years that will take our faciltites into the 21st century. Take it from me March is a good operator...would love to hear who you would nominate as an alternative :lol
Me, it shouldnt be too hard. :lol
well that's fine Jack, when the opportunity presents put your cred on the table and we can evaluate it on face value :shh
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1-mcmahon
2-simmonds
3-hislop
4-king
5-polak
6-tuck
7-white
8-cousins(maybe)
Not willing to name any more players. I think players such as Edwards, Polo, Connors will make it. While Thomson, Nahas, Jackson, Moore, Farmer and Graham are required players. We need depth players
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Me, it shouldnt be too hard. :lol
well that's fine Jack, when the opportunity presents put your cred on the table and we can evaluate it on face value :shh
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:lol
I suspect there would be a groundswell of 'nudges', 'winks' and 'head banging on wall' icons flying around on here if that ever happened! :lol
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Me, it shouldnt be too hard. :lol
well that's fine Jack, when the opportunity presents put your cred on the table and we can evaluate it on face value :shh
:lol
I suspect there would be a groundswell of 'nudges', 'winks' and 'head banging on wall' icons flying around on here if that ever happened! :lol
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Yeah, and not from me, ;) :birthday :cheers :santa
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well it's a democracy mate, well kind of...If there's someone better Im p[repared to listen but I dont mind what March has done since the CC regime almost took us to the brink
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1-mcmahon
2-simmonds
3-hislop
4-king
5-polak
6-tuck
7-white
8-cousins(maybe)
Not willing to name any more players. I think players such as Edwards, Polo, Connors will make it. While Thomson, Nahas, Jackson, Moore, Farmer and Graham are required players. We need depth players
I think if you are true to yourself you will realise how much work we have to go if the 9 you mentioned are required players :banghead
We'll be lucky if 2-3 of them go on to play over 100 more games with us. Not kidding, we need another 13-14 players cleaned out wheher they do it in one fell swoop or over 2 years we'll see but we have a long way to go. Will love to see what you have to say next year, bc according to you next year we will have our almost perfect list
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1. McMahon
2. Thomson
3. Simmonds
4. Cousins
5. King
6. Graham
7.Polak (R)
8. Hislop
9.White
10.Gilligan (R)
Maybe: Nahas Tuck
They'll persist with: Gourdis Rance Farmer Connors Browne
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1 - McMahon
2 - Simmonds
3 - Hislop
4 - White
5 - Tuck
6 - Polak
7 - Cousins
8 - King (who I want to play for Coburg, maybe even Coburg coach)
9 - Thomson
10 - Graham, unless we can't find a mature ruckman.
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1/ March
2/ O'Shannassy
3/ Gary Cameron.
4/ Lord
5/ Matthies
6/ Dalton
7/ Haines
8/ Free
9/ Chadwick.
Why ? well someone has to be responsible for the mess we are in.
And most listed have been there for long enough !
:thumbsup agreed get rid of the losers who dont know poo from clay
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well it's a democracy mate, well kind of...If there's someone better Im p[repared to listen but I dont mind what March has done since the CC regime almost took us to the brink
Yeah, and we are flying at the moment. ::)
March is a "'lightweight"', get over it !
He was terrible last year in regards to the Wallace fiasco. :banghead
Gee, a few on here have got bad memories.
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well it's a democracy mate, well kind of...If there's someone better Im p[repared to listen but I dont mind what March has done since the CC regime almost took us to the brink
Yeah, and we are flying at the moment. ::)
March is a "'lightweight"', get over it !
He was terrible last year in regards to the Wallace fiasco. :banghead
Gee, a few on here have got bad memories.
the only thing March did wrong with TW was he didn't sack the useless , good for nothing $%#@$ sooner, at the very least he was one of the few that failed to be sucked into the vortex of hysteria that saw us win 8 from 11 and then go on and re-sign TW..instead he said it was an ok year...he handl;ed it with aplomb...take it from me partner, Ive met the guy and witnessed what has been achieved beyond the scoreboard in the last couple of years and it is more than the previous 28....Having beein the corporate arena for the last decade or so, I know a lightweight when I see one :-\
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well it's a democracy mate, well kind of...If there's someone better Im p[repared to listen but I dont mind what March has done since the CC regime almost took us to the brink
Yeah, and we are flying at the moment. ::)
March is a "'lightweight"', get over it !
He was terrible last year in regards to the Wallace fiasco. :banghead
Gee, a few on here have got bad memories.
I remember you banging on about how badly he handled the situation, I also remember you didn't have many people agreeing with you
Perhaps you have a skewed perception of how it played out
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well it's a democracy mate, well kind of...If there's someone better Im p[repared to listen but I dont mind what March has done since the CC regime almost took us to the brink
Yeah, and we are flying at the moment. ::)
March is a "'lightweight"', get over it !
He was terrible last year in regards to the Wallace fiasco. :banghead
Gee, a few on here have got bad memories.
the only thing March did wrong with TW was he didn't sack the useless , good for nothing $%#@$ sooner, at the very least he was one of the few that failed to be sucked into the vortex of hysteria that saw us win 8 from 11 and then go on and re-sign TW..instead he said it was an ok year...he handl;ed it with aplomb...take it from me partner, Ive met the guy and witnessed what has been achieved beyond the scoreboard in the last couple of years and it is more than the previous 28....Having beein the corporate arena for the last decade or so, I know a lightweight when I see one :-\
2004 Olympics ring a bell ;)
If you that corporate, you would know where I am coming from
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well it's a democracy mate, well kind of...If there's someone better Im p[repared to listen but I dont mind what March has done since the CC regime almost took us to the brink
Yeah, and we are flying at the moment. ::)
March is a "'lightweight"', get over it !
He was terrible last year in regards to the Wallace fiasco. :banghead
Gee, a few on here have got bad memories.
I remember you banging on about how badly he handled the situation, I also remember you didn't have many people agreeing with you
Perhaps you have a skewed perception of how it played out
hahahaha, you people have NO IDEA.
When the president of a football club is telling the coach what to do at half time in a game, (irrelevant of who the coach is)
We have a huge problem then. ;)
Fact not fiction
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well it's a democracy mate, well kind of...If there's someone better Im p[repared to listen but I dont mind what March has done since the CC regime almost took us to the brink
Yeah, and we are flying at the moment. ::)
March is a "'lightweight"', get over it !
He was terrible last year in regards to the Wallace fiasco. :banghead
Gee, a few on here have got bad memories.
the only thing March did wrong with TW was he didn't sack the useless , good for nothing $%#@$ sooner, at the very least he was one of the few that failed to be sucked into the vortex of hysteria that saw us win 8 from 11 and then go on and re-sign TW..instead he said it was an ok year...he handl;ed it with aplomb...take it from me partner, Ive met the guy and witnessed what has been achieved beyond the scoreboard in the last couple of years and it is more than the previous 28....Having beein the corporate arena for the last decade or so, I know a lightweight when I see one :-\
Will we mention March for not sitting in with Joel Bowdens Retiring Press Conference
Thats shows the ability of a very poor President of a football club for not honoring a loyal servant, a dual Best & Fairest, All Australian + Australian rep.
His also a very poor business man & that why we have had so many poor decisions down the club. He be the worst President l ever seen at the club
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1-mcmahon
2-simmonds
3-hislop
4-king
5-polak
6-tuck
7-white
8-cousins(maybe)
Not willing to name any more players. I think players such as Edwards, Polo, Connors will make it. While Thomson, Nahas, Jackson, Moore, Farmer and Graham are required players. We need depth players
I think if you are true to yourself you will realise how much work we have to go if the 9 you mentioned are required players :banghead
We'll be lucky if 2-3 of them go on to play over 100 more games with us. Not kidding, we need another 13-14 players cleaned out wheher they do it in one fell swoop or over 2 years we'll see but we have a long way to go. Will love to see what you have to say next year, bc according to you next year we will have our almost perfect list
At least 5 of those 9 will be long term players. We only need to delist 6 players and retire a couple. After that our list will have heaps of talent and potential and any remaining players to be delisted will barely even be noticed because we'll only delist a small batch every year from 2011 onwards. You make it sound like we have to get rid of 15 in one hit again but we will only delist 6 or 7 this time. Our list will be looking great. Even Geelong have to delist 2 or 3 players per year and we'll be in that situation after this year
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1/ March
2/ O'Shannassy
3/ Gary Cameron.
4/ Lord
5/ Matthies
6/ Dalton
7/ Haines
8/ Free
9/ Chadwick.
Why ? well someone has to be responsible for the mess we are in.
And most listed have been there for long enough !
that should apply to some of the posters around here TM :lol
:thumbsup agreed get rid of the losers who dont know poo from clay
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1/ March
2/ O'Shannassy
3/ Gary Cameron.
4/ Lord
5/ Matthies
6/ Dalton
7/ Haines
8/ Free
9/ Chadwick.
Why ? well someone has to be responsible for the mess we are in.
And most listed have been there for long enough !
that should apply to some of the posters around here TM :lol
:thumbsup agreed get rid of the losers who dont know poo from clay
Sorry to see your leaving then Bo :thumbsup :clapping ;) :lol
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1- McMahon (delist)
2- Hislop (delist)
3- Thomson (delist)
4- King (delist)
5- White (delist)
6- Polak (delist)
7- Graham (delist)
8- Tuck (delist)
9- Simmonds (retired)
10- Cousins (retired)
What does everyone think of Lids as the backline quarterback, in the Goddard/Hodge role?
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What does everyone think of Lids as the backline quarterback, in the Goddard/Hodge role?
He's doing it well. I noticed Cornes tried to tag him at the start but it didn't work.
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from Mr Magic list
Tuck (delist)
White (delist)
Cousins (retired)
all have a good chance at being Richmond players in 2011
Graham will be kept.
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1- McMahon (delist)
2- Hislop (delist)
3- Thomson (delist)
4- King (delist)
5- White (delist)
6- Polak (delist)
7- Graham (delist)
8- Tuck (delist)
9- Simmonds (retired)
10- Cousins (retired)
agree with this. you could easily add 7.those 7 are likely the ones to be offered up for trade, i reckon 10 will be abouit it for this yr.
i think depending on what they trade for graham will be kept, hes now doing simmonds job short term as it is.
cousins may be allowed to go around again and tuck based on performance may get a reprieve. all are neither here nor there if they dont go this yr it will be the following.some one else will go this yr take your pick theres plenty to cho ose from and they will be gone soon enough.
it could be 10 this yr followed by 8 or 10 the yr after.
players i would be looking to trade mcguane edwards morton jackson rance tambling polo. all may or may not have some value.
i think hardwick has done most things right its easy to see where hes coming from. but imo yr 1 is the easy bit. we are coming off a spoon i think most thinking people would have cut deep and achieved some sort of improvement
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at seasons end we will see if hardwick can take hard decisions and do whats needed or we will see if he will be like wallace.
we can all remember 04 surely. a wooden spoon a decent clean out and then silly buggers and no tough decisions made by anyone.
if we operate anything like hawthorn when hardwick was there, and hes using pelchens system of grading as a model there will be little doubt another 8 to 12 will go.
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from Mr Magic list
Tuck (delist)
White (delist)
Cousins (retired)
all have a good chance at being Richmond players in 2011
Too early to call on a few.
McMahon
Simmonds
Gone
Polak, Hislop, Thompson, King all need miracles but may get chances.
Tuck, Cousins I think will scrap in but age may hurt them. Hope they can keep a spot a warrant it with experience.
White has probably done enough to stay another year, ahead of the 6 above that would be delisted before him.
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Graham will stay 100%
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1- McMahon (delist)
2- Hislop (delist)
3- Thomson (delist)
4- King (delist)
5- White (delist)
6- Polak (delist)
7- Graham (delist)
8- Tuck (delist)
9- Simmonds (retired)
10- Cousins (retired)
agree with this. you could easily add 7.those 7 are likely the ones to be offered up for trade, i reckon 10 will be abouit it for this yr.
i think depending on what they trade for graham will be kept, hes now doing simmonds job short term as it is.
cousins may be allowed to go around again and tuck based on performance may get a reprieve. all are neither here nor there if they dont go this yr it will be the following.some one else will go this yr take your pick theres plenty to cho ose from and they will be gone soon enough.
it could be 10 this yr followed by 8 or 10 the yr after.
players i would be looking to trade mcguane edwards morton jackson rance tambling polo. all may or may not have some value.
i think hardwick has done most things right its easy to see where hes coming from. but imo yr 1 is the easy bit. we are coming off a spoon i think most thinking people would have cut deep and achieved some sort of improvement
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at seasons end we will see if hardwick can take hard decisions and do whats needed or we will see if he will be like wallace.
we can all remember 04 surely. a wooden spoon a decent clean out and then silly buggers and no tough decisions made by anyone.
if we operate anything like hawthorn when hardwick was there, and hes using pelchens system of grading as a model there will be little doubt another 8 to 12 will go.
Got a feeling you may be disappointed come the years end claw.
Cant see Tuck being delisted.
If the decision was made now I doubt white would go, but that could change in time.
Very unlikely graham will be traded. I couldn't see anyone giving us a better ruckman for him, so unless another player trade can bring in an upgrade he will most probably stay.
King could be the smokey to get a reprieve (a decision to drive every one beresk) The last few weeks he has been sound without the clangers he can produce. If he keeps that up you never know, but a lot can happen before the years end.
Hardwick has said to judge him on what he does with the established players rather than the recruits.
In a short time we have seen improvements in tuck, edwards, white, graham, and even king, to a lesser extent. Newman is also starting to stand up as captain. Connors looks like he has responded to his kick in the bum - a bloke that if delisted at the end of the last year barely anyone would have noticed him gone.
Yeah they still have a way to go but the improvements have been there and if that continues a lot of people are gong to find players they have written off due to performances under Wallace still being on the list next year.
Just a question claw.
Are there any circumstances where Hardwick could do something different to what you want, where you will not criticise him? Is it possible that his experience in AFL football and intimate knowledge of the players could mean that perhaps sometimes, just on the odd occasion, he knows a little more than yourself, or any of us, for that matter?
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Too early to call on a few.
McMahon
Simmonds
Gone
Polak, Hislop, Thompson, King all need miracles but may get chances.
Tuck, Cousins I think will scrap in but age may hurt them. Hope they can keep a spot a warrant it with experience.
White has probably done enough to stay another year, ahead of the 6 above that would be delisted before him.
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Graham will stay 100%
I agree with this Pope.
McMahon and Simmonds are 100% gone.
The one I think that also will be gone is Morton, we'll trade him and a top side will grab him. You can expect 40-50 goals from him, but don't expect any defensive work.
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Updated:
1- McMahon (delist)
2- Hislop (delist)
3- Thomson (delist)
4- King (delist)
5- Polo (delist/trade)
6- Polak (delist)
7- Simmonds (retired)
Collins and White still on shaky ground.
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Updated:
1- McMahon (delist)
2- Hislop (delist)
3- Thomson (delist)
4- King (delist)
5- Polo (delist/trade)
6- Polak (delist)
7- Simmonds (retired)
Collins and White still on shaky ground.
thats not enough imho
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Well for all we know Gilligan might be gone. Gourdis should cement his spot in the team (hopefully) after being elevated. I'd like to keep Roberts on the rookie list so that we can see what he can do with a full pre-season under his belt.
Who else would you suggest?
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I don't think we'll get another clean out like we did last year, especially with the compromised drafts coming up
Probably another 6-7 at the end of this year, with another 6-7 the year after. That is still 26-28 players over a 3 year period, which is 3/4 of the list.
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IF WE ARE SERIOUS we need to trade players with currency to get good draft picks
so add foley and jackson to that list
maybe we can offload rance to the eagles or doggies also
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In his interview On The Couch, Dimma said we need outside mids. I assume he was talking about using pick 4 on an outside mid and probably one or two others.
Jordie, Jake & Sloppy must be on the cusp. We probably need a backup inside mid, dunno if Thommo can fill that role.
I think we also need to swap out another two smalls for talls on the list to balance things up, so two out of Nahas, Cuz, Deano, Titch and Collo would have to go.
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In his interview On The Couch, Dimma said we need outside mids. I assume he was talking about using pick 4 on an outside mid and probably one or two others.
Jordie, Jake & Sloppy must be on the cusp. We probably need a backup inside mid, dunno if Thommo can fill that role.
I think we also need to swap out another two smalls for talls on the list to balance things up, so two out of Nahas, Cuz, Deano, Titch and Collo would have to go.
no way would i get rid of Nahas ...plus why do we have to get rid of ten? and i highly Doubt we will get rid of ten man .. dimma wants to win games next year not start over again.
we need experience for our young side we have got the potential to be very good and droping ten guys who could still be dimonds in the rough (White,Connors) :gotigers
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Where does this idea of trading away "players with currency" come from?
If you continually trade players that are any good you will go no where. It's not like we have a surplus of any one type of player that is any good.
Being a bottom of the ladder side we wont have too many players, if any, that the club doesnt rate, yet someone else does and thus are willing to give us something decent for them.
??? ???
Does this attitude come about because we are so used to seeing players show a bit of promise and not come on as we would hope?
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Ah yes, Rance. Maybe a straight swap for Mitch Brown? They both get to go back to their home state.
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Where does this idea of trading away "players with currency" come from?
If you continually trade players that are any good you will go no where. It's not like we have a surplus of any one type of player that is any good.
Exactly al.
For every Judd, Murphy and Gibbs, you need a Simpson, Carrazzo and Scotland.
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Refrain from using Carlton in the future, wayne >:(
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Refrain from using Carlton in the future, wayne >:(
Sorry mate :lol
You need 7-8 players to rotate through the midfield, and i've never heard of an excellent 8 or super 7, but a fab 4. 4 stars and 3-4 more very capable players.
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I don't think we'll get another clean out like we did last year, especially with the compromised drafts coming up
Probably another 6-7 at the end of this year, with another 6-7 the year after. That is still 26-28 players over a 3 year period, which is 3/4 of the list.
I agree Infamy. Given the improvement in many of the players and the next two drafts being serverly compromised, I think 6 or 7 would be realistic and yet still a good cleanout of the next two years. We are running out of older and/or underperforming players with the only definite selection for mine being at this point McMahon, Simmonds, Polak, Cousins, King and Thomson with the rest of year deciding the fate of Polo, Hislop and White from the list.
Stripes
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Too early to call on a few.
McMahon
Simmonds
Gone
Polak, Hislop, Thompson, King all need miracles but may get chances.
Tuck, Cousins I think will scrap in but age may hurt them. Hope they can keep a spot a warrant it with experience.
White has probably done enough to stay another year, ahead of the 6 above that would be delisted before him.
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Graham will stay 100%
I agree with this Pope.
McMahon and Simmonds are 100% gone.
The one I think that also will be gone is Morton, we'll trade him and a top side will grab him. You can expect 40-50 goals from him, but don't expect any defensive work.
I thought this to be the case too.
I think most players are tradeable for the right trade. Morton is certainly one.
Morton is in our best 22 and we'd want something equivalent for him.
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Simmonds retired
Thomson and Hislop delisted
King, White, Rance and Polak in danger of being delisted.
Hope they keep Tuck and Cousins.
Jury still out on Farmer
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Simmonds retired
Thomson and Hislop delisted
King, White, Rance and Polak in danger of being delisted.
Hope they keep Tuck and Cousins.
Jury still out on Farmer
Farmer is contracted for next year so that decision is pretty easy
Seems to be one of Dimma's favourites
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Here's the contract list to the best of our knowledge....
Contracts List:
Coming out of contract: Connors, Cousins, Edwards, King, Graham, Hislop, McMahon, Moore, Polo, Post, Riewoldt, Simmonds, Tambling, Thomson, Tuck, Vickery*, White
2011: Astbury, Browne, Collins, Dea, Farmer, Grimes, Griffiths, Jackson, Martin, Morton, Nahas, Nason, Newman, Rance, Taylor, Thursfield, Webberley
2012: Deledio, Foley, McGuane
2013: Cotchin
Rookies:
David Gourdis (2nd year rookie)
Alroy Gilligan (2nd year rookie)
Jamie O'Reilly (international rookie - signed until end of 2011)
Robert Hicks (1st year rookie)
Pat Contin (1st year rookie)
Relton Roberts (1st year rookie)
Nick Westhoff (1st year rookie)
Graham Polak (mature age rookie)
* The paper said the other day that Vickery had re-signed or was close to but not sure for how many years?
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On current output looks like Gus has saved himself.
Simmo - retired
Jordie - papers stamped delisted
I still think this will be Cuz's final year but he'll go out on his terms as a retiree.
King - gawn
Hislop - gawn
Thomson - gawn
Polly and Goo delisted from our rookie list. Interesting to see how many rookie selections will have this year remembering GWS and GC17 get the first 8 rookie picks. We may only go for 2-3 rookies with most of our other rookies still young.
White - possibly gawn. I heard a months ago he himself thought he would be. Trying his best to save himself the last two weeks.
Connors - on last chance as we know
Polo - shakey. It wouldn't surprise if he got cut or traded.
Tuck - I think will stay in his current role as cannon fodder to help take the grunt workload off our star cubs.
Add a trade to pick up another decent pick inside top 50 as we did last year.
10 changes would be around the mark. That would give us 6-7 National draft picks, 1 PSD, 2-3 new rookies
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MT you think Gourdis is gawnski? Everyone was banging on about how good he went in the preseason and that he should get promoted.
I think poor ol Polly is done, looks lost at sea at times, struggles to hold a chest mark atm, he just doesn't look like he is a 100% still and I don't think he ever will be.
Simmo retired
Jordie looks close unless he has really extracted the digit, may shock some but he does have some skills and pace that may hold him in more stead to the MC and Rockcock Hardwick than some of the forum might.
agree Slops/Kingy/Thomo may of been stop gaps. Really had some hopes for Thomo, saw him do some rugged work but he hasn't come through. He also has a surprising long raking kick...considering how much handballing he does. Dunno if it was that weird pectoral muscle tear injury or what ...but something messed him up I think. I also Liked Hislops hard at it endeavor, but he just lacked that polish in ball delivery or going for goal etc.
White, can't agree, he looks determined and is delivering atm, gotta keep him, he carves them up when he is on, and he makes it look soooo goood.
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1- McMahon (delist)
2- Hislop (delist)
3- Thomson (delist)
4- King (delist)
5- White (delist)
6- Polak (delist)
7- Graham (delist)
8- Tuck (delist)
9- Simmonds (retired)
10- Cousins (retired)
agree with this. you could easily add 7.those 7 are likely the ones to be offered up for trade, i reckon 10 will be abouit it for this yr.
i think depending on what they trade for graham will be kept, hes now doing simmonds job short term as it is.
cousins may be allowed to go around again and tuck based on performance may get a reprieve. all are neither here nor there if they dont go this yr it will be the following.some one else will go this yr take your pick theres plenty to cho ose from and they will be gone soon enough.
it could be 10 this yr followed by 8 or 10 the yr after.
players i would be looking to trade mcguane edwards morton jackson rance tambling polo. all may or may not have some value.
i think hardwick has done most things right its easy to see where hes coming from. but imo yr 1 is the easy bit. we are coming off a spoon i think most thinking people would have cut deep and achieved some sort of improvement
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at seasons end we will see if hardwick can take hard decisions and do whats needed or we will see if he will be like wallace.
we can all remember 04 surely. a wooden spoon a decent clean out and then silly buggers and no tough decisions made by anyone.
if we operate anything like hawthorn when hardwick was there, and hes using pelchens system of grading as a model there will be little doubt another 8 to 12 will go.
Graham oldest ruckman on the list
tackles and hit outs last week
safe as houses to be keep next season, IMO
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how old is Rance?
19? 20?
still some what young for KPP