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Title: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: one-eyed on February 12, 2011, 11:01:54 PM
Young side containing 10 Tigers on debut so plenty of newbies on show for the first time.

Who and what did you like from tonight's two games?

Fire away....
Title: Re: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: jackstar is back again on February 12, 2011, 11:03:23 PM
Derickx for me
Grimes looks a better option than Rance also
Big positive that Nahas will be at Coburg all year :clapping :banghead
Title: Re: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: Dubstep Dookie on February 12, 2011, 11:15:15 PM
1. Nahas, White and Edwards. We have our delistings sorted out early.
2. ..........
Title: Re: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: cub on February 12, 2011, 11:21:40 PM
Nahas is a poo truck.

Sorry! Positives, ummmmmmm first 1/2 Carltank great attacking footy.
Then if we hanged on, on purpose or went into shells, terrible.

Could learn a lot from the skunks, they don't give you much time to breathe when youv'e got it.

All in all another poo richmond night .........
Title: Re: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: Damo on February 12, 2011, 11:29:07 PM
1. Nahas, White and Edwards. We have our delistings sorted out early.
2. ..........

Edwards, LOL. You must be joking
Title: Re: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: Ox on February 12, 2011, 11:44:52 PM
LMAO - Were soo far away......

Rope-Head is too small to even be allowed to live in general society.
Browne is a monga
Ty watever the stuff his name is,is a poofter.

God love us,the stuffing hack-farm we are!
Title: Re: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: Ekto on February 12, 2011, 11:48:21 PM
Nahas is a sh|t truck.

Sorry! Positives, ummmmmmm first 1/2 Carltank great attacking footy.
Then if we hanged on, on purpose or went into shells, terrible.

Could learn a lot from the skunks, they don't give you much time to breathe when youv'e got it.

All in all another sh|t richmond night .........
Are you going to cut up your membership, delete your OER logon and never watch another Richmond game?

Yet another dork poster.
Title: Re: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: Judge Roughneck on February 12, 2011, 11:52:06 PM
For fat 18 yr old first year mid size forward , dean mcdonald does not look slow
Title: Re: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: camboon on February 12, 2011, 11:53:43 PM
We played our reserves and how many first gamers ? and still looked OK at times.

Title: Re: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: tiga on February 13, 2011, 12:00:52 AM
Derickx and Batchelor looked the goods and Conca showed that he will be a real talent.
I don't care about the result considering both opposition teams fielded pretty strong sides especially Collingwood with 16 of their 22 GF players.
Title: Re: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: Coach on February 13, 2011, 03:15:33 AM
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 :lol :lol :lol

so smashed. how we go? take it we lost and take it big idiot was poo?  :lol

night boyz, go tiges
Title: Re: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on February 13, 2011, 08:57:38 AM
We played our reserves and how many first gamers ? and still looked OK at times.



Pretty much, just makes me laugh when i read how posters expect the world the cave in over a pre season game.
compare our objectives compared to pies and blues - what else did you expect guys?

1st half against blues unexpected bonus, the tackles will stick one day....
Title: Re: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: RollsRoyce on February 13, 2011, 09:20:34 AM
We played our reserves and how many first gamers ? and still looked OK at times.



Pretty much, just makes me laugh when i read how posters expect the world the cave in over a pre season game.
compare our objectives compared to pies and blues - what else did you expect guys?

1st half against blues unexpected bonus, the tackles will stick one day....

Our objectives SHOULD have been exactly the same as the pies and the blues...to give it our best shot to try and win. But I didn't expect any more than we got from the moment I looked at the squad.
So what was our objective? To wrap our senior players up in cotton wool and spare them from possible injury? Well guess what. We still have to play somewhere against someone over the next 7 weeks, and the risk of injury will be just as real as if we'd stayed in the NAB Cup, without the added bonus of being in contention for prize money that we could have used towards our debt-clearing campaign. 
Title: Re: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: 10 FLAGS on February 13, 2011, 09:22:18 AM
the objective should be to try and find some players. yesterday we achieved just that. conca, batchelor and derrickx all showed they can provide something to the team.
Title: Re: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: RollsRoyce on February 13, 2011, 09:44:14 AM
the objective should be to try and find some players. yesterday we achieved just that. conca, batchelor and derrickx all showed they can provide something to the team.

I was just as keen as anyone to look at some new players, and the potential shown by the ones you mention were the only highlights of a miserable night. But we should have gone in with more of a mix of youth and experience, and at least given ourselves a chance of winning, or being more competitive.
I'm sick to death of being bundled out of this comp by huge margins every single year. It's demoralising for the fans, and makes you feel after waiting 6 months for a fix,that nothing has changed. It's not that the comp itself means anything. It should be treated as our preparation for the real stuff, which in my view is better than having to trudge all over the country, playing on possibly sub-standard grounds with no prize money on offer.   
Title: Re: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: eliminator on February 13, 2011, 10:34:18 AM
Derickx and Conca impressive. Astbury played well. King tried hard. Moore and Thursfield played well. Disappointments Nahas, Edwards, Browne, Vickery and Rance(particularly in game against Carlton) didn't play well.
Title: Re: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: Penelope on February 13, 2011, 10:43:06 AM
Gee rolls, it was only ever being used as a look and see exercise. To us it was nothing more than a practice match.

Sure the players that ran out wanted to win, but in reality they never were going to. Dimma said everything he is doing is geared towards round one and I for one am happy about that.

Clubs like collingwood and calton were happy to send out strong sides because it suited their purpose, We did what suited our purpose and will continue to do so for the rest of the pre season.

I find it refreshing that the football department can set their own agenda without having to compromise their long term goals  just to get results in micky mouse games to satisfy membership sales or to keep supporters with unrealistic expectations at bay.

I always think back to the year we played essendon in the pre season granny, giving us all big expectations for the year.
Round one of the real stuff Adelaide gave us a reality check of don bradman proportions and another season of pain and suffering endured.

We've been told that success will not be measured in wins/loss this year, so why would that attitude change for a glorified practice match?



Title: Re: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on February 13, 2011, 10:45:12 AM
the objective should be to try and find some players. yesterday we achieved just that. conca, batchelor and derrickx all showed they can provide something to the team.

I was just as keen as anyone to look at some new players, and the potential shown by the ones you mention were the only highlights of a miserable night. But we should have gone in with more of a mix of youth and experience, and at least given ourselves a chance of winning, or being more competitive.
I'm sick to death of being bundled out of this comp by huge margins every single year. It's demoralising for the fans, and makes you feel after waiting 6 months for a fix,that nothing has changed. It's not that the comp itself means anything. It should be treated as our preparation for the real stuff, which in my view is better than having to trudge all over the country, playing on possibly sub-standard grounds with no prize money on offer.   
It's true that this is a mickey mouse competion and hard to take seriously. Especially considering most of our experienced mids were rested. The coaches must have a plan of action for the season proper especially round 1. The only problem is that if it all falls over and we get thrashed against the cheats then was this stategy worth it considering all the points you just mentioned?
Title: Re: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: RollsRoyce on February 13, 2011, 11:25:59 AM
Al, it's just more of the same old same old that upsets me.
We go there and get treated like 2nd-class citizens by the AFL: makeshift dressing rooms in the carpark, makeshift coaches box made from an old media box, and the phone line from the coach to the bench breaks down.
The umpires set the agenda straight away with two identical incidents within seconds of each other having two different interpretations. We lay a tackle -play on -they lay a tackle, holding the ball.
Carlton start clogging up our forward line in the second half, and we stop to an absolute crawl and try to chip our way around it and get blown away 5 goals to zip.
Collingwood put their full ground press on, and we can't get the ball past our half-back line. Are we keeping our powder dry for round one?? Well, we can only hope. But judging by the way Carlton were able to break through Collingwood's zone and hang in the game to the extent where they could've pinched it with a 9-pointer at the end as they pressed forward, I'd say we're in for another hammering come round one again.
Title: Re: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: Smokey on February 13, 2011, 11:34:25 AM
the objective should be to try and find some players. yesterday we achieved just that. conca, batchelor and derrickx all showed they can provide something to the team.

I was just as keen as anyone to look at some new players, and the potential shown by the ones you mention were the only highlights of a miserable night. But we should have gone in with more of a mix of youth and experience, and at least given ourselves a chance of winning, or being more competitive.
I'm sick to death of being bundled out of this comp by huge margins every single year. It's demoralising for the fans, and makes you feel after waiting 6 months for a fix,that nothing has changed. It's not that the comp itself means anything. It should be treated as our preparation for the real stuff, which in my view is better than having to trudge all over the country, playing on possibly sub-standard grounds with no prize money on offer.   
It's true that this is a mickey mouse competion and hard to take seriously. Especially considering most of our experienced mids were rested. The coaches must have a plan of action for the season proper especially round 1. The only problem is that if it all falls over and we get thrashed against the cheats then was this stategy worth it considering all the points you just mentioned?

While it would be nice to win round 1, every single message that has come from the club this pre-season has been that we are not chasing rainbows, quick fixes or gratuitous wins - this season is all about more games into the kids, further development in the game plan and more competitive efforts defensively.  And to that end, the team picked last night was only a very small piece of the jigsaw that will be 2011.  My take on the consistent stream of communication is that getting us 'cherry ripe' for round 1 will not be the priority and we should have no expectations greater than being more competitive.  If a win comes, then all the better but I want the club to be really successful in a year or two when we have the list, development, maturity, strength and ability to deliver that, so to that end I'm happy to wait and see.  Even though I am probably too optimistic for my own good, I (like most others on here) believe we finally have the right team in place off field to deliver so my faith will remain in being tolerant and patient for the immediate future at least.
Title: Re: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: Francois Jackson on February 13, 2011, 11:43:07 AM
the objective should be to try and find some players. yesterday we achieved just that. conca, batchelor and derrickx all showed they can provide something to the team.

I was just as keen as anyone to look at some new players, and the potential shown by the ones you mention were the only highlights of a miserable night. But we should have gone in with more of a mix of youth and experience, and at least given ourselves a chance of winning, or being more competitive.
I'm sick to death of being bundled out of this comp by huge margins every single year. It's demoralising for the fans, and makes you feel after waiting 6 months for a fix,that nothing has changed. It's not that the comp itself means anything. It should be treated as our preparation for the real stuff, which in my view is better than having to trudge all over the country, playing on possibly sub-standard grounds with no prize money on offer.   
It's true that this is a mickey mouse competion and hard to take seriously. Especially considering most of our experienced mids were rested. The coaches must have a plan of action for the season proper especially round 1. The only problem is that if it all falls over and we get thrashed against the cheats then was this stategy worth it considering all the points you just mentioned?

While it would be nice to win round 1, every single message that has come from the club this pre-season has been that we are not chasing rainbows, quick fixes or gratuitous wins - this season is all about more games into the kids, further development in the game plan and more competitive efforts defensively.  And to that end, the team picked last night was only a very small piece of the jigsaw that will be 2011.  My take on the consistent stream of communication is that getting us 'cherry ripe' for round 1 will not be the priority and we should have no expectations greater than being more competitive.  If a win comes, then all the better but I want the club to be really successful in a year or two when we have the list, development, maturity, strength and ability to deliver that, so to that end I'm happy to wait and see.  Even though I am probably too optimistic for my own good, I (like most others on here) believe we finally have the right team in place off field to deliver so my faith will remain in being tolerant and patient for the immediate future at least.

We cant on one hand be asking for our members to contribute to a fighting fund for us to not go out and do everything we can to smash the Blues in Round 1. A good effort here is very important for our club

its not the be all and end all i agree but a win would boost that fighting fund and out us well on our way.

Title: Re: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on February 13, 2011, 11:47:20 AM
the objective should be to try and find some players. yesterday we achieved just that. conca, batchelor and derrickx all showed they can provide something to the team.

I was just as keen as anyone to look at some new players, and the potential shown by the ones you mention were the only highlights of a miserable night. But we should have gone in with more of a mix of youth and experience, and at least given ourselves a chance of winning, or being more competitive.
I'm sick to death of being bundled out of this comp by huge margins every single year. It's demoralising for the fans, and makes you feel after waiting 6 months for a fix,that nothing has changed. It's not that the comp itself means anything. It should be treated as our preparation for the real stuff, which in my view is better than having to trudge all over the country, playing on possibly sub-standard grounds with no prize money on offer.   
It's true that this is a mickey mouse competion and hard to take seriously. Especially considering most of our experienced mids were rested. The coaches must have a plan of action for the season proper especially round 1. The only problem is that if it all falls over and we get thrashed against the cheats then was this stategy worth it considering all the points you just mentioned?

While it would be nice to win round 1, every single message that has come from the club this pre-season has been that we are not chasing rainbows, quick fixes or gratuitous wins - this season is all about more games into the kids, further development in the game plan and more competitive efforts defensively.  And to that end, the team picked last night was only a very small piece of the jigsaw that will be 2011.  My take on the consistent stream of communication is that getting us 'cherry ripe' for round 1 will not be the priority and we should have no expectations greater than being more competitive.  If a win comes, then all the better but I want the club to be really successful in a year or two when we have the list, development, maturity, strength and ability to deliver that, so to that end I'm happy to wait and see.  Even though I am probably too optimistic for my own good, I (like most others on here) believe we finally have the right team in place off field to deliver so my faith will remain in being tolerant and patient for the immediate future at least.
I really really really hope that you, Gale and Hardwick are on the right track. And I've heard them say it over and over "NO shortcuts" but can we please please please just beat Carlton cheats round 1????
Title: Re: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: Penelope on February 13, 2011, 11:50:30 AM
yep, Rolls,  we possibly are looking at a beating round 1, but the side we field will be vastly different to last nights. It was basically a seconds side playing near full strength sides from the premiers and finalists from last year.

I feel your frustration and pain, mate; and if in two years time we are still dishing the same old I will be distraught. (if the club had folded half through 2009 i would have viewed it as a mercy killing. they were dark days indeed  :'( )

For now though, i can see we are heading in the right direction so i keep my expectations low and draw satisfaction/enjoymnent out of the little things.

The other things you mention we have no control over, so I try to not let them get to me, even though it may add to the frustration , particularly things like that that shocking free kick scenario with white. I suppose first game the umps need to be cut a bit of slack too.
Title: Re: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: RollsRoyce on February 13, 2011, 12:10:13 PM
Smokey, I just don't understand how the club equates putting up a reasonable showing in the NAB CUP to be a quick fix, or chasing rainbows.
The Comp in itself is meaningless as a form guide for the season, I acknowledge that. But it should be taken seriously as an opportunity to give the SENIOR players the necessary match conditioning for round one. And if we can advance to the finals, all the better, because we win some prize money that we can put towards our debt. We're also likely to attract more of the bet-hedging members to cash up if they see us put in a good performance against our old enemies on television. I don't see any advantage to being continually relegated to the also-ran travelling circus.
Putting in a skeleton squad doesn't spare the experienced players from the risk of injury, as they will most likely end up having to fly halfway across the country to Alice Springs or somewhere to play in a turkish bath-house next week.
Title: Re: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on February 13, 2011, 12:11:34 PM
Positives. No injuries.  :thumbsup
Title: Re: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: cub on February 13, 2011, 12:12:08 PM
Nahas is a sh|t truck.

Sorry! Positives, ummmmmmm first 1/2 Carltank great attacking footy.
Then if we hanged on, on purpose or went into shells, terrible.

Could learn a lot from the skunks, they don't give you much time to breathe when youv'e got it.

All in all another sh|t richmond night .........
Are you going to cut up your membership, delete your OER logon and never watch another Richmond game?

Yet another dork poster.

No to all! And whatever wanka, you were happy with that? We still got a way to go chump!
Title: Re: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: Ox on February 13, 2011, 12:29:25 PM
Field of Spastics.
Title: Re: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: Smokey on February 13, 2011, 12:54:18 PM
Smokey, I just don't understand how the club equates putting up a reasonable showing in the NAB CUP to be a quick fix, or chasing rainbows.
The Comp in itself is meaningless as a form guide for the season, I acknowledge that. But it should be taken seriously as an opportunity to give the SENIOR players the necessary match conditioning for round one. And if we can advance to the finals, all the better, because we win some prize money that we can put towards our debt. We're also likely to attract more of the bet-hedging members to cash up if they see us put in a good performance against our old enemies on television. I don't see any advantage to being continually relegated to the also-ran travelling circus.
Putting in a skeleton squad doesn't spare the experienced players from the risk of injury, as they will most likely end up having to fly halfway across the country to Alice Springs or somewhere to play in a turkish bath-house next week.

Every player on the list is now being managed individually (as well as the list collectively) regarding workload, development, strength, stamina etc and while we are still in the very early stages of our complete rebuild then the NAB Cup will only ever be a vehicle that will be used to help achieve that end aim.  In a couple of years with mature bodies, well-drilled game plan and experience then we will be in a position to have a crack at winning but at this stage it would be counter productive to what we need to achieve.  The prizemoney is nowhere near significant enough to trade off the oft-stated long term goal of success for a (very) hit and miss chance at a payday.  I'm not sure what the prizemoney is this year but last year it was $180k for winning and $120k for runner up.  Not in our wildest dreams are we currently capable of finishing first or second when more mature sides are approaching the Cup with a more serious attitude to preparing and winning - Collingwood being a good example - and for that small amount of prizemoney its just not worth the trade-off in the long term scheme of things.  A good showing in the NAB Cup by a team in it's infancy of rebuilding will do nothing to enhance the prospects of sponsorship or membership but the confidence in the strong leadership/management of all facets of the club working towards the long term goal of success will.  And I don't buy into the increased injury risk issue at all.  We train at a number of suburban grounds all pre-season, all the grounds used in the pre-season matches are inspected and passed by the AFL, and career hampering injuries are just as likely to occur at training as in matches.
Title: Re: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: red on February 13, 2011, 12:54:51 PM
1. Nahas, White and Edwards. We have our delistings sorted out early.
2. ..........
You have no idea.
Title: Re: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: 1965 on February 13, 2011, 12:59:08 PM
1. Nahas, White and Edwards. We have our delistings sorted out early.
2. ..........
You have no idea.

Welcome to OER Gerks whoops Red

 :help
Title: Re: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: 10 FLAGS on February 13, 2011, 01:01:58 PM
For 20 minutes our 2nds did a job on Carlton and for the first 18 minutes our 2nds were only 1 goal behind the reigning premiers. People are just going over the top about yesterday.
Title: Re: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: Dubstep Dookie on February 13, 2011, 01:14:26 PM
Makes me laugh all the 'what did you expect the result to be' brigade on here.

If it was so 'expected', why didn't you all put our 'imminent loss' on record before the game, or even put a lazy 50 on the result?

I also think the majority of posters here who are critical of last night aren't so peeed off at the result, moreso the players who have had a few years in the system and played extremely poorly.

Nothing wrong with that.
 

 
Title: Re: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: tigersalive on February 13, 2011, 01:19:58 PM
[quote author=RollsRoyce link=topic=12492.msg221250#msg221250
Putting in a skeleton squad doesn't spare the experienced players from the risk of injury, as they will most likely end up having to fly halfway across the country to Alice Springs or somewhere to play in a turkish bath-house next week.
[/quote] the same Alice ground that's regarded to be a terrific surface?  We don't play in cow paddocks anymore.
Title: Re: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: 10 FLAGS on February 13, 2011, 01:20:32 PM
Makes me laugh all the 'what did you expect the result to be' brigade on here.

If it was so 'expected', why didn't you all put our 'imminent loss' on record before the game, or even put a lazy 50 on the result?

I also think the majority of posters here who are critical of last night aren't so peeed off at the result, moreso the players who have had a few years in the system and played extremely poorly.

Nothing wrong with that.
 

Did you see our squad before the match? We all knew we had no chance. Infact there are quite afew posts on these boards where our chance to be even competitive was questioned (infact I was one of those posters). There was no point in putting any money on Carlton or Collingwood because they were real short with the bookmakers - whats the point of putting $50 to get back $55 or $60. For that return no one is gonna be bothered even going to the TAB. As for players playing poorly we still have a poor list. Our list needs a lot of development. Yesterday wasnt as bad as people are making out. We found 2 or 3 players and we were competitive for a half in each game.

Title: Re: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: Infamy on February 13, 2011, 01:24:37 PM
For fat 18 yr old first year mid size forward , dean mcdonald does not look slow
I don't think his speed was ever questioned, just his stamina
Did you see him after that run from behind tackle? He was exhausted and almost blowing steam he was puffing so hard. He then shanked the kick which is pretty common for someone who can barely get his breath.
Title: Re: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: Coach on February 13, 2011, 02:15:20 PM
1. Nahas, White and Edwards. We have our delistings sorted out early.
2. ..........
You have no idea.

Welcome to OER Gerks whoops Red

 :help

More like Kelvin Moore dude :shh
Title: Re: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: RollsRoyce on February 13, 2011, 02:16:09 PM
Smokey, if nothing else, staying alive in the Nab Cup puts our brand on television. Even if we can't knock off Carlton and Collingwood as you say, what is wrong with at least fielding a team that can compete with them.
Give the fans some hope. Give the fans some incentive to plonk down their hard-earned at the turnstile for what used to be (and still should be) a game that's covered by our membership costs.
As for the suburban/rural grounds. I'm not saying the ovals themselves are necessarily MORE condusive to injury (though they could be in some cases.) (And Dubstep Dookie, the Alice Springs reference was to the debilitating effects of the climate and travel, not the ground itself. )
Smokey,my point is: if the reason we always approach the NAB Cup with an inexperienced squad is to minimize the risk of injury to senior players, then it's counter-productive and a waste of time. Beacause at some point you have to roll the players out anyway to get them match-conditioned for the season proper.
So why not just field your best team in the Nab Cup anyway? I'm sure the fans, like me, want to see the boys have a real dip at scum like Coll and Carl, and not get blown away and be the laughing stock YET AGAIN.
  
Title: Re: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: WilliamPowell on February 13, 2011, 02:25:54 PM
I thought our tackling looked to have improved and that's gotta be a positive

Was very impressed with Derikx - struggled eealry but once he got into it was impressive espcially his contested marking.

It was funny, whe we went out against the blues I thought gee our kids have put on size, then when were out against the pies I thought struth :gobdrop size...er... no we haven't  ;D

Most disappointng player for mine was Ty Vickery...

I understand both sides of argument about the squad that we put out on the paddock (was it right or wrong) but from a purley marketing perspective and considering we've yet to finalise a front of the jumper sponsor I don't think going in with a "baby cub" squad (and that's what we had a team of babies) was the right way to go. Losing last night and not going through means no TV coverage or much media exposure for the next 3-4 weeks and strangely that's something that is important to sponsors  ;D
Title: Re: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: mat073 on February 13, 2011, 02:38:07 PM
The positive from our two games last night is that we still have Deledio,Cotchin,Martin,Jumpin Jack,Foley,Newman and Jackson to come into the side.That's alot of talent to have up your sleeve for rd 1.Grigg and Houli will probably walk straight into our best 22 as well.Dont forget Griffiths and even Angus.

Thats half of our first choice team that did not play last night.

Conca looks like a real gem....got excited after his first touch.

Harwick said we had 16 first or second year players on the park against Collingwood.

 
Title: Re: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: WilliamPowell on February 13, 2011, 02:39:25 PM
Forgot to add I was super impressed with Pat Contin - looks alot fitter and bigger this season
Title: Re: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: Dubstep Dookie on February 13, 2011, 02:57:39 PM
(And Dubstep Dookie, the Alice Springs reference was to the debilitating effects of the climate and travel, not the ground itself. )

Huh? I think you've got the wrong man RR  ;)
Title: Re: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: Penelope on February 13, 2011, 06:06:33 PM
Smokey, if nothing else, staying alive in the Nab Cup puts our brand on television. Even if we can't knock off Carlton and Collingwood as you say, what is wrong with at least fielding a team that can compete with them.
Give the fans some hope. Give the fans some incentive to plonk down their hard-earned at the turnstile for what used to be (and still should be) a game that's covered by our membership costs.
As for the suburban/rural grounds. I'm not saying the ovals themselves are necessarily MORE condusive to injury (though they could be in some cases.) (And Dubstep Dookie, the Alice Springs reference was to the debilitating effects of the climate and travel, not the ground itself. )
Smokey,my point is: if the reason we always approach the NAB Cup with an inexperienced squad is to minimize the risk of injury to senior players, then it's counter-productive and a waste of time. Beacause at some point you have to roll the players out anyway to get them match-conditioned for the season proper.
So why not just field your best team in the Nab Cup anyway? I'm sure the fans, like me, want to see the boys have a real dip at scum like Coll and Carl, and not get blown away and be the laughing stock YET AGAIN.
  

The thing is rolls, do you want to compromise the football departments agenda by pandering to other "needs".

Hardwicks after match conference was interesting. A good insight into what he is thinking when he makes this decision.
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"We came in with the philosophy in this campaign that we just wanted to find out if a few players would put up their hand.

"We wanted to throw our kids in the deep end at the start and give them an idea of what the game is all about and how they've got to train to get to that intensity and I think we found that out.

"There's no greater challenge. Our last centre bounce was Helbig, Contin and Conca versus Thomas, Blair and Pendlebury.

"If you want to learn how to play footy, you learn to play against the best and although the scoreboard said otherwise, I think our players would have learned a hell of a lot out of tonight, which is great."

and in terms of overall player management;

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We're asking our guys in essence to play a fifth of the season before we actually start our season, so it is a very long time. They'll sharpen up.

http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=12495.msg221223#msg221223

All his decision making is football based. I like that  :thumbsup




Title: Re: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: Smokey on February 13, 2011, 06:11:31 PM
Smokey, if nothing else, staying alive in the Nab Cup puts our brand on television. Even if we can't knock off Carlton and Collingwood as you say, what is wrong with at least fielding a team that can compete with them.
Give the fans some hope. Give the fans some incentive to plonk down their hard-earned at the turnstile for what used to be (and still should be) a game that's covered by our membership costs.
As for the suburban/rural grounds. I'm not saying the ovals themselves are necessarily MORE condusive to injury (though they could be in some cases.) (And Dubstep Dookie, the Alice Springs reference was to the debilitating effects of the climate and travel, not the ground itself. )
Smokey,my point is: if the reason we always approach the NAB Cup with an inexperienced squad is to minimize the risk of injury to senior players, then it's counter-productive and a waste of time. Beacause at some point you have to roll the players out anyway to get them match-conditioned for the season proper.
So why not just field your best team in the Nab Cup anyway? I'm sure the fans, like me, want to see the boys have a real dip at scum like Coll and Carl, and not get blown away and be the laughing stock YET AGAIN.
  

Good points RR, I'm enjoying the discussion.  I would say this - I don't think our brand being on television in the NAB Cup in 2011 will make any difference to any potential new sponsors or members.  Right now we are what we are and I would bet my bottom dollar that what is being sold to the sponsors who have just signed up as well as any 'prospects' is that the 'pay off' will come when the plan enters it's 3rd+ years - that's when we become more competitive, that's when we get more media coverage, that's when the value in sponsoring Richmond will be evident and tangible.  Same with memberships.  We are not going to increase our membership base by any significant amount just because we win a game or two early in the NAB Cup 2011.  Most footy punters that are likely to ante up for a membership are astute enough to know we where sit in reality and what the NAB Cup really stands for in the big picture.  If the plan is solid this season and we show genuine improvement/potential by the end of 2011 then we can have a more serious tilt next year and that, combined with this season of building hope, is when we should expect to reap the rewards of a significant increase in support.  Putting our Fighting Tiger Fund out there this year while we are still spruiking rebuild/time/patience/hope is the perfect time to start it because that is a cause that can strike a chord with our supporters - last year no-one held out much hope and next year everyone will have much higher expectations.  The right time to strike with this iron (FTF) is right now and so it is with using the NAB Cup for grooming our kids.  Loading up on our good players and having a crack when we are nowhere near the mark is just setting ourselves up for a fall and going against the method of managing each player's development individually for the best long term benefit.  If we had a serious crack with a good side last night and still come up short then the potential damage on so many fronts was enormous.  Good strong management as I see it and it strengthens my belief and trust in those in charge.
Title: Re: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: bojangles17 on February 13, 2011, 06:40:38 PM
For 20 minutes our 2nds did a job on Carlton and for the first 18 minutes our 2nds were only 1 goal behind the reigning premiers. People are just going over the top about yesterday.

thats it 10fl, for best part of Q1 our 10 debuatants where going head to head with Collingwood the contest was always going to be onesided given the stacked side the silly looking maggots played....but for a fair period we punched well above our weight
Title: Re: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: WilliamPowell on February 13, 2011, 06:54:16 PM
For 20 minutes our 2nds did a job on Carlton and for the first 18 minutes our 2nds were only 1 goal behind the reigning premiers. People are just going over the top about yesterday.

thats it 10fl, for best part of Q1 our 10 debuatants where going head to head with Collingwood the contest was always going to be onesided given the stacked side the silly looking maggots played....but for a fair period we punched well above our weight

Agree with that... I thought considering the side we had out there we did OK. The kids weren't intimidated, there's alot to work with. Obviously some need more work and time than others.

Have just watched the tape and there were some really good signs

 :gotigers
Title: Re: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: RollsRoyce on February 13, 2011, 09:43:08 PM
(And Dubstep Dookie, the Alice Springs reference was to the debilitating effects of the climate and travel, not the ground itself. )

Huh? I think you've got the wrong man RR  ;)

Yep, sorry about that DD. I was actually responding to Tigers Alive  :thumbsup
Smokey, I've just got this competitive animal in me, particularly when it comes to FILTH like Carlton and Collingwood, whereby even if we were to play them at tiddlywinks I would want to slit their throats (figuratively speaking).
I think it largely goes back to the significant roles they both played in consigning our once great club to the scrap heap courtesy of the '82 Grand Final and the 80's trade wars respectively. As such, it just sickens me to see us put in anything but our very best effort against them in any form of the game ever. 
Title: Re: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: Smokey on February 13, 2011, 11:09:11 PM
Yep, I'll give you that one.   :thumbsup
Title: Re: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: gerkin greg on February 14, 2011, 11:52:09 AM
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Title: Re: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: the claw on February 14, 2011, 01:21:02 PM
for so many reasons we went with the right squad of players.
simply put we did not expect to win. what i did expect was 22 plus yr olds to at least make decent decisions  and use the ball wall.

think about it every newbie played gave a glimpse of some sort. even brad miller did a few nice things with body work and kicked a goal. considering the ball only got down there a few times.

the real criticism for me is the same olds most of whom have done nothing in their careers been around long enough and needing to show they deserve a spot.
how poor was white and edwards. king was ordinary thursfield defended well but failed again to give any run. did dan connors get a contested ball. nahas is bloody 23 and all we got in  mickey mouse games was more of the substandard same.
people say oh well its only a nab cup game but my view is if these more senior players cant perform at this level how the hell can they perform when its for real.most of those copping criticism are of an age where they should be stepping up yet its not happening.regardless of who you run out with there is such a thing as pride in performance.
Title: Re: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: Stripes on February 14, 2011, 03:55:17 PM
for so many reasons we went with the right squad of players.
simply put we did not expect to win. what i did expect was 22 plus yr olds to at least make decent decisions  and use the ball wall.

think about it every newbie played gave a glimpse of some sort. even brad miller did a few nice things with body work and kicked a goal. considering the ball only got down there a few times.

the real criticism for me is the same olds most of whom have done nothing in their careers been around long enough and needing to show they deserve a spot.
how poor was white and edwards. king was ordinary thursfield defended well but failed again to give any run. did dan connors get a contested ball. nahas is bloody 23 and all we got in  mickey mouse games was more of the substandard same.
people say oh well its only a nab cup game but my view is if these more senior players cant perform at this level how the hell can they perform when its for real.most of those copping criticism are of an age where they should be stepping up yet its not happening.regardless of who you run out with there is such a thing as pride in performance.


Those players you mentioned were included for a reason. I would suggest Dimma knows of there deficencies and was testing them out. If you didn't play you would be feeling pretty good about yourself with the company you were keeping.

I think you're a bit harsh on Thursty - he was a stalwart in defence and did feed the ball out quickly by foot and hand. I was actually impressed by what he offered.

Nahas, Rance, King and even White were disappointing for mine. Connors played his role off the wing well.

The coaches used the game as a test to see who would join the others in fitting in the team. I think they went a fair way to achieving their goal.

Stripes
Title: Re: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: Stripes on February 14, 2011, 04:15:12 PM
Just out of interest - those that were missing you can make a fairly strong team with...


FB:  Farmer        Gourdis            ???

HB:  Newman     McGuane         Deledio

C:    Martin        Jackson           Grigg

Foll: Graham      Cotchin            Foley

HF:  Houli           Post               ???

FF:  Griffiths        Riewoldt        ???

Int:  ???        ???          ???         Hislop


I'm sure I've left some out too!  :o

Just goes to show it really was a seconds team we fielded on Saturday Night. I would suggest the only guaranteed inclusions from the NAB squad would be Astbury, Morton, Tuck, King and perhaps Moore and Thursfield (Gourdis hasn't come on apparently from the coaches :( ). I will go out on a limb and say Derickx may take the second ruck spot over Post.

So the team would then look like this -


FB:  Farmer/Thursfield       McGuane           Moore

HB:  Newman     Astbury         Deledio

C:    Martin        Jackson           Grigg

Foll: Graham      Cotchin            Foley

HF:  Houli           Derickx/Post              Morton

FF:  Griffiths        Riewoldt        King

Int:          ???          ???         Sub: Tuck

The last two interchange positions may go to White  :-X, Taylor, Conca, Contin, McDonald, Webberley or Nason. My preference would be Conca, Contin and/or Taylor but we're still a bit light on there imho. Thursfields inclusion over Farmer may occur due to the increased probability that the majority of teams will play an extra ruck/tall in attack this year though Batchelor may claim that spot going on his form from the game.

Stripes
Title: Re: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: The Machine on February 14, 2011, 07:36:36 PM
After watching the game Saturday night and reviewing the game again last night, i was pleased with the performance of our draft picks from the past two years. The one thing that stuck out for me was the field kicking by these players was a vast improvement from years gone by.

Contin was outstanding with his delivery, didn't miss a target all night. Batchelor competed well with a few great spoils and neat kicking of the half back. Derickx was the surprise packet who could be our number one ruckman by seasons end. Conca did well enough to suggest he will be a very solid player moving forward. But to me, Astbury was the standout, he just ticks all the boxes. Lock him in at CHB for the next ten years. Helbig didn't have much game time, but i loved his aggression.

One player who has received mixed reviews from the game is Rance. I firmly believe he was one of our better players all night. I watched him closely and was impressed with his improved kicking and his willingness to put his body on the line as the third man up and his spoiling was a highlight. Rance's stats for the night were pretty good also, 12 kicks (10 eff) 6 handballs (5 eff) 6 marks, 3 tackles, 7 spoils. If he can play like that all year with better players around him, i for one would be happy and i think the coaching staff would be also.

The most disappointing players for me was Nahas, he just can't seem to process the game plane when he has the ball and White, looks great but for me, he misses to many crucial targets coming out of the back line.

Great to have footy back!!  ;D

Title: Re: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: Fluffy Tiger on February 15, 2011, 10:59:58 AM
There were some real positives most of which have been already posted.

However I will put this out there, not that I think it true, just putting it out there

We put out a second team and got thrashed and people say why didnt we put out a better team to boost membership, sponsorship etc.

What happens to membership etc if we did put out a better team and still got threashed ???

Just something to think about   :whistle
Title: Re: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: tiga on February 15, 2011, 01:42:16 PM
Don't forget everyone...we did beat Geelong by 51 points in Yea last year. So yeah, the preaseason is a huge indicator for the season ahead!  ::)
Title: Re: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: wayne on February 15, 2011, 02:07:46 PM
There were some real positives most of which have been already posted.

However I will put this out there, not that I think it true, just putting it out there

We put out a second team and got thrashed and people say why didnt we put out a better team to boost membership, sponsorship etc.

What happens to membership etc if we did put out a better team and still got threashed ???

Just something to think about   :whistle

Good point.

I am not disappointed at all with the games on Saturday night, if anything I was pleased. The tackling and pressure was fantastic by the kids, some who have had only 3-4 months of pre-season training.

The Richmond of old would have also let a guy like Krakouer kick 5 and look a million bucks, but we kept him quiet and I loved how many times Pendlebury was nailed in a tackle.
Title: Re: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: Judge Roughneck on February 15, 2011, 02:13:05 PM
Don't forget everyone...we did beat Geelong by 51 points in Yea last year. So yeah, the preaseason is a huge indicator for the season ahead!  ::)

Geelong left many good players out. But we still had a younger team on the day so it is a good sign for the future, one hopes.
Title: Re: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on February 15, 2011, 03:08:22 PM
There were some real positives most of which have been already posted.

However I will put this out there, not that I think it true, just putting it out there

We put out a second team and got thrashed and people say why didnt we put out a better team to boost membership, sponsorship etc.

What happens to membership etc if we did put out a better team and still got threashed ???

Just something to think about   :whistle

Good point.

I am not disappointed at all with the games on Saturday night, if anything I was pleased. The tackling and pressure was fantastic by the kids, some who have had only 3-4 months of pre-season training.

The Richmond of old would have also let a guy like Krakouer kick 5 and look a million bucks, but we kept him quiet and I loved how many times Pendlebury was nailed in a tackle.

Pretty much what I thought and will just add that I think Hardwick was quite genuine when he was saying that he wanted to see who of the younger players would step up in the white hot environment of senior footy against 2 finals sides from 2010.
A low risk experiment for Hardwick and the newbies on our list.
Reckon they would've been pleasantly surprised at half time of the 1st game - feel quite sure we would've won that game with any 3 of those top 8 players who missed.
Title: Re: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: dizza on February 15, 2011, 07:37:30 PM
One positive i can think of is that the games were only half-length, so the margins weren't quite as big...
Title: Re: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: eliminator on February 16, 2011, 07:01:55 AM
Upon reflection agree with comments tackling has improved. Agree positive no serious injuries and agree with comments played a very young side which has given them very good experience
Title: Re: Positives from tonight's two games?
Post by: camboon on February 16, 2011, 12:25:51 PM
Even though it was poorly executued , I would suggest that the likes of white, nahas, edwards and others were directed to take the play on every chance they got.

We need to take risks to be able to break the zones and unless these guys get some practice at quickly moveing the ball on through traffic they will continue to mess it up - if that what the game plan is of course. They might do better if they take the first option instaed of  holding onto the ball until they are under pressure.

When we tried to chip it round its only a matter of time before its turned over.