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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: FNM on February 15, 2011, 09:59:18 AM
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Do any of you support the death penalty? Any circumstances where you would support it?
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For Eddie McGuire. Yes.
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Yep, a lot of people forfeit their right to be on this earth IMO.
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Not a huge fan but if someone is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to have violently murdered an innocent person and enjoyed what they did, then they do not deserve to be on this earth. An example of a yes for me would be that prick Mark Galante who murdered his pregnant wife and only gets 20 years!! If you don't know the circumstances, here is the story...
http://www.news.com.au/cold-blooded-wife-killer-jailed/story-e6frfkp9-1111116036861
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Do any of you support the death penalty? Any circumstances where you would support it?
any more than 3 turnovers a game = Death Penalty
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Cant happen due Federal Parliament passing law last year that prevent the death penalty from being reintroduced by any state or territory in Australia. But I believe it should if someone is proven without a shadow of a doubt of being a serial killer then it should be a sentencing option for the judge to use if they see fit.
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Do any of you support the death penalty? Any circumstances where you would support it?
any more than 3 turnovers a game = Death Penalty
Then our club goes down the drain
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Cant happen due Federal Parliament passing law last year that prevent the death penalty from being reintroduced by any state or territory in Australia. But I believe it should if someone is proven without a shadow of a doubt of being a serial killer then it should be a sentencing option for the judge to use if they see fit.
I would rather see them rot in jail. Death is a barbaric, quick and an easy fix. They don't deserve that! They need to pay.
And I'd like to see the paedophiles put in mainstream prisons, not tucked away at Acacia or wherever they are.
And fix the legal system so that the sentence fits the crime FFS.
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Do any of you support the death penalty? Any circumstances where you would support it?
any more than 3 turnovers a game = Death Penalty
I'd make an exception though on this lol
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No. Collingwood need their members, otherwise there's no good reason to hate them anymore.
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No need for the death penalty per-se, just need to get creative.
Drop them 1600m off Seal Rocks in the middle of a pool of burly, and 20kgs of cow innards strapped around their waste. Let nature take it's course.
You make land, you cop a beating from your victims.
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"Death is barbaric" :lol
Death is reality
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But Moi, Galante will get out in 20 years while his wife will never see the light of day again and his unborn child never got the chance. How is that justice? In the meantime he's getting his 3 square whilst living behind bars. This prick also pleaded with a full dose of crocodile tears for someone to find his wife on national television.
Stuff lethal injection! I recommend death by being slowly devoured by hungry pigs like Mason Verger in Hannibal.
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I guess we live in a society that believes in rehabilitation for all who offend. That's why the death penalty won't be reintroduced and sentences are on the short side of reasonable.
I believe that makes our society more advanced than one which dispenses justice based on 'an eye for an eye', however, the problem is not everyone can be rehabilitated.
There are certain crimes which the punishment doesn't fit the crime.
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I can't support the death penalty because there have always been instances where the person put to death has been shown some time after to be innocent or likely not the one who committed the crime. One wrong death penalty is one too many, for me.
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How could one agree to the death penalty when sentences in general are way lenient as it is??
The whole court system needs to harden up with anything to do with any violation of another persons rights!!
It is rubbish that convicted Murderers, Rapists, and Pedophiles are allowed to walk our streets after serving lenient sentences!!! It is rubbish that my daughter could be playing on the street tomorrow and be mauled by the drug stuffed neighbors dog and the best the courts can come up with is a small fine and probably a 12 month good behavior bond even though the dog in question was an illegal breed!!!
There is 1000 examples a day like this that go through our courts, the whole system is rubbish and ned's to be re configured before we can even consider the death penalty.........
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How could one agree to the death penalty when sentences in general are way lenient as it is??
The whole court system needs to harden up with anything to do with any violation of another persons rights!!
It is rubbish that convicted Murderers, Rapists, and breadphiles are allowed to walk our streets after serving lenient sentences!!! It is rubbish that my daughter could be playing on the street tomorrow and be mauled by the drug stuffed neighbors dog and the best the courts can come up with is a small fine and probably a 12 month good behavior bond even though the dog in question was an illegal breed!!!
There is 1000 examples a day like this that go through our courts, the whole system is rubbish and ned's to be re configured before we can even consider the death penalty.........
Justice system is a very tough situation.
Jails are now filling up and this great push and belief people can be rehabilitated is what has pushed these lighter sentances unfortunately.
Plus now a days criminals plead mental problems which a (they)person would clearly have for some of the crimes you see people in court for.
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There's nothing funny about a dickless moron with a battery up his ass.
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No, not under any circumstances.
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I can't support the death penalty because there have always been instances where the person put to death has been shown some time after to be innocent or likely not the one who committed the crime. One wrong death penalty is one too many, for me.
A very rare insight into a softer side of you fishy.
I support the death penalty in certain circumstances; anyone that can take the life of a child or simply take their childhood away from them doesn’t deserve ANY leniency. If they can be proven 100% guilty (which is becoming more frequent these days with DNA testing etc) they don’t deserve to live.
How about the child who faces the possibility of running into this person when they are in their twenties (IF they get that long in jail), also the parents and siblings of said child having to try and support them around parole in what is ultimately a hopeless case?
Bearing in mind that some of these children then complete the cycle and become the offender who then cries “I was abused as a child”. How many of these wouldn’t be in that situation if the original offender is simply put to death and the money saved on the incarceration used to offer this child professional support that they really need. Not nightmares that the offender is going to be released and come after them again.
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Jacosh, your point is reasonable and fair and well made, but i still can't support the death penalty for any case at all. I know this is easier from a detached or philosophical point of view, rather than from a victim's point of view, but I would hope i would feel the same way if I was personally involved.
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If they can be proven 100% guilty (which is becoming more frequent these days with DNA testing etc) they don’t deserve to live.
Agree. Problem is history is riddled with people put to death who were 100% guilty - then proven not to have been guilty later.
DNA makes proving guilt more accurate but it's not foolproof.
Maybe if sentencing to jail was seen as more appropriate for some crimes then the death penalty would be a moot point.
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If they can be proven 100% guilty (which is becoming more frequent these days with DNA testing etc) they don’t deserve to live.
Agree. Problem is history is riddled with people put to death who were 100% guilty - then proven not to have been guilty later.
DNA makes proving guilt more accurate but it's not foolproof.
Maybe if sentencing to jail was seen as more appropriate for some crimes then the death penalty would be a moot point.
yr point about sentencing is a good one. the whole punishment/rehabilitation issue is contentious. The 'left to rot' idea ignores possible rehabilitiation, but of course we have many examples of crims being released and then committing crimes again. The sentencing of serious crime needs to be looked at carefully. Some of the cases we hear of are bizarre in regards length of sentence.
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If they can be proven 100% guilty (which is becoming more frequent these days with DNA testing etc) they don’t deserve to live.
Agree. Problem is history is riddled with people put to death who were 100% guilty - then proven not to have been guilty later.
DNA makes proving guilt more accurate but it's not foolproof.
Maybe if sentencing to jail was seen as more appropriate for some crimes then the death penalty would be a moot point.
Read PM fishy. Id like to hear what you think of this.
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I have to agree fish. Our sentencing procedures really need to be looked at. A classic is the drunk driver who gets behind the wheel, kills a child crossing the street, demonstrates he is incapacitated and only gets a few years while the child is gone forever.
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I wouldn't mind this creep being the first to die :'(
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/darcey-freeman-didnt-scream-when-throw-noff-bridge-brother-tells-court/story-e6frf7kx-1226018408354
A LITTLE girl who was thrown to her death from the West Gate Bridge didn't scream as she went over, her brother told a court today.
Ben Freeman, now 9, said his father stopped their car on the bridge, took his sister Darcey from the front seat and threw her over the rail.
In a taped interview played to the Supreme Court jury Ben was asked if Darcey said anything.
"She didn't even scream on her fall,'' he said.
"I didn't hear her scream on the way when she......nothing, nothing, nothing.''
Arthur Freeman, 37, of Hawthorn, has pleaded not guilty to murdering four-year-old Darcey Freeman on January 29, 2009, by throwing her from the West Gate.
She fell 58m to the water and died from drowning. It was to be her first day of school.
Opening his case yesterday defence barrister David Brustman SC told the jury it was not disputed his client killed his daughter but they would have to decide if he was "mad or bad''.
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Ben Freeman said that his father carried Darcey like he was carrying a baby and threw his he from the bridge and drove off.
"I said go back and get her. And dad keeps driving along,'' he said.
"Then I said Darcey can't swim ... and then dad would just keep on driving, didn't go back to get her.
"I kept on saying it over and over again and he never did it.''
Ben said they drove to the "weird funny place'' like an airport, which the jury has heard was the Commonwealth Law Courts building in William St.
He said he was getting bored and was asked what his father was doing.
"He was sulking. He was crying in the corner,'' he said.
Witness Barry Nelson said he was driving to work over the Westgate with his wife when he saw a white Toyota Prado 4WD pull over in the emergency lane.
Mr Nelson said he saw a man with a child in his arms and watched him tip the child over the rail.
"Her hair and limbs were flying,'' he said.
Mr Nelson stopped his car and approached the man but he saw no signs of aggression or emotion.
"He was totally neutral. He may have been posting a letter. He may have been walking back to the post box to his vehicle,'' he said.
The trial is continuing before Justice Paul Coghlan.
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I agree FNM.
I feel sorry for the poor boy that witnessed it and will have that memory for the rest of his life.
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I agree FNM.
I feel sorry for the poor boy that witnessed it and will have that memory for the rest of his life.
I feel sorry for everyone who witnessed what happened that morning on the West Gate. I cross the West gate every morning and thnkiing about it selfishly I'm relieved I wasn't on the Bridge at that time, that morning.
Certainly feel for both brothers...anmd the little girls mother and family
I actually said to someone tonight while watching the news I even feel for the lawyers representing the accused - how hard it must be to mount a defence for something that you really cannot defend. But our legal system being what it is says this thing is entitled to be represented and someone has to do it
And I don't usually agree with the death penalty but in this case without hesitation I make an exception
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I feel sorry for everyone who witnessed what happened that morning on the West Gate. I cross the West gate every morning and thnkiing about it selfishly I'm relieved I wasn't on the Bridge at that time, that morning.
Certainly feel for both brothers...anmd the little girls mother and family
I actually said to someone tonight while watching the news I even feel for the lawyers representing the accused - how hard it must be to mount a defence for something that you really cannot defend. But our legal system being what it is says this thing is entitled to be represented and someone has to do it
And I don't usually agree with the death penalty but in this case without hesitation I make an exception
That's pretty spot on. To hear the audio of the emergency phone call from the man who witnessed it, hearing the lady in the background, will haunt them for the rest of their lives.
And in front of his children, oh god, how do they recover from that?
Worst crime I've heard of :-(
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From what I've heard prison inmates don't take too kindly to child killers and molesters. The sicko will be constantly looking over his shoulder 24/7 if he was sent to rot in jail.
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From what I've heard prison inmates don't take too kindly to child killers and molesters. The sicko will be constantly looking over his shoulder 24/7 if he was sent to rot in jail.
Nah I don't reckon he will. He will be isolated from them all unfortunately
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From what I've heard prison inmates don't take too kindly to child killers and molesters. The sicko will be constantly looking over his shoulder 24/7 if he was sent to rot in jail.
Nah I don't reckon he will. He will be isolated from them all unfortunately
Yep, they have their own unit I believe
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From what I've heard prison inmates don't take too kindly to child killers and molesters. The sicko will be constantly looking over his shoulder 24/7 if he was sent to rot in jail.
Nah I don't reckon he will. He will be isolated from them all unfortunately
Yep, they have their own unit I believe
Unless the authorities are planning to keep him in solitary confinement then the wardens can't protect him 24/7 if others want to harm him (see Carl Williams).
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The sicko has been found guilty of murder by the jury tonight rather than 'mentally insane'.
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He'll probably get the same treatment like Martin Byrant put in a cell by him self under suicide watch and won't be mixed with other prisoners.
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What's the point (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-violent058.gif)
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That's right 101. He will be in protective custody, who protected his daughter?
This guy needs to be strung upside down,have his throat cut and left to bleed dry.
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The sicko has been found guilty of murder by the jury tonight rather than 'mentally insane'.
Life in prison. 32 years without parole.
Being able to live out his life in prison is to good for a person who commits such horrific acts IMO.
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Life in prison. 32 years without parole.
Being able to live out his life in prison is to good for a person who commits such horrific acts IMO.
There should be no minimum sentence for this.
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How long will a guy who murders a child last in jail?