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Re: Death Penalty
« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2011, 11:54:25 PM »
How could one agree to the death penalty when sentences in general are way lenient as it is??
The whole court system needs to harden up with anything to do with any violation of another persons rights!!
It is rubbish that convicted Murderers, Rapists, and Pedophiles are allowed to walk our streets after serving lenient sentences!!! It is rubbish that my daughter could be playing on the street tomorrow and be mauled by the drug stuffed neighbors dog and the best the courts can come up with is a small fine and probably a 12 month good behavior bond even though the dog in question was an illegal breed!!!
There is 1000 examples a day like this that go through our courts, the whole system is rubbish and ned's to be re configured before we can even consider the death penalty.........

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Re: Death Penalty
« Reply #16 on: February 17, 2011, 01:49:47 AM »
How could one agree to the death penalty when sentences in general are way lenient as it is??
The whole court system needs to harden up with anything to do with any violation of another persons rights!!
It is rubbish that convicted Murderers, Rapists, and breadphiles are allowed to walk our streets after serving lenient sentences!!! It is rubbish that my daughter could be playing on the street tomorrow and be mauled by the drug stuffed neighbors dog and the best the courts can come up with is a small fine and probably a 12 month good behavior bond even though the dog in question was an illegal breed!!!
There is 1000 examples a day like this that go through our courts, the whole system is rubbish and ned's to be re configured before we can even consider the death penalty.........

Justice system is a very tough situation.
Jails are now filling up and this great push and belief people can be rehabilitated is what has pushed these lighter sentances unfortunately. 
Plus now a days criminals plead mental problems which a (they)person would clearly have for some of the crimes you see people in court for.

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Re: Death Penalty
« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2011, 09:39:39 AM »
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Re: Death Penalty
« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2011, 06:50:27 PM »
No, not under any circumstances.

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Re: Death Penalty
« Reply #19 on: February 18, 2011, 08:18:14 PM »
I can't support the death penalty because there have always been instances where the person put to death has been shown some time after to be innocent or likely not the one who committed the crime. One wrong death penalty is one too many, for me.


A very rare insight into a softer side of you fishy.

I support the death penalty in certain circumstances; anyone that can take the life of a child or simply take their childhood away from them doesn’t deserve ANY leniency.  If they can be proven 100% guilty (which is becoming more frequent these days with DNA testing etc) they don’t deserve to live.
How about  the child who faces the possibility of running into this person when they are in their twenties (IF they get that long in jail), also the parents and siblings of said child having to try and support them around parole in what is ultimately a hopeless case?
Bearing in mind that some of these children then complete the cycle and become the offender who then cries “I was abused as a child”.  How many of these wouldn’t be in that situation if the original offender is simply put to death and the money saved on the incarceration used to offer this child professional support that they really need. Not nightmares that the offender is going to be released and come after them again.

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Re: Death Penalty
« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2011, 09:49:29 AM »
Jacosh, your point is reasonable and fair and well made, but i still can't support the death penalty for any case at all.  I know this is easier from a detached or philosophical point of view, rather than from a victim's point of view, but I would hope i would feel the same way if I was personally involved.

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Re: Death Penalty
« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2011, 10:06:20 AM »
If they can be proven 100% guilty (which is becoming more frequent these days with DNA testing etc) they don’t deserve to live.

Agree. Problem is history is riddled with people put to death who were 100% guilty - then proven not to have been guilty later.
DNA makes proving guilt more accurate but it's not foolproof.

Maybe if sentencing to jail was seen as more appropriate for some crimes then the death penalty would be a moot point.
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Re: Death Penalty
« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2011, 10:33:24 AM »
If they can be proven 100% guilty (which is becoming more frequent these days with DNA testing etc) they don’t deserve to live.

Agree. Problem is history is riddled with people put to death who were 100% guilty - then proven not to have been guilty later.
DNA makes proving guilt more accurate but it's not foolproof.

Maybe if sentencing to jail was seen as more appropriate for some crimes then the death penalty would be a moot point.

yr point about sentencing is a good one.  the whole punishment/rehabilitation issue is contentious.  The 'left to rot' idea ignores possible rehabilitiation, but of course we have many examples of crims being released and then committing crimes again.  The sentencing of serious crime needs to be looked at carefully.  Some of the cases we hear of are bizarre in regards length of sentence.

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Re: Death Penalty
« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2011, 12:14:38 PM »
If they can be proven 100% guilty (which is becoming more frequent these days with DNA testing etc) they don’t deserve to live.

Agree. Problem is history is riddled with people put to death who were 100% guilty - then proven not to have been guilty later.
DNA makes proving guilt more accurate but it's not foolproof.

Maybe if sentencing to jail was seen as more appropriate for some crimes then the death penalty would be a moot point.

Read PM fishy.  Id like to hear what you think of this.

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Re: Death Penalty
« Reply #24 on: February 24, 2011, 10:44:31 AM »
I have to agree fish. Our sentencing procedures really need to be looked at. A classic is the drunk driver who gets behind the wheel, kills a child crossing the street, demonstrates he is incapacitated and only gets a few years while the child is gone forever.

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Re: Death Penalty
« Reply #25 on: March 09, 2011, 06:06:17 PM »
I wouldn't mind this creep being the first to die  :'(

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/darcey-freeman-didnt-scream-when-throw-noff-bridge-brother-tells-court/story-e6frf7kx-1226018408354

A LITTLE girl who was thrown to her death from the West Gate Bridge didn't scream as she went over, her brother told a court today.
Ben Freeman, now 9, said his father stopped their car on the bridge, took his sister Darcey from the front seat and threw her over the rail.

In a taped interview played to the Supreme Court jury Ben was asked if Darcey said anything.

"She didn't even scream on her fall,'' he said.

"I didn't hear her scream on the way when she......nothing, nothing, nothing.''

Arthur Freeman, 37, of Hawthorn, has pleaded not guilty to murdering four-year-old Darcey Freeman on January 29, 2009, by throwing her from the West Gate.

She fell 58m to the water and died from drowning. It was to be her first day of school.

Opening his case yesterday defence barrister David Brustman SC told the jury it was not disputed his client killed his daughter but they would have to decide if he was "mad or bad''.

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Ben Freeman said that his father carried Darcey like he was carrying a baby and threw his he from the bridge and drove off.

"I said go back and get her. And dad keeps driving along,'' he said.

"Then I said Darcey can't swim ... and then dad would just keep on driving, didn't go back to get her.

"I kept on saying it over and over again and he never did it.''

Ben said they drove to the "weird funny place'' like an airport, which the jury has heard was the Commonwealth Law Courts building in William St.

He said he was getting bored and was asked what his father was doing.

"He was sulking. He was crying in the corner,'' he said.

Witness Barry Nelson said he was driving to work over the Westgate with his wife when he saw a white Toyota Prado 4WD pull over in the emergency lane.

Mr Nelson said he saw a man with a child in his arms and watched him tip the child over the rail.

"Her hair and limbs were flying,'' he said.

Mr Nelson stopped his car and approached the man but he saw no signs of aggression or emotion.

"He was totally neutral. He may have been posting a letter. He may have been walking back to the post box to his vehicle,'' he said.

The trial is continuing before Justice Paul Coghlan.


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Re: Death Penalty
« Reply #26 on: March 09, 2011, 06:45:24 PM »
I agree FNM.
I feel sorry for the poor boy that witnessed it and will have that memory for the rest of his life.

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Re: Death Penalty
« Reply #27 on: March 09, 2011, 08:52:18 PM »
I agree FNM.
I feel sorry for the poor boy that witnessed it and will have that memory for the rest of his life.


I feel sorry for everyone who witnessed what happened that morning on the West Gate. I cross the West gate every morning and thnkiing about it selfishly I'm relieved I wasn't on the Bridge at that time, that morning.

Certainly feel for both brothers...anmd the little girls mother and family

I actually said to someone tonight while watching the news I even feel for the lawyers representing the accused - how hard it must be to mount a defence for something that you really cannot defend. But our legal system being what it is says this thing is entitled to be represented and someone has to do it

And I don't usually agree with the death penalty but in this case without hesitation I make an exception 
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Re: Death Penalty
« Reply #28 on: March 09, 2011, 10:49:59 PM »
I feel sorry for everyone who witnessed what happened that morning on the West Gate. I cross the West gate every morning and thnkiing about it selfishly I'm relieved I wasn't on the Bridge at that time, that morning.

Certainly feel for both brothers...anmd the little girls mother and family

I actually said to someone tonight while watching the news I even feel for the lawyers representing the accused - how hard it must be to mount a defence for something that you really cannot defend. But our legal system being what it is says this thing is entitled to be represented and someone has to do it

And I don't usually agree with the death penalty but in this case without hesitation I make an exception 
That's pretty spot on. To hear the audio of the emergency phone call from the man who witnessed it, hearing the lady in the background, will haunt them for the rest of their lives.
And in front of his children, oh god, how do they recover from that?
Worst crime I've heard of :-(

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Re: Death Penalty
« Reply #29 on: March 10, 2011, 01:53:23 AM »
From what I've heard prison inmates don't take too kindly to child killers and molesters. The sicko will be constantly looking over his shoulder 24/7 if he was sent to rot in jail.
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