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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on February 27, 2011, 05:42:09 AM
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Cousins gamble proves some punts do pay
Shane Crawford
Herald Sun
February 28, 2011
EVERY AFL club is insisting that Brendan Fevola is not on their 2012 shopping list.
But that could change next year if Fev does all the right things in the VFL this year.
He can still be a very damaging player, given he has just turned 30, and if he gets his mind and body right, I still believe he could kick somewhere between 60 and 80 goals in 2012 and 2013.
Some clubs would kill to have a player capable of that.
But it all comes back to how Fev conducts himself in the next next six months, and whether he can make it hard for clubs not to take a punt on him. Imagine if he were to kick 100 goals in the VFL this year. For some clubs, it would be hard to say no.
He will come cheap on an incentive-based contract of somewhere between $150,000 and $250,000. He would also come with a very late draft selection, a throwaway pick, if you like.
Granted, he would come with considerable baggage. That's why you could expect to have a behaviour clause in any contract that comes his way in the future.
Richmond took a punt on Ben Cousins when no one else would touch him. No one ever thought Cousins would ever get another chance after his drug issues emerged and caused him to be deregistered by the AFL for a year.
So there's still a chance for Fev, regardless of what clubs are saying publicly.
Would the AFL let Fev play again?
I can't see why not, given they let Cousins play the game again, bringing a much better closure to his career. Given his desire to live in Melbourne, I would automatically rule out any non-Victorian club.
There are three clubs best placed to offer Fevola a lifeline in 2012.
RICHMOND
The Tigers proved with Cousins that they can take in a troubled soul and work on making him better. Fev is also very close friends with captain Chris Newman, so that might play a role in it.
Damien Hardwick is a very tough coach and that's what Fev would need to keep him fit and focused. Fev might also take the strain off Jack Riewoldt a bit in 2012 if he got the chance. They are a developing, young side, but they proved with Cuz that they can take a punt and it can pay dividends.
WESTERN BULLDOGS
Fev could be a replacement for Barry Hall if Hall retires at the end of the season. He will only be 31 next season, so that would allow him the chance to have two or maybe three years in the system. Rodney Eade normally has a great relationship with his players, so that would help, too.
Countering that would be the Dogs' collective memory of Jason Akermanis' departure. The Dogs don't want distractions, so Fev would need to demonstrate there would not be any if he was to have another chance.
ST KILDA
Ross Lyon has shown a willingness to take a punt on recycled players. The decision to pick Andrew Lovett in late 2009 proved to be disastrous and may influence any decision to chase Fevola. Also the club has had a number of off-field troubles that might also preclude it.
But if Fev shows himself to be a reformed character, and if the premiership window is still there for the Saints, they might just be tempted to take a punt.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/cousins-gamble-proves-some-punts-do-pay/story-e6frf9jf-1226012630187
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No thanks.
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40 ft pole applies. Don't want Fevola anywhere near Richmond.
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We need to develop Post, Griffiths, Taylor and Vickery up forward. How we meant to do that with Fev in the way? 8)
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I can't see us picking him up or st kilda for that matter.
As if saints are gonna risk anymore off-season troubles by picking up a player with a record of trouble.
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Dimma has already said that we won't take short cuts
Fev is the perfect example of a short cut and a bad one at that
We need to put as much game time into Jack, Vickery, Griffiths, Post & Taylor, putting Fev in before them will just stifle their development
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i say stop being sissies
he will come cheap, and will cost us sweet ef A
newman will keep fev inline and he will sit at Full fwd and kick a back , this will free up jack to play a richo role as a floating fwd and grifith will play chf
reminds me when we had a three pronged attack that worked
edwards/jurica at ff, gale at chf and richo the floating fwd
fev has done nothing wrong except show signs of immaturity , we can profit out of this
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NO WAY.
Saints rofl ...Would slide straight in unnoticed down there
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No! Cuz had a work ethic whilst still having problems, Fev does not have the work ethic. Cuz is/was a good teacher and on field role model, Fev is not! Cuz is a brownlow medalist and premiership player, Fev is not!
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Um......let me think.....NO, NO & NO.
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An aging fat, dumb, stuffed groin, distraction we don't need.
If that twit or his baggage comes near our club I seriously won't renew my membership next year.
Fortunately I don't believe he will.
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Let's look at this logically.
NO!
Now,let's look at it illogically...
After a season in the vfl with a professional code of conduct and a view to finally prove himself a winner as opposed to the current perception of loser and wasted talentx10,a club should definitely look at the possibility of acquiring his services at
stuff all $.
Having said that,it wont happen as he'll stuff it up at the vfl.
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An aging fat, dumb, stuffed groin, distraction we don't need.
If that twit or his baggage comes near our club I seriously won't renew my membership next year.
Fortunately I don't believe he will.
:lol That would be having a sook.
Think Ak is trying to get him to Glenorchy.
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I think Fev should go to the Hawks. It would be great if he could cause some of his usual contraversial antics that don't really harm anyone but himself. It would then highly embarras the club they'll sack him and look stupid. Then Fev can expose all the gay players there and the circus would begin.
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I think Shane might have forgotten that Wallace and Miller aren't at the club any more.
Won't happen while Hardwick is in charge.
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:lol That would be having a sook.
Indeed it would. ;D
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Would be wonderful at the Hawks - Make him Captain as he is just a quality bloke - :lol
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so u guys must assume that chris newman is a class 1 moron imbecile as he is fevs best friend and was fevs best man
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so u guys must assume that chris newman is a class 1 moron imbecile as he is fevs best friend and was fevs best man
Just because Fev is a moron doesn't make Newman one for being his mate.
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NOT A CHANCE IN HELL
Stirring the pot again are we shane. Can always get a rise outta the Richmond faithful hey, gee the media love stirring us up
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No Luxbet, No Fev
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I could actually see Hirdy and the Bumbers giving him a go if they have a surprisingly good year. :pray
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I could actually see Hirdy and the Bumbers giving him a go if they have a surprisingly good year. :pray
Don't know if Fev would be Hird's cup of tea. Doesn't give the impression of suffering fools at all and Fev fits fair and square into that mould.
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Have you seen the footage of fev running amok at the brownlow night?
Hird didnt look like he was too enthused with fev when he bailed him up but he handled him quite well despite fev wanting to get agro.
unlike judd who just ran away with a stupid sh-it eating grin on his head
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i say stop being sissies
he will come cheap, and will cost us sweet ef A
newman will keep fev inline and he will sit at Full fwd and kick a back , this will free up jack to play a richo role as a floating fwd and grifith will play chf
reminds me when we had a three pronged attack that worked
edwards/jurica at ff, gale at chf and richo the floating fwd
fev has done nothing wrong except show signs of immaturity , we can profit out of this
Good god man ! What planet are you on ? Fevola's done nothing wrong ?? Nah , course he hasn't lol
Come cheap and cost us nothing ? Nothing except all the progress we're starting to make !
Can you tell me more about that ' three pronged ' attacked that worked so well for us ?
Stuart Edwards ? LMFAO Stephen Jurica ? LMFTO and Richo the ' floating ' forward ?? When did Richo play that role ?
What rubbish ! :whistle
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Coburg one of a number of VFL clubs interested in Fevola according to 2pm news on the radio.
However in the Herald-Sun it says:
Coburg has also reportedly been interested but football manager Craig Byron ruled a line through that, saying the Tigers "would not even entertain the idea''.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/frankston-desperate-to-sign-brendan-fevola/story-e6frf9jf-1226013104955
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reminds me when we had a three pronged attack that worked
edwards/jurica at ff, gale at chf and richo the floating fwd
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Dude, you seriously need to stop smoking that sh|t :wallywink
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Coburg one of a number of VFL clubs interested in Fevola according to 2pm news on the radio.
However in the Herald-Sun it says:
Coburg has also reportedly been interested but football manager Craig Byron ruled a line through that, saying the Tigers "would not even entertain the idea''.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/frankston-desperate-to-sign-brendan-fevola/story-e6frf9jf-1226013104955
Thank heavens for that. Even Coburg is too close for comfort.
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No! Cuz had a work ethic whilst still having problems, Fev does not have the work ethic. Cuz is/was a good teacher and on field role model, Fev is not! Cuz is a brownlow medalist and premiership player, Fev is not!
this.
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Simple no. Ignore.
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21st Century may want to plant some lemon trees out the front ;D
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No! Cuz had a work ethic whilst still having problems, Fev does not have the work ethic. Cuz is/was a good teacher and on field role model, Fev is not! Cuz is a brownlow medalist and premiership player, Fev is not!
what utter rubbish.
it was only when cuz started missing training and not meeting obligations that it became a problem for wce.
im all for taking QUALITY PLAYERS and no one in his or her right mind can say fev is not a quality ff.
richmond or any other club would be mugs if they did not take fevola when reasonably sure he is doing everything he can to overcome his demons.
and to finish you would have to be a blind fool to think our young kpfs cant learn from fev.
give him a go i say as long as we are sure he is truly doing his utmost to overcome his problems.
hmm lets see how many 100plus game players do we have on the list again oh thats right 3, 4 if you count rookie miller. hmm a fit and healthy fev or brad miller.
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The Coburg Tigers yesterday ''categorically'' ruled out an approach to Fevola, despite some initial interest.
Coburg football manager Craig Byron suggested that it would be ''too much to handle'' for first-year senior coach Adam Potter.
Coburg's initial interest in Fevola is understood to have angered its AFL affiliate Richmond, which sparked controversy recently when it announced that it wanted to field its own VFL team.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/scorpions-provide-sting-in-fevola-tale-20110227-1b9zt.html
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No! Cuz had a work ethic whilst still having problems, Fev does not have the work ethic. Cuz is/was a good teacher and on field role model, Fev is not! Cuz is a brownlow medalist and premiership player, Fev is not!
what utter rubbish.
it was only when cuz started missing training and not meeting obligations that it became a problem for wce.
im all for taking QUALITY PLAYERS and no one in his or her right mind can say fev is not a quality ff.
richmond or any other club would be mugs if they did not take fevola when reasonably sure he is doing everything he can to overcome his demons.
and to finish you would have to be a blind fool to think our young kpfs cant learn from fev.
give him a go i say as long as we are sure he is truly doing his utmost to overcome his problems.
hmm lets see how many 100plus game players do we have on the list again oh thats right 3, 4 if you count rookie miller. hmm a fit and healthy fev or brad miller.
Read Cuz's book claw? It became an issue at WCE when he started getting in trouble with the cops! He had work ethic toomate! You only had to watch him play to see that! Fev does not chase, will not put in second efforts on occassions either! And on the Miller issue, who said you had to be a gun forward to teach a kid a thing or two! Its how you prepare, work on the track, react to adversity and how you communicate that decides most of the leadership qualitys a player has! Hmmmm!
A fit and healthy Fev over Brad Miller? Come and ask that question when Fev gets himself fit and healthy, it may never happen, at least enough to play AFL!
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what utter rubbish.
it was only when cuz started missing training and not meeting obligations that it became a problem for wce.
im all for taking QUALITY PLAYERS and no one in his or her right mind can say fev is not a quality ff.
richmond or any other club would be mugs if they did not take fevola when reasonably sure he is doing everything he can to overcome his demons.
and to finish you would have to be a blind fool to think our young kpfs cant learn from fev.
give him a go i say as long as we are sure he is truly doing his utmost to overcome his problems.
hmm lets see how many 100plus game players do we have on the list again oh thats right 3, 4 if you count rookie miller. hmm a fit and healthy fev or brad miller.
Wow, you really are crazier than I ever thought... and that says something.
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hmm lets see how many 100plus game players do we have on the list again oh thats right 3, 4 if you count rookie miller. hmm a fit and healthy fev or brad miller.
Which one of these two would you prefer to be influencing your kids?
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Fev is not the player he used to be. At Brisbane right from the start he looked slow, lazy and disinterested. Only averaged 8.8 disposals from his 17 games in 2010. So despite all of his off-field drama's, he is not showing any of the intensity that Cuz did when he was at the Tiges.
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Tigers ice-cold on 'Fev'
By Sam Landsberger
Moreland Leader
1 Mar 11
THERE is one spot left on Coburg’s 2011 list but it will not be filled by sacked Brisbane Lion Brendan Fevola.
Tigers football manager Craig Byron revealed the Victorian Football League club was “not even entertaining” the idea of throwing the troubled spearhead a lifeline, adding it would not be fair on new coach Adam Potter.
“We’ve basically decided on our list and Fev’s still in rehab so you don’t even know when he’ll be ready,” Byron said.
“It’s something we’d have to clear with Richmond and I don’t think they’d be keen on taking him on and then (if) something happens it gets linked back to them.
“We’re not even entertaining it because we don’t want to get involved in the circus and I don’t think it’d be fair on (Potter) in his first year to have to worry about answering questions about Fev every three minutes.”
Byron said he had not even bothered calling close friend and Lions assistant-coach Jade Rawlings to ask what state the 30-year-old is in.
Similarly the Tigers will not ask assistant-coach Sam Power to phone brother and star Lion Luke Power for a Fevola update.
http://moreland-leader.whereilive.com.au/sport/story/tigers-ice-cold-on-fev/
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I wonder what Fev will do now that his AFL career is finished?
Any guesses?
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I wonder what Fev will do now that his AFL career is finished?
Any guesses?
Anyone care? ;D
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I wonder what Fev will do now that his AFL career is finished?
Any guesses?
Anyone care? ;D
Claw!
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I wonder what Fev will do now that his AFL career is finished?
Any guesses?
A replacement mouth for the Luna Park Entrance? He would be perfect as he does not discriminate as to what goes in or out of it as long as its "just for fun".
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hmm a fit and healthy fev or brad miller.
hmmm....neither thanks.
Play the kids.
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hmm lets see how many 100plus game players do we have on the list again oh thats right 3, 4 if you count rookie miller. hmm a fit and healthy fev or brad miller.
Which one of these two would you prefer to be influencing your kids?
my 18 plus yr olds dont need influencing. we are hopefully talking about young men here who can take responsibility for their own actions. hmm who would i rather leading my young footballers in games fev or miller. or how about cuz or miller.
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hmm lets see how many 100plus game players do we have on the list again oh thats right 3, 4 if you count rookie miller. hmm a fit and healthy fev or brad miller.
Which one of these two would you prefer to be influencing your kids?
my 18 plus yr olds dont need influencing. we are hopefully talking about young men here who can take responsibility for their own actions. hmm who would i rather leading my young footballers in games fev or miller. or how about cuz or miller.
If there is one thing Fev has failed to do so far is to take responsibilty for own actions! Cuz has!
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hmm lets see how many 100plus game players do we have on the list again oh thats right 3, 4 if you count rookie miller. hmm a fit and healthy fev or brad miller.
Which one of these two would you prefer to be influencing your kids?
my 18 plus yr olds dont need influencing. we are hopefully talking about young men here who can take responsibility for their own actions. hmm who would i rather leading my young footballers in games fev or miller. or how about cuz or miller.
The point i was trying to make is the difference in character claw. There is more to being a good influence on young men than football ability.
I have never heard of anyone speak of fevola in the same light as cuz or miller in terms off attitute.
Yes at that age they should be responsible for their own actions, but they are still very much influenced by their senior peers.
I wonder what the outcome of Connors muck up in Sydney would have been if Fevola had been present instead of cousins?
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hmm who would i rather leading my young footballers in games fev or miller.
Miller aside, lol @ Fev the teacher or leader.
Surely you're not serious claw?!
He's a selfish dropkick and now a wash up.
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hmm lets see how many 100plus game players do we have on the list again oh thats right 3, 4 if you count rookie miller. hmm a fit and healthy fev or brad miller.
Which one of these two would you prefer to be influencing your kids?
my 18 plus yr olds dont need influencing. we are hopefully talking about young men here who can take responsibility for their own actions. hmm who would i rather leading my young footballers in games fev or miller. or how about cuz or miller.
The point i was trying to make is the difference in character claw. There is more to being a good influence on young men than football ability.
I have never heard of anyone speak of fevola in the same light as cuz or miller in terms off attitute.
Yes at that age they should be responsible for their own actions, but they are still very much influenced by their senior peers.
I wonder what the outcome of Connors muck up in Sydney would have been if Fevola had been present instead of cousins?
the same except both would probably be drunk. in taking fev we would be asking him to take responsibility for his actions just like we do with connors.
anyway fair enough i do understand your point of view and can go along with it for lots of reasons. i just get the feeling fev cops it on here more because hes a carlton boy. remember cuz before he came to richmond was a huge party boy it cost him his career for a yr.
imo and i reckon its worth taking a punt on, but i think fev at a similar point as cuz when deregistered. i think he has much to teach our forwards and if given the chance would be an onfield leader. i dont expect him to be teaching our kids about ethics and behavior off field all i would ask of him off field is he stays out of trouble and does his bit at training in showing the kids the ropes.
yep there are plenty of pros and cons its just my humble opinion but i think fev worth giving a chance especially when i weigh up the risk and cost of getting him. that is little risk and little cost.
in fact even if he went off the rails while with us there would be little or no harm done to us as we would be the club giving him a last chance to turn his life and career around.
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hmm who would i rather leading my young footballers in games fev or miller.
Miller aside, lol @ Fev the teacher or leader.
Surely you're not serious claw?!
He's a selfish dropkick and now a wash up.
are you seriously telling me fev has never lead from the front. hes been a fantastic ff who has single handedly dragged carlton over the line on plenty of occasions.
look i agree hes been a fool a dropkick an idiot. but i reckon he can turn his demons aroiund and become an assett to any club.
the only real nagging doubt i have is he wont be able to play until 2012. and i wonder where our kids development will be at come the start of next yr.its just a personal opinion but im one who is prepared to take the punt on him it may work out it may not. not a lot to lose but plenty to gain.
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are you seriously telling me fev has never lead from the front.
Yes. I don't believe he is a leader. Nor do I believe he is a team player.
Sure he's played some good football in the past but Fev has sooked on field plenty too. A lot in fact.
I'd go further and agree with others that say he is a cancer on football clubs rather than an asset.
He is a selfish individual who rarely makes self sacrifice.
Ben Cousins was a born leader. Brendan Fevola is not. Not by a long shot.
Chalk and cheese.
Let's look at last year as a clearer indication of what Fev is rather than what was.
His injured groin is of massive concern as is his one dimensonality as a stay at home FF in an evolving game with new IC rules.
He looked slow, disinterested and had the weight of the world on his mind.
I do not think he is the kind who will change his spots and will be absolutely staggered to see him make a return to elite football.
I don't see much to gain for any club other than a distraction. Once bitten, twice shy, a third time and your a bigger clown than Fev himself.
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not a lot to lose but plenty to gain.
Wonder if that's how Brisbane felt about it too
If they did, I bet they don't now
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are you seriously telling me fev has never lead from the front. hes been a fantastic ff who has single handedly dragged carlton over the line on plenty of occasions.
look i agree hes been a fool a dropkick an idiot. but i reckon he can turn his demons aroiund and become an assett to any club.
the only real nagging doubt i have is he wont be able to play until 2012. and i wonder where our kids development will be at come the start of next yr.its just a personal opinion but im one who is prepared to take the punt on him it may work out it may not. not a lot to lose but plenty to gain.
I don't see the gain on taking the risk with him. I think it might be easy to confuse leadership with gifted player. You are dead right about him dragging Carlton over the line on many occasions but I think that was sheer talent and not leadership in the leading/mentoring type of way. And right now our kids need (and will benefit greatly from) having leaders around them - players who teach them how to train, how to prepare, how to 'team'. I don't see any capacity in Fev to do any of those things. Then again, I had reservations about taking Cousins too, but I have to say I have much much stronger reservations about taking Fev. It's probably all moot anyway, Hardwick doesn't strike me as someone who would look at a Fev-type.
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He's a perfect fit for a side like the Blues. They lack a quality KPF. :santa
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He's a perfect fit for a side like the Blues. They lack a quality KPF. :santa
Almost funny there Gerks.
:thumbsup
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not a lot to lose but plenty to gain.
Wonder if that's how Brisbane felt about it too
If they did, I bet they don't now
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the thing is brisbane gave up plenty. if we were in a similar boat i would say no. not when you have a proven ff in bradshaw with brown and mitch clarke. giving up quality players a young promisisng kpf who is the long term replacement for bradshaw or brown and draft picks for a 30 yr old well that is mind boggling.
to top it off to disenfranchise good players on your list to get him when there was no need to start with well even more mind boggling.
the thing is we are not in brisbanes shoesthere is minimal risk and minimal cost.
i say take the 30 yr old ff of proven quality when you have just one proven tall forward on your entire list and the cost is minimal well like i said you would be a mug not to take the punt.if it works out it is a huge boon if it doesnt well it is basically nothing lost.
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He'll be 31 by the time he's back in AFL and his body is already failing him
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I think Fev should go to the Hawks. It would be great if he could cause some of his usual contraversial antics that don't really harm anyone but himself. It would then highly embarras the club they'll sack him and look stupid. Then Fev can expose all the gay players there and the circus would begin.
OH yes please X 1000