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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on January 19, 2012, 12:55:22 AM
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Richmond assistant coach Justin Leppitsch said there were up to 10 spots still up for grabs for the Round 1 side.
Herald-Sun link (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/tiger-jack-riewoldt-prepares-to-cut-loose/story-e6frf9jf-1226247773906)
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That's still the link to the Riewoldt article ;)
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That's still the link to the Riewoldt article ;)
Sprung ;D.
Nah I thought this one sentence was worth a thread of its own rather than a one-liner chucked on the end of a article mostly about Jack and individual players. Leppitsch is saying 12 spots are cemented with still over two months to go. Presumably that '12' includes the ten of Lids, Cotch, Dusty, Jack, Newy, Foley, Houli, Vickery, Rance and I.Maric as first ruck. First question is who are the other two certainties? and the second question is who will make up the remaining 10 spots still up for grabs?
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Nah I thought this one sentence was worth a thread of its own rather than a one-liner chucked on the end of a article mostly about Jack and individual players. Leppitsch is saying 12 spots are cemented with still over two months to go. Presumably that '12' includes the ten of Lids, Cotch, Dusty, Jack, Newy, Foley, Houli, Vickery, Rance and I.Maric as first ruck. First question is who are the other two certainties? and the second question is who will make up the remaining 10 spots still up for grabs?
Not saying I agree but there's no doubt in mymind that Jackson will be one of the remaining "certainties"
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Nahas and King if he is fit
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Batchelor and Grimes if both fit and "King Conca"
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If Jackson plays I will never support the club again.
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If Jackson plays I will never support the club again.
Well we can do without fans, but not supporters 8)
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If Jackson plays I will never support the club again.
sure!
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Hi Gracie. :cheers
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Conca and Batchelor are 2 absolute certainties.
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:lol
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Just nine spots left.
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Just watched a replay of Kangas games round 5 and Jackson was (as usual) ordinary.
Agree, if Jackson is a regular were going nowhere
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Here's my "definites" so far.
B: Grimes Rance Houli
HB: Batchelor ------ ------
C: Newman Martin Conca
HF: Nahas Riewoldt Foley
F: ------ Vickery ------
Foll: Maric Cotchin Deledio
Int: Grigg ------ ------
Sub: ------
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Just watched a replay of Kangas games round 5 and Jackson was (as usual) ordinary.
Agree, if Jackson is a regular were going nowhere
And if you are still a "supporter", then the Tigers are going nowhere.
Check wiki for the definition of SUPPORTER, whinger.
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good to hear theres at least 10. would have thought more.
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Just watched a replay of Kangas games round 5 and Jackson was (as usual) ordinary.
Agree, if Jackson is a regular were going nowhere
And if you are still a "supporter", then the Tigers are going nowhere.
Check wiki for the definition of SUPPORTER, whinger.
Yeah, heven forbid any criticism of a player after reviewing his performance. ::)
The 'Hooray for everything' site is over there slapper :wallywink
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Just watched a replay of Kangas games round 5 and Jackson was (as usual) ordinary.
Agree, if Jackson is a regular were going nowhere
And if you are still a "supporter", then the Tigers are going nowhere.
Check wiki for the definition of SUPPORTER, whinger.
Might want to look up Zombie as well.
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I'm guessing Maric and Morris like say Nahas will be in the cemented 12 given the alternatives for their respective positions on the park are below them in the pecking order.
12 cemented - Lids, Dusty, Cotch, Jack, Newy, Rance, Vickery, Houli, Foley, I.Maric, Morris and Nahas.
Those who you would think would be most likely in the 10 spots still up for grabs - Conca, Batchelor, Grimes, Ellis, Edwards, Grigg.
So my definites aren't too different to Danog's
Here's my "definites" so far.
B: Grimes Rance Morris
HB: Batchelor ------ Houli
C: Newman Martin Conca
HF: ------ Riewoldt Foley
F: Nahas Vickery ------
Foll: Maric Cotchin Deledio
Int: Grigg Edwards Ellis
Sub: ------
Need another key defender, third tall forward and two more mids.
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Here is my 22 for Round 1:
FB houli rance newman
HB grimes post batchelor
C edwards cotchin conca
HF ellis griffiths webberley
FF vickery reiwoldt nahas
FOLL maric martin deledio
INT helbig jackson foley astbury
King is suspended Round 1 and Webberley brought in.
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I couldn't see Morris being a lock in for round 1 at this stage. he hasnt even played in a practice match at this level.
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Morris will play Round 1 barring injury
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Not saying he wont play jacko, just that i cant see him him being a lock in at this stage. he still has to prove he can step up to this level.
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Morris is out-training all other newbies and most of the established players.
He will be a lock for round 1.
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2 months from the first game and a bloke who has never even played at this level is a "lock in" as far as the coaches are concerned, based on pre-season training?
I would be both surprised and disappointed if that was the case.
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Not saying he wont play jacko, just that i cant see him him being a lock in at this stage. he still has to prove he can step up to this level.
Is a lock in ;)
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based on what?
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2 months from the first game and a bloke who has never even played at this level is a "lock in" as far as the coaches are concerned, based on pre-season training?
I would be both surprised and disappointed if that was the case.
Why? they have guarantee Maric a game Round 1, and last time I seen him, he cant play
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2 months from the first game and a bloke who has never even played at this level is a "lock in" as far as the coaches are concerned, based on pre-season training?
I would be both surprised and disappointed if that was the case.
I agree, he's a mature aged recruit shouldn't be guaranteed anything
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just my opinion but i only count 8 who are lock ins. they are players who are clearly in front of everyone else or there are no other real options for the role.
we cant replace deledio, cotchin, martin, foley, in the midfield. we wont replace our captain newman. jack is a lock and id say so is vickery two tall forwards. rance is a lock as quite simply put there is no one else capable or ready to play fb.grimes not ready and only rookieright who looks like a fb.
other than those 8 id say there is genuine competition for the other spots.
chb - griffiths, astbury. post, mcguane.
third tall - grimes moore darrou, the first two both coming off injuries and may not be right for rnd 1. grimes if fit probably has it locked up as there arent many other options. thats 9 lock ins.
kpf or third tall. - miller, griffiths, elton, astbury.
sml/med defenders - batchelor, dea,ellis, morris, webberley, verrier, heslin. houli, deledio, they are all not lock ins.deledio and houli are likely to play elswhere. batchelor is coming a good first yr and would have front running. so add batchelor, thats 10 lock ins.
rucks - maric, derikx, graham, brown, based on his record i dont see maric as an automatic selection.
sml/med for. king, maric, turner, macdonald, ohanlon, connors, conca, white most would say king is a lock. but i say hes in competition.conca a part of midfield rotations.
the rest of the mids - ellis, houli, jackson, arnott, nahas, grigg, edwards, helbig, conca, tuck, probably need 3 to 5 as part of rotations. nahas houli and tuck have clearly shown their worth over the others. ellis will be given plenty of games and conca will be given games.
so lockins if fit are
b grimes - rance - newman
hb ***** - ***** - batchelor
c deledio - cotchin - *****
hf ***** - riewoldt - *****
f vickery - ***** - *****
r ***** - martin - foley
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for me 12 spots up for grabs. theres two or three that are likely but they at least have some competition.
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2 months from the first game and a bloke who has never even played at this level is a "lock in" as far as the coaches are concerned, based on pre-season training?
I would be both surprised and disappointed if that was the case.
Why? they have guarantee Maric a game Round 1, and last time I seen him, he cant play
Once again you muddy the waters with red herrings.
that is your opinion of Maric which differs from the club's. he has at least traded his wares at AFL level and the club believes he can play otherwise they wouldnt have targeted and traded for him.
Morris has not even kicked a ball in anger at AFl level, not even a practice match.
He is untried and unknown, at this point.
That is the difference.
Can you tell me what Morris has done that would guarantee him a game come rnd 1, regardless of NAB cup form?
Just out of curiosity, are you one of the people who questioned giving traded recruits like houli, grigg and maric low numbers because you felt they hadn't earned them?
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facts are the Maric was extremely poor at the Crows.
fact
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facts are the Maric was extremely poor at the Crows.
fact
How could that possibly be a 'fact'?
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3 kicks 2 marks as an average per game over 6 years.
70 odd games in that period.
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Oh, I now i get it. sorry for being slow on the uptake Jacky boy.
Q: What has Morris done to earn a spot rnd one, 2 months out, regardless of NAB cup form?
A: Maric averaged 3 kicks and 2 marks while at the crows.
I cant believe the penny didn't drop sooner.
::)
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2 months from the first game and a bloke who has never even played at this level is a "lock in" as far as the coaches are concerned, based on pre-season training?
I would be both surprised and disappointed if that was the case.
Why? they have guarantee Maric a game Round 1, and last time I seen him, he cant play
Once again you muddy the waters with red herrings.
that is your opinion of Maric which differs from the club's. he has at least traded his wares at AFL level and the club believes he can play otherwise they wouldnt have targeted and traded for him.
Morris has not even kicked a ball in anger at AFl level, not even a practice match.
He is untried and unknown, at this point.
That is the difference.
Can you tell me what Morris has done that would guarantee him a game come rnd 1, regardless of NAB cup form?
Just out of curiosity, are you one of the people who questioned giving traded recruits like houli, grigg and maric low numbers because you felt they hadn't earned them?
a month away and big Al is at it again.
So okay Morris hasnt performed at AFL level. WHO gives a toss. Neither has most other untried new recruits yet a fair few still play rd 1.
If they show pre season form then they deserve every chance to play.
Jackon as an example doesn't perform at training yet still gets gifted games so your theory is well flawed.
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Oh, I now i get it. sorry for being slow on the uptake Jacky boy.
Q: What has Morris done to earn a spot rnd one, 2 months out, regardless of NAB cup form?
A: Maric averaged 3 kicks and 2 marks while at the crows.
I cant believe the penny didn't drop sooner.
::)
Hardwick quoted the following, ''Maric was assured of getting a game round 1, unless he broke his leg
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2 months from the first game and a bloke who has never even played at this level is a "lock in" as far as the coaches are concerned, based on pre-season training?
I would be both surprised and disappointed if that was the case.
Why? they have guarantee Maric a game Round 1, and last time I seen him, he cant play
Once again you muddy the waters with red herrings.
that is your opinion of Maric which differs from the club's. he has at least traded his wares at AFL level and the club believes he can play otherwise they wouldnt have targeted and traded for him.
Morris has not even kicked a ball in anger at AFl level, not even a practice match.
He is untried and unknown, at this point.
That is the difference.
Can you tell me what Morris has done that would guarantee him a game come rnd 1, regardless of NAB cup form?
Just out of curiosity, are you one of the people who questioned giving traded recruits like houli, grigg and maric low numbers because you felt they hadn't earned them?
a month away and big Al is at it again.
So okay Morris hasnt performed at AFL level. WHO gives a toss. Neither has most other untried new recruits yet a fair few still play rd 1.
If they show pre season form then they deserve every chance to play.
Jackon as an example doesn't perform at training yet still gets gifted games so your theory is well flawed.
sorry daniel, I didn't realise english was your second language.
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Oh, I now i get it. sorry for being slow on the uptake Jacky boy.
Q: What has Morris done to earn a spot rnd one, 2 months out, regardless of NAB cup form?
A: Maric averaged 3 kicks and 2 marks while at the crows.
I cant believe the penny didn't drop sooner.
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Hardwick quoted the following, ''Maric was assured of getting a game round 1, unless he broke his leg
:lol
...and here i was thinking we were talking about Morris
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Am pretty sure Jacky boy is the one who once posted he was stupid and knew nothing about football Al (soneones sig). So dont get too worked up
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Am pretty sure Jacky boy is the one who once posted he was stupid and knew nothing about football Al (soneones sig). So dont get too worked up
Gotta luv your work ::)
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2 months from the first game and a bloke who has never even played at this level is a "lock in" as far as the coaches are concerned, based on pre-season training?
I would be both surprised and disappointed if that was the case.
Why? they have guarantee Maric a game Round 1, and last time I seen him, he cant play
Once again you muddy the waters with red herrings.
that is your opinion of Maric which differs from the club's. he has at least traded his wares at AFL level and the club believes he can play otherwise they wouldnt have targeted and traded for him.
Morris has not even kicked a ball in anger at AFl level, not even a practice match.
He is untried and unknown, at this point.
That is the difference.
Can you tell me what Morris has done that would guarantee him a game come rnd 1, regardless of NAB cup form?
Just out of curiosity, are you one of the people who questioned giving traded recruits like houli, grigg and maric low numbers because you felt they hadn't earned them?
a month away and big Al is at it again.
So okay Morris hasnt performed at AFL level. WHO gives a toss. Neither has most other untried new recruits yet a fair few still play rd 1.
If they show pre season form then they deserve every chance to play.
Jackon as an example doesn't perform at training yet still gets gifted games so your theory is well flawed.
sorry daniel, I didn't realise english was your second language.
personal insults always a great deflection.
:thumbsup
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just my opinion but i only count 8 who are lock ins. they are players who are clearly in front of everyone else or there are no other real options for the role.
we cant replace deledio, cotchin, martin, foley, in the midfield. we wont replace our captain newman. jack is a lock and id say so is vickery two tall forwards. rance is a lock as quite simply put there is no one else capable or ready to play fb.grimes not ready and only rookieright who looks like a fb.
other than those 8 id say there is genuine competition for the other spots.
chb - griffiths, astbury. post, mcguane.
third tall - grimes moore darrou, the first two both coming off injuries and may not be right for rnd 1. grimes if fit probably has it locked up as there arent many other options. thats 9 lock ins.
kpf or third tall. - miller, griffiths, elton, astbury.
sml/med defenders - batchelor, dea,ellis, morris, webberley, verrier, heslin. houli, deledio, they are all not lock ins.deledio and houli are likely to play elswhere. batchelor is coming a good first yr and would have front running. so add batchelor, thats 10 lock ins.
rucks - maric, derikx, graham, brown, based on his record i dont see maric as an automatic selection.
sml/med for. king, maric, turner, macdonald, ohanlon, connors, conca, white most would say king is a lock. but i say hes in competition.conca a part of midfield rotations.
the rest of the mids - ellis, houli, jackson, arnott, nahas, grigg, edwards, helbig, conca, tuck, probably need 3 to 5 as part of rotations. nahas houli and tuck have clearly shown their worth over the others. ellis will be given plenty of games and conca will be given games.
so lockins if fit are
b grimes - rance - newman
hb ***** - ***** - batchelor
c deledio - cotchin - *****
hf ***** - riewoldt - *****
f vickery - ***** - *****
r ***** - martin - foley
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for me 12 spots up for grabs. theres two or three that are likely but they at least have some competition.
i reckon that one B Houli will play round 1 and right on through till round 23
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2 months from the first game and a bloke who has never even played at this level is a "lock in" as far as the coaches are concerned, based on pre-season training?
I would be both surprised and disappointed if that was the case.
Why? they have guarantee Maric a game Round 1, and last time I seen him, he cant play
Once again you muddy the waters with red herrings.
that is your opinion of Maric which differs from the club's. he has at least traded his wares at AFL level and the club believes he can play otherwise they wouldnt have targeted and traded for him.
Morris has not even kicked a ball in anger at AFl level, not even a practice match.
He is untried and unknown, at this point.
That is the difference.
Can you tell me what Morris has done that would guarantee him a game come rnd 1, regardless of NAB cup form?
Just out of curiosity, are you one of the people who questioned giving traded recruits like houli, grigg and maric low numbers because you felt they hadn't earned them?
a month away and big Al is at it again.
So okay Morris hasnt performed at AFL level. WHO gives a toss. Neither has most other untried new recruits yet a fair few still play rd 1.
If they show pre season form then they deserve every chance to play.
Jackon as an example doesn't perform at training yet still gets gifted games so your theory is well flawed.
sorry daniel, I didn't realise english was your second language.
personal insults always a great deflection.
:thumbsup
If you had slagged off at me about the topic being discussed i may have bothered to respond properly, but we were not discussing if Morris would actually play rnd 1, just if he was already a lock in to do so according to the coaches. You either didn't bother to read the thread or couldn't comprehend what was being said.
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Oh, I now i get it. sorry for being slow on the uptake Jacky boy.
Q: What has Morris done to earn a spot rnd one, 2 months out, regardless of NAB cup form?
A: Maric averaged 3 kicks and 2 marks while at the crows.
I cant believe the penny didn't drop sooner.
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:lol
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2 months from the first game and a bloke who has never even played at this level is a "lock in" as far as the coaches are concerned, based on pre-season training?
I would be both surprised and disappointed if that was the case.
Why? they have guarantee Maric a game Round 1, and last time I seen him, he cant play
Once again you muddy the waters with red herrings.
that is your opinion of Maric which differs from the club's. he has at least traded his wares at AFL level and the club believes he can play otherwise they wouldnt have targeted and traded for him.
Morris has not even kicked a ball in anger at AFl level, not even a practice match.
He is untried and unknown, at this point.
That is the difference.
Can you tell me what Morris has done that would guarantee him a game come rnd 1, regardless of NAB cup form?
Just out of curiosity, are you one of the people who questioned giving traded recruits like houli, grigg and maric low numbers because you felt they hadn't earned them?
hmm what has morris done at afl level to warrant a game pretty silly question seeing hes never been in the afl system.
but what has he done and what has he shown as a player.
well at sanfl level id say he showed heaps in fact unlike many of our players hes managed to perform and dominate at the next level down. he did so well port went after him forcing us to down grade our first rnd pick.
what attributes does he bring. well hes quick hes a good size hes accountable and he has decent skills. hes also 23 and ready to go. finally we went after him to do a job or perform a role. its a role that we have been so poor at that the likes of milne gartlett betts and any other half decent small forward has bent us over and given us a right royal shafting.
yep he may not be a lock in but one would say theres every chance he will play early games to either lock down on troublesome forwards or perform a tagging role thru the midfield two things we have been lousy at.we actually traded for him we did it for a reason.
as for ivan maric. all the supporters can judge him on is his record. his record is not that great . while he has the front running surely he is not a lock in for the job. we need vickery to take strides as a ruckman and we need someone like tom derickx to step up and put pressure on maric because if he offeers up what hes offered up at the crows it simply wont be good enough.
again hes likely to be given a go early like morris we went and got this bloke for a reason.
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just my opinion but i only count 8 who are lock ins. they are players who are clearly in front of everyone else or there are no other real options for the role.
we cant replace deledio, cotchin, martin, foley, in the midfield. we wont replace our captain newman. jack is a lock and id say so is vickery two tall forwards. rance is a lock as quite simply put there is no one else capable or ready to play fb.grimes not ready and only rookieright who looks like a fb.
other than those 8 id say there is genuine competition for the other spots.
chb - griffiths, astbury. post, mcguane.
third tall - grimes moore darrou, the first two both coming off injuries and may not be right for rnd 1. grimes if fit probably has it locked up as there arent many other options. thats 9 lock ins.
kpf or third tall. - miller, griffiths, elton, astbury.
sml/med defenders - batchelor, dea,ellis, morris, webberley, verrier, heslin. houli, deledio, they are all not lock ins.deledio and houli are likely to play elswhere. batchelor is coming a good first yr and would have front running. so add batchelor, thats 10 lock ins.
rucks - maric, derikx, graham, brown, based on his record i dont see maric as an automatic selection.
sml/med for. king, maric, turner, macdonald, ohanlon, connors, conca, white most would say king is a lock. but i say hes in competition.conca a part of midfield rotations.
the rest of the mids - ellis, houli, jackson, arnott, nahas, grigg, edwards, helbig, conca, tuck, probably need 3 to 5 as part of rotations. nahas houli and tuck have clearly shown their worth over the others. ellis will be given plenty of games and conca will be given games.
so lockins if fit are
b grimes - rance - newman
hb ***** - ***** - batchelor
c deledio - cotchin - *****
hf ***** - riewoldt - *****
f vickery - ***** - *****
r ***** - martin - foley
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for me 12 spots up for grabs. theres two or three that are likely but they at least have some competition.
i reckon that one B Houli will play round 1 and right on through till round 23
tossed him up based on his season. decided against it. one good season does not make a player.
besides he has genuine competition if hes to play down back. newman is a lockin , batchelor is another lock in, that leaves houli fighting with morris dea ellis for one spot.. its just my opinion but i think houli will go into a midfield role this yr but again hes got competition. deledio foley, cotchin, martin, conca, helbig, grigg, tuck, ellis, nahas.
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craw, i agree with what you generally say in reply to my quote, but you have missed the context of what being discussed . You are right though, asking what Morris has done at AFL level would be a very silly question and i am glad I was not silly enough to actually ask that.
Nor was I was never discussing Ivan, that was bought into the conversation as part of jacky's smoke and mirror trick he is so good at playing.
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Nor was I was never discussing Ivan, that was bought into the conversation as part of jacky's smoke and mirror trick he is so good at playing.
He's actually not that good at it Al, we all see through it all the time! ;D
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just my opinion but i only count 8 who are lock ins. they are players who are clearly in front of everyone else or there are no other real options for the role.
we cant replace deledio, cotchin, martin, foley, in the midfield. we wont replace our captain newman. jack is a lock and id say so is vickery two tall forwards. rance is a lock as quite simply put there is no one else capable or ready to play fb.grimes not ready and only rookieright who looks like a fb.
other than those 8 id say there is genuine competition for the other spots.
chb - griffiths, astbury. post, mcguane.
third tall - grimes moore darrou, the first two both coming off injuries and may not be right for rnd 1. grimes if fit probably has it locked up as there arent many other options. thats 9 lock ins.
kpf or third tall. - miller, griffiths, elton, astbury.
sml/med defenders - batchelor, dea,ellis, morris, webberley, verrier, heslin. houli, deledio, they are all not lock ins.deledio and houli are likely to play elswhere. batchelor is coming a good first yr and would have front running. so add batchelor, thats 10 lock ins.
rucks - maric, derikx, graham, brown, based on his record i dont see maric as an automatic selection.
sml/med for. king, maric, turner, macdonald, ohanlon, connors, conca, white most would say king is a lock. but i say hes in competition.conca a part of midfield rotations.
the rest of the mids - ellis, houli, jackson, arnott, nahas, grigg, edwards, helbig, conca, tuck, probably need 3 to 5 as part of rotations. nahas houli and tuck have clearly shown their worth over the others. ellis will be given plenty of games and conca will be given games.
so lockins if fit are
b grimes - rance - newman
hb ***** - ***** - batchelor
c deledio - cotchin - *****
hf ***** - riewoldt - *****
f vickery - ***** - *****
r ***** - martin - foley
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for me 12 spots up for grabs. theres two or three that are likely but they at least have some competition.
i reckon that one B Houli will play round 1 and right on through till round 23
tossed him up based on his season. decided against it. one good season does not make a player.
besides he has genuine competition if hes to play down back. newman is a lockin , batchelor is another lock in, that leaves houli fighting with morris dea ellis for one spot.. its just my opinion but i think houli will go into a midfield role this yr but again hes got competition. deledio foley, cotchin, martin, conca, helbig, grigg, tuck, ellis, nahas.
Based on training reports it sounds as if Newy is heading to the midfield/wing so that would leave the spot open for Houli as a rebounding HB. I also hope Grigg and Tucky aren't still major role players in our midfield as Grigg's kicking is suspect while Tucky slows down the play and bombs the ball.
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The Claw, on the one hand you post that Houli is no lock on the basis of one very good season not being enough seasons at a level to be considered a lock but then put batch in :huh
Houli is an absolute lock as will be Batch and most probably Conca who was injured with groin problems from the middle of last year. Very excited to see all 3 continue to develop this year
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On B&F results alone, Houli is more of a lock in than over 7/8th of the rest of squad including Batchelor, Conca, Foley, etc. He may have only performed in one year so far but that year was 1) last year and 2) his first year at our club. He deserves his place hands down at the start of 2012.
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On B&F results alone, Houli is more of a lock in than over 7/8th of the rest of squad including Batchelor, Conca, Foley, etc. He may have only performed in one year so far but that year was 1) last year and 2) his first year at our club. He deserves his place hands down at the start of 2012.
Totally agree with you there Stripes :clapping