10 spots still up for grabs for round 1 side: Leppitsch (Herald-Sun)

[gerkin greg]

Oh, I now i get it. sorry for being slow on the uptake Jacky boy.

Q: What has Morris done to earn a spot rnd one, 2 months out, regardless of NAB cup form?

A: Maric averaged 3 kicks and 2 marks while at the crows.
 
I cant believe the penny didn't drop sooner.
 

 

[the claw]

2 months from the first game and a bloke who has never even played at this level is a "lock in" as far as the coaches are concerned, based on pre-season training?

I would be both surprised and disappointed if that was the case.

Why? they have guarantee Maric a game Round 1, and last time I seen him, he cant play

Once again you muddy the waters with red herrings.

that is your opinion of Maric which differs from the club's. he has at least traded his wares at AFL level and the club believes he can play otherwise they wouldnt have targeted and traded for him.

Morris has not even kicked a ball in anger at AFl level, not even a practice match.
He is untried and unknown, at this point.

That is the difference.

Can you tell me what Morris has done that would guarantee him a game come rnd 1, regardless of NAB cup form?

Just out of curiosity, are you one of the people who questioned giving traded recruits like houli, grigg and maric low numbers because you felt they hadn't earned them?

hmm what has morris done at afl level to warrant a game pretty silly question seeing hes never been in the afl system.

but what has he done and what has he shown as a player.
well at sanfl level id say he showed heaps in fact unlike many of our players hes managed to perform and dominate at the next level down. he did so well port went after him forcing us to down grade our first rnd pick.
what attributes does he bring.  well hes quick hes a good size  hes accountable and he has decent skills.  hes also 23 and ready to go.  finally we went after him to do a job or perform a role. its a role that we have been so poor at that the likes of milne gartlett betts and any other half decent small forward  has  bent us over and given us a right royal shafting.

yep he may not be a lock in but one would say theres every chance he will play early games to either lock down on troublesome forwards or perform a tagging role thru the midfield two things we have been  lousy at.we actually traded for him we did it for a reason.

as for ivan maric. all the supporters can judge him on is his record. his record is not that great . while he has the front running surely he is not a lock in for the job. we need vickery to take strides as a ruckman and we need someone like tom derickx to step up and put pressure on maric because if he offeers up what hes offered up at the crows it simply wont be good enough.
again hes likely to be given a go early like morris we went and got this bloke for a reason.

[the claw]

just my opinion but i only count 8 who are lock ins. they are players who are clearly in front of everyone else or there are no other real options for the role.

we cant replace deledio, cotchin, martin, foley, in the midfield. we wont replace our captain newman. jack is a lock and id say so is vickery two tall forwards. rance is a lock as quite simply put there is no one else capable or ready to play fb.grimes not ready and only rookieright who looks like a fb.

other than  those 8 id say there is genuine competition for the other spots.

chb - griffiths, astbury. post, mcguane.

third tall - grimes moore darrou, the first two both coming off injuries and may not be right for rnd 1. grimes if fit probably has it locked up as there arent many other options. thats 9 lock ins.

kpf or third tall. - miller, griffiths, elton, astbury.

sml/med defenders - batchelor, dea,ellis, morris, webberley, verrier, heslin.  houli, deledio, they are all not lock ins.deledio and houli are likely to play elswhere. batchelor is coming a good first yr and would have front running. so add batchelor, thats 10 lock ins.

rucks - maric, derikx, graham, brown, based on his record i dont see maric as an automatic selection.

sml/med for.  king, maric, turner, macdonald, ohanlon, connors, conca,  white  most would say king is a lock. but i say hes in competition.conca a part of midfield rotations.

the rest of the mids - ellis, houli, jackson, arnott, nahas, grigg, edwards, helbig, conca,  tuck, probably need 3 to 5 as part of rotations.  nahas houli and tuck have clearly shown their worth over the others. ellis will be given plenty of games and conca will be given games.

so lockins if fit are
b  grimes -  rance -  newman
hb ***** - ***** - batchelor
c  deledio - cotchin - *****
hf ***** - riewoldt - *****
f  vickery -  ***** - *****
r ***** - martin - foley
int/

for me 12 spots up for grabs. theres two or three that are likely but they at least have some competition.

 i reckon that one B Houli will play round 1 and right on through till round 23

tossed him up based on his season. decided against it. one good season does not make a player.
besides he has genuine competition if hes to play down back. newman is a lockin , batchelor is another lock in, that leaves houli  fighting with morris dea ellis for one spot.. its just my opinion but i think houli will go into a midfield role this yr but again hes got competition. deledio foley, cotchin, martin, conca, helbig, grigg, tuck, ellis, nahas.

[Penelope]

craw, i agree with what you generally say in reply to my quote, but you have missed the context of what being discussed . You are right though, asking what Morris has done at AFL level would be a very silly question and i am glad I was not silly enough to actually ask that.

Nor was I was never discussing Ivan, that was bought into the conversation as part of jacky's smoke and mirror trick he is so good at playing.

[Smokey]

Nor was I was never discussing Ivan, that was bought into the conversation as part of jacky's smoke and mirror trick he is so good at playing.

He's actually not that good at it Al, we all see through it all the time! 

[mightytiges]

just my opinion but i only count 8 who are lock ins. they are players who are clearly in front of everyone else or there are no other real options for the role.

we cant replace deledio, cotchin, martin, foley, in the midfield. we wont replace our captain newman. jack is a lock and id say so is vickery two tall forwards. rance is a lock as quite simply put there is no one else capable or ready to play fb.grimes not ready and only rookieright who looks like a fb.

other than  those 8 id say there is genuine competition for the other spots.

chb - griffiths, astbury. post, mcguane.

third tall - grimes moore darrou, the first two both coming off injuries and may not be right for rnd 1. grimes if fit probably has it locked up as there arent many other options. thats 9 lock ins.

kpf or third tall. - miller, griffiths, elton, astbury.

sml/med defenders - batchelor, dea,ellis, morris, webberley, verrier, heslin.  houli, deledio, they are all not lock ins.deledio and houli are likely to play elswhere. batchelor is coming a good first yr and would have front running. so add batchelor, thats 10 lock ins.

rucks - maric, derikx, graham, brown, based on his record i dont see maric as an automatic selection.

sml/med for.  king, maric, turner, macdonald, ohanlon, connors, conca,  white  most would say king is a lock. but i say hes in competition.conca a part of midfield rotations.

the rest of the mids - ellis, houli, jackson, arnott, nahas, grigg, edwards, helbig, conca,  tuck, probably need 3 to 5 as part of rotations.  nahas houli and tuck have clearly shown their worth over the others. ellis will be given plenty of games and conca will be given games.

so lockins if fit are
b  grimes -  rance -  newman
hb ***** - ***** - batchelor
c  deledio - cotchin - *****
hf ***** - riewoldt - *****
f  vickery -  ***** - *****
r ***** - martin - foley
int/

for me 12 spots up for grabs. theres two or three that are likely but they at least have some competition.

 i reckon that one B Houli will play round 1 and right on through till round 23

tossed him up based on his season. decided against it. one good season does not make a player.
besides he has genuine competition if hes to play down back. newman is a lockin , batchelor is another lock in, that leaves houli  fighting with morris dea ellis for one spot.. its just my opinion but i think houli will go into a midfield role this yr but again hes got competition. deledio foley, cotchin, martin, conca, helbig, grigg, tuck, ellis, nahas.

Based on training reports it sounds as if Newy is heading to the midfield/wing so that would leave the spot open for Houli as a rebounding HB. I also hope Grigg and Tucky aren't still major role players in our midfield as Grigg's kicking is suspect while Tucky slows down the play and bombs the ball.

[Hard Roar Tiger]

The Claw, on the one hand you post that Houli is no lock on the basis of one very good season not being enough seasons at a level to be considered a lock but then put batch in
Houli is an absolute lock as will be Batch and most probably Conca who was injured with groin problems from the middle of last year. Very excited to see all 3 continue to develop this year

[Stripes]

On B&F results alone, Houli is more of a lock in than over 7/8th of the rest of squad including Batchelor, Conca, Foley, etc. He may have only performed in one year so far but that year was 1) last year and 2) his first year at our club. He deserves his place hands down at the start of 2012.

[WilliamPowell]

On B&F results alone, Houli is more of a lock in than over 7/8th of the rest of squad including Batchelor, Conca, Foley, etc. He may have only performed in one year so far but that year was 1) last year and 2) his first year at our club. He deserves his place hands down at the start of 2012.

Totally agree with you there Stripes