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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: FNM on February 22, 2012, 05:31:40 PM
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About time :thumbsup
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About time :thumbsup
its only a mattter of time now that he challenges gillard for the leadership. By resigning his ministry he has time to speak to all members whilst slumming it on the back bench.
As much as i dont like gillard we all remember how hopeless kevin '07 was so bad his own party couldnt wait to ditch him because they "lost their way".
The problem we as a country have is that as long as this joke of a party is in control of government we are doomed to insipidnous & no leadership. The sooner they call an election the better this country will be.
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About time :thumbsup
its only a mattter of time now that he challenges gillard for the leadership. By resigning his ministry he has time to speak to all members whilst slumming it on the back bench.
As much as i dont like gillard we all remember how hopeless kevin '07 was so bad his own party couldnt wait to ditch him because they "lost their way".
The problem we as a country have is that as long as this joke of a party is in control of government we are doomed to insipidnous & no leadership. The sooner they call an election the better this country will be.
Doubt there will be challenge he simply doesn't have the numbers now and is unlikely too in the future
He needs 52 votes for memory, he'd be lucky to have 30...
And there wont be an election ;D Nor should there be as I've said many times we have as a nation what we voted for ;D We might not like it but we collectively voted for it, suck it up and live with it ;D
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I actually think they both should resign.
She might have the support of the party but not the people
Crean's now got himself tarnished and been there done that.
Stephen Smith is the only option and I've followed him a bit - quality guy
Windsor threatens to go to an election if they dump Julia
Might be on!
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Certainly interesting times for all the poltical nuts amongst us.
Worst possible sceranario for Abbott is to have Rudd win the spill and call an election with a very short lead up time.
The Libs would go to an election with no policies ready and with the public wanting to give poor hardly done Rudd another go.
:lol
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Certainly interesting times for all the poltical nuts amongst us.
Worst possible sceranario for Abbott is to have Rudd win the spill and call an election with a very short lead up time.
The Libs would go to an election with no policies ready and with the public wanting to give poor hardly done Rudd another go.
:lol
...especially if Rudd comes out promising to ditch that big evil Cabon Tax thing.
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Hey 65 why are you replying to yourself :lol Labor is stuffed from dodgy climate change policies back to pink bats that catch fire burn down peoples houses and kill people. Well done Labor! :clapping Doin a great job :lol
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Hey 65 why are you replying to yourself :lol
Just adding another piece of wisdom to my post.
:lol
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Too many chiefs and not enough Indians.
Funny thing in the likely scenario where Labor loses the next election both Julia and Kevin may retire from politics and neither will have the chance to snip and a couple of by elections post the federal election. Kevin will become a High Commissioner somewhere or get a cushy embassy and Julia will live in the spare room above Tim's salon.
Julia has destroyed the Labor party for the next 10 years.
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:lol
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Julia will go down as Australia's worst Prime Minister. :help
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Leadership ballot on Monday :thumbsup
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About time :thumbsup
its only a mattter of time now that he challenges gillard for the leadership. By resigning his ministry he has time to speak to all members whilst slumming it on the back bench.
As much as i dont like gillard we all remember how hopeless kevin '07 was so bad his own party couldnt wait to ditch him because they "lost their way".
The problem we as a country have is that as long as this joke of a party is in control of government we are doomed to insipidnous & no leadership. The sooner they call an election the better this country will be.
Doubt there will be challenge he simply doesn't have the numbers now and is unlikely too in the future
He needs 52 votes for memory, he'd be lucky to have 30...
And there wont be an election ;D Nor should there be as I've said many times we have as a nation what we voted for ;D We might not like it but we collectively voted for it, suck it up and live with it ;D
Live with the fact we were screwed in every way. No chance.
we voted for a government that said there was to be no carbon tax, now there is.
I hope Rudd bends Gillard over and gets the numbers. Even Bolt is applauding Rudd's move.
Rudd or Gillard as opposition ill take Rudd any day of the week. Gillard is an embarrassment to herself and our country.
Il tell you what if Rudd challenges and wins and declares the carbon tax is off the agenda it will be game on, especially if Abbott hangs around
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GIllard is hell bent on destroying Kevin's credibility and status to the point of no return.
He's already been bent over and resigned a ballot on Monday merely bends him over once again for the Labor caucus to confirm their superiority.
She has gone back on everything and will pay for it in the squillions at the next election.
The next elections will be the biggest loss by a sitting government in history more than Whitlam's defeat in 75 after The Dismissal.
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Leadership ballot on Monday :thumbsup
Will be a spill but I doubt a ballot
To have a ballot you need more than one candidate ;D
Rudd doesn't have the numbers and most likely wont get the numbers so he wont nominate
One candidate elected unopposed
And BTW the fact that Bolt is applauding Rudd's latest "move" should be enough to send Labor Caucus members voting for Gillard ;D
Stephen Smith is the only option and I've followed him a bit - quality guy
Agree with your here FNM - best option Labor has IMHO, experienced, holding a tough portfolio, only problem alot of the electorate wouldn't have a clue who he is because he's from WA
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Gillard is a disgrace. Someone pee her off...please
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Bill Shorten
A very clever man.
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Bill Shorten
A very clever man.
:thumbsup
Agree but one he is too inexperienced and two there is a conflict of interest (perceived) in that his mother-in-law is Governor General & three some consider him one of the "faceless" men
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Bill Shorten
A very clever man.
:thumbsup
Agree but one he is too inexperienced and two there is a conflict of interest (perceived) in that his mother-in-law is Governor General & three some consider him one of the "faceless" men
He would bring the workers back to the ALP in droves.
And he is clever enough to make Abbott look like the fool that he is.
:lol
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its only a mattter of time now that he challenges gillard for the leadership.
No chance.
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How can you run a party that hates you?
Can't see Rudd getting up
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How can you run a party that hates you?
Can't see Rudd getting up
that's why I keep saying there wont be a "Challenge"
Gillard will call a spill of all positions and then she will be the only candidate for leader, Rudd WONT put his hand up because he knows he cannot win, he hasn't got the numbers
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What does Rudd's boyfriend have to say about this? Old Laurie ;D
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How can you run a party that hates you?
Can't see Rudd getting up
that's why I keep saying there wont be a "Challenge"
Gillard will call a spill of all positions and then she will be the only candidate for leader, Rudd WONT put his hand up because he knows he cannot win, he hasn't got the numbers
But the public hate her more, so damned if they keep her, damned if they don't.
What a mess :banghead
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And he is clever enough to make Abbott look like the fool that he is.
:lol
i didn't know you had to be clever to make abbott look like a fool :lol
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And he is clever enough to make Abbott look like the fool that he is.
:lol
i didn't know you had to be clever to make abbott look like a fool :lol
:thatsgold
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And he is clever enough to make Abbott look like the fool that he is.
:lol
i didn't know you had to be clever to make abbott look like a fool :lol
Tell that to the masses of morons that are going to vote for him
:lol
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And he is clever enough to make Abbott look like the fool that he is.
:lol
i didn't know you had to be clever to make abbott look like a fool :lol
Tell that to the masses of morons that are going to vote for him
:lol
Maybe so 1965 but the way the ALP are going at the moment Elmer Fudd could be running for the Libs and he'd win in a landslide also. ALP are a sad state of affairs.
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How can you run a party that hates you?
Can't see Rudd getting up
that's why I keep saying there wont be a "Challenge"
Gillard will call a spill of all positions and then she will be the only candidate for leader, Rudd WONT put his hand up because he knows he cannot win, he hasn't got the numbers
But the public hate her more, so damned if they keep her, damned if they don't.
What a mess :banghead
The 'public' aren't particularly fans of Abbott either. Gillard would be behind at the moment but it's not election time yet.
Hopefully once this Rudd muck is out of the way, politics in this country can get back to being about policy.
Tony has some work to do on that front.
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Nice try Kev, tossa - fired your last shot.
Budgie smuggler come on down ........
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Watching steven conroy on the today show this morning I realised just how much they hate Rudd. He didn't hold back at all on what he thought of him.
This party truly is in disarray. It's completely hopeless.
I can't wait for an election.
P.S
As bad as it is for them there's only one thing worse than the labor party at the moment ....
....The greens
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The 'public' aren't particularly fans of Abbott either. Gillard would be behind at the moment but it's not election time yet.
Hopefully once this Rudd muck is out of the way, politics in this country can get back to being about policy.
Tony has some work to do on that front.
This is true, that's why when the polls come out for "Preferred PM" they are always close and in more often than not Gillard is ahead. That says alot about what people think of Abbott
I will admit I lost all respect for Rudd back in 2010, firstly, at that fateful day at the National Press Club when Laurie Oakes started asking questions about what happened in the meeting between Rudd/Gillard.. someone leaked that info to Oakes and seeing there were only 2 people in the room a the time :whistle ;D and the way he has since tried to undermine the party he is suppsoedly so passionate about ....
That's why I enjoyed reading Swan's comments.. finally someone in the ALP having the guts to say publicly what the vast majority know & believe
And BTW does Abbott have a policy ;D
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And BTW does Abbott have a policy ;D
Of course he does, the usual one to get the racists firing, and that's to turn the boats back and feed the asylum seekers to the sharks lol
Real policies? No, not a cracker
A bit like Baillieu in Victoria, what a dud government this is turning out to be
:banghead
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The 'public' aren't particularly fans of Abbott either. Gillard would be behind at the moment but it's not election time yet.
Hopefully once this Rudd muck is out of the way, politics in this country can get back to being about policy.
Tony has some work to do on that front.
This is true, that's why when the polls come out for "Preferred PM" they are always close and in more often than not Gillard is ahead. That says alot about what people think of Abbott
I will admit I lost all respect for Rudd back in 2010, firstly, at that fateful day at the National Press Club when Laurie Oakes started asking questions about what happened in the meeting between Rudd/Gillard.. someone leaked that info to Oakes and seeing there were only 2 people in the room a the time :whistle ;D and the way he has since tried to undermine the party he is suppsoedly so passionate about ....
That's why I enjoyed reading Swan's comments.. finally someone in the ALP having the guts to say publicly what the vast majority know & believe
And BTW does Abbott have a policy ;D
Rudd and Laurie are a couple.
By stuff wouldn't it be good if Turnbull was leader of the opposition right now :thumbsup
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Bill shorten will lead labor to the next election, lock it in.
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I would be very surprised if there is a change of leadership.
The independents have a deal in place with gillard, and at least one has stated that this is not transferrable, so a change of leader could see a change of government.
If this did happen, it would leave the libs with not only a minority government, something that his very difficult to govern with, as we have seen, but also not controlling the senate.
Most probably this would lead to the libs governing towards a double dissolution.
who knows what effect this would have on the economy at a time when we are just managing to avoid the worlds economic turmoil.
even if the independants backed a no confidence vote, causing another election, the libs still may govern for a double dissolution when they win so we could have two elections within a matter of months.
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As others have said here, I think Turnbull would be a much better Liberal Leader than Abbott despite the fact that anyone could lead the Libs to victory over the current shambles that is the Labor Party.
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If Rudd does not stand up and be counted, it will be political suicide.
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The only reason why Rudd resigned was so he could drop to the backbench and start lobbying for numbers.
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Something he could not openly do on the front bench.
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Gillard to her credit, pick up on his "cunning plan" and called the vote on Monday to force his hand early and under prepared.
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And he is clever enough to make Abbott look like the fool that he is.
:lol
i didn't know you had to be clever to make abbott look like a fool :lol
Tell that to the masses of morons that are going to vote for him
:lol
Maybe so 1965 but the way the ALP are going at the moment Elmer Fudd could be running for the Libs and he'd win in a landslide also. ALP are a sad state of affairs.
Correct.
Whats going to be even more funnier than this, is watching the Libs completely destroy what little remaining heart beat the Labour party have left.
The next election is going to be one sweet day watching this dysfunctional group go down in history as the worse ever, never to be seen again for years to come.
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Fair dinkum, Gillard almost put me in a coma for most of that. Good on the bloke that peeed her off towards the end :lol
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And BTW does Abbott have a policy ;D
'The opposite of whatever Labor says.'
'Details Tony?'
'We'll work that out when we're elected'
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I would be very surprised if there is a change of leadership.
The independents have a deal in place with gillard, and at least one has stated that this is not transferrable, so a change of leader could see a change of government.
Correct and let's be honest a number of ALP members (and throw coalition MPs in as well) don't want an election before 2013 so they can qualify for "cushy" super entitlements you get if you serve more than 1 term, they want this minority govt to run it's full term ;D
As for Rudd, he says in one breath he hasn't made a decision on what he is going to do and will make an annoucment Sunday and then in the next breath half a world away he's saying he may challenge
Then to top it off his wife is out giving "pressers" as well telling people they should be phoning their local members saying they want Rudd as leader... I mean seriously.....
A bit like Baillieu in Victoria, what a dud government this is turning out to be
:banghead
I believe they are looking into it; it being what a policy actually is when they now they will inform their national colleagues ;D
Watching steven conroy on the today show this morning I realised just how much they hate Rudd. He didn't hold back at all on what he thought of him.
Yes alot in the ALP blame Rudd for the last election result because of the way he "sabotaged" the 2010 campaign and by leaking things to certian journos he did...
I've always been of the opinion that the moment Oakes got hold of that leak about "that" meeting the ALP's campaign went down the gurgurlar
I can't wait for an election.
Don't worry 2013 will come around quickly :thumbsup
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And BTW does Abbott have a policy ;D
'The opposite of whatever Labor says.'
'Details Tony?'
'We'll work that out when we're elected'
why should he say anything magic? Seriously would you?
He is laughing all the way to the bank. He just should sit back eat his popcorn and enjoy his free ride to the top of the mountain
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And BTW does Abbott have a policy ;D
'The opposite of whatever Labor says.'
'Details Tony?'
'We'll work that out when we're elected'
why should he say anything magic? Seriously would you?
He is laughing all the way to the bank. He just should sit back eat his popcorn and enjoy his free ride to the top of the mountain
No doubt it's worked for him up til now daniel but it's not election time.
He's been enjoying Labor's destabilisation from the front row.
It's been a free ride at the amusement park.
However I expect Rudd will get absolutely spanked on Monday as Labor colleagues recognise he is a big reason for many of the parties woes.
If Gillard is then able to get on with the job unhindered leading into the election, Tony will have to start putting some real policy together.
That can only be a good thing for the country whoever ends up elected..
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Abbott this morning on MMM said we need an election. Eddie asked if they even had policies yet and all he could say was "....*pause*.. Reduce government spending."
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any party that puts an ugly,dumb slut in charge,fully deserve it
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where you been ox :lol
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Abbott this morning on MMM said we need an election. Eddie asked if they even had policies yet and all he could say was "....*pause*.. Reduce government spending."
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And seeing he has stated he will repeal everything including a major tax reform that forms part of the carbon tax legislation (lifting in the tax threshold that is a major benefit to ALL Australians) then he has to reduce spending on EVERYTHING .. I mean really what else can he say when they don't have a policy on anything and the ones they had they cant' afford to fund?
BTW I really do hope people realise that by him repealing the carbon tax and everything associcated with it he intends by default make people pay more take ;D but that's a discussion for the 2013 election ;D
So back to the topic.....So if they get elected next time (2013) and when they've cut spending on defence, education, health not given any increase to pensioners and of course turf the major national disability insurance scheme that's due to introduced and phased in over the next 2 years*** in 2014 or 2015 I'll sit back and wait for the inevietable sooking from the masses (of which there will be plenty) who voted for it because that's what going to happen ;)
*** an important policy refrom from the current govt (which Abbot promised to bi-partisim support originally but has now reneged on) that is desperately neded in area so oftem neglected. Say what you like about the current PM but this is one of the most important reforms that this country needs and it will be Gillard's greatest (some may say onl) legacy.
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where you been ox :lol
I like to watch...
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any party that puts an ugly,dumb slut in charge,fully deserve it
Tony is certainly dumb and ugly but not so much a slut.
:lol
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where you been ox :lol
I like to watch...
Angus needs your support man
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The question for me is, if rudd happens to win back the leadership, who becomes treasurer? Surely he couldnt keep swan on after his comments about rudd, and really, swan has done a pretty good job.
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Correct.
Whats going to be even more funnier than this, is watching the Libs completely destroy what little remaining heart beat the Labour party have left.
The next election is going to be one sweet day watching this dysfunctional group go down in history as the worse ever, never to be seen again for years to come.
why should he say anything magic? Seriously would you?
He is laughing all the way to the bank. He just should sit back eat his popcorn and enjoy his free ride to the top of the mountain
If you think that having one major political part implode so that a buffoon can bradbury the top job is a good thing, then you must want to see the country go down the gurgler.
Ever heard of the saying "out of the frying pan and into the fire" ?
As a country you want good solid people on both sides of politics, both in government and in opposition.
As for thinking it is good if one political party ends up in the wilderness for an extended period, well, you are half way to a dictatorship when there is no real opposition for a long period of time.
It is scary how so many people view politics as if it is a football match. It highlights why voting should not be compulsory
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Labor are North Melbourne and Liberal are Carlton
The Democrats are Fitzroy and the Greens are on the WPGA tour
;D
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any party that puts an ugly,dumb slut in charge,fully deserve it
:clapping
Finally someone calls it as it is...for the most part.
She also has an a rse like Grimace and speaks like a twit.
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The question for me is, if rudd happens to win back the leadership, who becomes treasurer? Surely he couldnt keep swan on after his comments about rudd, and really, swan has done a pretty good job.
pretty good job?
Sorry but i dont count announcing to the country Australians should vote with their feet and move to a different lender, as being a very difficult thing to do.
the guy is a puppett and repeats the same crap every time i hear him. China this surplus by 2013, shame on banks etc etc
give me a spell useless fool
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Correct.
Whats going to be even more funnier than this, is watching the Libs completely destroy what little remaining heart beat the Labour party have left.
The next election is going to be one sweet day watching this dysfunctional group go down in history as the worse ever, never to be seen again for years to come.
why should he say anything magic? Seriously would you?
He is laughing all the way to the bank. He just should sit back eat his popcorn and enjoy his free ride to the top of the mountain
If you think that having one major political part implode so that a buffoon can bradbury the top job is a good thing, then you must want to see the country go down the gurgler.
Ever heard of the saying "out of the frying pan and into the fire" ?
As a country you want good solid people on both sides of politics, both in government and in opposition.
As for thinking it is good if one political party ends up in the wilderness for an extended period, well, you are half way to a dictatorship when there is no real opposition for a long period of time.
It is scary how so many people view politics as if it is a football match. It highlights why voting should not be compulsory
al you seem like a smart guy surely you can see Labour deserve everything that they get. We pay for leaders to lead our country not to put up with this farce we are seeing.
Abbott Bradbury..hahahaha
mate labour lost all credibility and any little hold they had on the next election when they introduced the C.T.
All this does is place further nails in the Labour coffins. They dont deserve to be in power for a very long time
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Gillard got one thing right today, Rudd is a great campaigner.
Watch him finish like Black Caviar.
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yep, and notice that his and his backers pitch is that he is most likely to win the next election, not be the best prime minister.
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The question for me is, if rudd happens to win back the leadership, who becomes treasurer? Surely he couldnt keep swan on after his comments about rudd, and really, swan has done a pretty good job.
pretty good job?
Sorry but i dont count announcing to the country Australians should vote with their feet and move to a different lender, as being a very difficult thing to do.
the guy is a puppett and repeats the same crap every time i hear him. China this surplus by 2013, shame on banks etc etc
give me a spell useless fool
Any chance you can tell us what he done wrong in managing the economy?
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Abbott this morning on MMM said we need an election. Eddie asked if they even had policies yet and all he could say was "....*pause*.. Reduce government spending."
::)
And seeing he has stated he will repeal everything including a major tax reform that forms part of the carbon tax legislation (lifting in the tax threshold that is a major benefit to ALL Australians) then he has to reduce spending on EVERYTHING .. I mean really what else can he say when they don't have a policy on anything and the ones they had they cant' afford to fund?
BTW I really do hope people realise that by him repealing the carbon tax and everything associcated with it he intends by default make people pay more take ;D but that's a discussion for the 2013 election ;D
So back to the topic.....So if they get elected next time (2013) and when they've cut spending on defence, education, health not given any increase to pensioners and of course turf the major national disability insurance scheme that's due to introduced and phased in over the next 2 years*** in 2014 or 2015 I'll sit back and wait for the inevietable sooking from the masses (of which there will be plenty) who voted for it because that's what going to happen ;)
*** an important policy refrom from the current govt (which Abbot promised to bi-partisim support originally but has now reneged on) that is desperately neded in area so oftem neglected. Say what you like about the current PM but this is one of the most important reforms that this country needs and it will be Gillard's greatest (some may say onl) legacy.
Don't forget, chuck the NBN and go back to dial up lol
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I'll be the first to stand & applaud mr Rudd for taking on the factions of the ALP.
The factions are the main problem with this party. Now you know what I meant when in previous posts I spoke of the 10 headed monster.
Well done Kevin let Australia know how divisive these factions actually are. :thumbsup
:clapping :clapping :clapping
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Rather ironic really as he seems to have been the one who has fed the media stories of instability since his disposition.
The ego of KRudd is something to behold. This isn't about what's best for the country, its what's best for him.
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Kim Beazley must laugh his head off when he hears how poor Kevin was knifed in the back by Julia ::)
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All I can say is we have very short memories. Rudd was a disaster.
People didn't take to the streets in protest when he was deposed. It was more like "Oh Well, glad that fool is gone. Maybe this new chick can breathe a bit of fresh air into the leadership." Little did we know at the time was that she suffers from a bad case of Halitosis! (and Flags, no that is not the name of a new Greek aligned Melbourne A League Franchise ;D)
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Anyone hoping Latham gets another crack at it?
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All I can say is we have very short memories. Rudd was a disaster.
People didn't take to the streets in protest when he was deposed. It was more like "Oh Well, glad that fool is gone. Maybe this new chick can breathe a bit of fresh air into the leadership." Little did we know at the time was that she suffers from a bad case of Halitosis! (and Flags, no that is not the name of a new Greek aligned Melbourne A League Franchise ;D)
Tiga I'm impressed with the cross reference. :lol :rollin :lol
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Anyone hoping Latham gets another crack at it?
That's all we need another nut in the asylum who wants to strut around with a white lab coat on.
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:lol
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If any of you don't think the factions of ALP are destroying the party just ask Maxine McKew.
She wouldn't get into bed with any of them.
http://www.news.com.au/features/federal-election/factional-brutes-brought-rudd-down-says-maxine-mckew/story-e6frfllr-1225887560933 (http://www.news.com.au/features/federal-election/factional-brutes-brought-rudd-down-says-maxine-mckew/story-e6frfllr-1225887560933)
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All I can say is we have very short memories. Rudd was a disaster.
People didn't take to the streets in protest when he was deposed. It was more like "Oh Well, glad that fool is gone. Maybe this new chick can breathe a bit of fresh air into the leadership." Little did we know at the time was that she suffers from a bad case of Halitosis! (and Flags, no that is not the name of a new Greek aligned Melbourne A League Franchise ;D)
yes I agree rudd was a disaster.
But I like his stance against the factional powerbrokers in the ALP.
But in terms of running the country the sooner we pee off this stupid party with it's stupid ideas & stupid waste of taxpayers money the better off we will all be in the long run.
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yes I agree rudd was a disaster.
But I like his stance against the factional powerbrokers in the ALP.
;D ;D
I am actually pleased on one had that finally the ALP are not pampering to Rudd's ego and trying to protect his reputation by finally telling us how incompetant he was as PM. That's why he was "knifed" as people called it.
On the other hand I wish they had done it early as in when he was given the flick as opposed to telling us 20 months after the event; perhaps things would be different now ;D
Very good article in the Age today about this very topic by David Marr.
See:
http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/total-candour-was-only-way-to-stop-him-20120223-1tqs9.html
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yes I agree rudd was a disaster.
But I like his stance against the factional powerbrokers in the ALP.
;D ;D
I am actually pleased on one had that finally the ALP are not pampering to Rudd's ego and trying to protect his reputation by finally telling us how incompetant he was as PM. That's why he was "knifed" as people called it.
On the other hand I wish they had done it early as in when he was given the flick as opposed to telling us 20 months after the event; perhaps things would be different now ;D
Very good article in the Age today about this very topic by David Marr.
See:
http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/total-candour-was-only-way-to-stop-him-20120223-1tqs9.html
I have read this article WP and the author & you yourself fail in identifying the underlying problem with the ALP. FACTIONS.
These factions are at constant war trying to appease their own political agenda. One man stands up to those factions & says NO!
No wonder he was supposedly hard to work with because he wouldn't bend over to their demands. So the powerbrokers had to put someone in that could & would bend over (enter Gillard).
So it's not that Rudd was hard to work with he wasn't pandering to the demands of 10 or so different factions who want everything their own way.
For this I applaud his stance & I hope he succeeds in his quest to ruin the stronghold of the factions.
I wish more members of the ALP who have been screwed over by the factions stand up & tell it how it is.
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If you don't think factions are a problem with the ALP you haven't read their constitution.
So maybe you could read this article instead.
http://m.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/read-the-us-cable-on-alp-factions-20101217-190f7.html (http://m.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/read-the-us-cable-on-alp-factions-20101217-190f7.html)
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I have read this article WP and the author & you yourself fail in identifying the underlying problem with the ALP. FACTIONS.
On the contrary Mr Tigra I have been saying for year the biggest problem in the ALP is the factions. Each of them wanting control has been the biggest single issue the party has had over the last 40 odd years. ;D
But in this case this isn't about factions because all the "factions" want the same thing and that's not Kevin.
And BTW Rudd had no problem turning to the factions to get him into the leadership in the first place. Funny about that...
If you can get a copy of last saturday's HUN and read Oakes' column which apart from being very funny with the comparisons to "The Three Stooges" (Coalition) and "The Marx Bros" (ALP) he actually speaks about how better things run now in Govt depts since Kev got the flick
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Hey 65 why are you replying to yourself :lol
Just adding another piece of wisdom to my post.
:lol
Not as good as my effort a couple of years ago which saw me actually agree with one of my own posts. Now thats how you add quality to a post. ;D
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All I can say is we have very short memories. Rudd was a disaster.
People didn't take to the streets in protest when he was deposed. It was more like "Oh Well, glad that fool is gone. Maybe this new chick can breathe a bit of fresh air into the leadership." Little did we know at the time was that she suffers from a bad case of Halitosis! (and Flags, no that is not the name of a new Greek aligned Melbourne A League Franchise ;D)
yes I agree rudd was a disaster.
But I like his stance against the factional powerbrokers in the ALP.
But in terms of running the country the sooner we pee off this stupid party with it's stupid ideas & stupid waste of taxpayers money the better off we will all be in the long run.
Rudd has his own factional powerbrokers. right now they're running around convincing, conniving, coercing, blackmailing?, as many people as possible to vote for rudd.
hopefully he loses on monday, effs off and we never hear from him again.
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After listening to Rudd last speech, other than the crap he said about Abbott (i noticed he didnt have any quotes regarding Abbotts supposed misogyny) i agreed with almost everything he said.
I truly believe that rudd is on track in giving the caucus the democrating right to vote the way they want without factional powerbrokers muscling them.
I personally was a member of a union for 19 years because i had to not because it was my choice but when we asked them to help us the union was useless. According to recent results unions only make up about 20% of the workforce but the ALP are ruled by union factionism .
If rudd can pull this off & allow true democracy to be apart of the ALP then i will possibly be able to vote for them again one day(if i agree with their policies). Although he'd want to change the ALP constitution first.
Well done K Rudd! I hope you can help revolutionise the party. Stick it up all those stupid factions.
:clapping :clapping :clapping
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All I can say is we have very short memories. Rudd was a disaster.
People didn't take to the streets in protest when he was deposed. It was more like "Oh Well, glad that fool is gone. Maybe this new chick can breathe a bit of fresh air into the leadership." Little did we know at the time was that she suffers from a bad case of Halitosis! (and Flags, no that is not the name of a new Greek aligned Melbourne A League Franchise ;D)
yes I agree rudd was a disaster.
But I like his stance against the factional powerbrokers in the ALP.
But in terms of running the country the sooner we pee off this stupid party with it's stupid ideas & stupid waste of taxpayers money the better off we will all be in the long run.
Rudd has his own factional powerbrokers. right now they're running around convincing, conniving, coercing, blackmailing?, as many people as possible to vote for rudd.
hopefully he loses on monday, effs off and we never hear from him again.
Al, he's not apart of a faction. I previously posted a link of leaked wiki-leaks that were published about the factions of the ALP in 2009.
Just in case you missed it.
http://m.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/read-the-us-cable-on-alp-factions-20101217-190f7.html (http://m.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/read-the-us-cable-on-alp-factions-20101217-190f7.html)
if you read it you'll notice that it's all about factionalism in the ALP.
Rudd is trying to take away the power of the factions & return power to the sitting members of the party and I applaud him for that.
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If he loses the spill I hope he retires. I doubt his seat will re-elect Labour. He gets to stuff over Gillard either way. Good bye ALP.
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The question for me is, if rudd happens to win back the leadership, who becomes treasurer? Surely he couldnt keep swan on after his comments about rudd, and really, swan has done a pretty good job.
pretty good job?
Sorry but i dont count announcing to the country Australians should vote with their feet and move to a different lender, as being a very difficult thing to do.
the guy is a puppett and repeats the same crap every time i hear him. China this surplus by 2013, shame on banks etc etc
give me a spell useless fool
Any chance you can tell us what he done wrong in managing the economy?
l
He took over from the Costello who had the country in the best shape. Fueled by China we are in fantastic shape, not by anything that Swan has done. He was part of a government who wasted countless money and after he is long gone, someone else will have to come in and fix up that party's mess.
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Al, he's not apart of a faction. I previously posted a link of leaked wiki-leaks that were published about the factions of the ALP in 2009.
Just in case you missed it.
http://m.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/read-the-us-cable-on-alp-factions-20101217-190f7.html (http://m.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/read-the-us-cable-on-alp-factions-20101217-190f7.html)
if you read it you'll notice that it's all about factionalism in the ALP.
Rudd is trying to take away the power of the factions & return power to the sitting members of the party and I applaud him for that.
He may not be a member of any faction Mr Tigra but he used them in the past to get the leadership prior to the last election. Actually wnet to Gillard's faction to set the wheels in motion
He attacks them now but as I said has had no problems in the past using them for his political advantage
And just watching the news and he is now saying this leadership issue is about trust :o This from a man who refuses to confirm or categorically deny that he leaked damaging info to Laurie Oakes to sabotaged the last election campaign. Trust? Please kev me a break
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If he loses the spill I hope he retires. I doubt his seat will re-elect Labour. He gets to stuff over Gillard either way. Good bye ALP.
Big politics follower?
Labor has a two seat majority complements of Peter Slipper taking the Speaker's job.
...and that was another example of Abbott's arrogance/stupidity. They, the Libs, made it obvious to all and sundry that they were going to get rid of Slippery Pete so guess what happened?
Anyway back to Rudd, there is no way he will retire as that will just prove all the things the nasty Labor people have been saying about him.
:cheers
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Anyway back to Rudd, there is no way he will retire as that will just prove all the things the nasty Labor people have been saying about him.
:cheers
True.... he'll linger like a bad smell sooking on the backbenches ala Keating
And we know what happened there
And his numbers are poor
Ch7 news said of the 13 QLD members he only has 3 votes and his own is one of those :lol
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Anyway back to Rudd, there is no way he will retire as that will just prove all the things the nasty Labor people have been saying about him.
:cheers
True.... he'll linger like a bad smell sooking on the backbenches ala Keating
And we know what happened there
And his numbers are poor
Ch7 news said of the 13 QLD members he only has 3 votes and his own is one of those :lol
If (and probably when) he loses, possibly the most damaging thing he could do is become an independent. One less sitting labor member.
BTW, how's that investigation going into Craig 'credit card' Thomson going :whistle
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If he loses the spill I hope he retires. I doubt his seat will re-elect Labour. He gets to stuff over Gillard either way. Good bye ALP.
Big politics follower?
Labor has a two seat majority complements of Peter Slipper taking the Speaker's job.
...and that was another example of Abbott's arrogance/stupidity. They, the Libs, made it obvious to all and sundry that they were going to get rid of Slippery Pete so guess what happened?
Anyway back to Rudd, there is no way he will retire as that will just prove all the things the nasty Labor people have been saying about him.
:cheers
Big knob in general?
I was referring to the ALP losing his seat all together and them relying on independents to form government in the first place.
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Big knob in general?
:bow
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BTW, how's that investigation going into Craig 'credit card' Thomson going :whistle
:sleep
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Big knob in general?
:bow
No need to be a tosser to someone you wouldn't know from a bar of soap.
(http://bibleconversation.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/6646roman_pedestal.jpg)
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Big knob in general?
:bow
Bob Brown wants your vote
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Big knob in general?
:bow
No need to be a tosser to someone you wouldn't know from a bar of soap.
You misread my bow
apologies for any offence
'65
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Leave out the personal comments ppl!
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Gee whiz
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Leave out the personal comments ppl!
It's ok OER me and Dooks go back a long way.
;)
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Leave out the personal comments ppl!
It's ok OER me and Dooks go back a long way.
;)
Have you unblocked me from Facebook yet old knobber?
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Nope
:lol
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The question for me is, if rudd happens to win back the leadership, who becomes treasurer? Surely he couldnt keep swan on after his comments about rudd, and really, swan has done a pretty good job.
pretty good job?
Sorry but i dont count announcing to the country Australians should vote with their feet and move to a different lender, as being a very difficult thing to do.
the guy is a puppett and repeats the same crap every time i hear him. China this surplus by 2013, shame on banks etc etc
give me a spell useless fool
Any chance you can tell us what he done wrong in managing the economy?
l
He took over from the Costello who had the country in the best shape. Fueled by China we are in fantastic shape, not by anything that Swan has done. He was part of a government who wasted countless money and after he is long gone, someone else will have to come in and fix up that party's mess.
still no mention of where he has gone wrong managing the economy.
Interest rates ? about where the reserve bank wants the,.
unemployment? about the mark they aim for.
inflation? again, about the mark they aim for.
all of these had been on a steady rise when for 12-18 months when he took over.
the question remains, what has he done wrong, as treasurer? 5 years on and the economy is still pretty sound, despite a global economic downturn. must be a real dud.
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Yep policy isn't the issue. If you go back before the original challenge in 2010, Rudd and Gillard had been fairly close friends which is unusual in politics. Like a divorce it's become more and more bitter between the two and rather than them being able to go their separate ways as it would happen to most people they've been forced to stick around work together which in turn then makes it a tense situation for everyone else in the caucus. It's like at school or the workplace when everyone else who was friends with both gets caught in the middle having to choose.
Not saying I want him back but if Rudd is cunning he'll be on a two-strike strategy. Lose on Monday but not badly and then wait 12 months re-building burnt bridges. It's a greater advantage to gain back the Prime Ministership this time next year when the Carbon Tax has been in for 8 months and all the teething problems and negative politicking from the opposition and media will be Gillard's problem while Rudd lies low on the backbench. Rudd then comebacks all cleanskin and reborn having won over his colleagues (politics is fickle on both sides as we all know), brings the ETS forward (no more "carbon tax") and eliminates the asylum issue somehow before the end of 2013 election to force Tony 'no policy, no commitment to anything' Abbott to have to change tact with his two main areas of attack nullified. Anytime Abbott is forced away from his repetitive 5-sec mantra one-liners for the TV and has to provide detail he is like a fish out of water. It's why he's just as unpopular as Gillard despite the Coalition's clear lead in the polls. The public don't trust him either.
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BTW, how's that investigation going into Craig 'credit card' Thomson going :whistle
It's still going, I am surei t will be finished in time for the 2016 election ;D
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Lose on Monday but not badly and then wait 12 months re-building burnt bridges.
I sense he'll lose badly on Monday.
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Rudds gonna delay the intro of any fiasco type carbon tax. That means that up to 40 members of the Labor Caucas know that Climate Change is fake and that the carbon tax is a total fiasco. Vote 1 the Ruddster!
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Gillard Labor is a laughing stock :lol
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BTW, how's that investigation going into Craig 'credit card' Thomson going :whistle
It's still going, I am surei t will be finished in time for the 2016 election ;D
You betcha lol :thumbsup
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Rudds gonna delay the intro of any fiasco type carbon tax. That means that up to 40 members of the Labor Caucas know that Climate Change is fake and that the carbon tax is a total fiasco. Vote 1 the Ruddster!
Err no he isn't unless he's changed his mind again, said in one of his many pressers he would review it after 6 months.
And on this gem "That means that up to 40 members of the Labor Caucas know that Climate Change is fake ..firstly he will be lucky to get 30 voted let alone 40 ;D and 2ndly when he was PM he prmosied an ETS to tackle Climate Change so I don't think he thins Cliamte Change is fake ...
Lose on Monday but not badly and then wait 12 months re-building burnt bridges.
I sense he'll lose badly on Monday.
Would love to know what the media and other pollies deem "a bad loss"? Would think any result where the "winner" gets 60+% of the votes would be a bad loss ;D Not sure Kev would though ;D
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Think we owe it to Big Sexy to show him respect
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Anyone prepared to have a crack at the voting outcome?
I'll say:-
Julia 61
Rudd 42
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Anyone prepared to have a crack at the voting outcome?
Yeh
Gillard - 71
Rudd 32
CYA Kev
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Only 102 votes (one of the Labor MPs has just had a baby and won't be there on Monday)
I'll go 82 to 20 in Julia's favour.
It is a secret ballot and I reckon a few will change their minds at the last moment.
And then I think Rudd will resign and force a by-election.
:lol
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Only 102 votes (one of the Labor MPs has just had a baby and won't be there on Monday)
haven't you ever heard of a proxy vote ;D
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Only 102 votes (one of the Labor MPs has just had a baby and won't be there on Monday)
haven't you ever heard of a proxy vote ;D
She may be called from maternity leave if they're both locked on 51 each. Wouldn't that be a story and what pressure she would be under :help
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Only 102 votes (one of the Labor MPs has just had a baby and won't be there on Monday)
haven't you ever heard of a proxy vote ;D
Gillard 71 to Abbott 31
How about that 102 votes in total.
:cheers
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Only 102 votes (one of the Labor MPs has just had a baby and won't be there on Monday)
haven't you ever heard of a proxy vote ;D
Gillard 71 to Abbott 31
How about that 102 votes in total.
:cheers
Yes I found out this morning that to vote you had to be there but the MP who's just had the baby was excused and if it was a tie the winner would have drawn out of a hat ;D
End of the day Kev's lost BADLY :rollin
Gillard - 71
Rudd 32
CYA Kev
And BTW I think I was nearest the pin ;D
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And BTW I think I was nearest the pin ;D
(http://images.brisbanetimes.com.au/2011/12/20/2850487/dh_patton_20111220151507280917-420x0.jpg)
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And BTW I think I was nearest the pin ;D
(http://images.brisbanetimes.com.au/2011/12/20/2850487/dh_patton_20111220151507280917-420x0.jpg)
"PIN" not pin head you fool :lol :lol
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It won't end.
Getting a third of the vote means he'll have another crack, and another
The nature of the Rudd beast :banghead
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And BTW I think I was nearest the pin ;D
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"PIN" not pin head you fool :lol :lol
Please enter the PIN, followed by the hash.
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The result is another dent in labours future
They will be out of power for a very long time as long as that Witch is in power
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Well done Gillard. Abbott next.
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The result is another dent in labours future
They will be out of power for a very long time as long as that Witch is in power
Actually could be a bit of dent in Abbott's future daniel...he might actually have to debate policy now which he hasn't had to do for the last 6 months
Ooops I forgot he doesn't have a policy ;D :wallywink