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FEATURE STORY–BEN CASANELIA
Wish you were here! The men clubs would love to have back
Inside Football
Wednesday, April 18 2012
Jay Schulz's transformation from immature tall to power forward took too long for Richmond, but his loss is Port Adelaide's gain, writes BEN CASANELIA.
WHEN Richmond drafted Jay Schulz with the 12th pick at the 2002 draft, then player manager Liam Pickering declared the Tigers were getting the "next Wayne Carey".
Having carved up the Under 18 national championships playing for South Australia, the 18-year-old was one of the hottest properties on the draft market for clubs in search of a key forward.
Eight years and 71 largely disappointing games later, the Tigers traded Schulz to Port Adelaide in return for Mitch Farmer and pick 71, which it used to secure Ben Nason.
Neither player is on Richmond's current list while Schulz continues to go from strength to strength in a Power side that has won just 14 of its past 46 matches.
At the time of trade, few Tiger fans raised an eyebrow given Schulz had rarely lived up to his potential – he did kick six goals against Brisbane in 2004 – and cost the club a major sponsor when the TAC terminated its deal after Schulz was caught drink-driving and speeding in 2005 and was thought to be lazy and undisciplined.
Fast forward to 2012 and wouldn't Richmond fans love to have him back?
Having kicked 70.26 at an accuracy rate of 72 per cent since joining the Power, the 26-year-old ranks as the game's most accurate key forward and is now crucial to the Power's rebuild.
Former Richmond coach Terry Wallace, who coached Schulz for five seasons at Punt Road, says he would never have traded.
"I wouldn't have let him go," Wallace said.
"I just thought he had too much talent to let walk but the thinking was, and I'm only looking from the outside in, that the club wanted to go past a group of players who had been there in a losing environment for quite some time and they saw Jay as one of those.
"I get the feeling that if you are a high ranking player at Richmond and you're not delivering, there's a lot of pressure on you and it's more so than some clubs, I reckon.
"A few at Richmond categorised a lot of players in the 'we'll never go anywhere with these guys' basket and Schulz ended up in it.
"There was enormous pressure and I think Jay felt a bit of that."
Wallace had already saved Schulz's career at Richmond once having intervened to stop a trade to Port Adelaide at the end of 2007.
Asked why his career never took off at Punt Road, Wallace highlighted a number of factors.
"A young bloke who comes over (from South Australia) early and he's a bit of a lad, wet behind the ears, who took some maturing and also playing in a position where it takes time to mature. He's next to Matthew Richardson and copping some stuff from some sections of the supporter base and makes some errors along the way … plus the losing environment … you put all those things together and it's clearer why he struggled to meet the expectations," Wallace said.
"If you throw in the drink-driving charge in which the club lost the TAC sponsorship it starts to add up."
Wallace says he is not surprised to see his former charge shine at Port Adelaide, adding he simply had too much talent for it not to click at some point.
Without a foil for Jack Riewoldt the Tigers were forced to rookie list Melbourne discard Brad Miller who, like Schulz, had been largely a disappointment in nine seasons at the Demons.
Miller kicked 17 goals and took 62 marks from 14 appearances last year while Schulz kicked 31 goals and dragged down 78 marks from 16 matches.
How the Tigers would love that sort of output alongside Riewoldt.
OTHER CLUBS THINKING WHAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN
Hawthorn – Josh Kennedy
Hawthorn – Luke McPharlin
Geelong – Shane Mumford
St Kilda – Luke Ball
Melbourne – Scott Thompson
http://www.insidefootballonline.com/feature.html
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:outtahere
he wasnt here for 8 years :lol
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:whistle :whistle :whistle
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"I wouldn't have let him go," Wallace said.
stuff u turd.
I heard him say,on the radio during commentary,that Schulz was a dud,before he coached them.
Dog
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"I wouldn't have let him go," Wallace said.
stuff u turd.
I heard him say,on the radio during commentary,that Schulz was a dud,before he coached them.
Dog
:lol :lol :lol
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"I wouldn't have let him go," Wallace said.
stuff u turd.
I heard him say,on the radio during commentary,that Schulz was a dud,before he coached them.
Dog
In fairness he retracted that comment after he found out Schulz was 18 and in his second season at the time. Schulz kicked 6 not long after which would have made Wallet look stupid. ;D
Sarge was only 17 when drafted. Would be handy here right now despite what MT and Bible boy say
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I wouldn't have let him go either.
Ludicrous decision just as Richardson retired.
Mitch Farmer & Ben Nason in return? :wallywink
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I wouldn't have let him go either.
Ludicrous decision just as Richardson retired.
Mitch Farmer & Ben Nason in return? :wallywink
Funny thing is in 2010 Richmond fans were talking about how good the trade was. we paid Schulz for 2010 as well :lol
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idiots arent they.
lmao @ bible boy with the old testament shoved up his jolly roger
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idiots arent they.
lmao @ bible boy with the old testament shoved up his jolly roger
I reckon Schulz could be back one day. "you may all laugh or scoff but I'm just showing what the bible says. We can't make specific dates but we need to be ready." :lol
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ROLMFAO
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Id rather Malthouse back.
Knows how to control a club.
We dont have that.
How do i know? - It's just "the vibe", man!
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"I wouldn't have let him go," Wallace said.
stuff u turd.
I heard him say,on the radio during commentary,that Schulz was a dud,before he coached them.
Dog
Correct , called him a park footballer :lol
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"I wouldn't have let him go," Wallace said.
stuff u turd.
I heard him say,on the radio during commentary,that Schulz was a dud,before he coached them.
Dog
Correct , called him a park footballer :lol
That's why he kept him at Coburg.
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i wonder how many time wallace actaully sat down and talked to Jay about what he needed to do to improve is game?
Every FU is always someone elses fault with this ahrse clown
i wish he would just STFU so we can forget his 5 disastrous years at the club and move on.
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The article is about Shultz....
Second rate player in a second rate team IMO.
Wallace is full of it IMO. Second rate coach also.. He wasn't as good as he thought he was.
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Schulz had talent but was no doubt poorly developed at our joke of a club during the period he was there and Wallace has to wear a lot of the blame for that. However as usual he just passes the buck.
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I think his workrate has improved since moving to Port as well.
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I think his workrate has improved since moving to Port as well.
Had a massive pre-season when he got over there. Improved his skin folds from 55 to 45 which is interesting for a then 24 year old. Like Wallet said, matured a lot and obviously he's a popular bloke if he's in their leadership group.
Can't believe we had him running around in the VFL if we were planning on trading him.
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He'd be playing the role Miller is now playing.
Craig Cameron is a huffer.
Having kicked 70.26 at an accuracy rate of 72 per cent since joining the Power
Love the Sarge but that's about what JR kicks in 1 year with a stupid haircut. Just sayin.
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72 in 35 games, gg. :thumbsup Thank Geez he came good
The article is about Shultz....
Second rate player in a second rate team IMO.
Wallace is full of it IMO. Second rate coach also.. He wasn't as good as he thought he was.
I find it funny that you can't spell the dudes name right even when his name is in the title. You're such a slapper :clapping
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Wallet shut up.
Schulz a dud player in a dud team.
Him and Richo did not work.
Butcher and Schulz will not work.
Butcher will develop nicely Schulz just takes up space.
Not losing sleep.
Most upset that Maxfield and Ottens left at the time.
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72 in 35 games, gg. :thumbsup Thank Geez he came good
The article is about Shultz....
Second rate player in a second rate team IMO.
Wallace is full of it IMO. Second rate coach also.. He wasn't as good as he thought he was.
I find it funny that you can't spell the dudes name right even when his name is in the title. You're such a slapper :clapping
are you for real???
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i wonder how many time wallace actaully sat down and talked to Jay about what he needed to do to improve is game?
Every FU is always someone elses fault with this ahrse clown
i wish he would just STFU so we can forget his 5 disastrous years at the club and move on.
Wallace only talked to the young blokes once every couple months.
The supercoach was busy with tanning trading draft picks and other metrosexual acts
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72 in 35 games, gg. :thumbsup Thank Geez he came good
The article is about Shultz....
Second rate player in a second rate team IMO.
Wallace is full of it IMO. Second rate coach also.. He wasn't as good as he thought he was.
I find it funny that you can't spell the dudes name right even when his name is in the title. You're such a slapper :clapping
are you for real???
Whoa, don't get mad at me. I'm just telling you what the bible says
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I would rather damir Cloke back before lazy jay
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72 in 35 games, gg. :thumbsup Thank Geez he came good
The article is about Shultz....
Second rate player in a second rate team IMO.
Wallace is full of it IMO. Second rate coach also.. He wasn't as good as he thought he was.
I find it funny that you can't spell the dudes name right even when his name is in the title. You're such a slapper :clapping
are you for real???
Whoa, don't get mad at me. I'm just telling you what the bible says
i'm not mad coach. I just don't have a clue what your talking about.
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We won by 10 goals so when a footy journo can't bag the present Tigers then go and bring up something irrelevant from the past to bag us :sleep.
Schulz last year was Port's second highest goalkicker with 31 goals and their best key forward. Gray who is a midsized forward kicked one more (32) and Westhoff kicked 23. No other Port play kicked more than 20 goals. Compare that to our best key forward Riewoldt kicking 62 goals last year, our second highest was Vickery on 39 and three others kicked more than 20 goals - Dusty (33), Nahas (29), King (25). Miller was 7th highest (17) behind Cotch (18 ). So the article is comparing Port's second highest goalkicker last year with Richmond's 7th highest ::) :stupid.
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We won by 10 goals so when a footy journo can't bag the present Tigers then go and bring up something irrelevant from the past to bag us :sleep.
Schulz last year was Port's second highest goalkicker with 31 goals and their best key forward. Gray who is a midsized forward kicked one more (32) and Westhoff kicked 23. No other Port play kicked more than 20 goals. Compare that to our best key forward Riewoldt kicking 62 goals last year, our second highest was Vickery on 39 and three others kicked more than 20 goals - Dusty (33), Nahas (29), King (25). Miller was 7th highest (17) behind Cotch (18 ). So the article is comparing Port's second highest goalkicker last year with Richmond's 7th highest ::) :stupid.
They had injury troubles. Seem to be on the right track at the moment. Look at our second highest goal kicker from 2010....Ben Nason. Port will be right. and I thought Vickery kicked 35, not 40. Schulz has only played 35 games for them and has 70+ goals. You're a moron if you think that's not a damn sight better than what any forward (apart from Jack) we have has produced.
The article wasn't comparing Schulz to anyone. It's about players clubs would like to have back. and if we had a choice then I reckon we'd take Schulz back in a heartbeat. The lad can play. If he had an AFL standard midfield delivering it to him...:outtahere
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Hes a hack
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nason yes he is.
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Hes a hack
& port poo place & club
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Sluactch is putrid. Worse player in the AFL.
I'd rather Brad Miller.
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The article wasn't comparing Schulz to anyone. It's about players clubs would like to have back. and if we had a choice then I reckon we'd take Schulz back in a heartbeat. The lad can play. If he had an AFL standard midfield delivering it to him...:outtahere
Agree. It's a moot point though as Jay didn't really want to stay at Richmond either.
The crux of my frustration is what we got in return for him. Port pulled our pants down on the trade.
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The article wasn't comparing Schulz to anyone. It's about players clubs would like to have back. and if we had a choice then I reckon we'd take Schulz back in a heartbeat. The lad can play. If he had an AFL standard midfield delivering it to him...:outtahere
Agree. It's a moot point though as Jay didn't really want to stay at Richmond either.
The crux of my frustration is what we got in return for him. Port pulled our pants down on the trade.
He had the currency of a wet fart
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Port offered a 2nd rounder 2 years earlier and Greg Miller knocked it back :banghead
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The article wasn't comparing Schulz to anyone. It's about players clubs would like to have back. and if we had a choice then I reckon we'd take Schulz back in a heartbeat. The lad can play. If he had an AFL standard midfield delivering it to him...:outtahere
Agree. It's a moot point though as Jay didn't really want to stay at Richmond either.
The crux of my frustration is what we got in return for him. Port pulled our pants down on the trade.
He had the currency of a wet fart
POTY
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Port offered a 2nd rounder 2 years earlier and Greg Miller knocked it back :banghead
Geez we like knocking back those draft picks for duds.... Ben Holland...
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The article wasn't comparing Schulz to anyone. It's about players clubs would like to have back. and if we had a choice then I reckon we'd take Schulz back in a heartbeat. The lad can play. If he had an AFL standard midfield delivering it to him...:outtahere
Agree. It's a moot point though as Jay didn't really want to stay at Richmond either.
The crux of my frustration is what we got in return for him. Port pulled our pants down on the trade.
He had the currency of a wet fart
yeah and that's partly our fault. should have played him in the 2nd half of 09. even if he didn't touch the ball he still would have had more currency then a bloke playing SANFL twos. Maybe the trade was already agreed to during the season
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The article wasn't comparing Schulz to anyone. It's about players clubs would like to have back. and if we had a choice then I reckon we'd take Schulz back in a heartbeat. The lad can play. If he had an AFL standard midfield delivering it to him...:outtahere
Agree. It's a moot point though as Jay didn't really want to stay at Richmond either.
The crux of my frustration is what we got in return for him. Port pulled our pants down on the trade.
He had the currency of a wet fart
yeah and that's partly our fault. should have played him in the 2nd half of 09. even if he didn't touch the ball he still would have had more currency then a bloke playing SANFL twos. Maybe the trade was already agreed to during the season
would rather have watched myself pee out a gallstone
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The article wasn't comparing Schulz to anyone. It's about players clubs would like to have back. and if we had a choice then I reckon we'd take Schulz back in a heartbeat. The lad can play. If he had an AFL standard midfield delivering it to him...:outtahere
Agree. It's a moot point though as Jay didn't really want to stay at Richmond either.
The crux of my frustration is what we got in return for him. Port pulled our pants down on the trade.
He had the currency of a wet fart
yeah and that's partly our fault. should have played him in the 2nd half of 09. even if he didn't touch the ball he still would have had more currency then a bloke playing SANFL twos. Maybe the trade was already agreed to during the season
would rather have watched myself pee out a gallstone
...and it's Chucky with the 3 pointer :clapping
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Old Ted and his black noodle :cheers
Jay Schulz knows it
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Ted Richards is my second favourite player
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Port Adelaide forward Jay Schulz goes from cagey tiger to lethal weapon
Eliza Sewell
From:Herald Sun
April 21, 2012
JAY Schulz used to be Richmond's problem. Today, he will be Collingwood's.
Schulz will step on to Etihad Stadium as Port Adelaide's premier forward, a status he failed to achieve in seven frustrating seasons with the Tigers.
A challenging apprenticeship at Tigerland included stints forward and back, and, of course, Schulz lived in the shadow of Matthew Richardson.
Tigers fans couldn't swallow the No.12 draft pick's inconsistency and many couldn't wait to see the back of him when he was traded to the Power at the end of 2009. But Schulz said he was his harshest critic.
"They're very passionate people (Tigers fans), but I never felt it personally," he said.
"I was very sick of, towards the end of my days at Richmond, people asking me why I wasn't playing consistent football. I was very sick of people telling me that I was very talented and under-performing.
"Those were some of the things that were starting to take a toll on me mentally. (It) makes you think, 'Well s---, am I really that talented? I obviously mustn't be because I'm not able to do it'."
Schulz kicked 58 goals in 71 games in yellow and black, spending all but four games of his final year in the VFL.
In contrast, his first year at Port yielded 33 goals in 16 games and he backed that up with 31 goals from another 16 games last year and another eight in 2012.
Former Richmond coach Terry Wallace said Schulz was up against it from the start.
"I think he suffered a little bit from playing alongside Matthew Richardson for a long period," Wallace said.
"That wasn't Matthew's fault, but it's what would happen with Jonathan Brown, Nick Riewoldt, any of those real stars of the game - the ball gets directed in their direction 80 per cent of the time so you've only got 20 per cent to try to pick up the scraps.
"He kicked that six goals up in Brisbane early (2004), and that almost became the standard and everyone thought that's what you've got to deliver. I think he found that difficult to live up to."
Schulz said "growing up a bit" had contributed to his success at Port, along with being allowed to play permanently forward.
But he's also won the mental battle, with some help from an Adelaide sports psychologist.
"I'm more comfortable with my own abilities and believe in myself more to a certain extent," he said. "In my final year at Richmond, I started to realise - I don't want this to sound arrogant - but I shouldn't have been playing VFL, and I was starting to believe I was an AFL player.
"I was talking with people a lot more about my mental state of mind, trying not to ride my highs too high and my lows too low and just trying to be a much more level person, because it reflected the way I was playing.
"I still am my harshest critic."
In the end, the split with Richmond was amicable. Coach Damien Hardwick called him in and told him there were offers on the table and Schulz thought it was time to go.
Wallace said Schulz lacked confidence at Richmond, but he always thought he'd prosper.
"I wouldn't have let him go if I had have been there, I would have wanted to keep him," Wallace said."There were a lot of people at Richmond and I'm talking players as well, who thought he could play."
Schulz was caught drink-driving in 2005, an incident that cost the Tigers their TAC sponsorship, and Wallace said that contributed to Schulz's lack of success at Punt Rd, too.
"I think that put him into his shell a little bit," he said. "It was a combination of everything getting in his way."
Schulz said the episode was one of the toughest weeks of his life.
"It was always a harder thing for me because I wasn't playing consistent footy ... I couldn't repay the faith," he said. "It definitely took a toll, to what extent I couldn't tell you, but it was tough. I'm a better person now."
Schulz, now 27, and partner Amy are parents to Halo, who was born in August.
"No matter how I play on the weekend I always come home to a big smile," he said.
Wallace said he was pleased for his former project player.
"You want the best for those guys, you love to see them go on ... to see him thriving, it's a good story," he said.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/port-adelaide-forward-jay-schulz-goes-from-cagey-tiger-to-lethal-weapon/story-e6frf9jf-1226334814410
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Why the articles about Poort players on the Richmond board? This should be moved to the Outer. Poor moderating.
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lol at the loose definition of lethal weapon. wtf?
edit: get back in the kitchen eliza sewell
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No doubt Schulz has improved as a player since changing clubs.
I have no doubt our pissant development stopped him being a good player for us.
Oh and STFU Wallet. >:(
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lol at the loose definition of lethal weapon. wtf?
The "lethal weapon" had no impact today :whistle.
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lol at the loose definition of lethal weapon. wtf?
The "lethal weapon" had no impact today :whistle.
like I said a second rate player in a second rate team. I'm glad he's gawn!!
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lol at the loose definition of lethal weapon. wtf?
The "lethal weapon" had no impact today :whistle.
like I said a second rate player in a second rate team. I'm glad he's gawn!!
I don't have anything against Sarge and always wanted him to do well when he was at Richmond but the simple fact is he was on our list for 7 years and yet still couldn't cement a spot because he was inconsistent and went missing for long periods during games. It was time to go for both parties benefit. These journos are just looking for an angle to bag us. Remember they did the same thing with Rodan but now that D-Rod can't get a game for Port, the articles chastising us for the one that got away have gone silent. The only ex-Tiger I regret leaving was Maxfield.
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Agree with gerks. This is poor
lol at the loose definition of lethal weapon. wtf?
The "lethal weapon" had no impact today :whistle.
8 marks, an assist and a few goals in a bad loss mate, come on. :lol As if you were watching anyway. Or are you still studying Port because your old man supports them? :lol
Not sure the article was bagging us. Just talking about how Schulz has matured and become a good player.
Wallet needs to pipe down. If he rated him so highly then why wasn't he a protected species like a Tambling or McMahon? :outtahere
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It seems pretty obvious that Coach Davey is actually Terry Wallet.
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It seems pretty obvious that Coach Davey is actually Terry Wallet.
Yes, just after I've given Wallet a whack...
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It seems pretty obvious that Coach Davey is actually Terry Wallet.
Yes, just after I've given Wallet a whack
Knew it.
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Schulz = dud poort player
Get the dud out of here :banghead :banghead
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lol at the loose definition of lethal weapon. wtf?
The "lethal weapon" had no impact today :whistle.
like I said a second rate player in a second rate team. I'm glad he's gawn!!
I don't have anything against Sarge and always wanted him to do well when he was at Richmond but the simple fact is he was on our list for 7 years and yet still couldn't cement a spot because he was inconsistent and went missing for long periods during games. It was time to go for both parties benefit. These journos are just looking for an angle to bag us. Remember they did the same thing with Rodan but now that D-Rod can't get a game for Port, the articles chastising us for the one that got away have gone silent. The only ex-Tiger I regret leaving was Maxfield.
yes I totally agree MT Maxfield was a very disappointing loss. I was devastated at the time.
I was very glad to see the back of one game wonder Schultz.
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Andrew Raines kicked nice goal
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Andrew Raines kicked nice goal
Played ok on Little Gazza last night - nullified his impact pretty well.
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Just kicked 7 for Port to help win a close one against Naught
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Always been a massive fan of Schulz ;D
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He stinks and so the port
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I hope people are finally ready to admit they were wrong about this guy. 12 marks and 4.1 today on Rancey.
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I hope people are finally ready to admit they were wrong about this guy. 12 marks and 4.1 today on Rancey.
No he stinks and so do Port
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I hope people are finally ready to admit they were wrong about this guy. 12 marks and 4.1 today on Rancey.
No he stinks and so do Port
Yeah but you would have to admit he is better than Riewoldt?
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I hope people are finally ready to admit they were wrong about this guy. 12 marks and 4.1 today on Rancey.
No he stinks and so do Port
Yeah but you would have to admit he is better than Riewoldt?
True i would take a fourth rounder for Riewoldt