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Title: Changes next week for the Eagles game?
Post by: one-eyed on April 22, 2012, 03:54:45 PM
Fire away ...

Title: Re: Changes next week for the Eagles game?
Post by: Judge Roughneck on April 22, 2012, 03:59:22 PM
Our bottom 6 or so players hurt us every week.

Out- miller. Jackson. Amaric

One of jackos.first half possessions of the 3. From from a steviej headfad. Was a poor error and a lost goal:-X
Title: Re: Changes next week for the Eagles game?
Post by: mightytiges on April 22, 2012, 04:30:09 PM
Problem is our depth isn't still there. Miller was terrible but will survive especially if Vickery misses. Jacko should go but seems to be one of Dimma's favourites. Mini Maric is probably the one that will be cut as he got subbed out with Edwards coming back in. 
Title: Re: Changes next week for the Eagles game?
Post by: Muscles on April 22, 2012, 04:31:33 PM
Mini Maric seemed to be working around the outside of the contests waiting for an easy possession.
Title: Re: Changes next week for the Eagles game?
Post by: TigerLand on April 22, 2012, 05:04:33 PM
Just hope Edwards stays out of the side.
Would like to see maybe TV or Jack.R in the 2s to find some form for the later half of the year. We need them firing soon.
Title: Re: Changes next week for the Eagles game?
Post by: 10 FLAGS on April 22, 2012, 05:14:27 PM
Newman is very lucky he is captain. A very poor season from Newman so far.
Title: Re: Changes next week for the Eagles game?
Post by: TigerLand on April 22, 2012, 05:21:32 PM
Newman is very lucky he is captain. A very poor season from Newman so far.

Should have kicked that goal in the 2nd.
Title: Re: Changes next week for the Eagles game?
Post by: Tigermonk on April 22, 2012, 06:13:57 PM
wont matter who is out or in cause there aint anyone at Coburg who can play AFL football
Title: Re: Changes next week for the Eagles game?
Post by: Judge Roughneck on April 22, 2012, 06:24:14 PM
Our bottom 6 or so players hurt us every week.

Out- miller. Jackson. Amaric
X

In  griffiths  dea  webberly
Title: Re: Changes next week for the Eagles game?
Post by: Ruanaidh on April 22, 2012, 06:38:28 PM
Outs: TV (injured) Jacko (incompetent)
Ins: Graham or Derryx and Arnot or Dea.

Dea and Gus have been amongst the bests (Burgers) for a couple of weeks now.


We must win this game.
Title: Re: Changes next week for the Eagles game?
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on April 22, 2012, 06:42:29 PM
In: Griffiths, Elton
Out: Vickery(inj.), Jackson

We need more height against the weagles!
Title: Re: Changes next week for the Eagles game?
Post by: Jackstar is back again on April 22, 2012, 06:51:32 PM
It's amazing the ins that you all post.
Title: Re: Changes next week for the Eagles game?
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on April 22, 2012, 06:56:15 PM
It's amazing the ins that you all post.

That's what makes forums like these exist!  We all have different opinions.  My logic is that Griffiths just can't do any worse tan Tyrone has this year so swapping them can only be better.  Elton has probably more talent than Jackson and we can give him some valuable experience in senior AFL football.  I am not saying he is ready, just that we still need to"gift" games to a youngster or two who are more likely to make us a good side in the future instead of playing guys like Jackson who are "gifted" games because they have a mature body and not much else!
Title: Re: Changes next week for the Eagles game?
Post by: bojangles17 on April 22, 2012, 07:16:36 PM
Griff timing of a return to form is impecable, looking forward to changing the losing combo of jack and tv
Title: Re: Changes next week for the Eagles game?
Post by: Gigantor on April 22, 2012, 07:17:58 PM
If griff players seniors after barely a handfull of games in the past 2 years ..things are grim at tigerland
Title: Re: Changes next week for the Eagles game?
Post by: WA Tiger on April 22, 2012, 07:38:15 PM
If griff players seniors after barely a handfull of games in the past 2 years ..things are grim at tigerland

Things are already grim, what have we got to lose......unless he is completely unfit or carrying an injury, honestly what difference would it make with Vickery playing like he is?
Title: Re: Changes next week for the Eagles game?
Post by: Gigantor on April 22, 2012, 07:39:42 PM
you have a point,vickery couldnt beat The ALP right now
Title: Re: Changes next week for the Eagles game?
Post by: WA Tiger on April 22, 2012, 08:06:31 PM
Anyone of these or all for, Jackson, A Maric, Vickery

Griffiths, Webberley, Graham and yep....McGuane
Title: Re: Changes next week for the Eagles game?
Post by: Chuck17 on April 22, 2012, 08:10:53 PM
If griff players seniors after barely a handfull of games in the past 2 years ..things are grim at tigerland

Things are already grim, what have we got to lose......unless he is completely unfit or carrying an injury, honestly what difference would it make with Vickery playing like he is?

Not that grim, this is the most competitive we have been for years and that is without Jack, Ty and Dusty firing
Title: Re: Changes next week for the Eagles game?
Post by: WilliamPowell on April 22, 2012, 08:22:48 PM
Problem is our depth isn't still there. Miller was terrible but will survive especially if Vickery misses. Jacko should go but seems to be one of Dimma's favourites. Mini Maric is probably the one that will be cut as he got subbed out with Edwards coming back in.

Haven't watched the replay yet just about to do that  ;D

But being at the game Miller certainly wasn't "terrible" compared to Vickery. Miller led to space, attacked the contest when it was in his area, can't samy the same about Tyrone. Granted he missed a couple of set shots but at least I didn't walk away think "what the hell were you thinking" which is what I find myself doing right at the minute regarding both Ty & Jack

IMHO For Ty'a benefit he needs to go back the VFL and get his bloody hands on the footy. Haven't seen a player so down in confidence fro a very long time as Tyrone is right now

Again IMV you cannot drop both Reiwoldt & Vickery but at the same tigme you cannot keep playing them both at the moment because they are both playing crap  ;D

Apart from his goal in the 3rd Jackson was again very poor. The other we got told that the Coaches were happy with how he played on Shaw, early in the game today he was on Mackie. It was staggering to me the number of times he took Mackie to the contest resulting in Mackie gettng the cheap easy kicks he thrives. If peole ar egoing to say but Mackie only had 20 kicsk instenad of 35 I'll puke. I've said it many times give me 20 quality effective kicks over 35 "iffy" ones any day

INS: Webberely (must rewarded for decent form), McGuane

OUTS: Vickery (can't play him & Jack when they are both so out of form), Mini Maric (looked really lost today and stood outside of packs when he needed to hit the contest HARD),

Would drop Jackson as well but knowing this isn't going to happen what's the point in suggesting it  ;D
Title: Re: Changes next week for the Eagles game?
Post by: Chuck17 on April 22, 2012, 08:25:00 PM
Think you may need to have a forward for an in
Title: Re: Changes next week for the Eagles game?
Post by: WilliamPowell on April 22, 2012, 08:36:53 PM
Think you may need to have a forward for an in

Nope because you could play McGuane as a forward because he will at least make a contest, bring it to ground & put in a second effort

Other thing at the moment is the 3 talls just isn't working, Eagles don't have an overly tall backline so the need for another tall forward is diminished.

As for the ruck situation - Miller?McGuane to pinch hit in the ruck. Centre clearance will be the key against the eagles - we need to structure up to work our clearances around their hitouts   
Title: Re: Changes next week for the Eagles game?
Post by: Jackstar is back again on April 22, 2012, 08:42:11 PM
Totally agree with WP and the ins and the thoughts on McGaune
Also you might as well play McGaune and make him earn his big bucks that he is on
Title: Re: Changes next week for the Eagles game?
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on April 22, 2012, 09:12:32 PM
Consideration needs to be taken if we are any chance need to combat Cox McGinnity Kennedy and Lynch in their forward line.

I think in the midfield we can break even.

Need to play our most skilled side.

I've said it before and I'll say it again Jako needs to be dropped.

Can I ask what his role is other than weekly ball butcherer, weekly oblivious to the obvious contestant and weekly no major contribution player.

I think Conca is going to get rubbed out too.

As for ins I really don't know I've ranted and now I can't be stuffed thinking. :lol :rollin :lol

Give Elton a go and Webberley. :-\
Title: Re: Changes next week for the Eagles game?
Post by: bojangles17 on April 22, 2012, 09:50:10 PM
Yea i fear for conc either edwards will come in or webbers
Title: Re: Changes next week for the Eagles game?
Post by: WA Tiger on April 22, 2012, 10:09:27 PM
Yea i fear for conc either edwards will come in or webbers

I think Edwards needs another rest....
Title: Re: Changes next week for the Eagles game?
Post by: tony_montana on April 22, 2012, 10:10:11 PM
Bin the 3 tall fwds game plan, it just doesn't work. Would rather have more run and be able to hod the ball in the fwd line. Don't mess too much with the defensive chemistry we've found the last few weeks.
Title: Re: Changes next week for the Eagles game?
Post by: RedanTiger on April 22, 2012, 11:08:41 PM
Monty I don't think the setup is wrong, rather it's the quality of the players.
Jack, TV and Miller have not been getting in each other's way.
They have been either:
a) unable to get to the ball - Jack and TV
b) unable or unwilling to get to the best position and compete - Jack and TV
c) unable to take marks - all three
d) unable to kick goals from limited chances - all three.
Title: Re: Changes next week for the Eagles game?
Post by: mightytiges on April 23, 2012, 03:09:55 AM
Problem is our depth isn't still there. Miller was terrible but will survive especially if Vickery misses. Jacko should go but seems to be one of Dimma's favourites. Mini Maric is probably the one that will be cut as he got subbed out with Edwards coming back in.

Haven't watched the replay yet just about to do that  ;D

But being at the game Miller certainly wasn't "terrible" compared to Vickery. Miller led to space, attacked the contest when it was in his area, can't samy the same about Tyrone. Granted he missed a couple of set shots but at least I didn't walk away think "what the hell were you thinking" which is what I find myself doing right at the minute regarding both Ty & Jack
8 possies (just 3 kicks) with a disposal efficiency of just 38% for only one point is a terrible return. I think in the game thread I flipped  ;D when Miller kicking with the strong breeze failed to even make the distance with his set shot. You can't afford to have such unreliable/poor kickers for goal. They are momentum killers whose misses hand back possession to the opposition. Also with Miller he needs to take the mark otherwise he is out of the play as soon as it hits the ground. Malthouse on 3aw wanted Miller subbed off in the 2nd quarter.
Title: Re: Changes next week for the Eagles game?
Post by: WilliamPowell on April 23, 2012, 07:08:36 AM
Problem is our depth isn't still there. Miller was terrible but will survive especially if Vickery misses. Jacko should go but seems to be one of Dimma's favourites. Mini Maric is probably the one that will be cut as he got subbed out with Edwards coming back in.

Haven't watched the replay yet just about to do that  ;D

But being at the game Miller certainly wasn't "terrible" compared to Vickery. Miller led to space, attacked the contest when it was in his area, can't samy the same about Tyrone. Granted he missed a couple of set shots but at least I didn't walk away think "what the hell were you thinking" which is what I find myself doing right at the minute regarding both Ty & Jack
8 possies (just 3 kicks) with a disposal efficiency of just 38% for only one point is a terrible return. I think in the game thread I flipped  ;D when Miller kicking with the strong breeze failed to even make the distance with his set shot. You can't afford to have such unreliable/poor kickers for goal. They are momentum killers whose misses hand back possession to the opposition. Also with Miller he needs to take the mark otherwise he is out of the play as soon as it hits the ground. Malthouse on 3aw wanted Miller subbed off in the 2nd quarter.

Arguement can be made that total possessions don't mean very much escpecially for forwards - having watched the replay it again hightlighted that at least Miller gave us a target up forward, he led into space rather either playing from behind = Jack or not presenting = Tyrone. I think out of those 3 I know which one offered the most on the day. Agree he dropped marks but cannot agree that once they are dropped he is "out of the play as soon as it hits the ground". Firstly the most obvious question is where are the crumbers? Isn't it their job to be front & square for this very thing (geez this is where we miss Kingy) but secondly at least when it hits the ground he makes a 2nd effort, sadly right at the minute we can't say the same about the other 2

As for missing goals he wasn't alone, struth Lids missed a soda in the final qtr, kicking with the breeze 45 metres out, the 2nd qtr all shots at goal were terrible reckon 5 behonds highlights that  ;D
Title: Re: Changes next week for the Eagles game?
Post by: Ruanaidh on April 23, 2012, 04:38:29 PM
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I think Edwards needs another rest....
Yes that was a fearsome leg injury afterall....... :rollin







Edited to correct quote

Thanks WP
Title: Re: Changes next week for the Eagles game?
Post by: WA Tiger on April 23, 2012, 05:04:21 PM
Quote
I think Edwards needs another rest....
Yes that was a fearsome leg injury afterall....... :rollin







Edited to correct quote

Agree, nearly lost his life, best to air on the side of caution... ;D
Title: Re: Changes next week for the Eagles game?
Post by: tony_montana on April 23, 2012, 05:22:18 PM
Monty I don't think the setup is wrong, rather it's the quality of the players.
Jack, TV and Miller have not been getting in each other's way.
They have been either:
a) unable to get to the ball - Jack and TV
b) unable or unwilling to get to the best position and compete - Jack and TV
c) unable to take marks - all three
d) unable to kick goals from limited chances - all three.

agree they arent getting in each others way. Form is obviously a factor but im getting a sneaking suspicion that (laziness aside) opposition sides have worked out this setup - weve been playing it since last season, time for a change up imo. Plonk Jack at FF his best position, give him space and give Miller a run at CHF for a few weeks, then if Miller stinks it up bring in Vickery if he turns it around at coburg, if not bring in Elton for a taste before giving Griffiths a run later this season. Occassionally bring in a 3rd tall (horses for courses) but by and large Id put it on the backburner for a while. Look at Pies, Hawks, Cats, Crows, 2 talls and a 3rd mobile tall at times. Our 3rd tall aint mobile  :rollin
Title: Re: Changes next week for the Eagles game?
Post by: RedanTiger on April 23, 2012, 06:44:47 PM
agree they arent getting in each others way. Form is obviously a factor but im getting a sneaking suspicion that (laziness aside) opposition sides have worked out this setup - weve been playing it since last season, time for a change up imo. Plonk Jack at FF his best position, give him space and give Miller a run at CHF for a few weeks, then if Miller stinks it up bring in Vickery if he turns it around at coburg, if not bring in Elton for a taste before giving Griffiths a run later this season. Occassionally bring in a 3rd tall (horses for courses) but by and large Id put it on the backburner for a while. Look at Pies, Hawks, Cats, Crows, 2 talls and a 3rd mobile tall at times. Our 3rd tall aint mobile  :rollin

Yeah I probably agree with you about changing it up.
It may also have something to do with Williams taking over from Daly as forwards coach.
I also think resting onballers - Dusty, Cotchin, Deledio - can be sent to the square one-out and Jack coming out at times.
I'd like to challenge those guys to kick goals from the square. Think they'd love it.

   
Title: Re: Changes next week for the Eagles game?
Post by: Ruanaidh on April 23, 2012, 07:13:32 PM
Monty I don't think the setup is wrong, rather it's the quality of the players.
Jack, TV and Miller have not been getting in each other's way.
They have been either:
a) unable to get to the ball - Jack and TV
b) unable or unwilling to get to the best position and compete - Jack and TV
c) unable to take marks - all three
d) unable to kick goals from limited chances - all three.

agree they arent getting in each others way. Form is obviously a factor but im getting a sneaking suspicion that (laziness aside) opposition sides have worked out this setup - weve been playing it since last season, time for a change up imo. Plonk Jack at FF his best position, give him space and give Miller a run at CHF for a few weeks, then if Miller stinks it up bring in Vickery if he turns it around at coburg, if not bring in Elton for a taste before giving Griffiths a run later this season. Occassionally bring in a 3rd tall (horses for courses) but by and large Id put it on the backburner for a while. Look at Pies, Hawks, Cats, Crows, 2 talls and a 3rd mobile tall at times. Our 3rd tall aint mobile  :rollin
Spot on TM :thumbsup I just watched the replay and the setup is way too predictable and lacks 'energy'. I also think that Millers misses at crucial times are sapping confidence. Vicks and Miller offer much the same but Vicks has more upside and can relieve Maric so he gets one more week to prove himself and we drop Miller. Elton has the pace to play short and tall so I would bring him in.

Therefore my updated ins and outs are:

Outs: Miller and guess who ;)

Ins: Elton (or Griff) and Arnot.

BTW I think this is a very winnable game as our defence and midfield are hitting some really good form.
Title: Re: Changes next week for the Eagles game?
Post by: dwaino on April 23, 2012, 07:20:27 PM
Monty I don't think the setup is wrong, rather it's the quality of the players.
Jack, TV and Miller have not been getting in each other's way.
They have been either:
a) unable to get to the ball - Jack and TV
b) unable or unwilling to get to the best position and compete - Jack and TV
c) unable to take marks - all three
d) unable to kick goals from limited chances - all three.

agree they arent getting in each others way. Form is obviously a factor but im getting a sneaking suspicion that (laziness aside) opposition sides have worked out this setup - weve been playing it since last season, time for a change up imo. Plonk Jack at FF his best position, give him space and give Miller a run at CHF for a few weeks, then if Miller stinks it up bring in Vickery if he turns it around at coburg, if not bring in Elton for a taste before giving Griffiths a run later this season. Occassionally bring in a 3rd tall (horses for courses) but by and large Id put it on the backburner for a while. Look at Pies, Hawks, Cats, Crows, 2 talls and a 3rd mobile tall at times. Our 3rd tall aint mobile  :rollin
Spot on TM :thumbsup I just watched the replay and the setup is way too predictable and lacks 'energy'. I also think that Millers misses at crucial times are sapping confidence. Vicks and Miller offer much the same but Vicks has more upside and can relieve Maric so he gets one more week to prove himself and we drop Miller. Elton has the pace to play short and tall so I would bring him in.

Therefore my updated ins and outs are:

Outs: Miller and guess who ;)

Ins: Elton (or Griff) and Arnot.

BTW I think this is a very winnable game as our defence and midfield are hitting some really good form.

I think Elton rolled his ankle on the weekend.
Title: Re: Changes next week for the Eagles game?
Post by: Willy on April 23, 2012, 07:50:29 PM
It's Griff time!
Title: Re: Changes next week for the Eagles game?
Post by: dwaino on April 23, 2012, 08:28:18 PM
It's Griff time!

Make sure there is plenty of gaffer tape on hand!  ;D
Title: Re: Changes next week for the Eagles game?
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on April 23, 2012, 09:33:35 PM
It's Griff time!
yes I agree totally. Nothing to lose.
Title: Re: Changes next week for the Eagles game?
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on April 23, 2012, 09:36:25 PM
Bring in the Griff!  I love the Griff.  Hang on this is sounding like a Seinfeld episode! :lol
Title: Re: Changes next week for the Eagles game?
Post by: one-eyed on April 23, 2012, 10:48:39 PM
Footy Barometer - Round 5
Herald-Sun
April 23, 2012


RICHMOND

ON THE BLOCK:
The entire Tigers forward line could be in trouble. Brad Miller had a shocker, Jack Riewoldt is a shadow of his 2010 self , Ty Vickery is struggling and Addam Maric was subbed out without hitting the scoreboard. Hardwick won’t drop a player in the ilk of Riewoldt, but the rest would be sweating over a possible return to Coburg.

ON THE CUSP:  Unfortunately for Richmond, there isn’t much in the VFL. Coburg lost to straggler Frankston yet again on Sunday, with Matt Dea and Jeromey Webberley a couple of players who tried hard. Dan Connors returned and although his usual drive was absent he should get an opportunity at some stage.

SAM LANDSBERGER’S FORECAST: Hats off to defenders Dylan Grimes and Alex Rance, who led the way for Richmond on Sunday, while trade acquisitions Ivan Maric and Shaun Grigg are also enjoying healthy seasons. A tricky month awaits the Tigers. Games against West Coast (home), Port Adelaide (away), Sydney (home) and Essendon are all tough but potentially winnable. A season-defining spell awaits.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/supercoach-news/footy-barometer-round-4/story-fncufbo5-1226336237137
Title: Re: Changes next week for the Eagles game?
Post by: Eat_em_Alive on April 24, 2012, 07:43:36 AM
As a minimum they would have to win 3 of those 4 if they wanted to keep any hope of playing finals.
They are capable of winning all four, they need to drop one of the fowards reshuffle the foward line and be accountable.

Want to play finals?? Winning culture starts this week my friends...
Title: Re: Changes next week for the Eagles game?
Post by: one-eyed on April 24, 2012, 04:56:30 PM
RICHMOND - In the Mix

Shane Edwards will come under scrutiny after withdrawing from Sunday's team with a leg injury. His replacement, Matt White, had only three disposals after coming on as the substitute during the third quarter. The interesting one is whether the Tigers will play an extra ruckman to try to curb Dean Cox and Nic Naitanui. Tom Derickx might just get to make his AFL debut.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/133950/default.aspx
Title: Re: Changes next week for the Eagles game?
Post by: WA Tiger on April 24, 2012, 05:38:30 PM
Would have to look at bringing in Webberly for Maric, maybe Gus for Vicks or Miller and either give White another go or swap him for McGuane.

I would like to see Griff get a go to but I just can't see us making too many changes.
Title: Re: Changes next week for the Eagles game?
Post by: Chuck17 on April 24, 2012, 08:29:52 PM
Would have to look at bringing in Webberly for Maric, maybe Gus for Vicks or Miller and either give White another go or swap him for McGuane.

I would like to see Griff get a go to but I just can't see us making too many changes.

LMAO off WAT Gus and McGuane.......
Title: Re: Changes next week for the Eagles game?
Post by: Rodgerramjet on April 24, 2012, 08:40:38 PM
Would have to look at bringing in Webberly for Maric, maybe Gus for Vicks or Miller and either give White another go or swap him for McGuane.

I would like to see Griff get a go to but I just can't see us making too many changes.

Webberly is not AFL standard period.
Title: Re: Changes next week for the Eagles game?
Post by: Dubstep Dookie on April 24, 2012, 08:53:54 PM
Would have to look at bringing in Webberly for Maric, maybe Gus for Vicks or Miller and either give White another go or swap him for McGuane.

I would like to see Griff get a go to but I just can't see us making too many changes.

LMAO off WAT Gus and McGuane.......

Deckchairs on the Titanic
Title: Re: Changes next week for the Eagles game?
Post by: WA Tiger on April 24, 2012, 09:00:33 PM
Would have to look at bringing in Webberly for Maric, maybe Gus for Vicks or Miller and either give White another go or swap him for McGuane.

I would like to see Griff get a go to but I just can't see us making too many changes.

LMAO off WAT Gus and McGuane.......

Sorry chuck, we should just keep accepting some of the crap that is being dished up at the moment.....why not we have be accepting it for years..

Who in your knowledgeable opinion will cover Cox and Nic then...mini maric???
Title: Re: Changes next week for the Eagles game?
Post by: WA Tiger on April 24, 2012, 09:01:54 PM
Would have to look at bringing in Webberly for Maric, maybe Gus for Vicks or Miller and either give White another go or swap him for McGuane.

I would like to see Griff get a go to but I just can't see us making too many changes.

Webberly is not AFL standard period.

Well the Coach for Coburg has a different opinion...but hey....what would he know.... ::)
Title: Re: Changes next week for the Eagles game?
Post by: WilliamPowell on April 24, 2012, 09:06:28 PM
Who in your knowledgeable opinion will cover Cox and Nic then...mini maric???

I'm not chuck but hopefully I am allowed to offer an opinion  ;D

To be honest I don't think we can cover them or counter them. they are going to win the majority of hitouts that's a fact.

What I reckon can do and should do is plan our clearance work around their tap work, in other words we "rove" to their hitouts not just at centre bounces but a round the ground. We control; the stoppages and clearances, take advantage of their work and win those clearances.

Top teams do it all the time, about time we thought like a top team, use an opposition strength to our advantage  :thumbsup
Title: Re: Changes next week for the Eagles game?
Post by: WA Tiger on April 24, 2012, 09:18:32 PM
Who in your knowledgeable opinion will cover Cox and Nic then...mini maric???

I'm not chuck but hopefully I am allowed to offer an opinion  ;D

To be honest I don't think we can cover them or counter them. they are going to win the majority of hitouts that's a fact.

What I reckon can do and should do is plan our clearance work around their tap work, in other words we "rove" to their hitouts not just at centre bounces but a round the ground. We control; the stoppages and clearances, take advantage of their work and win those clearances.

Top teams do it all the time, about time we thought like a top team, use an opposition strength to our advantage  :thumbsup

Yep thats fine WP, but every time we play them this same call is made, we rove to their tap work and it never bloody happens. Not only that but we then have no one to go with them then and they either put on a show around the ground or kick a bag each....one drops back in defence etc...someone has to stand up here!!

Bloody hell, Vickery played most of his football against Nat and beat him.....many moons ago it seems now. :banghead

Surely we need to try something else.