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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on June 12, 2012, 08:05:10 PM
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Malthouse was on 3aw tonight with Healy and Russell rating teams on their season so far based on expectations coming into the season, what they've got to work with, how they've coped with injuries, etc ... Mick gave us a C+.
Richmond C+ ..... team least affected by injuries. High expectations coming into the season as one of the sides looking to jump into the 8 along with others like Adelaide who have jumped up. Younger group than Adelaide but Richmond let's you down just as they appear to be on the up such as last weekend. You stop Deledio and the 3rd/midsized forward and Richmond struggles.
Here's his ratings for the other clubs (half tonight and the other half next week):
Collingwood A+
West Coast A+
Adelaide A
Geelong B+
Carlton C
Port Adelaide C+
Bulldogs C
GWS Giants B
Dwayne Russell gave us a D+ ::) as we aren't in the Eight. He said it's still a pass mark.
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How do Carlton get a C? Should be graded the same as Eagles and Pies.
I think it is our turn for the mid season review/grade on Insider tonight too. :birthday
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i would say a harsh call myself. injuries aside and yep we have been blessed in some ways with them i reckon we have done very well.
1/if i recall not many expected us to make the 8 preseason i still dont think we will if injuries hit.
2/ think the performances against top 8 sides has been good we werent expected to beat those sides at the start of the yr yet we have knocked over syd, stkilda, and hawthorn and been competetive in every game. to me thats improvement right there if those three sides finish in the 8 will be the first time since 01 they we have beaten more than 2 top 8 sides in a season.
3/ we field one of the ypoungest teams every week and when compared to other sides we clearly lack enough in the key age brackets and we lack in the games played bracket with not enough players in the 100 games plus category.
4/ our depth even with a few injuries has been tested and will continue to be tested until we get 12 14 decent players in the 100 game category. it will be tested until blokes like griffiths elton ellis dea and a few other even get to 50 games.
dunno what criteria mick sets for these pieces but his expectations were clearly wrong if he expected us to make the 8 this yr. yet if the injury gods continue to smile we may.
yep im always critical of us but given micks criteria id say we are a b at least. we never had to make the 8 to improve i reckon we have showed enough improvement already to cop a little better rating than what mick gave.
finally we didnt give up against freo we just didnt play well if we curled up our toes without trying i could understand his just when you think comments. in a way we had been up for 11 weeks and for 10 weeks did as well as anyone could have expected.
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David King on Insider gave us a 6 out of 10. Said that Grimes was a massive loss to our back structure in the way we interchange our two back talls to attack or gang up on forwards. All of King, Dunstall and Lynch said we're capable still of 13 wins. Dunstall said we're on a steady and strong upward build whether we make the finals or not, but a finals finish would set up our next few years. All agreed we wouldn't trouble the top teams in the finals, but in saying that reckon no one would like to catch us on our good day.
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Pretty much agree - Don't know how Carltank and that western sh|truck got Cs though :huh
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Pretty much agree - Don't know how Carltank and that western sh|truck got Cs though :huh
Port C+ and Bulldogs C? WTF???????? :wallywink
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Pretty much agree - Don't know how Carltank and that western sh|truck got Cs though :huh
Port C+ and Bulldogs C? WTF???????? :wallywink
3 weeks ago Port were the worst preformed team in the comp! The media were calling for the coaches head and they get a C+ :lol :lol The media are a joke.....Fact
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Obviously havent factored our draw.
Dwayne Russells shouldn't be paid to have his opinion.
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More of our starting 18 have had bad injury this year or in some form. Almost our whole backline, spine and ours mids not thou clean either. On long term injury list or missed some key games/training.
Moore. Grimes. Batchelor.
Dea. Astbury. Morris
Helbig. Foley. Deledio.
King. Griffiths. Vickery.
Riewoldt...
In fact our only better players to not have bad run; newman punch in guts. Cotchin had fair share injury. Conca but gets hit in head often. Rance will get injury soon cause crazy. Tuck heaps injury past. + Dusty, Edwards, , Ellis. Houli/grigg too.
Richmond have one of the youngest sides. Thank u dimma. Fa wallace. Younger than most, not just adelaide. Freo were older by a fair margin.
Deledio has kicked 9 goals so is not really a forward. Yes we struggle when our best dont play well. No shyte mick.
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More of our starting 18 have had bad injury this year or in some form. Almost our whole backline, spine and ours mids not thou clean either. On long term injury list or missed some key games/training.
Moore. Grimes. Batchelor.
Dea. Astbury. Morris
Helbig. Foley. Deledio.
King. Griffiths. Vickery.
Riewoldt...
In fact our only better players to not have bad run; newman punch in guts. Cotchin had fair share injury. Conca but gets hit in head often. Rance will get injury soon cause crazy. Tuck heaps injury past. + Dusty, Edwards, , Ellis. Houli/grigg too.
Richmond have one of the youngest sides. Thank u dimma. Fa wallace. Younger than most, not just adelaide. Freo were older by a fair margin.
Deledio has kicked 9 goals so is not really a forward. Yes we struggle when our best dont play well. No shyte mick.
think your barking up the wrong tree there. not haveing a shot here but the one thing i think mick got right is the dream run with injuries we have had especially when compared to other sides.
this yr.
moore - has missed every game thru injury. hes hardly missed we havent had him since rnd 19 2010.his injury actually gave grimes his chance.
helbig - has missed every game too. a young developing player who probably was not going to play every game.
astbury - well hes now at coburg but will need time to find touch. havent had him since rnd 12 2011.would still be in early development regardless.
those are the three long termers.
the short termers.
griffiths - this yr has actually missed one game thru injury hes had to earn a spot at coburg where he missed one game with concussion. thats what happens with developing players.
dea - is similar to griffiths not sure how many hes missed thru injury but has played 5 and spent significant time at coburg earning a game.
batchelor - has missed just 2 games.
grimes - yep hes going to miss a few but to date hes missed just 3 games this yr.
morris - has played all 11.
deledio - played all 11.
foley - missed just one.
king - played just 5 injury or suspension.
vickery - missed 2 thru injury should have missed plenty more from getting dropped.
riewoldt - played all 11.
we have used just 27 players this yr thats less than every other team. we have not copped a serious injury other than grimes hamstring and helbig foot preseason i think.
i dont think we have had more than 5 or 6 injured at any one time.
nope we have had a dream run 15 or 16 have played every game and theres plenty only missed one or two.
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Moore hae been has had injury forever. This counts as injury. Even if it has been a long time. Grimesy and Moore are potentially Both part of our back 6. Your argument is flawed. The coach would see him as a nuckmaxwell type 3rd/4th tall. The typed we missed last week. Again; grimes/moore can play together.
Helbig would have played more games than not, imo. I had him down starting21.outside edwards we are not blessed with small/mid forwards. Helbig has fight and talent. Not a lightly missed. Type of bloke that could have stepped into the foley role.
Astbury is our1st choice CHB. Big loss. Astbury/grimes/moore are close to 3 of our first choice four starting 18 kpd.
Griffiths has had a tough afl run with injury. And has had more than one injury this season i think. 1st choice back CHF. Again not a small loss. Hes been playing back due to injury.
Dea is another key s22 players who has missed games recently with injury. Ditto batchelor.
Grimes is frankly a gun. And this is 2/2 year in a row we lost him. FB. Vital part of the backline.
Morris did his shoulder shep pavlich. Injury.
Deledio did the first soft tissue injury of his life.
If foley played vs freo. We would have won. Key injury.
Id like to see every of clubs injury list before i declare this year a dream run. Reiwoldt for example came into the season off the back of how many operations? And has now done his ankle.
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Moore hae been has had injury forever. This counts as injury. Even if it has been a long time. Grimesy and Moore are potentially Both part of our back 6. Your argument is flawed. The coach would see him as a nuckmaxwell type 3rd/4th tall. The typed we missed last week. Again; grimes/moore can play together.
Helbig would have played more games than not, imo. I had him down starting21.outside edwards we are not blessed with small/mid forwards. Helbig has fight and talent. Not a lightly missed. Type of bloke that could have stepped into the foley role.
Astbury is our1st choice CHB. Big loss. Astbury/grimes/moore are close to 3 of our first choice four starting 18 kpd.
Griffiths has had a tough afl run with injury. And has had more than one injury this season i think. 1st choice back CHF. Again not a small loss. Hes been playing back due to injury.
Dea is another key s22 players who has missed games recently with injury. Ditto batchelor.
Grimes is frankly a gun. And this is 2/2 year in a row we lost him. FB. Vital part of the backline.
Morris did his shoulder shep pavlich. Injury.
Deledio did the first soft tissue injury of his life.
If foley played vs freo. We would have won. Key injury.
Id like to see every of clubs injury list before i declare this year a dream run. Reiwoldt for example came into the season off the back of how many operations? And has now done his ankle.
not going to argue with ya needless to say we disagree. ive followed injuries very closely and we have had a great run with them as far as numbers go and to key players goes. thats not just this yr but the last three.
mick might have got a bit wrong with his assessment in giving a c+, but he was right when he said we have had less injury than any other team. it obviously played a big part in his assessment. it obviously was an important part of his assessment.
helbig astbury, griffiths and dea were and still are unproven players it shows just how little depth we have if we are relying on first and second yr players to lead the team, it really does show how little depth we have if these players are being badly missed when they cop an injury.
griffiths is barely doing enough to earn a spot in fact id say at any other club with decent depth he would not be playing. the same goes for dave astbury even before injury despite getting games he was struggling and looked like he would take two yrs to get close to speed. helbig played 10 games and struggled in most but like the other two showed glimpses of potential. matt dea the same. these 4 were not going to make a difference to us winning we got games into kids because there was no other option. i still think the options are limited and we should be getting games into more kids.
the simple fact is the only senior player we have lost for an inordinate amount of time is moore. i dont know why people have to try and paint a pretty picture or make an excuse. injuries are not an excuse we can use thats for sure. why cant we just accept the facts for what they are.
you know i know 90% of the supporters acknowledge the lack of depth thank god we have not had many injuries i really hope the club can acknowledge it as well.
yes grimes is missed but the simple fact is this yr yes micks report was on the first 11 games we missed grimes for just 3 out of 11. we won two of those games.
heres a listr for ya. first group 8 plus games.
played 11 games. Conca, Cotchin, Deledio,ellis, Grigg, Houli, I Maric, Martin,Morris, Nahas, Newman, Rance, Riewoldt, Tuck,
played 10 games. Foley, Jackson suspended,
played 9 games. Edwards, Vickery, Batchelor,
played 8 games. Grimes, Miller,
second group 6 and under games. hardly an injury among them this yr or a better way to say it very few.
played 6 games. Dea, A Maric, King suspensions.
played 3 games. Griffiths.
played 2 games. White.
played 1 game. O'hanlon, Post.
third group havent played a game.
Played 0 games. Arnot, Astbury, Browne, Connors, Darrou, Derickx, Elton, Graham, Helbig, Macdonald, Mcguane, Moore, Turner, Verrier, Webberley, Wright.
as far as i can tell theres been very little injury to this group as well. out side of Astbury long term. Helbig long term and Moore long term.
we have actually chosen not to make changes when we probably should have.
and i have to correct myself with ohanlon getting a game we now have 28 who have played this season still fewer than any other side.
the most played by any club this yr is 38 that i can gather.
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95% of our list is more or less unproven. Injury is injury and imo dea helbig astbury griff are all best 22.
You cannot rebuild due to draft and salary cap without young players. The fact we have little little back up and a young list is already well known. We dont have the means of getting good young players in the senior team plus a senior proven 28 year old afl player waitinh to cover injury in the 2s
Griff has.as much potential as anyone on the game. Before injury astbury had a class debut season dor a bloke of his size. After draft day i would of thought dimma saw his future flag winning side including his first 3 picks. Chb asybury. C martin. Chf griff. And my boy helbig would have not been far behind.
Helbig is a more rounded option king/nahas. I feel he would have helped filling the foley void. Would have goven conca and ellis a buffer. And has a decent brain/kick unlike jacko.
Dea was given the #7 for a reason and looks a natural backlinr first choice player.
I would like to know what other clubs have lost fb. Chb. Chf. Ff. As we have done. We have already argeed deledio has payed all games. Fact remains he suffered soft tissue injury and was not 100%. Due to injury.
We have only 7 senior players. (26 yoa plus). Moore long term injury plus foley and king we are going at about 50% injury rate. Infact its been cruley many of our lesser players who have bern lucky to get ofg scot free this preseason and yr thus far. My point is merely the notion of a dream run is not the case.
More so if you think what 22 magnets would of been on dimmas whiteboard if everyone fit on the eve pratice games and round 1.
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anyone else got a headache?
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learnt this one just recently
TL;DR :rollin
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95% of our list is more or less unproven. Injury is injury and imo dea helbig astbury griff are all best 22.
You cannot rebuild due to draft and salary cap without young players. The fact we have little little back up and a young list is already well known. We dont have the means of getting good young players in the senior team plus a senior proven 28 year old afl player waitinh to cover injury in the 2s
Griff has.as much potential as anyone on the game. Before injury astbury had a class debut season dor a bloke of his size. After draft day i would of thought dimma saw his future flag winning side including his first 3 picks. Chb asybury. C martin. Chf griff. And my boy helbig would have not been far behind.
Helbig is a more rounded option king/nahas. I feel he would have helped filling the foley void. Would have goven conca and ellis a buffer. And has a decent brain/kick unlike jacko.
Dea was given the #7 for a reason and looks a natural backlinr first choice player.
I would like to know what other clubs have lost fb. Chb. Chf. Ff. As we have done. We have already argeed deledio has payed all games. Fact remains he suffered soft tissue injury and was not 100%. Due to injury.
We have only 7 senior players. (26 yoa plus). Moore long term injury plus foley and king we are going at about 50% injury rate. Infact its been cruley many of our lesser players who have bern lucky to get ofg scot free this preseason and yr thus far. My point is merely the notion of a dream run is not the case.
More so if you think what 22 magnets would of been on dimmas whiteboard if everyone fit on the eve pratice games and round 1.
as i said i disagree with ya no point arguing if you think we have been hard done by injury with the few we have had. would hate to see the carry on when we actually get a big injury toll. seems mick disagrees with ya as well.
i dont agree with his rating but hes 100% right on the injury front.
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Bottom line is 27 players used means we've had a settled lineup to date.
C+ was a harsh mark but like I've said before these so called experts aren't that crash hot in terms of their special comments. Who the stuff felt we were set for finals challenge? Most people including us supporters thou very small chance, no expert tipped us to make the 8 so not sure where that comment came from. Considering who we've played and the wins we've jagged, I give us a b
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Eff malthouse and his mates in the 7 box. Feel sorry for richo havin to brave it out with wankers like darcy, ling and cometti.
I don't recall one media "expert" predicting richmond to make finals, there was only one who said we could sit btween 7-12 but I don't recall who said that and that could be as little as we finish the same as last year or we improve. Good work nostradamus
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Mick reckons morris isnt skilkfull enough for afl football.
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Mick reckons morris isnt skilkfull enough for afl football.
Didn't he now change his tune and say that Morris had beautiful kicking skills? lol?
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Malthouse was on 3aw earlier tonight rating the teams he didn't do last week. After giving us a C+ last week he gave North a B tonight because they were just a game outside the Eight :huh
Ess A+
Haw A-
Syd A
St K B+
Frem B
North B
Bris C
GWS C
GC C
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Malthouse was on 3aw earlier tonight rating the teams he didn't do last week. After giving us a C+ last week he gave North a B tonight because they were just a game outside the Eight :huh
Ess A+
Haw A-
Syd A
St K B+
Frem B
North B
Bris C
GWS C
GC C
Last week. They got beaten by 115 points in the game prior to them falling over the line to a winless Gold Coast by 7 points. If they're a B we are an AAA+++.
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Bill Gates rates Richmond's season a C++
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You see tuck, even the skataboners rate high than us in the eyes of the media.
For us to be trully recognised we would have to be twice as good as modern era collingwood and even then then they would still hang it on us for losing a game here and there
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You see tuck, even the skataboners rate high than us in the eyes of the media.
For us to be trully recognised we would have to be twice as good as modern era collingwood and even then then they would still hang it on us for losing a game here and there
Nought don't sell papers like we do. Good or bad.
We win by plenty we sell we lose by plenty we sell.
Nought goes bankcrupt WGAF. Nought find five cents WGAF.
That's why people don't say anything about them.
As it was on the footy show a few years back when someone bagged Boomer and said you never play in front of big crowds and he replied we played in front of 65000 on the weekend that passed as it hapenned to be Collingwood they were playing. I think Dale Thomas answered yeah but 60000 were Collingwood supporters. :lol :rollin :lol
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Malthouse was on 3aw earlier tonight rating the teams he didn't do last week. After giving us a C+ last week he gave North a B tonight because they were just a game outside the Eight :huh
Ess A+
Haw A-
Syd A
St K B+
Frem B
North B
Bris C
GWS C
GC C
thats why collingwood had a succession plan.
oh Mick.
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Was told mick has lost his marbles
Not surprised by this
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Malthouse has just lost all credibility.
He must really hate Richmond.
I hope someone rings up his radio station and takes him to task over these ratings.
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Expectations coming into the season.
What players they have to work with.
Injuries thru the season.
the more i think about it the more mick has it spot on with most sides.
do people actually read whats been written and pay heed to the criteria that sets the rating? the answer to that is no bloody way emotions get in the way to analise a thing.
its funny. its like bloody hell that nuffer malthouse only gave us a c+ never mind the criteria hes a dimwit who knows nothing.
cmon you lot cant have it both ways we either have heaps of talent to work with or we dont. we have either had heaps of injuries right thruout or we havent.
to me i think with us the only thing hes got wrong is the expectation bit we are around where most thought we would finish if not higher.
his expectation though may well have been different to ours.
just my opinion but i think mick has placed a huge emphasis on injury and because of injury what teams have had to work with. hence collingwood getting an a+ .people should toughen up and stop being so precious.
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So your saying then that North who finished 9th last year, who would be more than expecting to jump into the 8 this year, who were gifted the softest Draw possible have had very minimal injurys and who are currently below us on the ladder have preformed better this season than we have?
If you honestly believe they have then you have really lost the plot!
North have been belted by Sydney and Hawthorn, beaten by West Coast, bulldogs and Port had narrow wins over Geelong (sheer fluke) Brisbane and the Gold Coast and there only two other wins were against GWS and the Gold Coast the first time they played them! I would rate that a D at best and the only reason it's not a D- is because of there fluke win over Geelong.
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So your saying then that North who finished 9th last year, who would be more than expecting to jump into the 8 this year, who were gifted the softest Draw possible have had very minimal injurys and who are currently below us on the ladder have preformed better this season than we have?
If you honestly believe they have then you have really lost the plot!
North have been belted by Sydney and Hawthorn, beaten by West Coast, bulldogs and Port had narrow wins over Geelong (sheer fluke) Brisbane and the Gold Coast and there only two other wins were against GWS and the Gold Coast the first time they played them! I would rate that a D at best and the only reason it's not a D- is because of there fluke win over Geelong.
Sorry, you disagree with Craw and are thus blind, foolish and deluded. I hereby command you to cease this nonsense >:(
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Expectations coming into the season.
What players they have to work with.
Injuries thru the season.
the more i think about it the more mick has it spot on with most sides.
do people actually read whats been written and pay heed to the criteria that sets the rating? the answer to that is no bloody way emotions get in the way to analise a thing.
its funny. its like bloody hell that nuffer malthouse only gave us a c+ never mind the criteria hes a dimwit who knows nothing.
cmon you lot cant have it both ways we either have heaps of talent to work with or we dont. we have either had heaps of injuries right thruout or we havent.
to me i think with us the only thing hes got wrong is the expectation bit we are around where most thought we would finish if not higher.
his expectation though may well have been different to ours.
just my opinion but i think mick has placed a huge emphasis on injury and because of injury what teams have had to work with. hence collingwood getting an a+ .people should toughen up and stop being so precious.
If we're talking marked on expectation and talent, then you'd give us an A+ claw... according to you we have about 10-12 keepers players on the list, the rest are expendable = a loooooooooooooooong way to go and you rate players like Cotchin, Martin and Deledio as reasonable players and Reiwoldt a D+/C- player. You constantly tell us in your patronizing way how stuffing poo we are, so why on earth would you say now that we are about where youd expect us to be? what a load of rubbish, on expectation we should have been 3-9 now.
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Expectations coming into the season.
What players they have to work with.
Injuries thru the season.
the more i think about it the more mick has it spot on with most sides.
do people actually read whats been written and pay heed to the criteria that sets the rating? the answer to that is no bloody way emotions get in the way to analise a thing.
its funny. its like bloody hell that nuffer malthouse only gave us a c+ never mind the criteria hes a dimwit who knows nothing.
cmon you lot cant have it both ways we either have heaps of talent to work with or we dont. we have either had heaps of injuries right thruout or we havent.
to me i think with us the only thing hes got wrong is the expectation bit we are around where most thought we would finish if not higher.
his expectation though may well have been different to ours.
just my opinion but i think mick has placed a huge emphasis on injury and because of injury what teams have had to work with. hence collingwood getting an a+ .people should toughen up and stop being so precious.
If we're talking marked on expectation and talent, then you'd give us an A+ claw... according to you we have about 10-12 keepers players on the list, the rest are expendable = a loooooooooooooooong way to go and you rate players like Cotchin, Martin and Deledio as reasonable players and Reiwoldt a D+/C- player. You constantly tell us in your patronizing way how stuffing poo we are, so why on earth would you say now that we are about where youd expect us to be? what a load of rubbish, on expectation we should have been 3-9 now.
i had us at 12th 13th my appraisal was a tad pessimistic compared to most. most had us higher so mick has it right. this aint about me bud but malthouse.me i still think we will finish around 12th if we have injuries.
believe i do ratings on players every yr deledio has been rated an A by me for yrs now. riewoldt borderline A/B Cotchin very good player thats a B rating and would become an a grade player elite. i think that has happened this yr with consistent performance.
foley i have regularly rated c/b that is a good to very good player. unlike you nuffers i rxpect players to earn their accolades thru high standard consistent performances over a decent period of time.
and get it right ive said we have 14 to 16 definate players on the list, that is players rated from good - thru v/good - to elite and some of them are yet to play consistent good footy.some are barely over glass half fulls and a couple are very close to retirement.
the keepers are conca, cotchin, deledio, foley grimes, maric, martin, morris newman, rance riewoldt, tuck grigg and houli just.
in development and looking likely to make it ellis dea and batchelor?
others still in development but have played afl vickery, astbury griffiths, ohanlon post helbig browne.
leaves just two kids on the list proper who have not played a game. elton, arnot.
i rate all these guys very much a D = Development. it includes vickery who if i had to rate on performance alone he would be below standard.
it leaves older players in the gun. there are others who i think should be in this group but am holding off.
edwards - despite a good block of games as a small forward like in some previous yrs he may have done enough to avoid the cut again. when hes poor hes very poor.atm id give him a C.
moore - 29 yr old at start of next yr having missed so much footy i dont see it has only really given us two good seasons as it is.
webberley - seems hes just not up to it.
mcguane - a dud has always been a dud.
jackson - another below standard player who gets a regular game.
nahas - one sided tiny vfl player just doesnt have the skill set. below standard .
derickx - 25 yo cant get a kick at coburg. was a ruckman before we got him god knows what he is now.
king - the feral favorite just a vfl player who gives it his all.
connors - has some talent but has a lot of weaknesses in his game as well 6 yrs for a player of his type is an awful long time to make it.
macdonald - not a senior but hes gone.
graham - they wont play him whats the point in keeping him.
only thing left is rookies.
miller - below standard.
maric - has talent but lacks in a lot of areas.
heslin - gone home.
verrier, darrou, wright, turner. all kids all first yr will likely get the mandatory 2 yrs.
theres every chance we wont get a player out of the rookies at best if we get lucky we may get one or two thats just the nature and history of the rookie draft.
so now we have cleared what i actually think up and have regularly said i think mick has it right.
as far as expectations go we are about where most had us. we have had little injury and we do have a reasonable core group that yes is shallow and lacking depth and is open to the ravages of injury which hasnt happened yet.
well done mick a concise and accurate appraisal of us this yr based on your criteria.
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Cbf reading through all that again.... but I reckon I can hazard a pretty accurate guess at what you're saying... :santa
Contrary to what you think, "most" didn't have us going for finals which is what MM obviouslymeans by high expectations, don't know what fantasy land you've been living in, but most supporters I know, hoped but didn't think we'd play finals this year. As for the "experts" all bar one or 2 from all forms of media had us outside the 8. So I'll ask again, where are these high expectations coming from that you and MM speak of?
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Cbf reading through all that again.... but I reckon I can hazard a pretty accurate guess at what you're saying... :santa
Contrary to what you think, "most" didn't have us going for finals which is what MM obviously means by high expectations, don't know what fantasy land you've been living in, but most supporters I know, hoped but didn't think we'd play finals this year. As for the "experts" all bar one or 2 from all forms of media had us outside the 8. So I'll ask again, where are these high expectations coming from that you and MM speak of?
ppppffffttt go have a look at big footy or pre most on there have weekly picked us to win. and your wrong most supporters i spoke to thought 7 or 8th a real possibility it may well still happen.
as for players to work with most nuffers had about 5 tigers in the aa squad a few weeks ago. as for injury and hence our ability to perform we have had little.
sorry at the end of the day when it comes to his appraisal on us useing his criteria i agree with mick but hey what would he know.
if i listen to tiger nuffers we have the best midfield, the best forward the best fb and the best ruckman ffs we should be on top of the ladder.
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Cbf reading through all that again.... but I reckon I can hazard a pretty accurate guess at what you're saying... :santa
Contrary to what you think, "most" didn't have us going for finals which is what MM obviously means by high expectations, don't know what fantasy land you've been living in, but most supporters I know, hoped but didn't think we'd play finals this year. As for the "experts" all bar one or 2 from all forms of media had us outside the 8. So I'll ask again, where are these high expectations coming from that you and MM speak of?
ppppffffttt go have a look at big footy or pre most on there have weekly picked us to win. and your wrong most supporters i spoke to thought 7 or 8th a real possibility it may well still happen.
as for players to work with most nuffers had about 5 tigers in the aa squad a few weeks ago. as for injury and hence our ability to perform we have had little.
sorry at the end of the day when it comes to his appraisal on us useing his criteria i agree with mick but hey what would he know.
if i listen to tiger nuffers we have the best midfield, the best forward the best fb and the best ruckman ffs we should be on top of the ladder.
:laugh:
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Cbf reading through all that again.... but I reckon I can hazard a pretty accurate guess at what you're saying... :santa
Contrary to what you think, "most" didn't have us going for finals which is what MM obviously means by high expectations, don't know what fantasy land you've been living in, but most supporters I know, hoped but didn't think we'd play finals this year. As for the "experts" all bar one or 2 from all forms of media had us outside the 8. So I'll ask again, where are these high expectations coming from that you and MM speak of?
ppppffffttt go have a look at big footy or pre most on there have weekly picked us to win. and your wrong most supporters i spoke to thought 7 or 8th a real possibility it may well still happen.
as for players to work with most nuffers had about 5 tigers in the aa squad a few weeks ago. as for injury and hence our ability to perform we have had little.
sorry at the end of the day when it comes to his appraisal on us useing his criteria i agree with mick but hey what would he know.
if i listen to tiger nuffers we have the best midfield, the best forward the best fb and the best ruckman ffs we should be on top of the ladder.
If you choose to go to BF and try to have serious discussions over there, then thats your prerogative, but dont use that as the criteria for "most" richmond supporters to justify your tripe. I am not wrong, most supporters on this site, and in my circle ie mates and work collegues never thought we were a realistic shot at finals this season, most thought everything would have to go perfectly right to give us a shot. I have not seen one single person say 5 tigers in the AA side, dont know where youre pulling that from. Lids and Cotch are in, Maric, Jack and Rance have made it in some peoples AA side at the half way mark, nothing wrong with that, right now those 5 would be in the 40 man squad and around the mark.
This constant you vs the world battle you have concocted in your little mind is starting to get old mate. Most people on this site, know exactly where the club is at and dont need you nagging like a fuddy ol woman every thread
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I am not wrong, most supporters on this site, and in my circle ie mates and work collegues never thought we were a realistic shot at finals this season, most thought everything would have to go perfectly right to give us a shot.
Read back through everyone's predictions twice, and this is 100% the truth.
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so now we have cleared what i actually think up and have regularly said i think mick has it right.
as far as expectations go we are about where most had us. we have had little injury and we do have a reasonable core group that yes is shallow and lacking depth and is open to the ravages of injury which hasnt happened yet.
well done mick a concise and accurate appraisal of us this yr based on your criteria.
You missed Matt White there claw.
Also 50% (at 6/6) was a D+ when I was at school. Perhaps the C+ is for the special effort in beating higher ranked sides.
Nonetheless agree with Mick on the Tigs rating. North on the other hand a B hmmm ......
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Nonetheless agree with Mick on the Tigs rating. North on the other hand a B hmmm ......
And I think that's what most of us on here think too DT, not overly concerned with Mick's assessment of us but his rating of North is a shocker!
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Malthouse clearly took the 3-0-75 plan literally if he thinks we were talking finals before the start of the season. Most Tiger supporters weren't and those that did were only saying we would if we got lucky and everything went out way (no injuries, everyone in form, etc....). Mick also gave us that ratings with the Freo loss fresh in his mind so he was down on us for losing that game.
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I must have interpreted the 3 finals in 5 years thing wrong. I thought it meant 1 final the first year, then 2 the second (as in winning one and playing a semi).
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I must have interpreted the 3 finals in 5 years thing wrong. I thought it meant 1 final the first year, then 2 the second (as in winning one and playing a semi).
It was definitely making the finals in 3 of the 5 years (2010-2014) which coming into this season had to mean 3 years in a row 2012-14. The Club has stated publicly the "development years" are over and I know privately from late last year the Club's aim was to make the finals this year even though personally I didn't believe we could make it given our list is still on the young and inexperienced side.
The more out there statement was 3 flags by 2020. After waiting 32 years and counting, I'll be happy with us getting our hands on one first of all before 2020 :yep.
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I must have interpreted the 3 finals in 5 years thing wrong. I thought it meant 1 final the first year, then 2 the second (as in winning one and playing a semi).
It was definitely making the finals in 3 of the 5 years (2010-2014) which coming into this season had to mean 3 years in a row 2012-14. The Club has stated publicly the "development years" are over and I know privately from late last year the Club's aim was to make the finals this year even though personally I didn't believe we could make it given our list is still on the young and inexperienced side.
The more out there statement was 3 flags by 2020. After waiting 32 years and counting, I'll be happy with us getting our hands on one first of all before 2020 :yep.
3 of the 5 years is rough :( That's why I interpreted it as 3 finals in 2 years. The first 3 years to 'get there,' 4th to get into a final then the 5th year to actually win a final. It wasn't a bad call for the club and players this year though to say the aim was finals. It's better than saying "we don't aim for finals this year." At the start of the year my honest thought was we were dead set up for another 9th since I knew we would improve on the last few years, but just miss out by a game or percentage. I'll be devastated if we miss out by only a game because it means we were so close, but at the start I never thought we were serious finalists anyway. Sneaking into a final this year would be amazing for the players though, even if it's getting thumped by 100 points. The experience alone would be something massive to take into next year.