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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: TigerLand on June 30, 2012, 07:51:18 PM
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Can't find my list management thread from the past few years but I strongly believe we are 1 more list clean out before we start to have a genuine list that will be ready to go through its natural course towards finals and beyond. We can all whinge about today but fact is we have 1 more clean out to go.
Looking at our over all list there still is a lot of poo to be cleaned up. Players on the list that need to be moved on:
100% Gone:
Miller, Brad Must go, no questions asked
McGuane, Luke Pretty self explanatory
Graham, Angus or Browne, Andrew Can't have both these guys on the list IMO. Both are barely VFL standard and only 1 should be a back up for Maric, recruit a 18 yo ruckman as the 4th ruckman at club
Derickx, Tom 2 years in the AFL as a mature age recruit? 5th ruckman at the club, can't possibly get another year
Should go
Connors, Daniel Last chance this year, if it was round 23 now it's line ball. If he played every game and contributes he probably get another year, if he doesn't he's gawn.
Jackson, Daniel Just my opinion that he isn't AFL standard, may play the odd good game, but if Jackson is in our best 22 I can't see us winning finals football
White, Matt Next year at round 1 will be a 26yo, speedy 180cm fringe player with average skills. I like Matty White but needs to be moved on IMO.
Moore, Kelvin Inspirational stuff to come back but with 80 hip operations and with Rance, Griffiths, Grimes all now holding down KP back positions and Astbury and Post having experience in there. Is there a spot for Moore? Probably not, even if he gets back to his best he's no huge upgrade on Grimes, or Rance and Griffiths should be given as much exposure as possible.
Webberely, Jeremy Question has to be asked where he is at? Seems to be a decent VFL player that has had the odd AFL game and made a cameo here and there. Would prefer to blood a young kid or see if we unearth a gem in the rookie draft.
MacDonald, Dean Is he still playing? Doesn't seem to have huge wraps on him, a kid from Gippsland with personal issues, whilst I wish him well, someone else can take his spot.
Maric, Addam Maybe to early to tell but delisted at Melbourne doesn't give you a good pedigree. Decent gamble, hasn't paid off thus far. Don't see anything changing.
Time is running out
Post, Jayden I like Post, but as a KP player he isn't coming on fast and at a normal rate may not be good enough compared to his competition.
Nahas, Robin Just my opinion but other teams seem to find it easy to find small forwards in the modern game. Look at St.Kilda, Milera and Saad first year players are arguably already better than anything we have. Brisbane have unearthed Zorko and Hawks pulled out Savage and Puopolo a few years back, WCE with Josh Hill and Collingwood have stacks. IMO Shane Edwards will be our locked in small forward for the future, but he needs a mate. I dunno if Nahas is that guy.
King, Jake Same as above, King is in our best 22 no doubt but plays the odd stinker and will turn 29 in our next pre season with a niggiling knee injury. Will play next year but I hope that our list matures and we recruit well enough to congratulate King on a fine career and next season be his last.
4 Must delisted with 6 that are a maybe. I don't expect Jackson to be delisted unfortunately. I'd expect at least 3 of the maybe's to be delisted so 7 is a decent clean out. Which needs to happen if not more.
Don't do an Essendon and think a mediocre list can take you far, the list will eventually mature to make finals but I'm not interested in making up the numbers like an Essendon with the likes of Davey, Dyson, Riemers, etc.
Still need some depth in our squad and these guys are taking up room and doing nothing at VFL level.
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Seems reasonable on the whole. Just hope we can get some more quality in, in their place.
Wonder what Carlton want for Warnock? 3rd rounder? might be good insurance and then we can gut both Browne and Guseless.
Derrickx Has improved as a tall defender. Might be given more time ahead of the other two.
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Kingy, Nahas and Jacko are contracted until next year so we can only move any of them on by trading them.
The rest you've named Pope I don't have a problem with if they get cut. With a supposedly strong draft this year and free agency coming in, it's a good time as any to make another clean out. We need to add more class and improve our depth to make finals next year.
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Latest thinking is the depth in the upcoming draft is good until about 20, then its a lottery. Not the super draft people have been banging on about for 12 months, but still better than most years.
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Difference between us and Collingwood is that a guy like Jackson is in the side as a utility for us, for Collingwood they'd have a kid in the team developing instead.
It is a shame Helbig is injured, i'd love to have seen him getting 10-12 games this year and getting some good experience.
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if a clean out is say 8 players then we have two clean outs to go.
basically agree with the op give or take one or two.
for me the 9 most in the gun are.
white, macdonald, webberley, mcguane, post, and graham from the list proper. if graham goes we could be in the market for another mature ruck type. rookies heslin r, miller r, a maric r.
others that we definately need to upgrade on weather that is this yr or next. also some others who also have skated on thin ice and are probably in the gun.
jackson, derickx, nahas, moore, king, connors, houli and edwards. the last two are clearly safe for now but they are two i would be looking to do better than down the track. edwards has saved his arse with a good block of games my question is will he maintain it he hasnt in the past.
in fact they are all in this category because they are all probably safe for now though derickx must be under pressure to stay.
then we have two who must be in the gun due to age maybe not next yr but the yr after. retirement looms for these two over the next one or three yrs.
tuck newman.
we also have the rest of the rookies and we all know the likely success rate with them.
yep imo we still have two clean outs to go. will be happy if we cut 5 or 6 from list proper and take 3 or 4 rookies. 5 nd picks 1 psd 3 or 4 rookies.
from that lot if we can find 5 decent players i will be happy meaning we cut the average cull down a little in 2013 and maybe give a little extra time to a few.
4 nd picks on good kids one late nd pick on a mature type psd pick on a mature type.
what does say being conservative 4 good to very good kids do for us. plus one good mature type. lets say we snag 2 mids a ruckman and a kpf with our 4 picks. plus a mature kpd.
mids - arnot assuming he makes it, conca, cotchin, deledio, ellis, foley, grigg, helbig assuming he makes it, martin, tuck, plus the two mids we take . starting to look decent and just a little depth being built. no king nahas jackson houli types having to be rotated thru there and hpefully a little cover if injury hits this area.
ruckmen - ivan, maybe browne, maybe derickx, maybe vickery, the kid we take. a lot of maybes.
tall forwards - jack, elton, maybe astbury, maybe griffiths, maybe vickery ruck/for, maybe post, kid we take. lot of maybes there again
tall defenders - rance, grimes, maybe griffiths, maybe post, maybe astbury . mature player we take hopefully a type like merret. would make for 15 talls all up excluding rookies. lots maybe they will make it maybe they wont types.
but its a better spread and gives us an opportunity to build depth in all areas.
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Agree with the sentiment but won't happen, guys like jacko, Edwards, king etc are KEY PLAYERS as far as he MC are concerned, so we keep hearing Bout waiting for someone better to come along to replace a Jackson type but guarantee he would keep his spot and someone like Ellis, conca or batchelor would lose their spot. Iv kind of lost faith in the MC and dimma
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Wouldn't bat an eye lid if Miller was Capuano'd. Played his role reasonably last year. This year he just eats space in front of Jack.
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There is 24 on the list id keep.
X -> miller jackson mcgaune graham heslin macdonald.
Gone like the twin towers.
The following 15 would want to.show a bit: moore king white nahas derickx houli webberly connors post amaric browne verrier piva turner darrou. Just hope some of them have trad value.
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Kingy, Nahas and Jacko are contracted until next year so we can only move any of them on by trading them.
The rest you've named Pope I don't have a problem with if they get cut. With a supposedly strong draft this year and free agency coming in, it's a good time as any to make another clean out. We need to add more class and improve our depth to make finals next year.
It isn't the end of the world if we finish 11th or12th with 10-11 wins this year.
It shows improvement but indicates there are still massive gaps to the list.
In the past, it almost appears a big jump up the ladder has been the catalyst for stability in the list and we have run scared from making the 8-10 changes necessary.
If we happened to sneak into the 8 we might fall for that trap again.
Our one X factor is Blair Hartley, I reckon he keeps us grounded as a club by being the objective analyst of the entire list.
Our win/loss ratio would not be a factor in his list evaluation.
We just need to pay attention to his recommendations at the end of the season.
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Kingy, Nahas and Jacko are contracted until next year so we can only move any of them on by trading them.
The rest you've named Pope I don't have a problem with if they get cut. With a supposedly strong draft this year and free agency coming in, it's a good time as any to make another clean out. We need to add more class and improve our depth to make finals next year.
It isn't the end of the world if we finish 11th or12th with 10-11 wins this year.
It shows improvement but indicates there are still massive gaps to the list.
In the past, it almost appears a big jump up the ladder has been the catalyst for stability in the list and we have run scared from making the 8-10 changes necessary.
If we happened to sneak into the 8 we might fall for that trap again.
Our one X factor is Blair Hartley, I reckon he keeps us grounded as a club by being the objective analyst of the entire list.
Our win/loss ratio would not be a factor in his list evaluation.
We just need to pay attention to his recommendations at the end of the season.
Great call hrt
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Seems reasonable on the whole. Just hope we can get some more quality in, in their place.
Wonder what Carlton want for Warnock? 3rd rounder? might be good insurance and then we can gut both Browne and Guseless.
Derrickx Has improved as a tall defender. Might be given more time ahead of the other two.
yeah, i reckon if derrickx can finish off the year strongly he should be given another year.
as i've said before, when you miss a whole year of footy it can take up to 12 months to get back to the level you were at before the injury.
hopefully he can play some good footy for the remainder of the season
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Agree real shame Hellbig is injured. Would have been great to get more games into him
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I like chris knights from Adelaide.
I know he's had some injury concers but hes a decent forward/mid that's got good size. Makes our smalls look like little auskickers in comparison.
He's Melbourne boy too with limited opportunity this year. May want to come home.
I like him.
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the commentators yesterday said something about chris nights having a disposal efficiency in the mid 50's
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Agree overall with Pope, MT & HRT
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Any clean out will depend on contracts....
Contracts List:
Unknown: Astbury, Griffiths, Newman
2012: Browne, Connors, Derickx, Edwards, Foley, Graham, MacDonald, McGuane, Moore, Post, Tuck, Webberley, White
2013: Arnot, Batchelor, Conca, Cotchin, Dea, Ellis, Elton, Grigg, Grimes, Jackson, Helbig, King, Maric, Martin, Morris, Nahas, O'Hanlon, Rance, Riewoldt
2014: Houli, Vickery
2017: Deledio
Rookies:
Brad Miller (mature rookie - 2nd year)
Adam Maric (rookie - 1st year)
Ben Darrou (rookie - 1st year)
Steven Verrier (rookie - 1st year)
Gibson Turner (rookie - 1st year)
Piva Wright (rookie - 1st year)
John Heslin (rookie - returned to Ireland)
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=15135.msg287427#msg287427
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I thought we re-signed Edwards?
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I thought we re-signed Edwards?
Yeah so did I
Read it somewhere around Dreamtime game I think
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Edwards signed til 14' and Graham has 13' as well.
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Browne goneski then
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Edwards signed til 14' and Graham has 13' as well.
Cheers Coach, thought as much.
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Edwards signed til 14' and Graham has 13' as well.
I've heard clubs are after the Beefcake. Will they be stealing his no.1 supporter too... :shh
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Port have been after me and Schulzy since the drink driving incident in 2005. I have not budged.
We're still mates arent we, Tigs? :cuddles
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Everyone wants a piece of the Cake!
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Very insightful post.
I think our depth of 22 was shown on saturday.
It seems that successful teams can be split into 4 groups of 6.
Our top 6 guns, second tier, 3rd and 4th tiers. Successful clubs have a great 4th and sometimes 5th tier.
I think we have a great 1st tier, 2nd tier OK but not as strong as the top 6 clubs but we are running out towards the start/middle of our third tier and then the differences are probably not obvious. Add to that the fact that players are injured, improving and ageing then you get a lot of movement within the clubs playing group.
Would be interesting to run a poll ? on where our players sit within our list and who is moving up, who is coming down and who is static.
Quite amazing to think that McGuane played nearly every game last year and Tucky struggled for a spot. Look at this year, Tucky a gun and McGuane gone, and Jackson has played nearly every game for the last how long (except for suspension) The question with Jackson is if we don't play him who else is there with the level of intensity and maturity required?
Overall our list is improving but we need more strength in our bottom tiers. I think you will see that a player like Morris is pretty well in our 2nd 6, Maric (I) has leapt up to our top 6, Houli has probably slipped, Grieg has lifted and so on an so forth.
At the end of the day it is not a 2 season fix and coaches like Wallace have done us no favours.
Our list manager seems to be doing a great job so it is a matter of patience I guess.
Tigers for flag 2015
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2013 is gonna be busy.
lets hope we have stepped
up next year some on that list
might be evaluating their position
within the club.
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okay this is the obvious place to ask.
how many do most supporters think we need to turn over this yr.
for me i would like to see somewhere betwen 8 and 10 including rookies.
lets remember we already have 3 very good picks 1st 2nd rounders plus pa compensation pick. we already have maybe 4 picks in the top 50.
id be shocked if we did not utilise 5 nd and one psd pick that means we must cut 6 from the list proper as a starting point. we have a rookie spot available with decisions to be made on miller heslin gone we should have at least 3 rookie picks as a starting point.
9 new faces is a minimum i would expect.
finding 9 to go from both the list proper and rookie list can be done with your eyes closed.
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okay this is the obvious place to ask.
how many do most supporters think we need to turn over this yr.
for me i would like to see somewhere betwen 8 and 10 including rookies.
lets remember we already have 3 very good picks 1st 2nd rounders plus pa compensation pick. we already have maybe 4 picks in the top 50.
id be shocked if we did not utilise 5 nd and one psd pick that means we must cut 6 from the list proper as a starting point. we have a rookie spot available with decisions to be made on miller heslin gone we should have at least 3 rookie picks as a starting point.
9 new faces is a minimum i would expect.
finding 9 to go from both the list proper and rookie list can be done with your eyes closed.
what we as supporters think, and what the club do are 2 very different things. They should cut 8-10 this year given the depth of midfielders in this years draft, but they wont..
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Straight up
From the rookies: A.Maric, Heslin, Miller
From the senior list: McDonald, McGuane, Webberley
That's 6 without blinking
Then there will be decisions made on Moore & Connors
Will they persist with Post & Derickx?
Then there's Greg
7 or 8 turned over is my guess
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Straight up
From the rookies: A.Maric, Heslin, Miller
From the senior list: McDonald, McGuane, Webberley
That's 6 without blinking
Then there will be decisions made on Moore & Connors
Will they persist with Post & Derickx?
Then there's Greg
7 or 8 turned over is my guess
I'm close to this.
If I was to look at it conservatively,
From the rookies:
Heslin and Miller. Maybe they'll hold on to A. Maric until after the draft if nothing else is found. It's only a rookie spot and we can already free 2 of those spots.
Senior list:
D-Mac is already gone, McGuane, Post + 1. Not sure who else, but if White or Webberly aren't making strong pushes for the 22 then one might go. Since we are tall heavy then Derickx might be on thin ice at 24 and not yet played a game (poor bugger, too many injuries).
Besides the rest of the rookies, unless everyone is cool with chucking away money, then we really can't make that many more changes to the list. More than 1 of Derickx, Browne and Graham (OE has his contract up 2012, but I thought his 1 year extension was for next year? or am I wrong?) won't go, and both Webberly and White won't go as we'll be shooting ourselves in the foot if we get a trot of midfield injuries. Connors might just survive if he plays his role satisfactorily and keeps his head screwed on. If we recruit anyone to replace these sorts of players, then they effectively become the depth.
Everyone craps on about this draft being super dooper. The top 20 or 25 will be penciled, after that will be the usual lottery and will require a good eye. There is no point delisting willy nilly and just getting a bag of snot noses in as we could just end up back at square one. 4-6 changes including some draftees, a trade and possibly a FA pick up. Someone like Darrou who has been in the system for 12 months and 19 next year could be a better use of a later draft pick and upgrading than rolling the dice on another 18 year old twig.
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Eight posts are enough on one footy ground
Sorry Jayden get tough and fly out of your nest
RFC
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who invited this guy?
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who invited this guy?
Troll. Wish the mods would deal with him.
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who invited this guy?
:lol
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Port have been after me and Schulzy since the drink driving incident in 2005. I have not budged.
We're still mates arent we, Tigs? :cuddles
Always and Forever ;) :-*
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who invited this guy?
:lol
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Very insightful post.
I think our depth of 22 was shown on saturday.
It seems that successful teams can be split into 4 groups of 6.
Our top 6 guns, second tier, 3rd and 4th tiers. Successful clubs have a great 4th and sometimes 5th tier.
I think we have a great 1st tier, 2nd tier OK but not as strong as the top 6 clubs but we are running out towards the start/middle of our third tier and then the differences are probably not obvious. Add to that the fact that players are injured, improving and ageing then you get a lot of movement within the clubs playing group.
Would be interesting to run a poll ? on where our players sit within our list and who is moving up, who is coming down and who is static.
Quite amazing to think that McGuane played nearly every game last year and Tucky struggled for a spot. Look at this year, Tucky a gun and McGuane gone, and Jackson has played nearly every game for the last how long (except for suspension) The question with Jackson is if we don't play him who else is there with the level of intensity and maturity required?
Overall our list is improving but we need more strength in our bottom tiers. I think you will see that a player like Morris is pretty well in our 2nd 6, Maric (I) has leapt up to our top 6, Houli has probably slipped, Grieg has lifted and so on an so forth.
At the end of the day it is not a 2 season fix and coaches like Wallace have done us no favours.
Our list manager seems to be doing a great job so it is a matter of patience I guess.
Tigers for flag 2015
Well said.
On a lighter note I love the way you used Wallace and List Manager in consecutive sentences. :bow :thumbsup
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who invited this guy?
what a great idea ... we could have "OER by Invitation" from now on. I call on the mods to close down new applicants and just do this invitational gimmick instead. ;D
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Contracts list updated....
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=15135.msg287427#msg287427
Contracts List:
Unknown: Astbury, Griffiths
2012: Browne, Connors, Derickx, Foley, MacDonald, McGuane, Moore, Newman, Post, Tuck, Webberley, White
2013: Arnot, Batchelor, Conca, Cotchin, Dea, Ellis, Elton, Graham, Grigg, Grimes, Jackson, Helbig, King, I.Maric, Martin, Nahas, O'Hanlon, Rance, Riewoldt
2014: Edwards, Houli, Morris, Vickery
2017: Deledio
Rookies:
Brad Miller (mature rookie - 2nd year)
Adam Maric (rookie - 1st year)
Ben Darrou (rookie - 1st year)
Steven Verrier (rookie - 1st year)
Gibson Turner (rookie - 1st year)
Piva Wright (rookie - 1st year)
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Certainly helps with knowing who is likely gone. Astbury is 2013 and at a guess Griff would be too.
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Eight posts are enough on one footy ground
Sorry Jayden get tough and fly out of Terry's nest
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:lol
Best new poster since Him
LMFAO
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Best new poster since Him
:lol
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Certainly helps with knowing who is likely gone.
Especially when the players make the decision easy for the Club - ie. Connors and MacDonald flicked. That's two senior list spots freed up. The club only needs to delist one more player now by the Oct 31 minimum cut-off and can keep its trading cards close to its chest.
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CLEAN THE LIST AS YOU GO
Bumped into Reece Lightning Conca
SAID HE WILL BE BACK WITH MAGUANE
FOLEY STILL HAS SORE ANKLE UNSURE
JEROMEY THE PORN STAR WEBBERLEY HAS A GROIN PROBLEM
WELL DONE TIGERS FOR GETTING RID OF THE DRUNK CONNORS
VERY PROFESSIONAL
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There will be a few openings in the list before the end of season ;D
You can all thank Richmond FC the club we support for not dealing with things more bluntly.
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Can't find my list management thread from the past few years but I strongly believe we are 1 more list clean out before we start to have a genuine list that will be ready to go through its natural course towards finals and beyond. We can all whinge about today but fact is we have 1 more clean out to go.
Looking at our over all list there still is a lot of poo to be cleaned up. Players on the list that need to be moved on:
100% Gone:
Miller, Brad Must go, no questions asked
McGuane, Luke Pretty self explanatory
Graham, Angus or Browne, Andrew Can't have both these guys on the list IMO. Both are barely VFL standard and only 1 should be a back up for Maric, recruit a 18 yo ruckman as the 4th ruckman at club
Derickx, Tom 2 years in the AFL as a mature age recruit? 5th ruckman at the club, can't possibly get another year
Should go
Connors, Daniel Last chance this year, if it was round 23 now it's line ball. If he played every game and contributes he probably get another year, if he doesn't he's gawn.
Jackson, Daniel Just my opinion that he isn't AFL standard, may play the odd good game, but if Jackson is in our best 22 I can't see us winning finals football
White, Matt Next year at round 1 will be a 26yo, speedy 180cm fringe player with average skills. I like Matty White but needs to be moved on IMO.
Moore, Kelvin Inspirational stuff to come back but with 80 hip operations and with Rance, Griffiths, Grimes all now holding down KP back positions and Astbury and Post having experience in there. Is there a spot for Moore? Probably not, even if he gets back to his best he's no huge upgrade on Grimes, or Rance and Griffiths should be given as much exposure as possible.
Webberely, Jeremy Question has to be asked where he is at? Seems to be a decent VFL player that has had the odd AFL game and made a cameo here and there. Would prefer to blood a young kid or see if we unearth a gem in the rookie draft.
MacDonald, Dean Is he still playing? Doesn't seem to have huge wraps on him, a kid from Gippsland with personal issues, whilst I wish him well, someone else can take his spot.
Maric, Addam Maybe to early to tell but delisted at Melbourne doesn't give you a good pedigree. Decent gamble, hasn't paid off thus far. Don't see anything changing.
Time is running out
Post, Jayden I like Post, but as a KP player he isn't coming on fast and at a normal rate may not be good enough compared to his competition.
Nahas, Robin Just my opinion but other teams seem to find it easy to find small forwards in the modern game. Look at St.Kilda, Milera and Saad first year players are arguably already better than anything we have. Brisbane have unearthed Zorko and Hawks pulled out Savage and Puopolo a few years back, WCE with Josh Hill and Collingwood have stacks. IMO Shane Edwards will be our locked in small forward for the future, but he needs a mate. I dunno if Nahas is that guy.
King, Jake Same as above, King is in our best 22 no doubt but plays the odd stinker and will turn 29 in our next pre season with a niggiling knee injury. Will play next year but I hope that our list matures and we recruit well enough to congratulate King on a fine career and next season be his last.
4 Must delisted with 6 that are a maybe. I don't expect Jackson to be delisted unfortunately. I'd expect at least 3 of the maybe's to be delisted so 7 is a decent clean out. Which needs to happen if not more.
Don't do an Essendon and think a mediocre list can take you far, the list will eventually mature to make finals but I'm not interested in making up the numbers like an Essendon with the likes of Davey, Dyson, Riemers, etc.
Still need some depth in our squad and these guys are taking up room and doing nothing at VFL level.
RFC get fair dinkum and cull these muppets:
Angus Graham
Luke McGuane
Tom Derickx
Adam Maric
Jerome Webberley
Brad Miller
Kelvin Moore
With Dean McDonald and Dan Connors already gone.
These guys simply can't play the game. Would trade any of these squibs for Karmichael Hunt in a heart beat.
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Graham doesnt pretend to chase.
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Contracts list updated....
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=15135.msg287427#msg287427 (http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=15135.msg287427#msg287427)
Contracts List:
Unknown: Astbury, Griffiths
2012: Browne, Connors, Derickx, Foley, MacDonald, McGuane, Moore, Newman, Post, Tuck, Webberley, White
2013: Arnot, Batchelor, Conca, Cotchin, Dea, Ellis, Elton, Graham, Grigg, Grimes, Jackson, Helbig, King, I.Maric, Martin, Nahas, O'Hanlon, Rance, Riewoldt
2014: Edwards, Houli, Morris, Vickery
2017: Deledio
Rookies:
Brad Miller (mature rookie - 2nd year)
Adam Maric (rookie - 1st year)
Ben Darrou (rookie - 1st year)
Steven Verrier (rookie - 1st year)
Gibson Turner (rookie - 1st year)
Piva Wright (rookie - 1st year)
This is an interesting list. You could easily drop Browne, Connors, Derickx, MacDonald, McGuane, Moore, Post, Webberley, White for form, injury or other reasons. Then there is the rookies, I could imagine up to 12 list changes given its a deep draft. Prob not but its reasonably possible. The only reason u keep graham is ruck depth while you recruit another one.
This year could be brutal on the list.
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Contracts list updated....
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=15135.msg287427#msg287427 (http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=15135.msg287427#msg287427)
Contracts List:
Unknown: Astbury, Griffiths
2012: Browne, Connors, Derickx, Foley, MacDonald, McGuane, Moore, Newman, Post, Tuck, Webberley, White
2013: Arnot, Batchelor, Conca, Cotchin, Dea, Ellis, Elton, Graham, Grigg, Grimes, Jackson, Helbig, King, I.Maric, Martin, Nahas, O'Hanlon, Rance, Riewoldt
2014: Edwards, Houli, Morris, Vickery
2017: Deledio
Rookies:
Brad Miller (mature rookie - 2nd year)
Adam Maric (rookie - 1st year)
Ben Darrou (rookie - 1st year)
Steven Verrier (rookie - 1st year)
Gibson Turner (rookie - 1st year)
Piva Wright (rookie - 1st year)
This is an interesting list. You could easily drop Browne, Connors, Derickx, MacDonald, McGuane, Moore, Post, Webberley, White for form, injury or other reasons. Then there is the rookies, I could imagine up to 12 list changes given its a deep draft. Prob not but its reasonably possible. The only reason u keep graham is ruck depth while you recruit another one.
This year could be brutal on the list.
After today Graham shouldn't even be offered a seat home let aloan another year on our list. He was a disgrace absolute disgrace!
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Get rid of the coach first who plays these muppets
Enough Of this rubbish at punt rd
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Build list around:
Conca. Batchelor. Astbury. Dea. Grimes. Ellis. Griffiths. Morris. Browne. Helbig. OHanlon. Elton. Arnot. GibsonTurner.
Senior: Deledio. Tuck. Foley* Riewoldt. Newman. Edwards. Vickery. Martin. Rance. Houli. Nahas. Grigg. Cotchin. IMaric.
I would attempt to trade the rest in order to better draft postion. It it vital we delist the right players this cycle. The deapth/back up players we choose to keep next year will play a big part in future success or lack of.
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FTF is stuff....g toffers fraternity
Keep :bow DimSim god loves you
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Rfc fans should protest and refuse to renew their memberships
These thieves take 30million bucks a year from us in MShips Trent cotchin memorabilia FTF gate collection etc etc and nothing ever changes except hope
Keep dreaming BG 75000 members and finals
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Rfc fans should protest and refuse to renew their memberships
These thieves take 30million bucks a year from us in MShips Trent cotchin memorabilia FTF gate collection etc etc and nothing ever changes except hope
Keep dreaming BG 75000 members and finals
You forgot 8 posts on a field is enough
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Macdonald
Connors
Miller
Webberley
Graham
I think we should keep Post and White
We can draft 5 senior players and 3 rookies
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Contracts list updated....
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=15135.msg287427#msg287427 (http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=15135.msg287427#msg287427)
Contracts List:
Unknown: Astbury, Griffiths
2012: Browne, Connors, Derickx, Foley, MacDonald, McGuane, Moore, Newman, Post, Tuck, Webberley, White
2013: Arnot, Batchelor, Conca, Cotchin, Dea, Ellis, Elton, Graham, Grigg, Grimes, Jackson, Helbig, King, I.Maric, Martin, Nahas, O'Hanlon, Rance, Riewoldt
2014: Edwards, Houli, Morris, Vickery
2017: Deledio
Rookies:
Brad Miller (mature rookie - 2nd year)
Adam Maric (rookie - 1st year)
Ben Darrou (rookie - 1st year)
Steven Verrier (rookie - 1st year)
Gibson Turner (rookie - 1st year)
Piva Wright (rookie - 1st year)
This is an interesting list. You could easily drop Browne, Connors, Derickx, MacDonald, McGuane, Moore, Post, Webberley, White for form, injury or other reasons. Then there is the rookies, I could imagine up to 12 list changes given its a deep draft. Prob not but its reasonably possible. The only reason u keep graham is ruck depth while you recruit another one.
This year could be brutal on the list.
After today Graham shouldn't even be offered a seat home let aloan another year on our list. He was a disgrace absolute disgrace!
But he's contracted and Browne is no good either. Six of one half a dozen of the other so you keep the cheaper option and recruit another pair of kids hopefully one of whom will make it as a ruck.
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Am i right in saying, in the last few years we have had 6 players/rookies leave the club by themselves or by being sacked mid season?
Conners, MacDonald, Taylor, Roberts, O'Reilly and Heslin.
We are either recruiting the wrong guys or maybe there's something that stinks down at Tigerland?
No wonder we have no depth!
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Am i right in saying, in the last few years we have had 6 players/rookies leave the club by themselves or by being sacked mid season?
Conners, MacDonald, Taylor, Roberts, O'Reilly and Heslin.
We are either recruiting the wrong guys or maybe there's something that stinks down at Tigerland?
No wonder we have no depth!
Would suggest the recruiting is majorly to blame, in these players cases.
All 6 are softer mentally than a used car shammy.
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Big cross on whoever does contracts.
Contracting Graham and Browne for long deals for sub par players is poor.
McGuane contract extention was a joke.
McMahons aswell.
Too many Tigers get contracted on long deals and end up playing their last year in Coburg on AFL wages.
Don't mention Daniel Jacksons 2 year deal at the beginning of this year that was swept under the carpet so members didn't backlash.
Not good enough.
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Grimes. Rance. Morris.
Batchelor. Griffiths. Helbig.
Ellis. Deledio. Conca
Edwards. Elton. Tuck.
OHanlon. Riewoldt. Newman.
IMaric. Martin. Cotchin.
Grigg. Dea. Nahas.
Sub and emg from: foley*. Arnot. GibsonTurner. Houli. Astbury. Vickery. Browne.
From there onwards its slim pickings
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assuming the following go at seasons end. connors, macdonald, graham, mcguane, white, webberley, post derickx.. rookies miller heslin with newman going to the vet list.thats nine out ten in.
that leaves the following 30 players not including rookies with age at the start of next yr 25th march. games played and ranking. A = elite. B = very good. C = good. D = development. BS = below standard.
arnot - D. 19yrs 155days. 0 - 5 games.
astbury - D. 22yrs 27 days. 15 - 20 games.
batchelor - D/C That is development player with current ranking of good. 21yrs 40 days. 30 plus games.
browne - D. 22YRS 242DAYS. 12 games.
conca - D/C. 20 YRS 206 days. 30 plus games.
cotchin - A 22YR 352 Days. 80 plus games
dea - D. 21YRS 146 days. 17 plus games.
deledio - A. 25YRS 341 days. 170 odd games.
edwards - BS/C that is below standard to good. 24yrs 151 days. 115 odd games.
ellis - D. 19yrs 205days. 20 odd games.
elton - D. 19 yrs 311 days. 0 to 5 games.
foley - C/B. 27yrs 198 days. 120 odd games.
griffiths - D. 21yrs 189 days. 15 to 20 odd games.
grigg - C. 24yrs 340 days. 80 plus games.
grimes - D, CB THAT IS HES VERY MUCH A DEVELOPMENT PLAYER WHO RATES GOOD TO VERY GOOD ATM.21YRS 252 DAYS. 17 TO 20 ODD GAMES.
helbig - D. 21yrs 25 days. 10 to 15 odd games.
houli - C. 24yrs 217 days. 65 to 70 odd games.
jackson - BS. 26yrs 334 days. 120 odd games.
king - BS. 29yrs 1 day. 83 games.
i maric - C/B. 27YRS 55 days. 95 odd games.
martin - B. 21yrs 272 days. 60 odd games.
moore - C 29YRS 0 days. 85 TO 90 odd games.
morris - C. 24yrs 84days. 15 to 20 odd games.
nahas - BS/C. 25YRS 231 days. 75 odd games.
newman - C. 30YRS 311 DAYS. 210 odd games.
ohanlon - D. 19 yrs 232 days. 5 odd games.
rance - C. 23yrs 167 days. 65 odd games.
riewoldt B. 24YRS 145 days. 105 odd games.
Tuck - C. 31yrs 91 days. 155 to 160 odd games.
vickery- D 22yrs 298 days 54 games.
so at the start of next yr we will have.
15 aged 22 or under so half of the available players or likely players are in development age.
1 23 yo .
5 24 yo.
2 25yo.
1 26yo
2 27yo
just 11 players in the most critical age bracket it is a real problem.
2 29 yo.
1 30yo
1 31 yo.
good and bad here the good is we wont have too many retiring on us the bad is a few more around 28 30 would not kill us.
games played
at the start of next yr
13 players will have played somewhere between 0 and 49 games. this will go close to 20 players if we cut the players mentioned and take mostly kids.
10 players will have played 50 to 99 games not enough imo want another 5 at least in this bracket.
6 players will have played 100 to 200 games want double that number.
1 player will have played 220+ plus games.
rankings and yes they are just my opinion but even if i have a third of them wrong the situation is dire.
D = Development players some may be good players already but have only been around 2 or 3 yrs. i have 13 in this bracket and once again that will swell if we take as many kids as we should at seasons end. remember it does not include rookies. im only talking about the list proper.
C = Good solid player. I HAVE 10 IN THIS CATEGORY SOME ARE BORDERLINE BELOW STANDARD SOME ARE BORDERLINE V/GOOD.
B= very good player. JUST 2 IN THIS CATEGORY.
A = ELITE. JUST 2 IN THIS CATEGORY.
BS = below standard. 3 in this category again theres some others in othe categories who are borderline.
to me there is clearly not enough real quality spread thru out the list and clearly brings into question our depth. also even if we were to keep older experienced players like mcguane white and one or two others it will not greatly change the above.
we literally need a shedload of our 22 and unders to come thru and take over but that is not going to happen until they get enough games and experience into them. this is purely a age depth games experience look at it . when you break it down further into typeof player heights positions it reads much the same.
it wont happen quickly and it will only happen if we get recruiting and development spot on.
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I dont want see Adam Maric and Angus Graham in our team again.Better off going 2 players short in a games.Why was Maric picked up for???.Give me a hungry kid that wants to play afl footy anyday of the week like Willie Wheeler.
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A Maric and Graham must be delisted
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Not delisted just delete them
They couldn't be for real
There both just IPhone apps
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Not delisted just delete them
They couldn't be for real
There both just IPhone apps
:lol
One of your best Jack!
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Newman hides again. The fish stinks from the head. Houli resigned what a joke.
I give up on these jokers giving jobs to the boys
More prayer rooms was obvious after saterday night :bow
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2 more.
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Richo is still on the books with some fancy job title. Boys club seriously how can he help us on the field without actuall having a physical presence
Cut the umbilical cord tigers we need professionalism not good nice blokes
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Contracting Graham and Browne for long deals for sub par players is poor.
BrownE - long term deal :huh He is on a 1 year deal that ends at the end of this season
As for Gus yes he was given a 3 year contract and that was a mistake because there's a season to go