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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: MADTIGER2010 on July 23, 2012, 03:08:07 PM
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I reckon these 6 should go:
macdonald
connors
moore-lost too much pace
miller-in the way of development
mcguane-not the answer for key position
graham
These should stay:
post-this bloke has more talent than almost every tall on our list, his intensity is lifting
white-good depth
derrickx-worth another year
browne-still hope for him
a maric-unsure, 1 more year maybe?
webberley-unsure, 1 more year maybe?
With 4 talls going, Post surely should be persisted with. Derrickx given 1 more year too imo. I reckon 1 of A Maric and Webberley will be kept
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Webberley, Maric, BrownE, Derrickx all gone along with what you had in your first 6 (although reckon they keep Moore and Graham is contracted). Touch and go with Post and White. There's also the Irish guy that buggered off
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What I cant understand is we have been giving easy games to Miller and MGaune and Post finally gets a crack on the weekend after rd 1.Alot more to work with him in the team.Confidence is what Post needs and that comes with game time !!!!.
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I reckon Connors should stay.
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I reckon Connors should stay.
And Mac Donald.
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I reckon Connors should stay.
And Mac Donald.
Good guys/players.
Bleed for the club.
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Wht does it matter?
Our coaching staff don't know how to get an average player to give 100%.
They rely on natural superstars to keep their job
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i have a list of about 19 including rookies that i think should be upgraded on.
reckon 7 is the number we will cut so will name who i think the worst 7 are.
connors - delisted already. hope we learn the lesson at last with taking his type.
macdonald - see connors
so in effect we are looking at making a decision on just 5.
white - just a poor player. surely 7 plus yrs is enough we need to move on people.
mcguane - see white.
graham - how has he survived so long.
webberley - not up to standard. was worth trying as a mature player.
derickx. - 25yr old who hasnt shown a thing in two yrs as a mature recruit. reload and try again.
rookies
miller - theres no point in keeping him just taking games of a kid.
heslin - already gone home.
a maric - reckon hes gone but personally id give him another yr see something in him.
wright verrier darrou. havent seen much of them this yr reckon one will be in the gun.
safe
post - atm, maybe if he plays for the rest of the season and struggles he could be in trouble.
a maric - this is hope more than anything else. i like a lot about him but his poor is poor.
browne - purely on an age basis. has to start taking some decent steps.
edwards - for now at least.had him in the gun for yrs but since about rnd 8 or 9 his form has been pretty decent. to stay safe he has to perform no worse than he does now.thats the questioncan he? or will he revert back to mediocrity like he has his whole career.
nahas - like edwards safe for now only because there are worse. have absolutely no doubt we need to upgrade on him.
jackson - safe for now but would be the first i would cut if not contracted.
king - just too limited hes vfl standard. like edwards safe for now only because he gives just a bit more than others.
moore. - bloody hell we nursed him thru injury for two yrs and his two comeback games have not been all that bad.
houli - obviously hes safe in the short term but he is one i would be looking to upgrade on in time.
tuck - well age alone says hes probably only got a couple more seasons left in him no matter what you think of him as a player.
newman - see tuck.
development players well wont go there, you can be sure though not all are going to make it.
theres lots of decisions that have to be made on players not just this yr but coming seasons.
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8 posts are a plenty on a footy field
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One Rob from Cranbourne is too many.
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I think we will cut deep.
Delist
Connors - Gone
White - Bit player hasn't taken the steps required and can upgrade.
Webberley - Decent kick but slow, weak, poor defensively.
Derrickx - Classic inbetweener. Hasn't shown enough.
MacDonald - Gone
Graham - Built like Tarzan, plays like Jane.
Moore - Too slow. Injuries have taken their toll.
In the gun depending on what unfolds for the rest of the year:
McGuane
Post
Miller
A Maric
Heslin
One other
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Will be interesting who they keep and who they delist given the injuries we have had and the lack of certain types of players -
From the Main List
Definites
Connors
McDonald
Webberley
Probables
Miller (may be moved to coaching duties)
White (lack of midfield depth his only possible savior)
Graham (lack of ruck depth may save him)
Derickx (see Gus)
Possibles
McGuane (Trade bait :huh Hasn't shown anything to make me think he deserves a spot over Vickery, Elton or even Miller imo_
Moore (will probably get another year but has been underwealming particularly compared to his younger competition for spots)
Browne (depends on other ruck delistings)
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Moore - Too slow. Injuries have taken their toll.
Moore is a really interesting one isn't it?
It's a great story to have come back from those ops - fantastic story
However, what last Sunday showed is not only how slow he is speed wise but in also slow decision making wise he has become. Perhaps that comes from missing 2 years of footy but even allowing for missing 2 years you have to question if being out that long is too much and more importantly can the RFC really afford to have wait and see if he gets all those things back?
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Who knows who goes, who knows who stays...
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Moore - Too slow. Injuries have taken their toll.
Moore is a really interesting one isn't it?
It's a great story to have come back from those ops - fantastic story
However, what last Sunday showed is not only how slow he is speed wise but in also slow decision making wise he has become. Perhaps that comes from missing 2 years of footy but even allowing for missing 2 years you have to question if being out that long is too much and more importantly can the RFC really afford to have wait and see if he gets all those things back?
Is he able to be rookied if delisted? This may be a path they go down (Polak).
Connors
Macdonald
White
McGuane
Graham
Webberley
Derickx
A Maric
Heslin
I reckon the above all gone, which means Post may survive purely a numbers thing.
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Is he able to be rookied if delisted? This may be a path they go down (Polak).
Yep he is but he would have to nominate and would be available to other clubs - that's the only "risk" not that it's really a risk as I don't think any other team would select him
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Is he able to be rookied if delisted? This may be a path they go down (Polak).
I wouldn't personally, not with his injury history.
Prefer we got a fresh option on the list.
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However, what last Sunday showed is not only how slow he is speed wise but in also slow decision making wise he has become. Perhaps that comes from missing 2 years of footy but even allowing for missing 2 years you have to question if being out that long is too much and more importantly can the RFC really afford to have wait and see if he gets all those things back?
Let's see how he goes for the remaining games. I would probably keep him on for another year, as a depth player if nothing else.
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Is he able to be rookied if delisted? This may be a path they go down (Polak).
I wouldn't personally, not with his injury history.
Prefer we got a fresh option on the list.
I'm with you, think his body is past it unfortunately.
The club will possibly explore a rookie option though, in the hope with a fool pre-season he can come on.
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11 to go.
macdonald
connors
moore
miller
graham
white
derrickx
browne
a maric
webberley
ohanlon
Should try trading Jackson, Edwards and Newman. Sell them off while they might have some value. Keep McGuane. He is still young. Unlike most talls, he is good at ground level and defensively. Can play HF with Cloke at CHF and Jack at FF. Should stretch any defence.
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11 to go.
macdonald
connors
moore
miller
graham
white
derrickx
browne
a maric
webberley
ohanlon
Should try trading Jackson, Edwards and Newman. Sell them off while they might have some value. Keep McGuane. He is still young. Unlike most talls, he is good at ground level and defensively. Can play HF with Cloke at CHF and Jack at FF. Should stretch any defence.
unless they can trade him Graham wont be going anywhere as he is contracted
At 30 no one is going to be interested in Newman and outside of that the obvious thing is the club wont trade him - as the 2012 captain they wont trade him
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11 to go.
macdonald
connors
moore
miller
graham
white
derrickx
browne
a maric
webberley
ohanlon
Should try trading Jackson, Edwards and Newman. Sell them off while they might have some value. Keep McGuane. He is still young. Unlike most talls, he is good at ground level and defensively. Can play HF with Cloke at CHF and Jack at FF. Should stretch any defence.
Ohanlon interesting delist there. :juggle
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Just chucking out 2 names for debate - Brisbane have dropped Cornelius and Polec this week for no apparent reason (to me anyway) and I rate them both. Thoughts from the group if it's worth chasing either of these 2?
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Yes and yes
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Yes for both
Brisbane have a good list
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The Smokester delivers :clapping
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11 to go.
macdonald
connors
moore
miller
graham
white
derrickx
browne
a maric
webberley
ohanlon
Should try trading Jackson, Edwards and Newman. Sell them off while they might have some value. Keep McGuane. He is still young. Unlike most talls, he is good at ground level and defensively. Can play HF with Cloke at CHF and Jack at FF. Should stretch any defence.
assuning we have picks close to 8, 30,31, 48, 64, psd, free agency.
likely list proper trade/delists
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browne/derickx/graham - as wp said graham is contracted so i reckon he will be the one they retain. the other two gone. means we need to draft a young ruckman and a mid.
connors/macdonald - gone means we need to draft a medium sized forward and one mid.
webberley - vfl standard. hbf we have a few so his spot may go to a genuine mid.
white - vfl standard. should be replaced by a genuine mid.
mcguane - out of contract and offers nothing. need to draft a tall defender or two.
likely rookies to get cut
miller - offers nothing. replace with tall forward.
heslin - already gone. hbf but as stated we have that covered take a positional need.
maybe one other possibly verrier maybe even a maric.
your post has 9 from the list proper it wont happen. reckon 7 is the absolute maximum they will chop from list proper. 9 would be great but that would mean we cut contracted players i think.unbelievably we may even have to cut contracted players to get 7 delists not 100% sure.
of those 9 i reckon moore ohanlon and one of the ruckmen are safe.
i also think a maric will be retained on the rookie list.
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Dιjΰ vu
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miller
Jackson
Mcgaune
Graham
Connors
Macdonald
Thatd be my starting point
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Just chucking out 2 names for debate - Brisbane have dropped Cornelius and Polec this week for no apparent reason (to me anyway) and I rate them both. Thoughts from the group if it's worth chasing either of these 2?
I like Polec but think the question mark against right at the minute is the same as with alot of young players and that's the defensive side of his game. Needs alot of work on it but I am a little surprised that he doesn't get more consecutive games because he seems to have alot of upside. Would certainly look at him :thumbsup
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Just chucking out 2 names for debate - Brisbane have dropped Cornelius and Polec this week for no apparent reason (to me anyway) and I rate them both. Thoughts from the group if it's worth chasing either of these 2?
I like Polec but think the question mark against right at the minute is the same as with alot of young players and that's the defensive side of his game. Needs alot of work on it but I am a little surprised that he doesn't get more consecutive games because he seems to have alot of upside. Would certainly look at him :thumbsup
I agree. Brisbane playing Merrett forward most of this year, with Brown back might have made it hard for Cornelius though. Probably has upside but we've already got blokes like Elton to work on. Polec might be struggling to crack a permanent spot in the Lions because they do have a pretty ripper young midfield. Maybe he's there so they can reshuffle after Black goes. But even then you would think they would be trying to pump some more games into him.
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Robbo has Daniel Jackson being one of those needing to be replaced ...
TEN THINGS I DISLIKE
1. Richmond
Try to feel sorry for them, but can't find it within. Ballsed-up the final minutes on Saturday night and they only have themselves to blame. Talk all you like about the goal review, which is just horrendous, but this game was about Richmond once again failing in skill level and decision-making. In other words, they are not a good side. Hardwick has stripped the list and he needs to continue. Names such as Jackson, A. Maric, McGuane, Derickx, Miller, Webberley, White, Post might need replacing to add depth.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/expert-opinion/carlton-coach-brett-ratten-not-gone-yet-after-courageous-month/story-fn5937w8-1226438021328
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Hardwick has stripped the list and he needs to continue. Names such as Jackson, A. Maric, McGuane, Derickx, Miller, Webberley, White, Post might need replacing to add depth.
Welcome to OER, Robbo :cheers
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Hardwick has stripped the list and he needs to continue. Names such as Jackson, A. Maric, McGuane, Derickx, Miller, Webberley, White, Post might need replacing to add depth.
Welcome to OER, Robbo :cheers
He didn't miss with any of those names but he did forget KICP.
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Hardwick has stripped the list and he needs to continue. Names such as Jackson, A. Maric, McGuane, Derickx, Miller, Webberley, White, Post might need replacing to add depth.
Welcome to OER, Robbo :cheers
I think Robbo has been reading this forum on a regular basis hahaha
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Jackson has kicked 1 goal 8 behinds in the past 5 weeks!!
Enough said.
Take this as fact. We will never be any good whilst he is at Richmond.
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Delist the following
Browne
Connors
White -
Webberley -
Derrickx
MacDonald
Graham
McGuane
A Maric
Heslin
Jackson should be traded. His missed shots at North were critical. Just doesn't have the necessary skills to take us forward
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One Rob from Cranbourne is too many.
:lol :thumbsup
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Jackson should be traded. His missed shots at North were critical. Just doesn't have the necessary skills to take us forward
Some other clubs would love him and it would be a good chance to get a pick or player
Straight swap for Chaplin
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Delist the following
Browne
Connors
White -
Webberley -
Derrickx
MacDonald
Graham
McGuane
A Maric
Heslin
Jackson should be traded. His missed shots at North were critical. Just doesn't have the necessary skills to take us forward
I pretty much agree with all your list. The only problem I have is getting rid of all of our backup ruckmen. None of the three appear any good but I would like to see Browne have a go (giving I Maric a rest now that the season is spent) before the year is out to see if he deserves to keep his spot. If he doesn't and we don't bring in a solid ruck backup via the VFL or trade, then Gus will have to stay :'(
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I think that we need to review player > 3 years at the club bracket (i.e. debuted prior to 2009) and see if there is any hope that they can improve and give the club something moving forward:
Angus Graham 48 games since 2007 get him to 50 and trade him. Style of game not suited to Tigers game plan needs to be more mobile and get to more contests. No aggression for a big man. One dimensional in the ruck goes up, turns body and taps down all the time!
Verdict Trade someone will take him you would think (GWS)
Daniel Jackson 118 games since 2004 does not show too much leadership with his discipline problems. Cannot create and does not lock down opposition players effectively any more Trade or delist. Frees against High, Clangers High.
Verdict Trade, be a good fit at the Bulldogs
Jake King 84 games since 2007 - Frees against High, Clangers High, 5 goals in 9 games but cannot have him and Jackson in the same team because of discipline problems. Probably will play on as close to 100 games but needs to lift and produce more.
Verdict Keep 1 year
Dean MacDonald yet to debut and on personal leave so dont know what the story is. You would like to get some return on investment, but another player could be playing in his spot?
Verdict - Delist
Addam Maric 10 games 1 goal for Tigers. Experiment failed if anyone has anything positive to say about this player, then please feel free to provide it.
Verdict Delist fruit from the poison tree, no one would touch
Luke McGuane 88 games since 2006 cannot play back, cannot play forward, Frees against High, clangers high not a chance of staying.
Verdict Trade, good fit for Gold Coast or Brisbane
Brad Miller too slow and cannot kick straight time to retire
Verdict Retirement Villa
Kelvin Moore too early to call and given resources put into rehabilitation need a return on investment here. He should make the call himself if he cannot compete at the level again. Reckon if he does not come up to scratch by year end he will retire
Verdict Retain 1 year to see if comes good
Matthew White 85 games since 2006. He should be playing more consistently by now. Should be dominating at VFL level but doesnt.
Verdict Trade Sydney would probably benefit from his services
Andrew Browne - if we are ditching Graham then we need to start getting games out of Browne. He needs to improve him mobility and aggression. The one thing he has over Graham is the fact that he can tap the ball to a variety of positions.
Verdict Keep
Chris Newman - need to look at another role for the skipper. Getting stale and hard tagged on the half back line. Alternatives are forward line or wing but next year he would make a really good super sub as he will hand over the captaincy to Cotchin & Co. From the reaction to last weeks loss he may think that he would retire but I think he deserves to play on.
Verdict Keep
Jack Riewoldt There is no doubt he can play, but his recent modus operandi is not beneficial to game. Leading to pockets and wont extend hands, too much wrestling and body work opposition has him covered most games. He needs to stand up and adapt his game because we have seen the same game style 3 weeks in a row to produce 2 goals??
Verdict keep but if we get a good offer take it.
Shane Tuck, Robin Nahas, Shane Edwards, Brett Deledio, Nathan Foley, Bashar Houli, Sean Griggs, Ivan Maric, Trent Cotchin have performed consistently in their own ways and will provide the basis of experience.
Verdicts keep
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Ripping post, Papster :clapping
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Is it time?
Paul Daffey
afl.com.au
Wed 01 August, 2012
The AFL website looks at every player from every club and considers who is ripe for retirement and who will go around again in 2013.
RICHMOND
Brad Miller: The 29-year-old has been in and out of the team this season, so you'd think his place is in jeopardy. But he's likely to stay because the Tigers just like having him around. Coach Damien Hardwick has said his leadership and aggression are important traits at a club with a young list. He's also durable and he's popular among his teammates. Even if a player such as Brett O'Hanlon pushes up to become a permanent fixture as a leading forward, Miller would offer depth and a strong guiding hand in the VFL. The Tigers are likely to offer him a one-year deal.
Chris Newman: The 30-year-old is so important to the club that there doesn't seem even the remotest possibility that he'd be replaced as captain, let alone moved on from the list. As a player, his performances as the defensive distributor are so good that some clubs tag him. He's steady and durable, and, after 12 years at the club, he's highly motivated by his desire to play in his first final series. He'll be at Tigerland for a couple of years yet.
Kelvin Moore: At 28, Moore's career shouldn't be in jeopardy, but his history of hip problems raises questions about whether the Tigers will stick with him. He was brought back into the team last month after hip operations had sidelined him for a season and a half, so the signs are good, but he needs to play well over the remaining five rounds. Assuming he performs to a reasonable level, the Tigers are likely to offer him a one-year deal as the back-up for Dylan Grimes, who has a history of hamstring problems.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/143243/default.aspx
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Delist the following
Browne
Connors
White -
Webberley -
Derrickx
MacDonald
Graham
McGuane
A Maric
Heslin
Jackson should be traded. His missed shots at North were critical. Just doesn't have the necessary skills to take us forward
Pretty happy that you didn't include Miller in that list..
Oozes leadership and bleeds the yellow and black does our Brad.
Gives off a nice handball out the back and does a clever tap over the back of his head to his teammate.
Always puts on a marvelous block so that his teammates can run into open spaces.
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;D
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Delist the following
Browne
Connors
White -
Webberley -
Derrickx
MacDonald
Graham
McGuane
A Maric
Heslin
Jackson should be traded. His missed shots at North were critical. Just doesn't have the necessary skills to take us forward
Pretty happy that you didn't include Miller in that list..
Oozes leadership and bleeds the yellow and black does our Brad.
Gives off a nice handball out the back and does a clever tap over the back of his head to his teammate.
Always puts on a marvelous block so that his teammates can run into open spaces.
End the Miller farce. Promote him to senior list 2013. I feel a campaign should be started for 'Milzy'
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Jackson stays I'm sick of people bagging him
We lost to Carlton after he went off and he settled us against the lions
The only mongrels in the side are him and kingy
Protects Cotchin week in week out
must stay