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Title: Forward Line
Post by: Big Papa Bear on July 28, 2012, 11:11:53 PM
At the rate we are going we will need to recruit more tall midfielders like Cotchin & Martin and just rotate them through the Forward line.

3 goals contributed by permanent forwards Nahas (2 Goals) and MgGuano (1 goal) - just not good enough. All the rest of the goals were kicked by midfielders and defenders!

Also need Delidio to rotate Forward - he has not kicked a goal for some time - he's got to spend more time forward.

The game plan requires skill and execution but the amount of turnovers under pressure and delivery by foot is killing us!

The game plan does not stack up if forward line does not contribute
Title: Re: Forward Line
Post by: Dubstep Dookie on July 28, 2012, 11:12:29 PM
Big Pappi  :clapping
Title: Re: Forward Line
Post by: 10 FLAGS on July 28, 2012, 11:12:40 PM
Who is the forward line coach? Whoever it is can we send him to Carlton next year?
Title: Re: Forward Line
Post by: Lozza on July 28, 2012, 11:16:14 PM
Still cannot fathom why when it started to rain we run towards the 50 and then chip into the pocket. For a start Riewoldt had hands like Teflon pans tonight and secondly even if he got possession he was completely off target anyway. To me the common sense approach would be kick to the hot spot at the top of the square and look for the spilt ball, if was a defender i would much prefer to see the ball coming deep into the pocket.
Title: Re: Forward Line
Post by: greyhound bob on July 28, 2012, 11:53:11 PM
WHAT FORWARD LINE NON EXISTANT, NO SUCH THING AS FORWARD LINE PRESSURE AT THIS CLUB HASN;T BEEN FOR 20 YRS..BALL COMES OUT TWICE AS FAST AS IT GOES IN
Title: Re: Forward Line
Post by: Big Papa Bear on July 29, 2012, 07:32:35 AM
McGuane giving away 5 free kicks in fwd half did not help. Then Rance and Conca gave away a few in the back half as well.
Title: Re: Forward Line
Post by: 10 FLAGS on July 29, 2012, 09:53:41 AM
Who is the forward line coach? Whoever it is can we send him to Carlton next year?

SACK THE FORWARD LINE COACH!
Title: Re: Forward Line
Post by: tdy on July 29, 2012, 12:02:06 PM
At the rate we are going we will need to recruit more tall midfielders like Cotchin & Martin and just rotate them through the Forward line.

3 goals contributed by permanent forwards Nahas (2 Goals) and MgGuano (1 goal) - just not good enough. All the rest of the goals were kicked by midfielders and defenders!

Also need Delidio to rotate Forward - he has not kicked a goal for some time - he's got to spend more time forward.

The game plan requires skill and execution but the amount of turnovers under pressure and delivery by foot is killing us!

The game plan does not stack up if forward line does not contribute

Reiwoldt is playing terribly.  Is he injured?
He needs to bulk up to improve his speed and wrestling ability.
Structurally we need to find a big power forward, is Vickery the answer, don't know yet.

Our small forwards are covered for next year I think in Edwards, Nahas and King, longer term it would be nice to upgrade on some of them but realistically its not a weak area of our list, so I doubt we'd move on that area this draft.  Next draft probably we will as King is getting long in the tooth and might even retire at the end of next year.

We could also do with a second ruck who can move forward and provide an extra tall in offense.  Again is that Vickery, maybe even Astbury or do we go and recruit, I'd be looking to draft one if we could, because Astbury seems to be non existant and Vickery has dodgy shoulders and may not make it. 

The other great wisdom has been draft half forwards, because if they are no good they can become half back.  And we need both.


 
Title: Re: Forward Line
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on July 29, 2012, 01:21:46 PM
Know I know what RFC stands for.

Riewoldt Football Club.

There's your answer boys.

If we can rename it back to Richmond Football Club and have this bloke who kicked 78 goals in a season a few years ago back on board and playing that sort of footy then we may have found an answer to a small problem that has gradually become a much larger issue since he knocked his head on the MCG turf in Round 2 2011 against the Saints where he has become bigger than the bigger picture if you get my drift lads. :shh
Title: Re: Forward Line
Post by: Phil Mrakov on July 29, 2012, 01:28:55 PM
Big Pappi
Title: Re: Forward Line
Post by: eliminator on July 29, 2012, 01:36:35 PM
Need to develop or get a quality crumbing forward who can lead well as well.
Title: Re: Forward Line
Post by: Tigermonk on July 29, 2012, 04:13:02 PM
We been talking for weeks how bad Rewoldt has been playing from behind & sooking to the umpires to get a easy kick, all while the ball is being carried out of the forward line.
The forward line coach & Hardwick are certainly not getting through to this guy cause he has nothing between those ears but illicit thoughts
Title: Re: Forward Line
Post by: Ox on July 29, 2012, 04:15:59 PM
i think Jack needs a good belting to bring him back to earth

How bad is his gambling ??
Title: Re: Forward Line
Post by: Tigermonk on July 29, 2012, 04:21:29 PM
i think Jack needs a good belting to bring him back to earth

How bad is his gambling ??

Bring him down ;D l will gladly hand out the punishment  :lol
Title: Re: Forward Line
Post by: Ox on July 29, 2012, 04:23:57 PM
imo,if he kicks a bag in the remaining games it's proof he's a weak dog.

So fcken angry today
Title: Re: Forward Line
Post by: Tigermonk on July 29, 2012, 04:26:52 PM
imo,if he kicks a bag in the remaining games it's proof he's a weak dog.

So stuffen angry today

l feel your pain beleive me. Aint nothing worse than getting beat by that cheating scum side.
Even worse when we give it too them & they only fielding half a side makes me mad.
Title: Re: Forward Line
Post by: Ox on July 29, 2012, 04:28:31 PM
zackly
Title: Re: Forward Line
Post by: Penelope on July 29, 2012, 05:00:13 PM
the year jack won the coleman the game plan was to isolate jack one out as often possible. This played to his strenghts, reading the flight of the ball, a good leap, and very good when the ball hit the deck. he was able to do this , more often than not, without the hindrance of extra backmen scragging and blocking him.

Hardwick said, and rightly so, that we had to get other avenues to goal besides jack, so the have tried to create a multi pronged forward line.

This has not been sucessfull for a number of reasons, some of which are down to jack, and some which are beyond his control.

But he needs to rectify those which are within his controll. The problem, besides his attitude, is that IMO, he has never been a lead up type forward. seriously, how often has jacke taken a mark, arms outstretched, on the lead, even in his coleman winning year?

Unless he can add this string to his bow, he will only cut the mustard with another quality, bustling type forward along side him in the forward line.

he is not suited to being the sole key target, under the current game plan, but you select your players to the game plan, not revolve a game plan around one player. It may have worked for north with carey, but he was something special.
Title: Re: Forward Line
Post by: Big Papa Bear on July 29, 2012, 06:04:37 PM
• Nahas & Edwards have been ok in the forward line but if they get smashed in contests - fact is their frames are too light and usually they play poorly the next week.

• Jake King is built so can take a hit, but his poor discipline getter the better of him and has not kicked goals
Title: Re: Forward Line
Post by: Coach on July 29, 2012, 08:02:44 PM
Riewoldt should be up there in the Coleman. No excuse for him not to be. They kick it to him every stuffing time. His nut huggers then tell us that he's playing good footy because he's 2nd in the coleman. Yeah 2nd with 40 something goals from 5000 marking attempts. Yipppeee
Title: Re: Forward Line
Post by: Judge Roughneck on July 30, 2012, 02:16:38 AM
Lack a mid fwd more than there is words.

Lack 2nd tall forward

Lack.3rd tall

Quite frankly all our small forwards are xrookies and not a.rioli.
Title: Re: Forward Line
Post by: Francois Jackson on July 30, 2012, 07:50:20 AM
Lack a mid fwd more than there is words.

Lack 2nd tall forward

Lack.3rd tall

Quite frankly all our small forwards are xrookies and not a.rioli.

Spot on

Can carry one, just one. Nahas IMO

Carry Edwards who is back to his spud best and King in same side is fantasy island all over again



Title: Re: Forward Line
Post by: RollsRoyce on July 30, 2012, 08:25:07 AM
One thing I have noticed is that ever since the Freo game, sides have become very adept at clogging up our forward line. Even in the narrow wins against Melbourne and GWS, for long periods of the game we haven't been able to find enough space to swing a cat in our forward 50. Yet when they break, opposition sides frequently find themselves one out against our defenders with plenty of room to move.
Of course it doesn't help that (a) we continue to bomb the ball in instead of passing chest high, lace-out (b) Jack either leads to the pockets, or tries to wrestle his opponent (c) the umpires refuse to pay him frees when he is being absolutely monstered, compared to frees against our backs for the most incidental of contact (have a look at the first goal to Betts for the latest in a long line of examples) (d) we have no CHF (e) crumbers like Edwards, Nahas and King can run as hot and cold as a tap.
Title: Re: Forward Line
Post by: unplugged on July 30, 2012, 08:57:37 AM
We have a game plan that relies on precision skills.  As soon as they lock down Cotchin and Deledio, its all over.  Ball movement is so ponderous and slow that the only place left for Jack to lead is the pocket.  If he leads into the corridor, its a pack contest and he has to take a specci.  Problem is, our team doesn't have the skills to deliver the ball into the pocket and he doesn't have the confidence to take marks in front of his face running at an angle.  (Unless you want him to do a knee aka Richo)  When he does take the occasional mark, he is in an impossible position to kick a goal from.  You could see Hardwick got into his head during the week about his anger issues.  Round 18 is too late to be doing that.  Focus should be on his footy.  Riewoldt spent more time not trying to lose his cool than trying to win the football.  Its all an erosion of confidence with Jack and you can thank Hardwick for all of it. 

If we did clear the forward line out and moved the ball quickly and directly to him, at least we would be able to kick a winning score and our unskilled players would have a chance of delivering it to him.  We would be much more predicable which would be a good thing because the players right now are so confused by what the coach wants them to do and what they are actually capable of that they are completely lost.  No amount of threats will change that.

If opposition sat on Riewoldt, then it would open up easy goals for Cotchin, Deledio, Martin. (and our team of running players)  A game plan that under utilizes your best forward isn't a game plan, its sublime stupidity.  This premiership game plan Hardwick has burdened us with does not work with our playing list.  Its cost us two finals series already.  Its hard to imagine, but it could cost a third next year unless something dramatic happens at the recruiting table.
Title: Re: Forward Line
Post by: Judge Roughneck on July 30, 2012, 03:06:30 PM
In regards to quickness of ball use

A) this is why Jackson is so funny. He will receive the ball often on a half back stuff. And it as if time slows down. Not in a good way. And you can see the gears in his head slowly ticking away.

If Richmond were on football manager.game jackoa awareness would be 4/20.

B) the plan for jack to led to the pocket looks shocking when Jack can't mark with his hand out. Run faster towards the ball rather slowing down. With the overall inside 50 kicking poor.
Title: Re: Forward Line
Post by: Tigermonk on July 30, 2012, 03:40:57 PM
Rewoldt stands still while the ball is moving through the midfield. Too late to lead at the last seconds, you got to be moving so the mids can hit you up.
Watch Cloke his on the move constantly. fair enough he is a longer & more penetrating kick of the ball but Jack Rewoldt is a lazy footballer. Why ? l love to tell you all the real story but l would be banned  ;D
Title: Re: Forward Line
Post by: Yeahright on July 30, 2012, 04:36:09 PM
Rewoldt stands still while the ball is moving through the midfield. Too late to lead at the last seconds, you got to be moving so the mids can hit you up.
Watch Cloke his on the move constantly. fair enough he is a longer & more penetrating kick of the ball but Jack Rewoldt is a lazy footballer. Why ? l love to tell you all the real story but l would be banned  ;D

Talk poo get hit
Title: Re: Forward Line
Post by: Coach on July 30, 2012, 06:07:08 PM
Jack Riewoldt used to post on Big Footy before getting drafted. True story
Title: Re: Forward Line
Post by: one-eyed on July 31, 2012, 10:45:01 PM
Richmond in need of a better spread of goalkickers

    Matt Windley
    From: Herald Sun
    July 29, 2012


MIDFIELDERS want too much.

They get the most touches, they're the highest paid, but they want more.

They want goals, lots of them.

Hawthorn is going from strength to strength without Lance Franklin, Dane Swan slotted five for Collingwood yesterday before Coleman medallist Jack Riewoldt was reduced to the role of decoy in last night's opening half.

Trent Cotchin could have been Tony Lockett such was his strength and skill playing predominantly at full-forward in the first term.

Dustin Martin had his name on any ground ball inside attacking 50 and slotted three goals.

Brett Deledio even took his opponent deep to try to exploit one-on-one situations.

But if fans thought the goalkicking form of the midfield trio was too good to be true, it was.

It looked great in the first quarter, with five goals between Martin and Cotchin, but it took 39 minutes for the Tiges to register their next major - to another midfielder, Shane Tuck - at the six-minute mark of the third term.

Damien Hardwick has often said his side is better with an even spread of goalkickers.

But the Tigers aren't going to go from contenders to real deal until the forward structure is sorted.

Riewoldt went goalless last night - and it must be said Michael Jamison was superb - but too many of the Tigers' 54 inside 50s were long, high and hopeful.

Will Tyrone Vickery battle back from a shoulder injury next year? Does the club look at Travis Cloke?

If Ivan Maric was a priority last summer, key forward X is this off-season's must-have for the Tiges.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/richmond-in-need-of-a-better-spread-of-goalkickers/story-e6frf9jf-1226437671628
Title: Re: Forward Line
Post by: rogerd3 on July 31, 2012, 11:29:01 PM
Rewoldt stands still while the ball is moving through the midfield. Too late to lead at the last seconds, you got to be moving so the mids can hit you up.
Watch Cloke his on the move constantly. fair enough he is a longer & more penetrating kick of the ball but Jack Rewoldt is a lazy footballer. Why ? l love to tell you all the real story but l would be banned  ;D

dont we all know the story by now. :thumbsup
Title: Re: Forward Line
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on August 01, 2012, 01:00:20 AM
I reckon jack has a groin problem.

He can't lead. Groin issues hamper burst leading.
When he does lead he only does in 1 qtr probably until the jab wears out.
He's kicking poorly which he's always usually been good at.

Looks like he's managing groin soreness.
Title: Re: Forward Line
Post by: Big Papa Bear on August 01, 2012, 11:33:55 AM
Jack is probably managing some injury but who know what it is?

• He is not taking contested marks.
• He's not leading to good spots in the forward line and not extending his arms.
• When the ball spills, usually the crumbers are not in the right spots.
• He can't chase well and can only tackle if the back-man is unlucky enough to be within his range.
• Playing for easy free kicks instead of working hard for the ball

Need to ask what the coaching staff is doing to maximise his impact on the ground to benefit the team. At present Jack is floating around the 50 mark and the boundary lines not having much impact.

I would have thought the coaches need to go old school Full Forward and play him deep in the pockets/goal square to get as many one on ones as possible or get a good run at the ball. He may possible get a few cheap ones which would get his confidence going.

This would require a Griffiths/Elton/Derrickx type to play a true Centre half fwd target to demand the ball with three of the crumbers playing high (Edwards, Nahas & and dare I say Newman) to pump the ball in deep or have shots at goal if in the clear. The would leave a lot of space between the fifty and goal square for Jack to operate in with King to crumb deep. There is also nothing stopping the midfielders coming through if we get space to run and scoring goals.

Title: Re: Forward Line
Post by: JVT on August 01, 2012, 11:46:10 AM
Low on confidence and has no help. He'd be looking forward to next season when he gets some tall bodies around him again (TV and hopefully Cloke).  :pray
Title: Re: Forward Line
Post by: one-eyed on August 22, 2012, 07:36:32 PM
Jack backs Tiger attack
By Tony Greenberg
richmondfc.com.au
Wed 22 Aug, 2012


Richmond’s key goalkicker, Jack Riewoldt, believes the Tigers will have the essential strike power up forward in 2013 to help them make a quantum leap.

Riewoldt, currently second on the competition’s Coleman Medal table with 56 goals, has pinpointed a fit Ty Vickery as crucial to the team’s forward plans.

Read the full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/145388/default.aspx
Title: Re: Forward Line
Post by: Chuck17 on August 22, 2012, 08:12:12 PM
onya jack, get around him guys and show that support
Title: Re: Forward Line
Post by: bojangles17 on August 22, 2012, 08:31:18 PM
I would have thought there would be some attention to address our front half in the off season, our midfield and defence is first class. We lack class forwards, if we could add a player like gary ablett senior or a goal kicking stuff, voila , hello top 4 :shh
Title: Re: Forward Line
Post by: dwaino on August 22, 2012, 08:32:34 PM
I would have thought there would be some attention to address our front half in the off season, our midfield and defence is first class. We lack class forwards, if we could add a player like gary ablett senior or a goal kicking stuff, voila , hello top 4 :shh

voila indeed  :shh
Title: Re: Forward Line
Post by: the claw on August 22, 2012, 10:33:29 PM
I would have thought there would be some attention to address our front half in the off season, our midfield and defence is first class. We lack class forwards, if we could add a player like gary ablett senior or a goal kicking stuff, voila , hello top 4 :shh
disagree while a work in progress the defense is ordinary. thats not to say most of the players we have cant improve and become a v/good defense.
yes we have some good mids with a few promising ones but it is as shallow as they come.
i do agree the front half needs some work but first things first. there is a greater need atm in defense and midfield. we cant fix all areas in one go.

we could do lee fwd/def, duffy med for. chaplin def  fa,  5 mids with two being mature very easily plus rookie a few mature types like hartigan kpd and dramatically improve two key areas and do just a little bit for another.

we actually have as far as tall forwards go.
griffiths nd19 , astbury nd35, riewoldt nd13 , elton nd 26,  plus ruckman forward vickery nd 8..  some would argue post nd 26 is a forward as well. there are some seriously good picks being expended in this area already.
if we have recruiting right it is a matter of development rather than expending more picks on kpfs. even with the above list if a mature kpf was available in free agency or mid nd you would seriously look at taking him. one of or even both cloke and lee should be considered.

have said this before the tall forward type we lack is a gunstan type.

we sure as hell lack for both QUALITY and nunbers of   sml and med forwards. we can and do rotate mids thru the forward line our first pick in the nd should go on  a player like jake stringer who is a genuine utility and imo the next pavlich can be played thru there if we take him or we can play midfield with just as much effect.
Title: Re: Forward Line
Post by: Loui Tufga on August 22, 2012, 11:16:39 PM
Hey Claw, I noticed Pat Contin has been in the bests for Coburg the last couple of weeks. He spent most of the first Half of the season on the sidelines with injury but seems to have come back in good form. Any chance of re rooking him? Did you rate him at all in his first stint with us?
Title: Re: Forward Line
Post by: cub on August 22, 2012, 11:32:04 PM
Said at start of year TV would be our barometer and if he could stand up and play like he saw out 2011 well I dare say we would be gearing up for September action right now.
Alas he didn't (for whatever reason), he has had a nice spell and should go into 2013 with no excuse, 'If' he can reproduce well there is one big part of the equation! Grimesy back fit  and a Chaplin will make sure defense has some depth so another Forward and Captain obvious a back Ruck and you can smell what the Tiger is cookin  ;D
Title: Re: Forward Line
Post by: mightytiges on August 25, 2012, 08:19:16 AM
Issue numero uno to fix over the summer. We really lack quality lead-up/hit-up forwards that can find space and mark say 40m out. Instead we too often just bomb the ball long to the top of the square towards the talls and hope and pray we can manufacture a goal out of nothing. It doesn't help either that our small forwards don't anticipate the fall of the ball well enough and end up flat footed and out of position (hello Robbie). When you have 42 inside 50s in a half, a return of just 8 goals is woefully inefficient. Our poor goalkicking is another issue to address over the preseason. The team as a whole including our usually reliable kicks have had the yips all year in front of the sticks and it's cost us games.
Title: Re: Forward Line
Post by: Willy on August 25, 2012, 10:18:08 AM
Summed up very well, MT.
Title: Re: Forward Line
Post by: Judge Roughneck on August 25, 2012, 07:02:36 PM
Issue numero uno to fix over the summer. We really lack quality lead-up/hit-up forwards that can find space and mark say 40m out. Instead we too often just bomb the ball long to the top of the square towards the talls and hope and pray we can manufacture a goal out of nothing. It doesn't help either that our small forwards don't anticipate the fall of the ball well enough and end up flat footed and out of position (hello Robbie). When you have 42 inside 50s in a half, a return of just 8 goals is woefully inefficient. Our poor goalkicking is another issue to address over the preseason. The team as a whole including our usually reliable kicks have had the yips all year in front of the sticks and it's cost us games.

Where do you see onhanlon.13?
Title: Re: Forward Line
Post by: the claw on August 25, 2012, 07:40:19 PM
Hey Claw, I noticed Pat Contin has been in the bests for Coburg the last couple of weeks. He spent most of the first Half of the season on the sidelines with injury but seems to have come back in good form. Any chance of re rooking him? Did you rate him at all in his first stint with us?
lliked pat a bit. thiought he would be one rookie we retained as a rookie.. thing is the rookie list is there to be turned over. cant criticise em for doing that.
Title: Re: Forward Line
Post by: eliminator on August 26, 2012, 04:51:35 PM
Agree with MT. Our poor kicking for goal is keeping sides in the contest when they should be well and truly buried.
Title: Re: Forward Line
Post by: one-eyed on December 04, 2012, 06:16:24 PM
The Club now reckons we have an  abundance of strike power up forward.

http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/152054/default.aspx