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Re: Forward Line
« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2012, 04:26:52 PM »
imo,if he kicks a bag in the remaining games it's proof he's a weak dog.

So stuffen angry today

l feel your pain beleive me. Aint nothing worse than getting beat by that cheating scum side.
Even worse when we give it too them & they only fielding half a side makes me mad.

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Re: Forward Line
« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2012, 04:28:31 PM »
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Re: Forward Line
« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2012, 05:00:13 PM »
the year jack won the coleman the game plan was to isolate jack one out as often possible. This played to his strenghts, reading the flight of the ball, a good leap, and very good when the ball hit the deck. he was able to do this , more often than not, without the hindrance of extra backmen scragging and blocking him.

Hardwick said, and rightly so, that we had to get other avenues to goal besides jack, so the have tried to create a multi pronged forward line.

This has not been sucessfull for a number of reasons, some of which are down to jack, and some which are beyond his control.

But he needs to rectify those which are within his controll. The problem, besides his attitude, is that IMO, he has never been a lead up type forward. seriously, how often has jacke taken a mark, arms outstretched, on the lead, even in his coleman winning year?

Unless he can add this string to his bow, he will only cut the mustard with another quality, bustling type forward along side him in the forward line.

he is not suited to being the sole key target, under the current game plan, but you select your players to the game plan, not revolve a game plan around one player. It may have worked for north with carey, but he was something special.
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Re: Forward Line
« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2012, 06:04:37 PM »
• Nahas & Edwards have been ok in the forward line but if they get smashed in contests - fact is their frames are too light and usually they play poorly the next week.

• Jake King is built so can take a hit, but his poor discipline getter the better of him and has not kicked goals

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Re: Forward Line
« Reply #19 on: July 29, 2012, 08:02:44 PM »
Riewoldt should be up there in the Coleman. No excuse for him not to be. They kick it to him every stuffing time. His nut huggers then tell us that he's playing good footy because he's 2nd in the coleman. Yeah 2nd with 40 something goals from 5000 marking attempts. Yipppeee

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Re: Forward Line
« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2012, 02:16:38 AM »
Lack a mid fwd more than there is words.

Lack 2nd tall forward

Lack.3rd tall

Quite frankly all our small forwards are xrookies and not a.rioli.

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Re: Forward Line
« Reply #21 on: July 30, 2012, 07:50:20 AM »
Lack a mid fwd more than there is words.

Lack 2nd tall forward

Lack.3rd tall

Quite frankly all our small forwards are xrookies and not a.rioli.

Spot on

Can carry one, just one. Nahas IMO

Carry Edwards who is back to his spud best and King in same side is fantasy island all over again



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Re: Forward Line
« Reply #22 on: July 30, 2012, 08:25:07 AM »
One thing I have noticed is that ever since the Freo game, sides have become very adept at clogging up our forward line. Even in the narrow wins against Melbourne and GWS, for long periods of the game we haven't been able to find enough space to swing a cat in our forward 50. Yet when they break, opposition sides frequently find themselves one out against our defenders with plenty of room to move.
Of course it doesn't help that (a) we continue to bomb the ball in instead of passing chest high, lace-out (b) Jack either leads to the pockets, or tries to wrestle his opponent (c) the umpires refuse to pay him frees when he is being absolutely monstered, compared to frees against our backs for the most incidental of contact (have a look at the first goal to Betts for the latest in a long line of examples) (d) we have no CHF (e) crumbers like Edwards, Nahas and King can run as hot and cold as a tap.

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Re: Forward Line
« Reply #23 on: July 30, 2012, 08:57:37 AM »
We have a game plan that relies on precision skills.  As soon as they lock down Cotchin and Deledio, its all over.  Ball movement is so ponderous and slow that the only place left for Jack to lead is the pocket.  If he leads into the corridor, its a pack contest and he has to take a specci.  Problem is, our team doesn't have the skills to deliver the ball into the pocket and he doesn't have the confidence to take marks in front of his face running at an angle.  (Unless you want him to do a knee aka Richo)  When he does take the occasional mark, he is in an impossible position to kick a goal from.  You could see Hardwick got into his head during the week about his anger issues.  Round 18 is too late to be doing that.  Focus should be on his footy.  Riewoldt spent more time not trying to lose his cool than trying to win the football.  Its all an erosion of confidence with Jack and you can thank Hardwick for all of it. 

If we did clear the forward line out and moved the ball quickly and directly to him, at least we would be able to kick a winning score and our unskilled players would have a chance of delivering it to him.  We would be much more predicable which would be a good thing because the players right now are so confused by what the coach wants them to do and what they are actually capable of that they are completely lost.  No amount of threats will change that.

If opposition sat on Riewoldt, then it would open up easy goals for Cotchin, Deledio, Martin. (and our team of running players)  A game plan that under utilizes your best forward isn't a game plan, its sublime stupidity.  This premiership game plan Hardwick has burdened us with does not work with our playing list.  Its cost us two finals series already.  Its hard to imagine, but it could cost a third next year unless something dramatic happens at the recruiting table.

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Re: Forward Line
« Reply #24 on: July 30, 2012, 03:06:30 PM »
In regards to quickness of ball use

A) this is why Jackson is so funny. He will receive the ball often on a half back flank. And it as if time slows down. Not in a good way. And you can see the gears in his head slowly ticking away.

If Richmond were on football manager.game jackoa awareness would be 4/20.

B) the plan for jack to led to the pocket looks shocking when Jack can't mark with his hand out. Run faster towards the ball rather slowing down. With the overall inside 50 kicking poor.

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Re: Forward Line
« Reply #25 on: July 30, 2012, 03:40:57 PM »
Rewoldt stands still while the ball is moving through the midfield. Too late to lead at the last seconds, you got to be moving so the mids can hit you up.
Watch Cloke his on the move constantly. fair enough he is a longer & more penetrating kick of the ball but Jack Rewoldt is a lazy footballer. Why ? l love to tell you all the real story but l would be banned  ;D

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Re: Forward Line
« Reply #26 on: July 30, 2012, 04:36:09 PM »
Rewoldt stands still while the ball is moving through the midfield. Too late to lead at the last seconds, you got to be moving so the mids can hit you up.
Watch Cloke his on the move constantly. fair enough he is a longer & more penetrating kick of the ball but Jack Rewoldt is a lazy footballer. Why ? l love to tell you all the real story but l would be banned  ;D

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Re: Forward Line
« Reply #27 on: July 30, 2012, 06:07:08 PM »
Jack Riewoldt used to post on Big Footy before getting drafted. True story

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Re: Forward Line
« Reply #28 on: July 31, 2012, 10:45:01 PM »
Richmond in need of a better spread of goalkickers

    Matt Windley
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    July 29, 2012


MIDFIELDERS want too much.

They get the most touches, they're the highest paid, but they want more.

They want goals, lots of them.

Hawthorn is going from strength to strength without Lance Franklin, Dane Swan slotted five for Collingwood yesterday before Coleman medallist Jack Riewoldt was reduced to the role of decoy in last night's opening half.

Trent Cotchin could have been Tony Lockett such was his strength and skill playing predominantly at full-forward in the first term.

Dustin Martin had his name on any ground ball inside attacking 50 and slotted three goals.

Brett Deledio even took his opponent deep to try to exploit one-on-one situations.

But if fans thought the goalkicking form of the midfield trio was too good to be true, it was.

It looked great in the first quarter, with five goals between Martin and Cotchin, but it took 39 minutes for the Tiges to register their next major - to another midfielder, Shane Tuck - at the six-minute mark of the third term.

Damien Hardwick has often said his side is better with an even spread of goalkickers.

But the Tigers aren't going to go from contenders to real deal until the forward structure is sorted.

Riewoldt went goalless last night - and it must be said Michael Jamison was superb - but too many of the Tigers' 54 inside 50s were long, high and hopeful.

Will Tyrone Vickery battle back from a shoulder injury next year? Does the club look at Travis Cloke?

If Ivan Maric was a priority last summer, key forward X is this off-season's must-have for the Tiges.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/richmond-in-need-of-a-better-spread-of-goalkickers/story-e6frf9jf-1226437671628

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Re: Forward Line
« Reply #29 on: July 31, 2012, 11:29:01 PM »
Rewoldt stands still while the ball is moving through the midfield. Too late to lead at the last seconds, you got to be moving so the mids can hit you up.
Watch Cloke his on the move constantly. fair enough he is a longer & more penetrating kick of the ball but Jack Rewoldt is a lazy footballer. Why ? l love to tell you all the real story but l would be banned  ;D

dont we all know the story by now. :thumbsup