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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Ox on July 29, 2012, 10:35:35 PM
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Seriously....
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Like.
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i suppose we need to vent and it surely a great way but as if they will
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i suppose we need to vent and it surely a great way but as if they will
Correct...... Let's fix the list first the sack then coach later!
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Ok.
So kill the BS and merely refer to Hardwick as "The Curator"
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we have improved out of site
seriuously idiots like jerkstar have no idea
we have not been thumped once yet and been there abouts in every game
we have never been so competitive and really bad luck has followed us all the way this yr
its a learning curve for everyone and imo next yr we will make it right
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Ok.
So kill the BS and merely refer to Hardwick as "The Curator"
lol.....mate I love Hardwick, was just taking the pee.....he won't be going anywhere, we will play finals under him next season be certain of that ;)
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wouldnt want to be stuck in the trenches
with some around here.
they would desert you as soon as
the first round was fired. :lol
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wouldnt want to be stuck in the trenches
with some around here.
they would desert you as soon as
the first round was fired. :lol
In the trenches with our "eat our own" attitude would be a mass suicide like a cult . The opposition would scratch their heads for years...
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If
miller lines up chf r1 2013
Graham 2nd ruckman
Jackson starting mid / leadership group
He can go.
If not he seems to need more help. Paul roos would be a good football director.
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Everything old is new again.
Sack the bum!
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we have improved out of site
seriuously idiots like jerkstar have no idea
we have not been thumped once yet and been there abouts in every game
we have never been so competitive and really bad luck has followed us all the way this yr
its a learning curve for everyone and imo next yr we will make it right
Wouldn't say we have "improved out of site", we only just beat GWS, lost to Gold Coast, our skill level has dropped off and we haven't had the mental strength to win the tight ones. We may of improved in some areas marginally, but overall we have not "improved out of site" IMO.
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we have improved out of site
seriuously idiots like jerkstar have no idea
we have not been thumped once yet and been there abouts in every game
we have never been so competitive and really bad luck has followed us all the way this yr
its a learning curve for everyone and imo next yr we will make it right
Agree with most of this post.
Im just glad im not as knowledgable as some people on here and dont have inside information. Yes we may have a few duds still and yes honourable losses are gut wrenching, but its better than getting flogged week in week out. At the start of the season many here were trying to find a handful of possible wins from our fixture. A few weeks back we were looking for a way in to the top 9. Who seriously thought we'd make finals this year?????
I for one have had the most positive feeling about this season than I have had for a long long time, without being unrealistic about our finals chances. Hardwick has taken us further and brought out the best in a lot of our players, yes, some still have improve or move on...Hardwick is not one of them IMHO. :gotigers
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How can anyone say we have improved after what we have seen in the past 4 weeks of football
We can't beat Gold Coast
Even Hardwick admitted at press conference on sat night that we aren't any good
Real issue now is that Hardwick might not be able to turn it around in 2013
We aren't tough enough as a team
Take the Saints for example..ordinary list but for some reason as a team they are hard at it
With us..out top 6 players are guns then we fall away
Intersting Hardwick also said not enough putting there head over the ball
Would suggest that Grigg Ellis and Houli he would be talking about
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Even Hardwick admitted at press conference on sat night that we aren't any good
:rollin :rollin
I'll bite
he didn't say "we aren't any good"
He said we "aren't good enough" now to play finals
Actually to be precise he said :
"Obviously we're not good enough at this stage"
Whether you want to admit it or not they are 2 very different statements and mean 2 very different things
But don't let that worry you, you just continue to twist things to suit your purpose :thumbsup
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Would take Malthouse now but lets be serious he ain't going anywhere so let's see what he has got in a year and MM is finished post this year
Chances are if we see Dimmas favourites of Jackson, Miller and Edwards again in 2013 yet again there will be no finals in 2013.
Re: improvement success marks improvement nothing else. In any business at the end of the day it's about results
If you think losing to GC and Northern B marks improvement then your kidding yourself
According to some we are certainties for finals in 2013, let's see about that
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How can anyone say we have improved after what we have seen in the past 4 weeks of football
2011 rdn 15 v carlton result loss 107 points.
rnd 18 v geelong result loss 67 points, our 4th loss by 10 goals or more.
2012 rnd 18 ve carlton rsult loss 4 points. no losses by 10 goals. only loss of more than 4 goals is 7 goal loss rnd 1
in what queer, simpleton world is that not an improvement?
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How can anyone say we have improved after what we have seen in the past 4 weeks of football
2011 rdn 15 v carlton result loss 107 points.
rnd 18 v geelong result loss 67 points, our 4th loss by 10 goals or more.
2012 rnd 18 ve carlton rsult loss 4 points. no losses by 10 goals. only loss of more than 4 goals is 7 goal loss rnd 1
in what queer, simpleton world is that not an improvement?
The result has improved( against NB) but answer this question
Did we win against (NB)
In my business if I don't improve bottom $$ I'm stuffed. In most businesses close enough is not good enough
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where did i or anyone else say it was good enough? :huh
it is improvement, bottom line.
still more improvement needed. bottom line.
as far as i know, no one has said it is good enough, they are your words, not anybody elses.
it comes back to the simple black and white. to some people there is no grey. you will ignore all the things that point to a gradual improvement, and because we cant go from crawling to running world record 100m times, it is seen as no improvement.
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At the end of the day you have your opinion I have mine
I don't care for nearly making finals or beating swans at the G, for the 3rd year in a row. I want to see them nail Blues or be able to beat sides like Carlton & Geelong who have owned us for 30 yrs. Thats improvement
Ive waited long enough for finals what's another year
I just don't think finals are a monty as some of you lot think
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Next year is the one Hardwick will be heavily critiqued on.
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How can anyone say we have improved after what we have seen in the past 4 weeks of football
2011 rdn 15 v carlton result loss 107 points.
rnd 18 v geelong result loss 67 points, our 4th loss by 10 goals or more.
2012 rnd 18 ve carlton rsult loss 4 points. no losses by 10 goals. only loss of more than 4 goals is 7 goal loss rnd 1
in what queer, simpleton world is that not an improvement?
In Simpleton words
A loss is a loss
It's about winning not margins
Your views tick all the boxes for a long term career at Punt rd
No wonder we ain't any good
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Give up arguing with idiots
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Hey Crackstar your on the wrong thread...
This is not the I hate RFC and sack hardwick thread for disgruntled vomits- I suggest you find your mate roy from coburg and both retreat to your niclear fallout shelter.
Cya then, by now :shh
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Said the same after 3 years of Wallet and get abused on here
Will say the same again after 3 years of Hardwick
Maybe I could be right
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Or maybe just a sook.
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Well are you happy on what's happened over the past 5-6 weeks ?
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Nope but I don't pop in every monday after a loss just to slag off the club and have a whinge :'( :'( :'(
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I'm not happy at all jack, but coming on here and cutting sick is not going to change anything nor will it make me feel better.
You could be right!? But only time will tell.
It must hurt the good players in our team to play like champs yet have dead weights on their legs every week.we know who they are, they know and the club knows its only a matter of time until they are replaced.
If the club had replaced all 35 spuds on the list in one season we would be 3x more depolarable than gws or even "that" fitzroy team.
One last point, the only difference between you and the carlton supporters ringing SEN and abusing kevin bartlett this morning is the colour of your jumper. Don't forget you are yellow and black :shh
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yep, just checked your right, am yellow and black :thumbsup
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At the end of the day you have your opinion I have mine
I don't care for nearly making finals or beating swans at the G, for the 3rd year in a row. I want to see them nail Blues or be able to beat sides like Carlton & Geelong who have owned us for 30 yrs. Thats improvement
Ive waited long enough for finals what's another year
I just don't think finals are a monty as some of you lot think
sometimes there is black white and grey.
like you i dont think we will play finals next yr still to much work to be done.
unlike you i can see the improvement and know it takes yrs to get in a position to challenge.
you constantly fail to acknowledge that playing finals is a gradual process you dont magically flick a switch and expect it to happen which is what you are saying weather you realise it or not.
it took collingwood after playing in a gf in 2003 7 yrs to win one under malthouse.if you go back to when malthouse first went there you could say it took mick 11 yrs to win a premiership.
also to make a gf in 02 03 mick did it with a list that had a large chunk of it built in the yrs prior to him going to collingwood.
collingwod didnt just magically make gfs under malthouse he was part of a progression where the previous coaches built a big part of those sides. it took yrs.
it may be that the rfc in a couple of yrs bring in a coach to take us into finals but at the moment there has been good improvement right across the board at the club.
mathews didnt magically transform brisbane in two yrs.you could count on one hand the number of players he bought to the 2001 side. brisbanes climb to power started in about 94 they had about 10 of their premiership players back then and gradually built on it. getting a chunk of fitzroys players helped as well when they folded.
sometimes daniel you need to acknowledge the good and the bad and be realistic about what is achievable with what you have at hand.
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How can anyone say we have improved after what we have seen in the past 4 weeks of football
2011 rdn 15 v carlton result loss 107 points.
rnd 18 v geelong result loss 67 points, our 4th loss by 10 goals or more.
2012 rnd 18 ve carlton rsult loss 4 points. no losses by 10 goals. only loss of more than 4 goals is 7 goal loss rnd 1
in what queer, simpleton world is that not an improvement?
In Simpleton words
A loss is a loss
It's about winning not margins
Your views tick all the boxes for a long term career at Punt rd
No wonder we ain't any good
coming from someone who was at richmond during the dark wallace days, and was cleaned out with the rest of the trash, thats rather funny.
the word improvement means getting better.
not getting beaten by 10 goals is better than regularly getting beaten by 10 goals.
the thing you wont, or are incapable of understanding is exactly what claw has pointed out. it is a gradual process. maybe in the deluded world of jackstar you go from being a basket case to champions in the blink of an eye, or twich of a nose but not in reality
only someone as demented as you could not see that going from a team that regularly gets beaten easily to a team that is generally competitive is not improving.
Only jackstar could think that a 100 point flogging is the same as a 2 point loss.
Were you one of the ones bitching we didn't beat melbourne and GWS by enough?
why are margins not important when you lose, but are when you win?
surely if a loss is a loss, then a win is a win?
or is this just more crapstar contradictions.
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Hey Crackstar your on the wrong thread...
This is not the I hate RFC and sack hardwick thread for disgruntled vomits- I suggest you find your mate roy from coburg and both retreat to your niclear fallout shelter.
Cya then, by now :shh
Roy's come to work with Coach. We're on our lunch break. Both munching on Tabouli sent from mrs Houli
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2005=10 wins
2006 11 wins
2007 3 wins
2008 11 wins
2009 5 wins
2010 6 wins
2011 =8.5 wins
2012 = 7 at the moment.
You tell me how we are going ??
Defensively we dont bleed down back as bad as we used to.
but improvement is about winning games
I will take horse racing as a good example, no difference being beaten by 4 lengths compared to 10 lengths , why, you still got beaten.
Sorry, I am all about winning, thats my culture, not about losing
If you want to believe the spin that Hardwick goes on about winning this KPI Blah Blah blah thats good for you
What I have seen for the past months are players such as Grigg, Houli, Ellis not put there head over the ball etc etc
Yep and Dimma stated this in his press conference on Sat Night
And lets dont forget Jack Riewoldt. , cant be bothered even going there, its all about Riewoldt. :banghead
What I feel sorry for are the 6-7 players who have CARRIED this club all season.
You have your opinion , I have mine.
What happens if we dont play finals in 2013 ???
Keep in mind that we were $1.22 to play finals 6 weeks ago before Freo, we have fallen in the biggest hole of all times
Who is too blame, ? According to Hardwick the players and himself. , mmmmmm
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By the way.we have won 2 second quarters this year .lost 15
Bet you that doesn't get a mention
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2005=10 wins
2006 11 wins
2007 3 wins
2008 11 wins
2009 5 wins
2010 6 wins
2011 =8.5 wins
2012 = 7 at the moment.
You tell me how we are going ??
Defensively we dont bleed down back as bad as we used to.
but improvement is about winning games
I will take horse racing as a good example, no difference being beaten by 4 lengths compared to 10 lengths , why, you still got beaten.
Sorry, I am all about winning, thats my culture, not about losing
If you want to believe the spin that Hardwick goes on about winning this KPI Blah Blah blah thats good for you
What I have seen for the past months are players such as Grigg, Houli, Ellis not put there head over the ball etc etc
Yep and Dimma stated this in his press conference on Sat Night
And lets dont forget Jack Riewoldt. , cant be bothered even going there, its all about Riewoldt. :banghead
What I feel sorry for are the 6-7 players who have CARRIED this club all season.
You have your opinion , I have mine.
What happens if we dont play finals in 2013 ???
Keep in mind that we were $1.22 to play finals 6 weeks ago before Freo, we have fallen in the biggest hole of all times
Who is too blame, ? According to Hardwick the players and himself. , mmmmmm
geelong
02 - 9th
03 - 12th
04 - 4th
05 - 5th
06 - 10th
you tell me how they were travelling
07 premiership. for a bloke who supposedly worked at a club you are very ill informed. no wonder you dont work there anymore.the lack of common sense is minboggling.
improved ladder position is about winning more games.
but improvement itself can have nothing to do with win/loss ratio im gobsmacked that you cant grasp such a simple concept.
ive said this before and will go down the path again.lets take the carlton game
lets say we win it. would that game have reflected improvement because we won. of course not it was a bloody awful game in so many areas skills, system, quality, intensity you name it it was poor for both teams and there was little to suggest improvement.
yet we played some bloody good footy against coll wce ess and got beat but there was sure signs of continued improvement if you think its all about the win/loss ratio you are kidding yourself in a big way.
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2005=10 wins
2006 11 wins
2007 3 wins
2008 11 wins
2009 5 wins
2010 6 wins
2011 =8.5 wins
2012 = 7 at the moment.
You tell me how we are going ??
Defensively we dont bleed down back as bad as we used to.
but improvement is about winning games
I will take horse racing as a good example, no difference being beaten by 4 lengths compared to 10 lengths , why, you still got beaten.
Sorry, I am all about winning, thats my culture, not about losing
If you want to believe the spin that Hardwick goes on about winning this KPI Blah Blah blah thats good for you
What I have seen for the past months are players such as Grigg, Houli, Ellis not put there head over the ball etc etc
Yep and Dimma stated this in his press conference on Sat Night
And lets dont forget Jack Riewoldt. , cant be bothered even going there, its all about Riewoldt. :banghead
What I feel sorry for are the 6-7 players who have CARRIED this club all season.
You have your opinion , I have mine.
What happens if we dont play finals in 2013 ???
Keep in mind that we were $1.22 to play finals 6 weeks ago before Freo, we have fallen in the biggest hole of all times
Who is too blame, ? According to Hardwick the players and himself. , mmmmmm
geelong
02 - 9th
03 - 12th
04 - 4th
05 - 5th
06 - 10th
you tell me how they were travelling
07 premiership. for a bloke who supposedly worked at a club you are very ill informed. no wonder you dont work there anymore.the lack of common sense is minboggling.
improved ladder position is about winning more games.
but improvement itself can have nothing to do with win/loss ratio im gobsmacked that you cant grasp such a simple concept.
ive said this before and will go down the path again.lets take the carlton game
lets say we win it. would that game have reflected improvement because we won. of course not it was a bloody awful game in so many areas skills, system, quality, intensity you name it it was poor for both teams and there was little to suggest improvement.
yet we played some bloody good footy against coll wce ess and got beat but there was sure signs of continued improvement if you think its all about the win/loss ratio you are kidding yourself in a big way.
makes sense to me.
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Claw, did you think West Coast would rise from bottom 4 to top 4? I reckon if you were a WC fan you would have been on a forum telling them it would take another 3 years before they could even think of finals.
poo can (and will) change quickly in footy
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How can anyone say we have improved after what we have seen in the past 4 weeks of football
Like this:
"We have improved".
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Claw, did you think West Coast would rise from bottom 4 to top 4? I reckon if you were a WC fan you would have been on a forum telling them it would take another 3 years before they could even think of finals.
poo can (and will) change quickly in footy
exactly :thumbsup
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I ain't talking about Geelong
I am talking about a club that had under performed for the past 30 years
Why compare with Geelong
You should be employed at Punt Road
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we aint improved.
we were beaten by a side who had many top players off the oval. Had they been playing we would have been pumped back to the future RAPED
Improvements ? where are they.
Players been given games with no prior form or out for long stints.
l seen more players shirk this year at Richmond than in my lifetime of football.
We are still kicking the ball short.
We still make the same skill errors.
l see more players standing watching at critical stages. King, Rewoldt, Grigg, Houli, Edwards, Martin at times while players like Nahas, Cotchin, Tuck give 2nd & 3rd efforts.
l see top players sitting on the bench in the critical stages of the game.
l see players giving away free kicks that surely have been told by the coach to avoid in previous games. Same culprits.
Our full forward who stands at thew back instead of leading flatout.
Our FF who has 2 players at times, why even go to him we must have a spare player somewhere. Oh thats right we are being caught out changing.
l see players giving away free kick when the ball aint even near them for Geez sake we are rabble
& then to make matter seem even worse, they got Campbell being the runner when he should be controlling his coaching duties.
Not to mention all the strife off the field we wont mention.
what worries me more is Cotchin saying we not doing enough hard work on the track. Bit late now. that crap should be said pre-season & them words he said spells season disaster.
The captain is near meltdown because the players cant get it right.
All l want to see is Hardwick stick fat on being a tuff coach making players earn thier right to play for the jumper.
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& 1 more thing the most important.
COBURG needs to go drag someone else down cause we need to get rid of them come seasons end. Why you think they trying to raise all that money
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Thanks Monk
Totally agree
I wonder if other posters on here actually go to games ?
The Jake King issue was horrible when he spectated the contest when Gibbs pushed in front of him at a clearance at the back of the square .
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Thanks Monk
Totally agree
I wonder if other posters on here actually go to games ?
The Jake King issue was horrible when he spectated the contest when Gibbs pushed in front of him at a clearance at the back of the square .
l know & everyone knows how much l like Jake King. He is just like anyone who wears the Richmond jumper. If you dont pull ya weight then thep aside & let those who wanna play 4 quarter team football. There are no passengers in team football. Thats why Geelong, Hawthorn & Collingwood play finals & win premierships.
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we aint improved.
we were beaten by a side who had many top players off the oval. Had they been playing we would have been pumped back to the future RAPED
Improvements ? where are they.
Players been given games with no prior form or out for long stints.
l seen more players shirk this year at Richmond than in my lifetime of football.
We are still kicking the ball short.
We still make the same skill errors.
l see more players standing watching at critical stages. King, Rewoldt, Grigg, Houli, Edwards, Martin at times while players like Nahas, Cotchin, Tuck give 2nd & 3rd efforts.
l see top players sitting on the bench in the critical stages of the game.
l see players giving away free kicks that surely have been told by the coach to avoid in previous games. Same culprits.
Our full forward who stands at thew back instead of leading flatout.
Our FF who has 2 players at times, why even go to him we must have a spare player somewhere. Oh thats right we are being caught out changing.
l see players giving away free kick when the ball aint even near them for Geez sake we are rabble
& then to make matter seem even worse, they got Campbell being the runner when he should be controlling his coaching duties.
Not to mention all the strife off the field we wont mention.
what worries me more is Cotchin saying we not doing enough hard work on the track. Bit late now. that crap should be said pre-season & them words he said spells season disaster.
The captain is near meltdown because the players cant get it right.
All l want to see is Hardwick stick fat on being a tuff coach making players earn thier right to play for the jumper.
Fantastic post :thumbsup
your last line says it all
great psot
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2005=10 wins
2006 11 wins
2007 3 wins
2008 11 wins
2009 5 wins
2010 6 wins
2011 =8.5 wins
2012 = 7 at the moment.
You tell me how we are going ??
Defensively we dont bleed down back as bad as we used to.
but improvement is about winning games
I will take horse racing as a good example, no difference being beaten by 4 lengths compared to 10 lengths , why, you still got beaten.
Sorry, I am all about winning, thats my culture, not about losing
If you want to believe the spin that Hardwick goes on about winning this KPI Blah Blah blah thats good for you
What I have seen for the past months are players such as Grigg, Houli, Ellis not put there head over the ball etc etc
Yep and Dimma stated this in his press conference on Sat Night
And lets dont forget Jack Riewoldt. , cant be bothered even going there, its all about Riewoldt. :banghead
What I feel sorry for are the 6-7 players who have CARRIED this club all season.
You have your opinion , I have mine.
What happens if we dont play finals in 2013 ???
Keep in mind that we were $1.22 to play finals 6 weeks ago before Freo, we have fallen in the biggest hole of all times
Who is too blame, ? According to Hardwick the players and himself. , mmmmmm
So if its all about winning, shouldn't you wait till the end of the season and judge if we improved by how many wins we had?
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for a bloke who supposedly worked at a club you are very ill informed. no wonder you dont work there anymore.the lack of common sense is minboggling.
improved ladder position is about winning more games.
but improvement itself can have nothing to do with win/loss ratio im gobsmacked that you cant grasp such a simple concept.
:lol welcome aboard the marie celeste
hey jacky jacky, still waiting for an answer as to why margins are not important when you lose but are when you win?
any chance of a logical explanation?
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mate, dont know what you problem is.
I have never said anything about margins in any of most posts.
Go and search,
I am all about winning, not losing !!!!!
You play footy to win the "'4 " points
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Al, read Tigermonk post.
He is on the money :thumbsup
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In B4 snip
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In B4 snip
Fantastic post :clapping sums up thread. Well said
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Its really exciting for the doom and gloomers - three loses on a row, its just really funny that we all bite time after time instead of ignoring the baiting :cheers.
We prayed to be competitive - we are, let pray for wins now - LOL
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I have never said anything about margins in any of most posts.
It's about winning not margins
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Its really exciting for the doom and gloomers - three loses on a row, its just really funny that we all bite time after time instead of ignoring the baiting :cheers.
We prayed to be competitive - we are, let pray for wins now - LOL
Pray .how appropriate
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Margins count only when your aiming for finals and count on a need a good percentage
Personally and it's only me it wouldn't have mattered if we got beaten by 5 goals the other night
A loss is a loss, nothing glorified about losing
I felt exactly the same when Geelong smashed us by 150 as I did when GC beat us after the siren
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did you feel exactly the same when we belted hawthorn as when we fell over the line against gws
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Agree with claw. There has been clear improvement this year.
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Claw, did you think West Coast would rise from bottom 4 to top 4? I reckon if you were a WC fan you would have been on a forum telling them it would take another 3 years before they could even think of finals.
poo can (and will) change quickly in footy
im one who copped plenty of crap when wce went backwards.injuries killed em in 07 and they bowed out in a semi after finishing 3rd on the ladder.
after cousins and judd went and kerr unable to get on the park i thought they had a decent list that just needed replenishing in the midfield. my biggest criticism of them was the number of players who could not use the ball properly. in fact i was shocked they went back as far as they did and thought worsfold would get the chop. as it was it was a close run thing. he was given to mid season last yr to turn it around or he was cactus.
theres still 16 players on their list who were there when they bowed out of finals in 07. 9 or 10 of them are premiership players. thats a damn good core to have to build on over the last 5 drafts.
their list kpis were decent as well 10 or so 100 gamers enough of 50 - 99 game players with a decent spread of players in the right age groups something like 20 odd players in the 23 plus age bracket.
your right a lot of things can and do change quickly. but there are constants in most things.
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did you feel exactly the same when we belted hawthorn as when we fell over the line against gws
no because when we beat GWS i knew our season was over in terms of making the 8. That became clear after the Fremantle game. We played that GWS game like our season was done and dusted, but most of you blamed the weather or God or a combination of both but some of us knew the writing was on the wall after the Freo game.
Dont get me wrong the Hawthorn win was as good as any of them. Saints more so as we finally buried some demons.
The losses and how we lost far outweigh any positives. Our losses show a mental weekness.
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Mr Magic.i will post a copy of the ladder after the final round
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I ain't talking about Geelong
I am talking about a club that had under performed for the past 30 years
Why compare with Geelong
You should be employed at Punt Road
most of us are wondering just what you are talking about jack. one thing for sure what ever it is there isnt much common sense involved.
the only possible conclusion one can come to is your a very persistent fisherman.
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Mr Magic.i will post a copy of the ladder after the final round
Great Jack. If anything it will prove we have improved.
Percentage sitting at 106% currently..last year 86%.
Currently sitting on 7 wins and I'd expect at least couple more from the remaining rounds...last year we had 8 wins.
However even though it will look healthier, it's pretty obvious to anyone paying genuine attention that we've improved the list since last year without looking too hard.
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Improved the list ..you must be joking
This year has proved that out top 6 players are probably the best in the comp and the rest of the list is ordinary
Our best players have carried the team
This year has shown that many players aren't up to it
It's amazing how many people think that Grigg is a good player
Biggest squib going around
If we had improved .we would of beaten Gold Coast
End of story
You can argue to the calls come home
I have never seen one player carry a football club as Cotchin has this year
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Improved yet still got beaten by a bunch of kids and nearly by GWS
When we play finals il admit we have improved
Off field we have improved with memberships, FTF etc etc, but that's it.
Until finals are achieved getting embarrassed once again does not mark improvement IMO
WGAF about % if you don't win
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Daniel what's amazing that people think because our percentage is over 100 we have improved
Maybe they should learn to read and have a look at the blow outs on the percentages of other teams :banghead
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maybe you should get a better grasp of the English language and learn what the word improved means.
There are different levels of improvement, but that seems too complicated
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Hardwick won't be and should not be sacked. Cop out reaction.
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maybe you should get a better grasp of the English language and learn what the word improved means.
There are different levels of improvement, but that seems too complicated
People view improvement differently also Al
I see beating GC and finally beating teams we haven't in years as improvement
As I said off field we have improved no doubting that but on field I just don't see it
We are still fragile as ever before and still can't finish teams off as others do
Our list hasn't improved and spuds still getting rewarded games
Certain players have improved e.g the usuals and Grimes. Saw good signs with Griff too
I would rather lose with Elton and Brett O than with Miller, Jackson and co
Jack R still still thinking he is King and Houli and co worried about what's for dinner at Dimmas than putting head over ball does not mark improvement IMO
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Can't beat Gold Coast..still can't win winnable games
Couldn't beat Carltons B Team
Give me a break Al
You should look up the meaning of the word WIN
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according to your theory, if the only games we lost all year were to gold coast and north, then we still would not have improved. :lol
as i said the simple concept of levels of improvement is beyond your comprehension. because we have not improved to an acceptable standard, you think that means we have not improved at all.
and lets ignore that when when we played carltons b team, we also had our b team. yeah, nah thats doesnt matter.
contradiction after contradiction.
margins dont matter when we lose, but do when we win.
the opposition have a few outs, so we should win, regardless of how many of we have.
a side plays their "b" side and they should lose
we have 11 changes in two weeks but that doesnt matter, we should win.
normally i have trouble tolerating fools, but you provide so much entertainment. It's such a boring place when you throw a tantie and close your accounts.
I do feel sorry for anyone that has to put up with such a miserable bitter and twisted person for any length of time though.
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If we had improved .we would of beaten Gold Coast
End of story
You are such a fool. Had a look at the ladder Jack?
Who's sitting one and two?
That's right Hawthorn and Sydney. Two teams we have beaten this season. :P
You can't on one hand point to GC and then ignore that fact just so you can grandstand like some pompous oracle.
If you don't want to support this club then pee off. They don't need behindhole people like you anywhere near it. >:(
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We beat the Aints for the first time in 10 years, pummeled Hawthorn.
The 'improvement' for mine is that we haven't been belted by over 10 goals this season, which shows genuine competitiveness and yes, while the fade outs are there at the worst of times, I no longer go to a game and expect us to get belted by 10 goals + as I have in the past.
The problem we have at the moment is our depth and our bottom 6-7 players. When we lost players like Foley and Grimes and to an extent TV who wasn't right all year, we have nothing but crap to call up from Coburg and we are left exposed.
Players like McGuane, Moore, White, Webberley, Graham and A. Maric should never get an AFL game, but we have been forced to play them through lack of depth and injury.
Fix this issue and we will be playing finals, need to move on some more of the crap and bring in some quality depth players that will cost us peanuts. Thats what St Kilda and Sydney have been doing for years, and why they can be competitive while they continue to draft their next generation of 'cream' from year to year. I'm looking forward to this draft and trade period, not for the young talent, but for the depth we need to bring in.
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maybe you should get a better grasp of the English language
You can argue to the calls come home
I think you're on to something Al. :huh
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:lol
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Hardwick i am sure is a great bloke, but can't tactically coach!
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Like you'd know. :lol
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Hardwick i am sure is a great bloke, but can't tactically coach!
You're not sure what sort of the bloke he is but you're certain he can't coach.
That's funny stuff pal. :lol :rollin :lol
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Like you'd know. :lol
I do :)
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Can't beat Gold Coast..still can't win winnable games
Couldn't beat Carltons B Team
100% correct.
But you missed one.....
Persisted with playing Miller.
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Personally I think Hardwick should still be in developmental mode. 3 Years and he's come a long way with some good wins and consistency in performance.
It would be hard not to get caught up in the success of the early session especially when the club has lacked success for so long. How many people remember at the start of the year they said we had a hard draw and would not be surprised if we had no wins after 7 rounds.
Well we got 7 wins and a little ahead of ourselves - and a high price for those wins. Namely injuries, which tested the depth which was found lacking.
Hardwick just needs to stay focused on the task of rebuilding the list and structure the team for long term success. He needs to admit where he has made mistakes and make sure that he does not make the same errors twice.
We maybe in the same position next year - but you would hope that they will be fitter, stronger and have more endurance having been through another pre-season. And hopefully we would have jettisoned the non-performers and restocked with fresh new hard at it skillful players like Cotchin & Martin
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Hardwick i am sure is a great bloke, but can't tactically coach!
You seem to avoid answering questions when they are directed at you torch, or at least you seem to avoid certain ones
So I will ask you again
Regarding your statement that Dimma can't coach
Re: the games against Sydney, Hawthorn and St Kilda after those games did you think he couldn't coach or is it only after losses that you've decided he can't coach
Don't be afraid to be honest about it
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It's amazing how many people think that Grigg is a good player
According to our supporters these blokes are super players brought to our club by Blair Hartley who is doing a terrific job. To be honest, outside of Ivan Maric who did a great job this year the first two dont have much to offer us. If Chaplin comes to Richmond and performs with us like he has with Port this year then Hartley will be 1 from 4. :help
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The non existent second efforts of Grigg and Tabouli were some of the worst I've ever seen
Grigg particularly. Yet people take pot shots at Elton and Brett O in just their first or second game
I think he should be dropped for being lazy
Sadly I don't think we will ever see him do what Dusty did in the last
That goes for about half a dozen of these so called footballers
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Hope we win this weekend for no other reason that a reprieve from the whinging :'(
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Hope we win this weekend for no other reason that a reprieve from the whinging :'(
no we will have some lauding the team.
thats how we roll from one week to the next.
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sack him then,idgaf :-)
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Improved yet still got beaten by a bunch of kids and nearly by GWS
When we play finals il admit we have improved
Off field we have improved with memberships, FTF etc etc, but that's it.
Until finals are achieved getting embarrassed once again does not mark improvement IMO
WGAF about % if you don't win
lol lets balance that last comment out. its widely accepted by nearly every one that percenatge is a better indicator of performance and consistency of performance than the win loss column. but hey that doesnt suit your argument so we will just toss that out the window. theres good reasons for this i will let you work those reasons out for yourself.
hmm a bit more balance. so gc played a bunch of kids and here i was thinking a bunch of kids played against a bunch of kids. lets not mention that it stuffs up the stance you take.
take newman and tuck out and id say the ages of the rest would all be similar. how many 100 gamers did we have and how many did they.
what was the difference in development players? 22 and under. wouldnt be much in it.
how about i use the spurious argument of , as far as overall draft picks go and lets face it most punters wrongly use where players are taken to determine quality. gc would romp all over us and thus should kick our butts. that sort of argument would just make me look silly just like the arguments you and jack put up.if you want a bit of credability you need to look at both the good and the bad.
me i acknowledge that the list is poor and we dont have enough quality or experience or players in the right age groups with enough games behind them. as such i have no silly lofty expectations of finals. most weeks i expect us to lose because unlike a lot of people i acknowledge we will struggle until the above is actually fixed. you dont fix those things over night they are an on going thing but slowly but surely those areas are getting better.
one thing for sure we still need to find and develop enough players who are good enough for us to play and sustain finals as well as the above.
what i dont get is you and jack bemoan the quality of the list but expect to win that is just stupidity. you lambast hardwick for losing games but acknowledge he doesnt have the cattle you sound incredibly naieve the both of you.
the way i look at it if we dont have the players we have done well to win 7 games to date and actually be in a position to win many others. geez i would have thought common sense would have you applauding what hes managed to do with such an ordinary group. bloody hell jack thinks we have just 6 players yet incredibly moans about losing.
you blokes cant have it both ways we either have the players and thus should make finals or we dont. me i dont think we have enough players good enough or developed enough atm. as such im looking for improvement in key areas and the continued development of the kids.
next yr finals should be the aim but i dont know if they should be an expectation because of all the list problems that we still have. atm with the current list i think the likely scenario exactly the same sort of season as this yr
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Hope we win this weekend for no other reason that a reprieve from the whinging :'(
:lol
The whinging will just be redirected at wasting good draft picks with meaningless wins.
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Hope we win this weekend for no other reason that a reprieve from the whinging :'(
:lol
The whinging will just be redirected at wasting good draft picks with meaningless wins.
Hate to cook these blokes a BBQ :gobdrop
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Hope we win this weekend for no other reason that a reprieve from the whinging :'(
:lol
The whinging will just be redirected at wasting good draft picks with meaningless wins.
:lol yeah I can just imagine it :banghead
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Hope we win this weekend for no other reason that a reprieve from the whinging :'(
:lol
The whinging will just be redirected at wasting good draft picks with meaningless wins.
Hate to cook these blokes a BBQ :gobdrop
Just have plenty of booze available and they will be fine.
:cheers
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:rollin :thumbsup
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Can not believe thios argument is still going on, you cant argue with brick walls and clearly some people posting on here are bricks, my way or the highway, i know what im talking about, hardwick cant coach and I know because i've been a football supporter all my life, I've got all the answers because I've watched from afar, we should be doing...blah blah blah blah. Clearly if the answers were so obvious to your armchair supporter then they would given them a run. IDreallyGAF, but sheesh get a job on the coaching panel or at the club, put your expertise to good use, personally I hope Hardwick pushes us to new levels but if he doesnt then I think what he has done so far IMHO is an improvement on what we have been like in previous years, and I'm not on my own there, over 50,000 people agree :gotigers