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Title: If You Were Francis Jackson On Thursday?
Post by: torch on November 18, 2012, 12:16:45 PM
OK Richmond enthusists, like me, love the draft, the unknown and the excitement!

BUT ... If you were Francis Jackson, who would you select with our 4 draft picks on Thursday?

Yes it's difficult because some players may be taken before but have a go and we shall see come Thursday 9pm who was close  :)

Pick, Player, Position, Why him?

Pick 9:

Pick 32:

Pick 34:

Pick 43:
Title: Re: If You Were Francis Jackson On Thursday?
Post by: torch on November 18, 2012, 12:52:48 PM
Pick 9: Jake Stringer (Tall Midfielder)

Stringer is a "bull" and has a huge frame with great class to add with Cotchin, Martin, Deledio, Conca and Ellis.

Pick 32: Aidan Corr (Tall Defender)

Corr is a no-nonsense defender similar to Dale Morris. A perfect future Centre Half Back. Could possible play in 2013 as a third or fourth tall later in the season. Creates pressure for Griffiths, Astbury, Elton to settle in a position.

Pick 34: Tim Sumner (Half Forward)

Sumner, a genuine half forward which we realistically need. After McDonald's failure, this player has a great attitude that Hardwick wants. Great mark too.

Pick 43: Jacob Ballard (Midfielder)

Ballard is competitive and a very good user of the football. Hard worker too which we need more of and inside midfielders.
Title: Re: If You Were Francis Jackson On Thursday?
Post by: pmac21 on November 18, 2012, 01:12:39 PM
Love this stuff, best time of the year when your not in the finals which for us is all the time:
Pick 9: Keep changing my mind here but I reckon we will take Taylor Garner.  Only if one of O'Rourke or Toumpas arent there

Pick 32: Ben Kennedy - He's my big slider and we wont hesitate here

Pick 34: Nick Graham - We may think about Ben Jacobs here also.  Just the type of solid player we like

Pick 43: Tim Membrey (reckon he may slide due to being a tweener)
Title: Re: If You Were Francis Jackson On Thursday?
Post by: MADTIGER2010 on November 18, 2012, 02:12:03 PM
Pick 9:scooby doo

Pick 32:bugs bunny

Pick 34:fred flintstone

Pick 43:road runner

I'll wait and see who they pick  8)
Title: Re: If You Were Francis Jackson On Thursday?
Post by: Phil Mrakov on November 18, 2012, 02:41:25 PM
Pick 9:scooby doo

Pick 32:bugs bunny

Pick 34:fred flintstone

Pick 43:road runner

I'll wait and see who they pick  8)

Pick 43: Jayden Post (Altona)
Title: Re: If You Were Francis Jackson On Thursday?
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on November 18, 2012, 02:46:10 PM
Pick 9:scooby doo

Pick 32:bugs bunny

Pick 34:fred flintstone

Pick 43:road runner

I'll wait and see who they pick  8)
Very informative! NOT!

If I were Jackson:

Pick 9: Grundy - Stringer - Mayes - Kennedy - Garlett - Simpson  whoever is available at this choice in this order...
Pick 32: Rory Atkin
Pick 34: Tim Sumner
Pick 43: Dean Towers.
Title: Re: If You Were Francis Jackson On Thursday?
Post by: MADTIGER2010 on November 18, 2012, 02:56:14 PM
Pick 9:scooby doo

Pick 32:bugs bunny

Pick 34:fred flintstone

Pick 43:road runner

I'll wait and see who they pick  8)
Very informative! NOT!

If I were Jackson:

Pick 9: Grundy - Stringer - Mayes - Kennedy - Garlett - Simpson  whoever is available at this choice in this order...
Pick 32: Rory Atkin
Pick 34: Tim Sumner
Pick 43: Dean Towers.

We pretty much know nothing about these players apart from a quick youtube clip
Title: Re: If You Were Francis Jackson On Thursday?
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on November 18, 2012, 04:08:36 PM
Pick 9:scooby doo

Pick 32:bugs bunny

Pick 34:fred flintstone

Pick 43:road runner

I'll wait and see who they pick  8)
Very informative! NOT!

If I were Jackson:

Pick 9: Grundy - Stringer - Mayes - Kennedy - Garlett - Simpson  whoever is available at this choice in this order...
Pick 32: Rory Atkin
Pick 34: Tim Sumner
Pick 43: Dean Towers.

We pretty much know nothing about these players apart from a quick youtube clip

Not true.  Some of us know, club recruiters, TAC personnel, friends who have boys at these guys schools etc etc etc.  It's bait presumptuous of you to think that youtube is our only source of info!
Title: Re: If You Were Francis Jackson On Thursday?
Post by: the claw on November 18, 2012, 04:11:13 PM
got to be another way to do it. who gets taken before your pick determines who you take especially when it comes to list needs.
an example would be if the 5 clubs with picks in front of us were crazy enough to overlook grundy you would have to take him. that would mean id probably over look jack hannath at 43 later in the draft. i am seriously lamenting we dont have another pick around 50.

for what its worth   if we take grundy early id be looking at pure mids with the next 3.
9/  Grundy not likely.
32/ jesse lonergan explosive inside big bodied mid  wont get to here but would be over the moon if he did. probably late 1st early 2nd rnd. i think nathan foley with his breakaway pace but much much bigger and more powerful. if we had pick 12/ 15 id be real tempted to take him there. as it is im hoping he slips to 32.
34/ sam lowrie good chance to get him here another real good sized  mid who is both  inside out. of all the mids going around i reckon hes most underrated.
43/ dean towers mature mid. there was a few here dean kent, jackson thurlow, marvin warrell, rory atkins at a stretch nick graham may get to here. in the end went with towers as the best chance to be here and we need a mid with pace and ability to run the lines.

50/55 if we had a pick here id be looking at a tall. mcintosh howson rodda possibly even jack hannath. possibly sully. a pick here we could really address some needs and round our draft out nicely.
Title: Re: If You Were Francis Jackson On Thursday?
Post by: Ruanaidh on November 18, 2012, 04:38:04 PM
I've jumped off Macrae after considering the structural flexibility this bloke would give us and the fact that should he fully recover from his injury (and he should) we have effectively received a top 3 pick for 9.

Pick 9: Stringer
Pick 32: A midfield slider (Garlett or Kennedy etc) or Atkins
pick 34: McBean
Pick 43: Towers or Thurlow
Title: Re: If You Were Francis Jackson On Thursday?
Post by: Dubstep Dookie on November 18, 2012, 06:45:17 PM
Pick 9:scooby doo

Pick 32:bugs bunny

Pick 34:fred flintstone

Pick 43:road runner

I'll wait and see who they pick  8)

Pretty sure Maxwell is still on the Collingwood list
Title: Re: If You Were Francis Jackson On Thursday?
Post by: yellowandback on November 18, 2012, 08:14:55 PM
I expect Francis to select

9 - Nick Vlastuin
32- Cameron Banfield
34- Liam Byrne
43- Tim McGenniss

* Not what I would select but all have things that we probably look for in players at the national draft. Jackson also likes to select players who havent had lots of media coverage or arent expected to go as high as we usually take them.

What I want is

9 - Brodie Grundy
32- Ben Kennedy
34- Tim McGenniss
43- Liam Byrne

Like Grundy & Kennedy  :thumbsup
Title: Re: If You Were Francis Jackson On Thursday?
Post by: the claw on November 18, 2012, 10:13:19 PM
will admit i know nothing about liam byrne apart from he looks a good size and hes been injured.

thing is  hes on no ones radar and imo there is risk with him in the fact hes played just 2 yrs of footy.  id be loath to use a second rnd pick on such a player one who obviously has a lot to learn. we do this all the time imo reach for players. surely he would be about the place at 82 or even in the rookie draft. hes certainly less credentialled against his peers than many at 32 and 34.
if they are dead keen on him surely it would have to be our last pick at 43 maybe we can put newman on the vets and take a kid like him very late

in saying this he may be a gem but i do have concerns not with the player himself but with the reaching or process  and seemingly ignoring what other players  have done.
we have got very few 2nd and 3rd round picks right under jackson and imo its because we ignore the better performed safer bets for upside.
havent said it well i know. im not trying to criticise here just saying something that is in the back of my mind with jackson and the way we go about it at times.
Title: Re: If You Were Francis Jackson On Thursday?
Post by: torch on November 19, 2012, 06:51:15 PM
3 days to go ...
Title: Re: If You Were Francis Jackson On Thursday?
Post by: Mr Magic on November 19, 2012, 10:11:43 PM
Pick 9: Grundy (I wish)

Pick 32: Lonnergan

Pick 34: Thurlow

Pick 43: Nelson
Title: Re: If You Were Francis Jackson On Thursday?
Post by: tigs2011 on November 19, 2012, 11:00:23 PM
If I was FJ I'd be going:

Pick #9 - Nick Vlastuin (187cm/86kg - Inside Midfielder - Northern Knights)

Best available. Just an absolute bull of a kid. His most recent game against Gippy Power resulted in 29 possessions 12 tackles and 2 goals. That's Ryan O'Keefe in the GF type stats. Now people will either say a) we don't need a back flanker b) you can get inside mids later. But IMO he's not a back flanker. Sure, you could play him there to start his career but he will be a bonafide mid and a good one. Now I don't disagree you can get inside mids later but you don't usually get big, skillful ones late in the draft.

Pick #32 - Jackson Thurlow (189cm/80kg - Utility - Launceston)

Hoping Lonergan slides but otherwise it's his Launceston teammate. Could develop and play him wherever you want. stuff/Wing. Good skills, looks like he'll develop into a really strong bodied player. Good overhead mark makes him dangerous in attack or effective cutting off opposition attacks.

Pick #34 - Rory Atkins (186cm/81kg - Midfielder/Forward - Calder Cannons)

The one in this group of 4 that I can see winning games for us. Has tricks in the forward line, is quite elusive and hits the scoreboard. Elite skills and capable of winning his own ball but think he'd be better off receiving the ball from Vlastuin so he can use his kicking skills.

Pick #43 - Tim McGenniss (181cm/79kg - Inside Midfielder - Dandenong Stingrays)

Nathan Foley clone. Quickish inside midfielder who is tough and competitive. Really hard worker by all accounts and will get the best out of himself. Bit random but so was Arnot who I also liked the look of last year. (albeit I only saw him in the TAC GF.) Generally picks 40+ fail so to pick up a solid citizen type who'll get the best out of himself would be a good acquisition.
Title: Re: If You Were Francis Jackson On Thursday?
Post by: mightytiges on November 19, 2012, 11:31:21 PM
From the time names were leaked on the RFC website, FJ seems to lock in on one of the kids with our first pick and then have a list of about a dozen or so kids for our later picks. I haven't seen enough of the kids this year to make an informed list so I'll base this on the names we've been linked to by Emma Quayle, Brett Anderson and whispers I've heard around the traps myself:

9. Vlastuin .............. it seems we've made no secret of our interest. Too many different sources agreeing.
32 & 34. Garner, Lonergan, Corr, Wright, Thurlow, Atkins.
43. McGuinness, Newman, Fort

So from those 2nd round names listed, I reckon Garner, Lonergan, Corr and Wright will probably be taken between 9 and 32. That leaves:

9. Vlastuin
32. Thurlow
34. Atkins
43. McGuinness

Edit: which is the same as what you have tigs.
Title: Re: If You Were Francis Jackson On Thursday?
Post by: tigs2011 on November 20, 2012, 12:11:37 AM
That's because I'm a mind reader MT and I mind stuffed the poo out of you before you posted.  :whistle
Title: Re: If You Were Francis Jackson On Thursday?
Post by: mightytiges on November 20, 2012, 02:37:33 AM
That's because I'm a mind reader MT and I mind stuffed the poo out of you before you posted.  :whistle
Or we both use the same sources  ;D,
Title: Re: If You Were Francis Jackson On Thursday?
Post by: tigs2011 on November 20, 2012, 10:31:32 AM
That's because I'm a mind reader MT and I mind stuffed the poo out of you before you posted.  :whistle
Or we both use the same sources  ;D,

 :shh
Title: Re: If You Were Francis Jackson On Thursday?
Post by: Phil Mrakov on November 20, 2012, 11:03:30 AM
Vlastuin is slow and a ranga
Title: Re: If You Were Francis Jackson On Thursday?
Post by: Yeahright on November 20, 2012, 01:48:16 PM

Pick #43 - Tim McGenniss (181cm/79kg - Inside Midfielder - Dandenong Stingrays)

Nathan Foley clone. Quickish inside midfielder who is tough and competitive. Really hard worker by all accounts and will get the best out of himself. Bit random but so was Arnot who I also liked the look of last year. (albeit I only saw him in the TAC GF.) Generally picks 40+ fail so to pick up a solid citizen type who'll get the best out of himself would be a good acquisition.

Knew him and he was a fat little plodder. Definitely a very hard worker
Title: Re: If You Were Francis Jackson On Thursday?
Post by: the claw on November 20, 2012, 11:03:08 PM
From the time names were leaked on the RFC website, FJ seems to lock in on one of the kids with our first pick and then have a list of about a dozen or so kids for our later picks. I haven't seen enough of the kids this year to make an informed list so I'll base this on the names we've been linked to by Emma Quayle, Brett Anderson and whispers I've heard around the traps myself:

9. Vlastuin .............. it seems we've made no secret of our interest. Too many different sources agreeing.
32 & 34. Garner, Lonergan, Corr, Wright, Thurlow, Atkins.
43. McGuinness, Newman, Fort

So from those 2nd round names listed, I reckon Garner, Lonergan, Corr and Wright will probably be taken between 9 and 32. That leaves:

9. Vlastuin
32. Thurlow
34. Atkins
43. McGuinness

Edit: which is the same as what you have tigs.
whispers aside after all the only thing that matters is what jackson thinks id go grundy stringer  depending on which is available. if both are thats makes it hard.
on your picks id be happy with
9 vlastuin been a wrap for him for awhile now. just goes to show how valuable this pick is some real talent available to us here i hope they dont stuff it up.
32 thurlow  would be happy with him here,  but would prefer lowrie here. i still think this kid is being overlooked in a big way by eastern states people.
34 atkins/thurlow again would be happy with these selections at this point.
43 mcgenniss?  well i think if we had vlastuin mid,  one of lowrie/thurlow mid/util   and atkins mid,  with ouir first 3 picks id most definately be going tall with #43 our 4th pick.
Title: Re: If You Were Francis Jackson On Thursday?
Post by: mightytiges on November 20, 2012, 11:09:01 PM
From the time names were leaked on the RFC website, FJ seems to lock in on one of the kids with our first pick and then have a list of about a dozen or so kids for our later picks. I haven't seen enough of the kids this year to make an informed list so I'll base this on the names we've been linked to by Emma Quayle, Brett Anderson and whispers I've heard around the traps myself:

9. Vlastuin .............. it seems we've made no secret of our interest. Too many different sources agreeing.
32 & 34. Garner, Lonergan, Corr, Wright, Thurlow, Atkins.
43. McGuinness, Newman, Fort

So from those 2nd round names listed, I reckon Garner, Lonergan, Corr and Wright will probably be taken between 9 and 32. That leaves:

9. Vlastuin
32. Thurlow
34. Atkins
43. McGuinness

Edit: which is the same as what you have tigs.
whispers aside after all the only thing that matters is what jackson thinks id go grundy stringer  depending on which is available. if both are thats makes it hard.
on your picks id be happy with
9 vlastuin been a wrap for him for awhile now. just goes to show how valuable this pick is some real talent available to us here i hope they dont stuff it up.
32 thurlow  would be happy with him here,  but would prefer lowrie here. i still think this kid is being overlooked in a big way by eastern states people.
34 atkins/thurlow again would be happy with these selections at this point.
43 mcgenniss?  well i think if we had vlastuin mid,  one of lowrie/thurlow mid/util   and atkins mid,  with ouir first 3 picks id most definately be going tall with #43 our 4th pick.
You may get your wish of a tall at 43 Claw. Latest word is we're interested in James Stewart, son of Collingwood's Craig Stewart.
Title: Re: If You Were Francis Jackson On Thursday?
Post by: the claw on November 20, 2012, 11:48:22 PM
From the time names were leaked on the RFC website, FJ seems to lock in on one of the kids with our first pick and then have a list of about a dozen or so kids for our later picks. I haven't seen enough of the kids this year to make an informed list so I'll base this on the names we've been linked to by Emma Quayle, Brett Anderson and whispers I've heard around the traps myself:

9. Vlastuin .............. it seems we've made no secret of our interest. Too many different sources agreeing.
32 & 34. Garner, Lonergan, Corr, Wright, Thurlow, Atkins.
43. McGuinness, Newman, Fort

So from those 2nd round names listed, I reckon Garner, Lonergan, Corr and Wright will probably be taken between 9 and 32. That leaves:

9. Vlastuin
32. Thurlow
34. Atkins
43. McGuinness

Edit: which is the same as what you have tigs.
whispers aside after all the only thing that matters is what jackson thinks id go grundy stringer  depending on which is available. if both are thats makes it hard.
on your picks id be happy with
9 vlastuin been a wrap for him for awhile now. just goes to show how valuable this pick is some real talent available to us here i hope they dont stuff it up.
32 thurlow  would be happy with him here,  but would prefer lowrie here. i still think this kid is being overlooked in a big way by eastern states people.
34 atkins/thurlow again would be happy with these selections at this point.
43 mcgenniss?  well i think if we had vlastuin mid,  one of lowrie/thurlow mid/util   and atkins mid,  with ouir first 3 picks id most definately be going tall with #43 our 4th pick.
You may get your wish of a tall at 43 Claw. Latest word is we're interested in James Stewart, son of Collingwood's Craig Stewart.
mt do you know why collingwood did not take stewart  f/s.  havent see anything on him bar clips. looks to have real good skills for a tall and real agile for his height . will he bulk up ?????
i like the look of some kpds who should be around this pick id be taking one of them and putting griffiths at ff. not to say i would not be happy with stewart i just question the type. all of our tall forwards are 195cm plus.
 id like us to look at a super quick leading  190/193 tall forward whos agile and very good on the ground to compliment the 195cm plus forwards we have.
griffiths  elton both 197cm plus  have the tools to be good kpfs. we also have vickery  200cm but i really want to see vickery developed as a ruckman. the theme is they are all potential ruck forwards ffs jack is 195cm wheres the balance in type.

ya know people keep saying its just an average draft but to me after the top 10 15 or so it looks even all the way to about 45/50 you could really find a gem at 50 in this draft or later.
Title: Re: If You Were Francis Jackson On Thursday?
Post by: tigs2011 on November 20, 2012, 11:55:32 PM
From what I can gather Claw they wanted flexibility for trading so didn't want to lock a pick away. They may still look to draft him.
Title: Re: If You Were Francis Jackson On Thursday?
Post by: Mr Magic on November 20, 2012, 11:56:21 PM
9 vlastuin been a wrap for him for awhile now. just goes to show how valuable this pick is some real talent available to us here i hope they dont stuff it up.

It's definitely not an envious task for Francis this year. There's a lot of talent in the top 15, you wouldn't want to get it wrong.

Claw, if Vlastuin, Grundy & Stringer are all available at our pick 9 which one do you take?
Title: Re: If You Were Francis Jackson On Thursday?
Post by: Loui Tufga on November 21, 2012, 12:24:49 AM
9 vlastuin been a wrap for him for awhile now. just goes to show how valuable this pick is some real talent available to us here i hope they dont stuff it up.

It's definitely not an envious task for Francis this year. There's a lot of talent in the top 15, you wouldn't want to get it wrong.

Claw, if Vlastuin, Grundy & Stringer are all available at our pick 9 which one do you take?

I can answer that for him......Grundy, Stringer Vlastuin in that order ;) you clearly don't read enough of Claws posts ;D
Title: Re: If You Were Francis Jackson On Thursday?
Post by: mightytiges on November 21, 2012, 12:25:27 AM
You may get your wish of a tall at 43 Claw. Latest word is we're interested in James Stewart, son of Collingwood's Craig Stewart.
mt do you know why collingwood did not take stewart  f/s.  havent see anything on him bar clips. looks to have real good skills for a tall and real agile for his height . will he bulk up ?????
i like the look of some kpds who should be around this pick id be taking one of them and putting griffiths at ff. not to say i would not be happy with stewart i just question the type. all of our tall forwards are 195cm plus.
 id like us to look at a super quick leading  190/193 tall forward whos agile and very good on the ground to compliment the 195cm plus forwards we have.
griffiths  elton both 197cm plus  have the tools to be good kpfs. we also have vickery  200cm but i really want to see vickery developed as a ruckman. the theme is they are all potential ruck forwards ffs jack is 195cm wheres the balance in type.

ya know people keep saying its just an average draft but to me after the top 10 15 or so it looks even all the way to about 45/50 you could really find a gem at 50 in this draft or later.
I think the reporting of what sort of draft this is has been misleading. Initially it was going to be a "superdraft" and then more recently it's going to be an "average" draft. I think people took "average" as meaning below-par when it really meant this draft is going to be more a fairly standard typical draft. I think your description of it is pretty much spot on. Top 10-15 look very good and you'd be disappointed as an AFL recruiter if you stuff up and don't pick up at least a quality B-grader best-18er; then there seems to be plenty of opportunities to find gems (at least good soldier types) in the late first round through to the end of the 2nd round (mid 40s); the draft then falls away after that.  I gather that's why we're going with 4 kids with picks 9, 32, 34, & 43 and then completing our list with recycled players as free agents and rookies after that.

As for Stewart  - see tigs explanation. They could still draft him with pick 39 (their last pick).
Title: Re: If You Were Francis Jackson On Thursday?
Post by: the claw on November 21, 2012, 12:46:51 AM
9 vlastuin been a wrap for him for awhile now. just goes to show how valuable this pick is some real talent available to us here i hope they dont stuff it up.

It's definitely not an envious task for Francis this year. There's a lot of talent in the top 15, you wouldn't want to get it wrong.

Claw, if Vlastuin, Grundy & Stringer are all available at our pick 9 which one do you take?
thats a doozy.
to me list says grundy, best talent and game winning ability stringer. best performed and consistent vlastuin. theres good reasons for each statement. for me and at the end of the day its just opinion i like stringer above the other two.im more comfortably with what vive seen of him.
Title: Re: If You Were Francis Jackson On Thursday?
Post by: the claw on November 21, 2012, 01:08:02 AM
9 vlastuin been a wrap for him for awhile now. just goes to show how valuable this pick is some real talent available to us here i hope they dont stuff it up.

It's definitely not an envious task for Francis this year. There's a lot of talent in the top 15, you wouldn't want to get it wrong.

Claw, if Vlastuin, Grundy & Stringer are all available at our pick 9 which one do you take?
sorry tas but in my heart my personal perspective  i reckon if i had to choose between grundy and stringer id take stringer. i really do see him becoming a pavlich or goddard type at their best. if in charge of the list i reckon id take grundy. as i said what a doozy of a call to have to make.
my cousin sent me a clip of stringer geez 3 or 4 yrs ago might be 5  ive followed him from a distance ever since. the last 3 yrs getting what i can on him. ive even seen him play half a dozen times travelling from perth.when it comes to this bloke i suppose im a little biased. i always thought he would be a top 5 pick way back then, funny what a broken leg does.
the flip side is i may end up with egg on my face but i dont think so.  i backed ash sampi in absolutely sublime in everything he did as akid but the work ethic and discipline killed him when he got to afl. you just dont know.

I can answer that for him......Grundy, Stringer Vlastuin in that order ;) you clearly don't read enough of Claws posts ;D
Title: Re: If You Were Francis Jackson On Thursday?
Post by: Penelope on November 21, 2012, 08:53:03 AM
...backed ash sampi in absolutely sublime in everything he did as akid but the work ethic and discipline killed him when he got to afl. you just dont know.


Correct, you just dont know, but if you get to know the kids character through interviews and psych analysis, you get a better idea than just watching them play football.

This is the area the club has finally woken up to (only about 20 years too late) and is something that most of the armchair experts cannot grasp. there is more to becoming a long term AFL footballer than raw talent.
Title: Re: If You Were Francis Jackson On Thursday?
Post by: the claw on November 21, 2012, 01:55:10 PM
...backed ash sampi in absolutely sublime in everything he did as akid but the work ethic and discipline killed him when he got to afl. you just dont know.


Correct, you just dont know, but if you get to know the kids character through interviews and psych analysis, you get a better idea than just watching them play football.

This is the area the club has finally woken up to (only about 20 years too late) and is something that most of the armchair experts cannot grasp. there is more to becoming a long term AFL footballer than raw talent.
id say stringer has shown already a great work ethic and plenty of discipline and endevour wouldnt you.
if supposedly hes selfish as a player and a bit arrogant on the field id take it every day of the week its hardly a charcter flaw. his actions speak for themself id say.
i we listened to every rumour about every kid we draft any of them.
can you point me to a bona fide article or comment from anyone in charge who have said there are charcter issues with stringer.
buddy was a party animal who wouldnt train and had his head up his arse how untrue was that. he may have had still have  a chip on his shoulder but you only need go to training to see how hard he worked/ works.
your right we are not privy to psych analysis but but by actions we can sure as hell work out desire to succeedd work ethic likability etc.
your talking about not even looking at a very talented kid because hes a bit arrogant supposedly.  as i said give me the arrogance in my players anyday. give me players who want to take the game on and can be a bit selfish at times.
Title: Re: If You Were Francis Jackson On Thursday?
Post by: Penelope on November 21, 2012, 05:55:43 PM
its not all about stringer you know?
This comment was broad one, not aimed at any one draftee or armchair expert.

gotta love the way you can still find a way to argue with someone agreeing with what you say.

Title: Re: If You Were Francis Jackson On Thursday?
Post by: the claw on November 21, 2012, 08:25:41 PM
its not all about stringer you know?
This comment was broad one, not aimed at any one draftee or armchair expert.

gotta love the way you can still find a way to argue with someone agreeing with what you say.
sheesh id hate to see it when you disagree then.
Title: Re: If You Were Francis Jackson On Thursday?
Post by: Penelope on November 21, 2012, 08:28:53 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: If You Were Francis Jackson On Thursday?
Post by: Penelope on November 21, 2012, 08:59:50 PM
just came across this by accident;

Quote
What’s the #1 thing recruiters look for?

When a player is drafted into the AFL it is widely acknowledged that the club who selects them is taking a risk. Regardless of how well a player can perform at a lower level, there is no certainty that they will be able to replicate that form on the biggest stage.

So what do the clubs look for to help them make their decision? As Hawthorn recruiter Graham Wright says, “ The attribute that Hawthorn is most interested in is character.”

Character goes beyond what a player does away from a football environment. It reflects whether or not a player is coachable, their ability to take on new information and if they can positively interact with their teammates.

The reason that AFL clubs place such a huge emphasis on character is because this can be assessed long before a player is drafted. Clubs naturally want to make a calculated assessment on a player’s character so that they can afford to take one less risk.
 
http://sport.gameday.com.au/index.php?id=660&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=915&cHash=d38a7bac92

I would doubt too many "draft watchers" would have an insight into this important side of things and would go a long way to explaining why some selections end up higher, or lower, than is expected.
Title: Re: If You Were Francis Jackson On Thursday?
Post by: Mr Magic on November 21, 2012, 09:39:20 PM
thats a doozy.
to me list says grundy, best talent and game winning ability stringer. best performed and consistent vlastuin. theres good reasons for each statement. for me and at the end of the day its just opinion i like stringer above the other two.im more comfortably with what vive seen of him.

Cheers. :thumbsup Starting to look like Stringer won't be available but Grundy will..

Interesting times ahead. All will be revealed in less than 24 hours.

Title: Re: If You Were Francis Jackson On Thursday?
Post by: Judge Roughneck on November 22, 2012, 03:36:26 PM
Vlastuin is slow and a ranga

And Dutch
Title: Re: If You Were Francis Jackson On Thursday?
Post by: Phil Mrakov on November 22, 2012, 03:40:37 PM
Vlastuin is slow and a ranga

And Dutch

Nothing wrong with being Dutch.. Same as German
Title: Re: If You Were Francis Jackson On Thursday?
Post by: Dubstep Dookie on November 22, 2012, 03:54:53 PM
No more rangas, we need more wogs.

More wogs at Tigerland I said
Title: Re: If You Were Francis Jackson On Thursday?
Post by: Penelope on November 22, 2012, 04:06:57 PM
Vlastuin is slow and a ranga

And Dutch

Nothing wrong with being Dutch.. Same as German
sort of. Swamp Germans is the correct term I believe
Title: Re: If You Were Francis Jackson On Thursday?
Post by: Phil Mrakov on November 22, 2012, 04:08:15 PM
No more rangas, we need more wogs.

More wogs at Tigerland I said

Isn't Dutch a wog ?
Title: Re: If You Were Francis Jackson On Thursday?
Post by: tigs2011 on November 22, 2012, 05:17:06 PM
No more rangas, we need more wogs.

More wogs at Tigerland I said
What about Conca?
Title: Re: If You Were Francis Jackson On Thursday?
Post by: mightytiges on November 22, 2012, 05:28:51 PM
This draft makes you change your mind every day lol. Emma Quayle has Thurlow going in the first round so that counts him out.

9. Vlastuin
31. Wright (if Hawthorn don't get him at 28)
33. White/Atkins
34. James Stewart (if we miss out on White)
Title: Re: If You Were Francis Jackson On Thursday?
Post by: Rampstar on November 22, 2012, 05:57:21 PM
This draft makes you change your mind every day lol. Emma Quayle has Thurlow going in the first round so that counts him out.

9. Vlastuin
31. Wright (if Hawthorn don't get him at 28)
33. White/Atkins
34. James Stewart (if we miss out on White)

That would be a very poor outcome for the RFC IMHO.
Title: Re: If You Were Francis Jackson On Thursday?
Post by: mightytiges on November 22, 2012, 06:56:27 PM
This draft makes you change your mind every day lol. Emma Quayle has Thurlow going in the first round so that counts him out.

9. Vlastuin
31. Wright (if Hawthorn don't get him at 28)
33. White/Atkins
34. James Stewart (if we miss out on White)

That would be a very poor outcome for the RFC IMHO.
Just going by whispers out there Ramps. Nothing concrete.
Title: Re: If You Were Francis Jackson On Thursday?
Post by: WilliamPowell on November 22, 2012, 06:59:03 PM
Most important thing stuff has to do tonight is get the player numbers right  :rollin
Title: Re: If You Were Francis Jackson On Thursday?
Post by: yellowandback on July 23, 2013, 08:16:18 PM
This draft makes you change your mind every day lol. Emma Quayle has Thurlow going in the first round so that counts him out.

9. Vlastuin
31. Wright (if Hawthorn don't get him at 28)
33. White/Atkins
34. James Stewart (if we miss out on White)

That would be a very poor outcome for the RFC IMHO.

Are we happy with the Floss?
Early days but can't fault his first season
Title: Re: If You Were Francis Jackson On Thursday?
Post by: Gigantor on July 23, 2013, 09:51:47 PM
reckon this kid might end up better than cotch and lids...big call I know
Title: Re: If You Were Francis Jackson On Thursday?
Post by: Andyy on July 24, 2013, 12:17:19 AM
Not better than Cotch, Lids maybe though. He looks like he'll develop a slightly bigger frame.

Need midfielders with a 34"+ waist. Lids too skinny in the hips, can't shrug tackles and push people like Dusty.
Title: Re: If You Were Francis Jackson On Thursday?
Post by: Yeahright on July 24, 2013, 10:49:38 AM
But Lids will burn off most players so quickly he won't need to shrug players
Title: Re: If You Were Francis Jackson On Thursday?
Post by: Andyy on July 25, 2013, 12:14:30 AM
Watch him when he gets tagged mate. Sometimes you need to contest the ball, not just run with it. That's when you need to be strong in the core and Lids just isn't. He's a running player not an insider. Should stay on the HBF or wing IMO. Most dangerous there.
Title: Re: If You Were Francis Jackson On Thursday?
Post by: bojangles17 on July 25, 2013, 08:03:43 AM
Vlas is going along just fine, is fatiguing a bitin first season, will build his tank, put on some muscle as ellis did, and i mean whoa, look out season 2014 . Our midfield will be plain unfair  :shh
Title: Re: If You Were Francis Jackson On Thursday?
Post by: Stripes on July 25, 2013, 10:16:31 AM
I agree in terms of our midfield talent and depth. Makes me wonder which direction they will go with this years draft and during Free Agency period. Who on our list will be traded, delisted (other than Derickx) and even retire? Very hard decision this year imo.

I feel we need another crumbing forward and/or outside ball user. Perhaps another mature age ruck for depth? We need more tall forward options but we have plenty 'developing' so do we need to recruits for this role?

Much more interesting recruitment period for me this year. I would not be surprised if we go for more best player available scenerio rather than by needs basis this year especially since we have far later picks than normal.  :-\
Title: Re: If You Were Francis Jackson On Thursday?
Post by: Yeahright on July 25, 2013, 11:14:12 AM
Watch him when he gets tagged mate. Sometimes you need to contest the ball, not just run with it. That's when you need to be strong in the core and Lids just isn't. He's a running player not an insider. Should stay on the HBF or wing IMO. Most dangerous there.

Agree his most dangerous running but wasn't there an article saying when tagged his contested ball stays around the same, but his uncontested drops considerably?
Title: Re: If You Were Francis Jackson On Thursday?
Post by: dwaino on July 25, 2013, 12:54:01 PM
What's FJ doing today?
Title: Re: If You Were Francis Jackson On Thursday?
Post by: gerkin greg on July 25, 2013, 01:12:59 PM
deleting the Luke Parker tapes off the Richmond server