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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Phil Mrakov on November 23, 2012, 04:05:04 PM
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Tweet:
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Trent Cotchin about to be officially unveiled as new Richmond skipper.
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http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/151657/default.aspx
Richmond has appointed star midfielder, Trent Cotchin, as its new captain.
The dual Jack Dyer Medallist replaces Chris Newman, who stood down as skipper at the end of the 2012 season, after four years in the role.
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Wow! I am shocked :o
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Well done Cotch. Lead us to the promised land!
:cheers :bow :bow :bow :thumbsup
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What number is he?
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Doesn't say
But seriously hate being played as fools
Someting doesn't add up
Not sure that 1+1 has ever equaled 5
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what are you on about billy?
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Not sure that 1+1 has ever equaled 5
We need to get you out of semi retirement Willy :clapping :rollin
In all seriousness, hurry up and get this number thing sorted and communicated to us all.
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what are you on about billy?
Read the website article al, says it was decided by vote TODAY
Please! How? Half the footy dept is in Qld, some players are down on the Peninsula
So how did this all suddenly get done today
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what are you on about billy?
Read the website article al, says it was decided by vote TODAY
Please! How? Half the footy dept is in Qld, some players are down on the Peninsula
So how did this all suddenly get done today
Its called a mobile phone
(http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2008/03/28/martincooper1_wideweb__470x362,0.jpg)
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what are you on about billy?
Read the website article al, says it was decided by vote TODAY
Please! How? Half the footy dept is in Qld, some players are down on the Peninsula
So how did this all suddenly get done today
SMS :lol
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what are you on about billy?
Read the website article al, says it was decided by vote TODAY
Please! How? Half the footy dept is in Qld, some players are down on the Peninsula
So how did this all suddenly get done today
I thought you were an accountant, not a detective :lol :cheers
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On SEN now
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On SEN now
No his not?
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On SEN now
No his not?
SEN had audio from the press conference.
He's wearing the #9 as captain.
Cotch said he has worn the #9 since he's been at Richmond and wore #9 through his junior career. He also mentioned in making the decision he thought of all the kids out there wearing the #9 on their backs.
(http://commercial.aflphotos.com.au/images/thumbs/450/2012/11/24/272968.jpg)
More pics here: http://www.aflphotos.com.au/galleries/results/?q=collection:AFL%202012%20Media%20-%20Richmond%20Leadership%20Announcement&image_id=272967
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Cotch will be on SEN with Schwarz and co. after 6pm.
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Cotch will be on SEN with Schwarz and co. after 6pm.
Let's see what that knob ox has to say
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Cotch announced captain today in front of the playing group and staff ...
(http://yfrog.com/scaled/landing/619/7xqzq.jpg)
http://twitter.yfrog.com/h77xqzqj
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Cotch announced captain today in front of the playing group and staff ...
(http://yfrog.com/scaled/landing/619/7xqzq.jpg)
http://twitter.yfrog.com/h77xqzqj
Was Vlastuin there?
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I thought you were an accountant, not a detective :lol :cheers
Forensic accountant now ;D
Anyway congrats Cotchy, don't agree about the number thing but hey that's just my view. Don't expect anyone to agree with me ;D
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Cotch announced captain today in front of the playing group and staff ...
(http://yfrog.com/scaled/landing/619/7xqzq.jpg)
http://twitter.yfrog.com/h77xqzqj
Was Vlastuin there?
Nope. The newbies meet the playing group on Sunday.
Cotch was 3aw as well just before. Nothing much to report except they were trying to play 'gotcha' with Cotch over the 3-0-75 plan - Russell asked "Will you make it to a flag before Gold Coast?". Cotch remained calm and replied that we've ticked most of the boxes along the way, that the club has brought in talented players and next year is time to step up.
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Cotch announced captain today in front of the playing group and staff ...
(http://yfrog.com/scaled/landing/619/7xqzq.jpg)
http://twitter.yfrog.com/h77xqzqj
Was Vlastuin there?
Nope. The newbies meet the playing group on Sunday.
Cotch was 3aw as well just before. Nothing much to report except they were trying to play 'gotcha' with Cotch over the 3-0-75 plan - Russell asked "Will you make it to a flag before Gold Coast?". Cotch remained calm and replied that we've ticked most of the boxes along the way, that the club has brought in talented players and next year is time to step up.
As if he asked that! Worse than Ox
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Absolutely wrapped with getting rid of captains wearing number 17, was a load of crap to be honest.
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Absolutely wrapped with getting rid of captains wearing number 17, was a load of crap to be honest.
ditto.
Casey and Frawley only brought in that so-called tradition to hide their embarrassment from giving the number to Paul Hudson.
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Congrats Cotchy and co... take us to september :gotigers
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No.9 is fine for captain Cotch
By Nathan Schmook and AAP
Fri 23 Nov, 2012
NEWLY appointed Richmond captain Trent Cotchin will not continue the recent tradition of leading the club in the No.17 jumper, opting to hold onto the No.9 that he has worn since the start of his AFL career.
Cotchin was confirmed as the 40th captain of Richmond on Friday afternoon, with fellow midfield star Brett Deledio appointed vice-captain.
The tradition of Richmond captains wearing No.17 was put in place in 2003 to honour club legend Jack Dyer, with skippers Wayne Campbell, Kane Johnson and Chris Newman all adopting the number.
Cotchin said it was a tough call to part with tradition but he felt that No.9 was part of him.
"Obviously, I hold the club's history and traditions in high regard," Cotchin said on Friday afternoon.
"Jack Dyer is a massive part of our proud history.
"He's got the statue outside the club, the stand is named after him and our best-and-fairest (award) is named after him.
"But when I thought about it ... I've always been really comfortable with the fact I've been No.9 since being here and I was No.9 prior to being here.
"I love seeing little kids with the No.9 on their backs and I think it's a part of me now."
He said he hoped supporters would understand.
"I'm sure there's a lot of supporters out there both for and against the decision, but hopefully they can respect how I feel."
Cotchin will still be a couple of weeks' shy of his 23rd birthday when the Tigers face arch-rivals Carlton in the opening round next year.
The two-time best and fairest winner replaces the 31-year-old Newman, who stepped down as Richmond captain at the end of the 2012 campaign.
Cotchin enjoyed his best season to date in 2012, finishing equal second in the Brownlow Medal count behind winner Jobe Watson, claiming a second successive club best and fairest award and earning All Australian honours for the first time.
Cotchin was picked by Richmond with selection No.2 in the 2007 national draft. He has played 86 games and kicked 55 goals for the Tigers.
http://cms.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/151658/default.aspx
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AUDIO: Cotch's interview on SEN earlier this evening ...
http://www.sen.com.au/audioplayer/Audio/Richmond-captain-Trent-Cotchin/6625
VIDEO: Cotchin talking about the captaincy ....
http://bigpondvideo.com/RichmondTV/505630/Cotchin%20on%20captaincy/
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FWIW I am/was a fan of the #17 'tradition' but I'm not hung up on it and what I like is that Cotch is strong and confident enough in his own persona to make the call. Good times ahead. :clapping
And as an aside, does Lids look even more ripped in that photo? :gotigers
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Cotchin, the new Tigers' captain
The Age
November 24, 2012
Gun midfielder Trent Cotchin plans to make some history of his own as Richmond’s new captain.The Tigers opted for generational change with the 40th captain of the AFL club. Cotchin will still be a couple of weeks’ shy of his 23rd birthday when the Tigers face arch-rivals Carlton in the opening round next year.
The two-time best and fairest winner replaces the 31-year-old Chris Newman, who stepped down as captain at the end of the 2012 campaign after four years in the job. Fellow midfield star Brett Deledio was named Cotchin’s deputy after a vote by the player leadership group and members of the football department was approved by the club’s board.
The Tigers decided in 2003 that each captain would wear No.17 in honour of the club’s greatest player, Jack Dyer, and the three captains since have embraced the tradition. However Cotchin will buck the trend and remain in the No.9 guernsey he has worn in his 86-game career.
The 2007 No.2 draft pick said it was a tough decision but felt that No.9 was part of him.
"Obviously, I hold the club’s history and traditions in high regard," Cotchin told a press conference on Friday afternoon.
"Jack Dyer is a massive part of our proud history.
"He’s got the statue outside the club, the stand is named after him and our best-and-fairest (award) is named after him.
"But when I thought about it ... I’ve always been really comfortable with the fact I’ve been No.9 since being here and I was No.9 prior to being here.
"I love seeing little kids with the No.9 on their backs and I think it’s a part of me now.’’He said he hoped supporters would understand.
"I’m sure there’s a lot of supporters out there both for and against the decision, but hopefully they can respect how I feel.’’
Cotchin had a stellar 2012 season when he finished equal second in the Brownlow Medal polling behind Essendon skipper Jobe Watson, claimed a second successive club best and fairest award and earned All Australian honours for the first time.
He filled in as the team’s skipper for the final five rounds of the 2011 season, when Newman was injured.
NEW RICHMOND CAPTAIN TRENT COTCHIN
Born: April 7, 1990
Recruited from: PEGS/Northern Knights with pick No.2 in 2007 national draft
Playing honours: 2011 and 2012 Richmond best and fairest winner, 2012 All-Australian, Equal second in 2012 Brownlow Medal
Appointed Richmond captain at the age of 22.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/cotchin-the-new-tigers-captain-20121123-29yee.html#ixzz2D3maPxUs
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Trent Cotchin named Richmond captain
Sam Edmund
From: Herald Sun
November 24, 2012
BRETT Deledio says teammate Trent Cotchin will lead Richmond to its next premiership.
Cotchin was on Friday appointed the 40th captain of the famous club.
Deledio, who was named vice-captain, said he was confident the 22-year-old's leadership could end a 32-year flag drought.
"I texted him last night and said: 'Look mate, if you're going to be captain I'll back you the whole way and I believe you'll be the one to lead us to our next flag'. I said that to him and I'll say it here today,'' Deledio said.
"I back Trent to the hilt with what he can do for this club.''
A player vote identified Cotchin as Chris Newman's successor, with the decision quickly ratified by the Richmond board.
But the onballer said he wouldn't follow in the footsteps of recent captains by embracing the No.17 jumper made famous by club legend Jack Dyer.
Cotchin said that, after careful consideration, he was keeping the No.9.
"Obviously I hold the club's history and traditions in high regard. Jack Dyer is a massive part of our proud history ... (but) I've always been really comfortable with the fact I've been No.9 since being here and was No.9 prior to being here. I love seeing little kids with the No.9 on their backs.''
Coach Damien Hardwick said it was Cotchin's determination to keep his number that would make him an excellent leader.
"He wanted to stamp his authority on the club going forward and he's done that and we commend him for it.''
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/trent-cotchin-set-to-be-named-richmond-captain/story-e6frf9jf-1226522929558
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what are you on about billy?
Read the website article al, says it was decided by vote TODAY
Please! How? Half the footy dept is in Qld, some players are down on the Peninsula
So how did this all suddenly get done today
Its called a mobile phone
(http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2008/03/28/martincooper1_wideweb__470x362,0.jpg)
;D
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As I said I dont' agree with Cotch keeping number 9 and not taking number 17 as I have always been a supporter of the concept of the captain wearing number 17 since its introduction
As I said I don't expect people to agree with me and I will admit I have I have changed my mind a couple of times about it over the last few days. Simply thinking about the the idea that we get drummed into us from a very young age when we play sport about the clubs being bigger than any individual and how it fits in this scenario? And funnily enough you can use it to fit both sides of this very argument
Anyway this is my take ;D
It is a massive honour to be named captain of your club. When you accept the honour you have a responsibility to take on everything that goes with it, everything. At the RFC part of that honour means (since 2004) you wear number 17. It was a point of difference at our Club.
I posted the other day that to have a tradition it has to start somewhere for the RFC this "tradition" started in 2004. And I for one backed the club on it because ALL the reasonings behind it were right. With that in mind I think Cotch should be wearing number 17
Other traditions in other sports had to start somewhere but are now viewed as traditions. Just watching the test cricket is the perfect example Australia started the "tradition" of players shirts carrying the number that represents what number test player they are. This is a relatively new concept that now all countires follow (even Sth Africa has it despite the farcical numbering system). Australian players wearing the "Baggy Green" during the first session when they field of every test match is now a tradition, that is only recent as it was started by Mark Taylor BTW not Steve Waugh who seems to get credit for it
Whether people agree with the number 17 concept or not it is what is in place at our Club and my view is it should be at the very least be respected.
Having said that I was impressed with Cotch's reasonings as to why he wants to keep number 9, he articulated them extremely well which is just another reason why this young man deserves to be our captain. I respect his views and his willingness to standby them and make the choice he has. But it doesn't mean I have to agree with him just like I don't expect people to agree with me
Just my take :thumbsup
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I agree with above post. I reckon if you can't accept the conditions that captaincy at RFC brings, then think twice about doing it. I reckon Lids would ditch his number in a flash for the captaincy. Having said that, it takes courage to break from tradition, albiet a new one, and i think this typifies Cotch's approach to footy.
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All I GAF about is what happens on the field and to me Chimp is by far the best leader we have. But fair enough Bill.P
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As I said I dont' agree with Cotch keeping number 9 and not taking number 17 as I have always been a supporter of the concept of the captain wearing number 17 since its introduction
As I said I don't expect people to agree with me and I will admit I have I have changed my mind a couple of times about it over the last few days. Simply thinking about the the idea that we get drummed into us from a very when we play sport about the clubs being bigger than any individual and how it fits in this scenario? And funnily enough you can use it to fit both sides of this very argument
Anyway this is my take ;D
It is a massive honour to be named captain of your club. When you accept the honour you have a responsibility to take on everything that goes with it, everything. At the RFC part of that honour means (since 2004) you wear number 17. It was a point of difference at our Club.
I posted the other day that to have a tradition it has to start somewhere for the RFC this "tradition" started in 2004. And I for one backed the club on it because ALL the reasonings behind it were right. With that in mind I think Cotch should be wearing number 17
Other traditions in other sports had to start somewhere but are now viewed as traditions. Just watching the test cricket is the perfect example Australia started the "tradition" of players shirts carrying the number that represents what number test player they are. This is a relatively new concept that now all countires follow (even Sth Africa has it despite the farcical numbering system). Australian players wearing the "Baggy Green" during the first session when they field of every test match is now a tradition, that is only recent as it was started by Mark Taylor BTW not Steve Waugh who seems to get credit for it
Whether people agree with the number 17 concept or not it is what is in place at our Club and my view is it should be at the very least be respected.
Having said that I was impressed with Cotch's reasonings as to why he wants to keep number 9, he articulated them extremely well which is just another reason why this young man deserves to be our captain. I respect his views and his willingness to standby them and make the choice he has. But it doesn't mean I have to agree with him just like I don't expect people to agree with me
Just my take :thumbsup
Agree on what you've said WP, its hard to disagree or argue against what you've said.
Wearing a certain number in footy has been made out to be a big deal. Whether its the number 1 guernsey, whether its number 12 Richos old number or number 9 Campbells old number; its a big deal, which seems silly but thats the way it is.
The part I don't like about the whole Captain wears 17 thing, is the number jumping seems contradictive to its purpose. The captaincy, for arguments sake lets say went to Matt Dea who has worn 2 numbers at the club, 40 something and now 7, now he's captain (hypothetically) he's now 17. Every number has its history and every player is given a number to respect and adhere to, yet we jump numbers around 2-3 times in players career which depletes the argument of having a certain number for the captain and respecting numbers of past players etc.
I'm all for the purpose of recognising a jumper the captain wears, however I think reshuffling the numbers to suit 1 is contradictive. Put a 'JD' under the sponsor on the captains chest or on the back of the neck line I think would be more appropriate.
I also like the fact Cotchin enjoys seeing kids wearing his number and has a sense of pride and almost guilt for leaving those kids behind and changing numbers. As fans it'd annoy me if I bought a $120 jumper and the number I had was now obsolete.
As for Cotchins decision and the 'knockers' against saying he should adhere to everything the club says, I think we can take positive out of Cotchins loyalty to his own jumper and his own history and how proud of it he is. I think that's been missed somewhat and is far more important than the mickey mouse, pointless, musical chairs of numbers on the back.
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Well done Cotch you deserve it and I am sure you will lead our great club to success.. :clapping
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3-1-1 record as skipper
get chimping chimp
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Cotch to keep the #9 confirmed on the RFC website.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/151680/default.aspx
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As I said I don't expect people to agree with me and I will admit I have I have changed my mind a couple of times about it over the last few days. Simply thinking about the the idea that we get drummed into us from a very when we play sport about the clubs being bigger than any individual and how it fits in this scenario? And funnily enough you can use it to fit both sides of this very argument
That bit about the club being bigger than the individual is the reason I have never liked the idea of giving number 17 to the captain. Everything from the club mascot to the dunny brush at Punt Road is named after Captain Blood and adding the captains number IMO was an attempt to define the whole club by reference to one individual. It consigned the feats of other great club captains like Roger Dean (3), Royce Hart (4) and others to the dustbin with the possum poo from Frawleys desk.
I understand that new traditions can be forged, but clubs are also built on strong leaders who aren't afraid to question traditions. I see this as a great sign of confidence in his own leadership by Cotch. :clapping
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I mentioned in a post a week or so ago that Cotch, despite being just 22 y.o., cares a lot about the kids that follow the Tiges given he's involved in the Cotch's cubs footy clinics. He knows there's heaps of kids out there with the #9 on their jumper. Expecting all of them (moreso their parents) to go out and buy new jumpers with #17 on them just so they can still wear their favourite player's number is unfair especially on those who may not be able to afford a new jumper. The #17 concept worked with Cambo and Newy because they weren't front of the list with the kids. Richo and Knighter and even Daffy were the fan favourites. Likewise Cotch, Jack and Lids when Newy was captain. Cotch is the first captain during this #17 concept that is also a fan favourite. The concept was a nice idea and I supported it at the time but it doesn't work in Cotch's case so the right decision IMHO was made to now dump it.
As far as tradition only one flag out of our 10 was won with the captain wearing #17 and that was Jack himself in 1943. Hopefully Cotch in the #9 makes it as our 11th premiership captain :pray (and 12th, 13th. 14th, etc .... ;D )
1920-21. Dan Minogue (#12 & #1)
1932-34. Perce Bentley (#1)
1943. Jack Dyer (#17)
1967. Fred Swift (#15)
1969. Roger Dean (#3)
1973-74. Royce Hart (#4)
1980. Bruce Monteath (#11)
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The Cotch is a stuff footballer and unfortunately the 17 has been sullied by a previous ordinary skipper who recently wore it.
Go the Cotch and create a legend with the number 9
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No.9 Trent Cotchin (Captain)
No.3 Brett Deledio (Vice-Captain)
Just looks, sounds and seems better!
I would like to hear Campbell, Johnson and Newman's reaction?
I wanted Cotchin to keep his number but does this seem a bit selfish?
Love Cotchin and would give him anything he asks.
He is a born Captain and just the Captain we need in the heat of the moment to stand up when the tough gets going.
After that Gold Coast loss, I thought just give the captaincy to him now.
Cotchin stands up WHERE it matters ... the midfield!
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I would like to hear Campbell, Johnson and Newman's reaction?
I would bet they are behind him 100%.
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Meh.
Tradition that's around since 04 is hardly tradition.
No.9 Trent Cotchin (Captain)
No.3 Brett Deledio (Vice-Captain)
Just looks, sounds and seems better!
I would like to hear Campbell, Johnson and Newman's reaction?
I wanted Cotchin to keep his number but does this seem a bit selfish?
Love Cotchin and would give him anything he asks.
He is a born Captain and just the Captain we need in the heat of the moment to stand up when the tough gets going.
After that Gold Coast loss, I thought just give the captaincy to him now.
Cotchin stands up WHERE it matters ... the midfield!
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Meh.
Tradition that's around since 04 is hardly tradition.
Traditions to become traditions have to start somewhere Bents. Every single "tradtion" in world sport had to start somewhere.
The numbering of test players shirts has only been in place about 7-8 years (if that) but now every test playing nation does it and it's consider a tradition. The "tradition" presenting new Aust players with their "Baggy Green" just prior to a test has only be in vogue a few years now but it's now called a tradition. Are you saying all these "traditions" should be ignored simply because they've only been happening for a few years?
The Green Jacket at Augusta is a tradition but it had to start somewhere
Just looking at the AFL - the Grand Final Parade is considered a traditional part of GF week but has only been going for what maybe 30 years, the ANZAC Day game is referred to the "traditional ANZAC Day clash",
So how many years does something have to be in place before it's deemed a tradition, would seem it varies on a case by case basis depending on the argument
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If the rfc captain wore 17 since 1904, traditional.
If since 2004, steaming pile of poo.
WD cotchin.
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If they wanted to make a tradition of it they should have given the captiancy too a half decent player back in 04. I reckon they trying to beat up a poo side by bringing Dyer into it.
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If the rfc captain wore 17 since 1904, traditional.
If since 2004, steaming pile of poo.
WD cotchin.
So no sporting traditon is a tradition if it is less than 100 years old then? Or is 30 years
Or does the logic only apply to the RFC
I didn't ask just about the RFC number 17 side of things I asked about all sports
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Cotchin youngest in a century
By Tony Greenberg
richmondfc.com.au
Tue 27 Nov, 2012
Trent Cotchin has become the youngest Richmond captain in more than 100 years...
Cotchin, who was officially appointed to the post late last week, will be 22 years and 355 days old when he leads the Tiger team out for the 2013 opening round clash with Carlton at the MCG.
Only Billy Schmidt, who captained the Tigers in the 1910 season, was younger than Cotchin, when he led the team out for the first time.
Read the full article here: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/151782/default.aspx
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If the rfc captain wore 17 since 1904, traditional.
If since 2004, steaming pile of poo.
WD cotchin.
So no sporting traditon is a tradition if it is less than 100 years old then? Or is 30 years
Or does the logic only apply to the RFC
I didn't ask just about the RFC number 17 side of things I asked about all sports
i think if Cotchin had chosen to wear number 17 it probably would have become a tradition. But the 3 captains to wear it were Campbell in his last year of captaincy and well past his prime, plus suga and newly, both working class captains at best. Not really the stuff of legends (or establishing traditions). I'm glad Cotch canned it now, never been a fan of the idea.
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VIDEO: Newy on AFL 360 last night
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/newman-vlastuin-is-a-star/video-e6frf33l-1226657364331?subcat=1225914646252
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Richmond's Chris Newman lauds captain Trent Cotchin for setting the tone against West Coast
Bruce Matthews
From: Herald Sun
June 04, 2013 2:55PM
RICHMOND'S veteran defender Chris Newman lauded his captain successor Trent Cotchin for setting the trend that delivered the thumping win against West Coast last night.
Newman said the challenge now for the Tigers was to refresh during this week's bye and be ready to reproduce the form that overwhelmed the Eagles in Perth.
"We always knew it was going to be a challenge, West Coast and their midfield are very, very good. And, to our midfielders credit, they were fantastic,'' Newman said.
"From the top our captain (Trent Cotchin) was fantastic, he really led the way. And Nick Vlastuin looks like he's going to be a very good footballer for this club. Across the board (the effort) was very good.
"It was certainly the best game we've played this year and the challenge now is to back it up after the break, after a good spell.
"It was important coming off the game last week (loss to Essendon) when we were really disappointed the way we went about it. I guess, we were just keen to get back to playing our brand of football, tough hard, Richmond football. And now that we've got the break, it's a matter of freshening up and trying to use that momentum going into the second half of the year.''
The Tigers plans to negate West Coast ruckmen Dean Cox and Nic Naitanui and then feed off them worked perfectly to also silence the home fans.
"When you go and play West Coast with Cox and Naitanui, you almost concede the hitouts. So the midfielders knew they had to fight and scrap and win that contested footy when it hit the ground. To Ivan's (Maric) and Ty's (Vickery) credit, they really fought hard to make sure they didn't get a lot of clean hitouts,'' Newman said.
The Tigers group happily endured the "red-eye" flight home in the early hours this morning before heading to their Punt Road Oval headquarters for the recovery.
"It's just a good feeling to go away together, get the points and come back. That's how we want to play, anyway. It's getting back to the way we want to play,'' Newman said.
"Whenever we go away together, we just seem to gel. One of the boys threw up a suggestion of maybe stay in a hotel the night before a game when we play in Melbourne just to get together.
"It's really important for the group to freshen up, reload and start again. We've got country visits tomorrow all over Victoria and then we'll have a couple of days off and the weekend. It's just a mental freshener, we still have a program to keep the fitness in our legs when we come back.
"There's no doubt it's a different team and very exciting. To have the younger boys coming in and contributing is where you want to be.
"At this stage, we probably don't have any right to be talking about finals. We played a good game, but the challenge now is to string those together.
"Good teams play consistent footy, they play their brand every week and that's what we're striving for and pick that up after the break.''
Newman said Brandon Ellis and Reece Conca are expected to be available for the Tigers next match against Adelaide at the MCG in round 12.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/richmond8217s-chris-newman-lauds-captain-trent-cotchin-for-setting-the-tone-against-west-coast/story-fndv8t7m-1226657100650
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Richmond's senior men need to step-up and support their captain, senior AFL writer Rohan Connolly reports.
VIDEO: http://media.theage.com.au/sport/afl-real-footy/captain-cotchin-cant-do-it-all-5329321.html
Trent Cotchin can't do it all for Tigers
Rohan Connolly
The Age
April 7, 2014
Much has changed at Richmond over the last five years. A notoriously volatile club is well run and stable. The financial situation is healthier and membership at an all-time high. And as a team, the Tigers have higher aspirations.
Which is why already the pressure is again building at Punt Road, Richmond standing 1-2, and with a run over the next month taking in Collingwood, Brisbane Lions (away), Hawthorn and Geelong, in very real danger of slipping to 2-5 or even worse.
The Tigers are a far more capable side than they used to be, good enough to have finished last season just half-a-game away from a top-four spot. But one chronic flaw doesn’t appear that much closer to being addressed.
It’s leadership, and on-field at least, there’s still a chronic paucity of it. Where once upon a time it was former champion spearhead Matthew Richardson who seemingly had to carry much of the physical and spiritual load, the only change seems to have been the No.12 being replaced by a No.9.
Richmond captain Trent Cotchin couldn’t have done any more so far this season. He’s arguably been his side’s best player in its three games. But where’s the support coming from?
It’s not like the Tigers are still a bunch of greenhorns. They rank mid-table now in both the average age and games experience categories. But there’s another statistic which says plenty also about Richmond’s dearth of cool, wise and experienced heads come crunch time in games.
The loss of Saturday’s thriller against the Western Bulldogs after the Tigers had got to the front with just over three minutes remaining was the 12th time since the start of 2012 that Richmond has been involved in a game with a margin of 10 points or less. It has won just three of them.
Neither do the Tigers make a habit of clawing back deficits. The vast bulk, if not all, of their recent wins have been on the back of good starts or at least remaining within a kick or two of their opponent.
There can’t be many better indicators that this is a side which jumps on board for the ride but doesn’t have nearly enough prepared to knuckle down to either drag their team back into a contest or hang on to a hard-won lead.
Brett Deledio’s absence on Saturday left an obvious void in that respect. But what of the other Richmond senior men? Because while there’s continued focus on Jack Riewoldt, he’s far from the only culprit on this count. Jack’s first half was diabolical, but at least his second nearly won Richmond the game.
Richmond had eight 100-game-plus players in the line-up against the Bulldogs. How many exerted a real influence, either in terms of numbers or at least a physical presence?
Former skipper Chris Newman and Jake King had 17 touches between them. Troy Chaplin, Shaun Grigg and Shane Edwards each had only 13. The next most experienced were Bachar Houli and Ty Vickery, the former quiet, the latter again following up a good game with a poor one.
There’s certainly not a lot of aggression about this Richmond, either. Much of the grunt factor so far this season has been provided by former Port Adelaide on-baller Matt Thomas, picked up as a rookie lister for depth and only promoted to the senior list days before round one.
In attack, while King provides plenty of bluster, his material returns are more questionable, and in defence Chaplin, Houli, David Astbury and Dylan Grimes are hardly physical types. The numbers will say the Tigers ended up winning both the contested ball and the clearances against the Bulldogs, but this is as much about body language, demeanour and the little one per-centers not necessarily picked up on the stats sheet.
Captain Cotchin, meantime, is having to do it all. He’s not only ranked No.1 at Punt Road for disposals after three games, but both contested and uncontested possession, goal assists and inside 50s.
It was nearly enough against the Bulldogs, whose midfield unit is still young and improving. Against the on-ball divisions of the likes of the Magpies, Hawks and Cats, Richmond will get spanked if the skipper again has to play a lone hand.
Daniel Jackson might be a best and fairest winner, but his support for the captain isn’t necessarily going to be game-changing. Deledio will obviously make a big difference, and Dustin Martin, not for the first time, needs to aspire to the minute-by-minute consistency of his captain.
But less than a month into the new football year, Friday night suddenly shapes as a critical assignment for Richmond. Its opponent has the same win-loss record, but at least knows after Saturday night’s loss to Geelong that its entire performance doesn’t revolve around its own skipper, Scott Pendlebury.
The Tigers certainly can’t claim that at the moment. And know that as things stand, if Collingwood does manage to pull down the shutters on Cotchin, it will be as good as game over.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/trent-cotchin-cant-do-it-all-for-tigers-20140406-zqrif.html#ixzz2yBAWqQ29
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Even our votes so far in our OER Tiger of the Year award reflect that others other than Cotch need to step up.
Leaderboard after Round 3
Cotchin 67
Thomas 18
Griffiths 14
Deledio 12
Riewoldt 12
Ellis 11
Martin 7
Hampson 2
Vlastuin 2
Vickery 2
Astbury 1
Gordon 1
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Well, well, well now why am I not suprised....
If you were in a professional business you would be performance managed out of the business, so why is it any different here???
Houli, Pettard, Grigg, King, Newy, Titch
Time to stand up or FO
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Well, well, well now why am I not suprised....
If you were in a professional business you would be performance managed out of the business, so why is it any different here???
Houli, Pettard, Grigg, King, Newy, Titch
Time to stand up or FO
Pls be careful of what you say. Mental health is more important
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so what has changed fron last yr, theres still too much left to too few, when the few are injured or stopped we cave in.
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actually last year was a more rounded performance. It wasnt a case of so much being left to too few.
Currently Cotchin's form is well and truly on an upwards curve towards his 2012 (drug free brownlow winning) form.
last year he was average at best, yet we were one goal umpire blunder from a top four finish.
so what has changed is that the output from many of his teamates is down on last year.
Currently it is down to too much left to too few, but that wasn't the case last year
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Gets elbowed in head no one helps him
Gets scragged relentless no one helps him
Gets no screens shepherds
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Gets handcuffed to the bed, can he do it?
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Gets elbowed in head no one helps him
Gets scragged relentless no one helps him
Gets no screens shepherds
Because we breed a bunch of soft crock, pansies that don't learn from development how finals teams behave.
If you have a low bar your lauded for little.
These pansies wouldn't even know what it is to stick up for your mates let alone your captain.
Just one guy to run straight through Macaffer and put him on his arse (as within the rules as possible), but even if its not within the rules, your rubbed out for sticking up for your captain, Our seasons shot anyway.
But you won't see that from any of these poofs.
They're are a disgrace to the jumper.
Bunch of wannabe losers.
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and make it this week.
He's embarrassing himself and the club.
It ain't gonna get any better.
Worst leader captain in the comp.
stuffn deal with it.
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Make Jack captain
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Rance....just before he quits the game.
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Bring back Kane Johnson.
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Newman
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Bring back Kane Johnson.
Tell the cops to look outside their station.....
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Should've pulled King from the crowd....
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Cap'n Pee-Pee
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Don't matter who captains that team. They are all their own worst enemies. What that club needs is to stop playing softies & start playing & winning one on one battles. Learn how to man up & play hard grinding football. Learn how to penetrate the ball into the chest of players instead of their feet or out-stretched arms. They are pee weak footballers & would get smashed every week cause that is how the present themselves on the field. If you going to play & present yourself like a girl then you will be pushed around like them. l seen girls play harder so l shouldn't even be comparing the girls to them.
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Yes but his individual efforts are as insipid as the rest of them.
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Don't matter who captains that team. They are all their own worst enemies. What that club needs is to stop playing softies & start playing & winning one on one battles. Learn how to man up & play hard grinding football. Learn how to penetrate the ball into the chest of players instead of their feet or out-stretched arms. They are pee weak footballers & would get smashed every week cause that is how the present themselves on the field. If you going to play & present yourself like a girl then you will be pushed around like them. l seen girls play harder so l shouldn't even be comparing the girls to them.
:clapping :clapping
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Yes but his individual efforts are as insipid as the rest of them.
l'm over his short kicking football. infact l'm over this overuse football style all together.
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Morris :clapping
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We have no leadership what so ever, I mean at all :help
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Morris :clapping
May as well bring Newman back. :help
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l seen girls play harder so l shouldn't even be comparing the girls to them.
Correct. Most women I know who play footy would be insulted to be compared to that rabble
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Jeff hogg
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He was a much better player without all the weight of being a captain.
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No, this isn't the issue ...
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No, this isn't the issue ...
No our lack of leadership is a huge issue has been for a fair period of time.
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No, this isn't the issue ...
No our lack of leadership is a huge issue has been for a fair period of time.
cotchin is still young
what about the old players
newman
grigg
chaplin
FMD
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Jeff hogg
Did kick 10 in a game against Collingwood
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Jeff hogg
Did kick 10 in a game against Collingwood
I was there :thumbsup
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Jeff hogg
Did kick 10 in a game against Collingwood
I was there :thumbsup
A lot of us on this forum were ;)
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Been saying it for a LONG TIME.
Rance for captain. Even Jack would do a better job, guaranteed.
Now wait for the apologists to come along and defend Cotchin. The kind of blokes who get stuck into me for saying I think Cotchin is a terrible captain...
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Would agree Rance or Jack
Making Rance Captain might be a good reason he would go on
in 2016
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Would agree Rance or Jack
Making Rance Captain might be a good reason he would go on
in 2016
Good to see you have been reading my posts.
:lol
I'd also throw Rance out as an option but I don't think it is a position he covets so I am not sure he'd make a good captain
Might help keep Rance at the club.
Can someone make the suggestion to Cotch?
:cheers
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He seemed like the right choice at the time but one has to wonder what's going on with him. Looks more of a soldier type than the superstar we were all told he would be.
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He seemed like the right choice at the time but one has to wonder what's going on with him. Looks more of a soldier type than the superstar we were all told he would be.
He doesn't have the toughness for it. If you want to be a strong captain you need MONGREL. Look at Hodge. In fact look at Hawthorn. Hodge, Lewis or Mitchell could all captain that side comfortably. They're all mongrels and tough as nails.
Cotchin should not be captain. He clearly struggles under the weight of it and despite getting annoyed out on the field he doesn't have the killer instinct that makes him want to instigate the kind of behavior we often see him responding to.
Rance for me. He's starting to show a bit of mongrel lately. Probably because he's so over the club...
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They're all mummy's boys, they cry at the slightest tap. "Mummy, I've got a BooBoo..."
Yesterday Griff & Chappy grazed someone & stared hyperventilating.
I think Valstuin is the only legitimate tough player at our club all others are faker mummy-boys or nancy-boys that are yet to come out of the cupboard.
Vlastuin for captain and play him on ball but give him a few more years and the RFC will soften him up like all the others that have preceded him.
RFC...softening & ruining the careers of players & coaches for 34 years......
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Jackson had that mongrel. Pity he retired.
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Morris :clapping
YEAH cos he it the epitome of hard tough footy and it is just what we need.
I don't give a stuff if every player gets weeks on the sidelines as long as they go as hard as nails and wreak havoc while doing it.
FFS gotta do something sooner or later, I'm not doing this shiiiiite for another 30 stuffing years :banghead
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Yes but his individual efforts are as insipid as the rest of them.
l'm over his short kicking football. infact l'm over this overuse football style all together.
Yep. And the mind boggling, gob smacking thing about it is that last year we comprehensively proved it to ourselves that it was a miserable failure and yet here we are 12 months later trying to re-prove the exact same thing. :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
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Must sign up Rance. Rance has the attitude this side needs. He is team oriented and does not shirk from a contest.
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Morris :clapping
YEAH cos he it the epitome of hard tough footy and it is just what we need.
I don't give a stuff if every player gets weeks on the sidelines as long as they go as hard as nails and wreak havoc while doing it.
FFS gotta do something sooner or later, I'm not doing this shiiiiite for another 30 stuffing years :banghead
I agree with toughness. I don't think Morris is tough though I think he's a faker.
Flossy is tough and maybe Rance has shown some toughness recently but all the rest show faux toughness & all of it is cringeworthy.
It all makes me sick. :chuck
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Yes we are tough and hard at it ,and committed, until of course the heat is put on us
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No, this isn't the issue ...
No our lack of leadership is a huge issue has been for a fair period of time.
just a reminder:
1 Newman, Chris 256 32yr 11mth
41 Foley, Nathan 154 29yr 8mth
20 Maric, Ivan 138 29yr 4mth
25 Chaplin, Troy 190 29yr 2mth
15 Knights, Chris 102 28yr 7mth
19 Thomas, Matt (R) 100 28yr 2mth
3 Deledio, Brett 216 28yr 18 Apr 1987
16 Hampson, Shaun 74 27yr 1mth
6 Grigg, Shaun 130 27yr 19 Apr 1988
14 Houli, Bachar 120 26yr 11mth
13 Petterd, Ricky 84 26yr 9mth
10 Edwards, Shane 157 26yr 6mth
8 Riewoldt, Jack 163 26yr 6mth
38 Morris, Steven 70 26yr 4mth
18 Rance, Alex 113 25yr 7mth
22 Gordon, Nathan 19 25yr 2mth
27 Lloyd, Sam 13 25yr 2mth
9 Cotchin, Trent 137 25yr 1mth
29 Vickery, Tyrone 88 24yr 11mth
28 Hunt, Taylor 69 24yr 6mth
12 Astbury, David 41 24yr 2mth
everyone else is 23 or younger. Surely we cant expect them to be leaders as of yet? I don't really think we have a young selwood or hodge.
Id argue only Cotchin, Deledio, Maric, Rance, Houli, Edwards, Morris (sort of) shown or have shown any leadership...
some show nothing. some are a joke; Grigg, Chaplin.
leadership is a funny thing as you cannot measure it with stats. but you can see it, like Hodge playing back pockets in grand finals. Or Allan Border captaining
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Jackson had that mongrel. Pity he retired.
he was poo.
lol @ longing over Jackson, King, etc.
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Jackson had that mongrel. Pity he retired.
he was poo.
lol @ longing over Jackson, King, etc.
X 2
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Not captain material.
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Jackson had that mongrel. Pity he retired.
he was poo.
lol @ longing over Jackson, King, etc.
Wow, the audacity of some of you blokes.
He wasn't poo.
He was a player of limitations, one of which certainly wasn't his attitude to the game and club.
Just like Tuck and King, he persevered and endeavored to improve on his weaknesses, becoming a better player, which culminated in career-best form in 2013 and a deserved Jack Dyer medal.
Look at Tuck - became a premier midfielder in 2012. His disposal was much improved and at 189cm/92kg he was exactly the build of midfielder we're dying for right now. Jackson at 188/90 was of similar ilk. Not a polished player, but the kind of player you need in the engine room.
And what I wouldn't give to have a small forward like King circa 2010-2011 in the team right now, applying genuine tackle pressure and at least hitting the scoreboard every week - instead we have Steve Morris, who actually makes Jake King look All Australian.
It's a shame blokes like these don't have the talent that some other blokes have. Look at Vickery for example. Lots of talent, but no heart, no commitment, no enthusiasm, no desire, no ambition, no effing effort.
You need blokes like this in every team who don't take their weekly opportunities for granted the way some of our cashed-up, highly-talented individuals do...
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No, this isn't the issue ...
No our lack of leadership is a huge issue has been for a fair period of time.
just a reminder:
1 Newman, Chris 256 32yr 11mth
41 Foley, Nathan 154 29yr 8mth
20 Maric, Ivan 138 29yr 4mth
25 Chaplin, Troy 190 29yr 2mth
15 Knights, Chris 102 28yr 7mth
19 Thomas, Matt (R) 100 28yr 2mth
3 Deledio, Brett 216 28yr 18 Apr 1987
16 Hampson, Shaun 74 27yr 1mth
6 Grigg, Shaun 130 27yr 19 Apr 1988
14 Houli, Bachar 120 26yr 11mth
13 Petterd, Ricky 84 26yr 9mth
10 Edwards, Shane 157 26yr 6mth
8 Riewoldt, Jack 163 26yr 6mth
38 Morris, Steven 70 26yr 4mth
18 Rance, Alex 113 25yr 7mth
22 Gordon, Nathan 19 25yr 2mth
27 Lloyd, Sam 13 25yr 2mth
9 Cotchin, Trent 137 25yr 1mth
29 Vickery, Tyrone 88 24yr 11mth
28 Hunt, Taylor 69 24yr 6mth
12 Astbury, David 41 24yr 2mth
everyone else is 23 or younger. Surely we cant expect them to be leaders as of yet? I don't really think we have a young selwood or hodge.
Id argue only Cotchin, Deledio, Maric, Rance, Houli, Edwards, Morris (sort of) shown or have shown any leadership...
some show nothing. some are a joke; Grigg, Chaplin.
leadership is a funny thing as you cannot measure it with stats. but you can see it, like Hodge playing back pockets in grand finals. Or Allan Border captaining
End of 2015:- The axe should be swung on that eldest six. Maybe not Maric. Vickers instead. Maybe trade Deledio. Get a couple of early picks along with our first and second rounder. 4 picks inside the top 25, then 43 and 61.
End of of 2016:- clean out/trade out the Rest. Hampson, grigg, petard, Gordon Lloyd. Throw up Cotchin. 4 picks in the top 25 again
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No, this isn't the issue ...
No our lack of leadership is a huge issue has been for a fair period of time.
just a reminder:
1 Newman, Chris 256 32yr 11mth
41 Foley, Nathan 154 29yr 8mth
20 Maric, Ivan 138 29yr 4mth
25 Chaplin, Troy 190 29yr 2mth
15 Knights, Chris 102 28yr 7mth
19 Thomas, Matt (R) 100 28yr 2mth
3 Deledio, Brett 216 28yr 18 Apr 1987
16 Hampson, Shaun 74 27yr 1mth
6 Grigg, Shaun 130 27yr 19 Apr 1988
14 Houli, Bachar 120 26yr 11mth
13 Petterd, Ricky 84 26yr 9mth
10 Edwards, Shane 157 26yr 6mth
8 Riewoldt, Jack 163 26yr 6mth
38 Morris, Steven 70 26yr 4mth
18 Rance, Alex 113 25yr 7mth
22 Gordon, Nathan 19 25yr 2mth
27 Lloyd, Sam 13 25yr 2mth
9 Cotchin, Trent 137 25yr 1mth
29 Vickery, Tyrone 88 24yr 11mth
28 Hunt, Taylor 69 24yr 6mth
12 Astbury, David 41 24yr 2mth
everyone else is 23 or younger. Surely we cant expect them to be leaders as of yet? I don't really think we have a young selwood or hodge.
Id argue only Cotchin, Deledio, Maric, Rance, Houli, Edwards, Morris (sort of) shown or have shown any leadership...
some show nothing. some are a joke; Grigg, Chaplin.
leadership is a funny thing as you cannot measure it with stats. but you can see it, like Hodge playing back pockets in grand finals. Or Allan Border captaining
End of 2015:- The axe should be swung on that eldest six. Maybe not Maric. Vickers instead. Maybe trade Deledio. Get a couple of early picks along with our first and second rounder. 4 picks inside the top 25, then 43 and 61.
End of of 2016:- clean out/trade out the Rest. Hampson, grigg, petard, Gordon Lloyd. Throw up Cotchin. 4 picks in the top 25 again
i cant do another year of grigg
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Jackson had that mongrel. Pity he retired.
he was poo.
lol @ longing over Jackson, King, etc.
Wow, the audacity of some of you blokes.
He wasn't poo.
He was a player of limitations, one of which certainly wasn't his attitude to the game and club.
Just like Tuck and King, he persevered and endeavored to improve on his weaknesses, becoming a better player, which culminated in career-best form in 2013 and a deserved Jack Dyer medal.
Look at Tuck - became a premier midfielder in 2012. His disposal was much improved and at 189cm/92kg he was exactly the build of midfielder we're dying for right now. Jackson at 188/90 was of similar ilk. Not a polished player, but the kind of player you need in the engine room.
And what I wouldn't give to have a small forward like King circa 2010-2011 in the team right now, applying genuine tackle pressure and at least hitting the scoreboard every week - instead we have Steve Morris, who actually makes Jake King look All Australian.
It's a shame blokes like these don't have the talent that some other blokes have. Look at Vickery for example. Lots of talent, but no heart, no commitment, no enthusiasm, no desire, no ambition, no effing effort.
You need blokes like this in every team who don't take their weekly opportunities for granted the way some of our cashed-up, highly-talented individuals do...
Hackson was arse - the last kind of player you want as captain is a momentum killer.
Wouldn't have minded King as captain....can imagine him at least firing up the side and being antagonistic towards the opposition...a bit like Tony Shaw minus the talent....
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Serious question: what would we get for Lids if we traded him in spite of his contract?
It might be the best option for all parties.
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Serious question: what would we get for Lids if we traded him in spite of his contract?
It might be the best option for all parties.
Hopefully a young GWS gun or at least a high pick that will help us get one.
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Cotchin is coming into his own and is a gun
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Why do some supporters got to pull up the worthless topics after a good win.
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Cotchin is coming into his own and is a gun
Chucky, you mainly post tongue in cheek comments, but a when you are serious, you hit the nail on the head! :clapping
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Why do some supporters got to pull up the worthless topics after a good win.
Probably to highlight how ridiculous and hysterical some posters can be after a loss. Nothing wrong with a good bump.
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Cotchin is a leader, make no mistake about that!
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Cotchin is a leader, make no mistake about that!
Assuming his current and more recent leadership and efforts continues. It previously has been absent.
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Has been epic in the past month :clapping
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He's played games where he has been more spectacular with him his impact on the game, but last night was one his best. He was just getting down and dirty at the coal face all night. Even when freo stepped up their pressure, cotchin won a lot of hard ball. He wasnt able to get the clearances often, but he never stopped getting that ball, and when we have it, they dont.
This is the sort of thing he has been lacking, but IMO what is expected of a leader.
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id still be happy with lids / jack / rance
chimp is a jet but :bow
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Very good game. Very strong around the packs. Tackling very good.
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Richmond’s Trent Cotchin has overseen a Tigers turnaround that might make him footy’s best skipper
Max Laughton
FOX SPORTS
July 16, 2015
Trent Cotchin polls three Brownlow votes for a 31 disposal, five goal performance in a win against St Kilda. The victory is Richmond’s fourth for the year.
The Tigers skipper would poll six more votes in the next six games as his club completed a nine-game winning streak to reach the finals. Before that win over the Saints, Richmond had a 0.6% chance of playing finals, according to Champion Data.
Since Round 15 of last year, Richmond has won 18 of 24 games, a record only bettered by Fremantle and Sydney. They currently sit fifth, just a game out of the top four, and looking like making the finals for the third straight year.
That would mean a finals berth in each of Trent Cotchin’s first three seasons as captain. The last Tigers captain to take the club to finals in three straight years was Royce Hart.
Not only has the club improved, but so has Cotchin. In 2014, he became the youngest player in club history to win three best-and-fairest awards.
He has received 83 Brownlow votes in his career, 78 of them in the past four seasons. His career average of 0.64 votes per eligible game is seventh best of all active AFL players.
Five of the players ahead of him have had more games in their prime, and more chances, to receive votes — the other is Nat Fyfe.
Richmond has unintentionally made chaos their trademark. In recent decades, they’ve been the club of wooden spoons, 150-point losses, microwaved memberships and fence jumping.
So as the Tigers gain respect in the footy world, not just on-field but off it as well, how much of the credit can go to Cotchin? And does the improvement he’s overseen as skipper make him the in-form captain in the AFL - even near the top of the list?
Here’s why we think the answer could be yes.
THE FORM
TWO straight finals berths leading to two straight disappointing exits has left a bitter taste in the Tiger Army’s collective mouth.
But for a group maturing into its prime, they’ve been the prerequisite experience for greater success.
The Tigers’ current 9-5 record equals their best performance this far into a season since 1995. A win this weekend against St Kilda puts the club on track for its best season since the Preliminary final berth.
Jason Dunstall asked on Fox Footy’s On The Couch on Monday night if the Tigers have a chance at the premiership this season.
“Their form is as good as anyone’s right now,” Dunstall said.
It’s a difficult proposition, considering the teams ahead of them, but they’re teams they’ve beaten before. The Tigers have actually won each of the last three times they’ve faced the side on top of the ladder.
According to Gerard Healy and Jonathan Brown, it all comes back to Cotchin.
“Their skipper is having a fantastic two or three months,” Healy said.
Brown agreed, saying “Cotchin’s taken his game to another level especially in the leadership stakes.”
“He spoke to us after the game (on Friday night) — he’s trying to play with a lot more aggression, and he’s probably riding the fine line a little bit … I think he’s been outstanding.”
Cotchin is recording the best numbers of his captaincy, with high averages in disposals (26.4 per game) and goals (0.9).
That attacking power has been particularly important for a club that is allowing its fewest points per game since the premiership season of 1967, but has struggled to score over the past couple of years, averaging just 84 points per game this season.
Cotchin currently sits tied for seventh in betting for the Brownlow Medal.
THE LEADERSHIP
RICHMOND coach Damien Hardwick was full of praise for Cotchin last week after a stellar run of form that has helped the Tigers win seven of their last eight contests.
“There’s a reason we made him captain,” Hardwick said.
“The way he leads by example both on and off the field has been profound, and he’s only going to continue to grow in that role, as all good leaders do.
“He was captain at a relatively young age for a player of his ilk, and we expect him to improve every year. He’s still got some work in areas that we’re continuing to develop him in, as we are with me as coach and our football staff overall.
“He’s been fantastic, and the best thing about Trent is when he leads, he leads by example, so we’ve been really impressed.”
Teammate Jack Riewoldt agreed, telling the club website that he’s grown into the role of captain.
“You can tell that he knows how important he is as the leader of the group.
“As the captain, he’s able to basically pick the side up, put it on his shoulders and drag us over the line. We saw it in the third quarter against Sydney, when he had five score involvements and 11 touches in a quarter.
“I think he’s really starting to develop into the leader we know he can be, and why we selected him as the captain.”
Defender Jake Batchelor said of his performance against GWS that “you couldn’t ask for a better leader’s game.”
Known to be more reserved than most footy players since coming into the league, Cotchin spoke in the opening week of the season of the need to educate himself about his teammates’ differing interests.
Discussing the issue of illicit drugs in footy, Cotchin said how he is not a “nightclub goer” but has tried to learn about the situations that confront players who are.
“But the reality is a lot of young people like getting out there and chasing a bit of tail and so forth, and I just need to understand that and the reasons why they do that and just try to educate them on what acceptable behaviour is,” he told SEN.
“I think it gets back to your relationships with all your players and knowing exactly what’s happening within our team and making sure we’re looking out for each other.”
Knowing his teammates better might just have taught him a thing or two about his own game.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/richmonds-trent-cotchin-has-overseen-a-tigers-turnaround-that-might-make-him-footys-best-skipper/story-e6frf3e3-1227443039412
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He's definitely doing very well this year. I think he still has some way to go before he will reach Hodge like legendary status but he's definitely on the right track. The 3rd quarter Vs Sydney epitomised the sort of player he is.
The team's B and C tier do need to lift because we can't expect Cotchin to carry us over the line all the time or he'll end up broken like Judd
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Cotchin also spoke about the work he’s done in lifting his intensity around the contest.
“I don’t think my numbers from a contested possession point of view have changed too much, but maybe it’s the quality of them,” he said.
“I might be getting a few where I’m showing a little bit more dynamic and so forth, which breaks open a line and allows one of our outside to get free run at the footy, rather than just one of those crappy little handballs that count as a contested possession, but don’t really count for anything in the game.”
Read more at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-07-16/cotchin-achieves-his-goals
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I like the fact that cotchin is acknowledging and rectifying the criticisms that some have had about his game.
He's a quality player and is much better than some of what he has dished up. I'm glad he hasnt looked for excuses and blamed those around him, but rather is starting to stand up and be counted, and doing his best to drag others to a higher level rather than drop to theirs.
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Could be a smoky for the Brownlow when Fyfe eventually gets rubbed out :gotigers
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Trent Cotchin stands alongside Luke Hodge as the two best captains in the AFL this season
Jonathan Brown
Herald-Sun
July 25, 2015
TRENT Cotchin stands alongside Luke Hodge as the two best captains this season.
Cotchin’s ability to deliver in the big moments like Hodge has set the Richmond skipper apart from the rest of the pack this year.
He’s sensing the moment and doing special things to lift his team in its hour of need.
Hodge is famous for it and Cotchin is heading in that direction too.
Cotchin’s third quarter against Sydney was “Leadership 101” and his last term against the Giants when the Tigers were again in trouble was another eye-catching effort.
His ability to drag his side to victory has been the most impressive aspect of his leadership. He’s not the most vocal of skippers, but that’s not a problem, he’s an action man and it’s working.
Cotchin’s resilience has stood out.
He’s still a young man, only 25, and he copped a lot of stuff for kicking against the wind in last year’s elimination final against Port Adelaide.
He was also bagged by some for not being offensive enough with the footy in the early part of the season when the Tigers were struggling.
It takes a tremendous amount of strength when you take a beating as a leader, when you are questioned, and you respond positively.
Criticism as a leader is a heavy burden. Every player cops criticism for their form at some stage, but negative stuff regarding your leadership cuts deeper.
Not all leaders are able to sense the big moment in a game and do something about it. And as a young captain, Cotchin is delivering superbly on that front.
His concentration appears to be better than most and he has a fierce desire to make a difference at critical times in games.
When you start turning results your team’s way with critical plays, goals, and dominant quarters of football like Cotchin has done this season, it does wonders for your confidence and you go ahead in leaps and bounds as a leader.
All of sudden you relish those moments, you go looking for them.
It’s why Hodge, quite rightly, is lauded throughout the game. He embraces those moments and delivers time after time.
There’s plenty to like about Richmond this season and a place in the top four is there to be grabbed if it is good enough.
Let’s not forget the Tigers were 13th after Round 6 with just two wins. The critics were jumping out from everywhere. It’s a credit to Cotchin, coach Damien Hardwick and the rest of the club’s leaders that the situation was turned around to such an extent that it has won eight of its past nine.
I’m not saying Richmond is going to win the premiership this year, but it can definitely make top four. Anything can happen from there.
Sydney’s place is the position the Tigers are surely eyeing with just one win and 5.6 per cent separating the two.
The Tigers finish the home-and-away rounds with games against Adelaide (Adelaide Oval), Gold Coast (MCG), Collingwood (MCG), Essendon (MCG) and North Melbourne (Etihad).
It’s far from a dream run, but all are below them on the ladder.
But it’s the next two games that should give us the clearest indication of Richmond’s capabilities.
Win one or both against Fremantle on Saturday then Hawthorn, then hear the Tiger Army roar.
http://www.news.com.au/national/trent-cotchin-stands-alongside-luke-hodge-as-the-two-best-captains-in-the-afl-this-season/story-e6frfkp9-1227455952296
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Stupid article. Played a few great ganes and articles like this start
Good captains don't continually miss shots like that. It's actually that simple
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Ready for folks to pot me
But...
He certainly couldn't after yesterday
2 important goals missed
Forget the clutch one in the last. There was also a really easy snap 15 metres out in the first
See the papers are potting Griffiths for missing just before half time, the one in the first by the captain was woeful
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Ready for folks to pot me
But...
He certainly couldn't after yesterday
2 important goals missed
Forget the clutch one in the last. There was also a really easy snap 15 metres out in the first
See the papers are potting Griffiths for missing just before half time, the one in the first by the captain was woeful
Agree 100%
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Ready for folks to pot me
But...
He certainly couldn't after yesterday
2 important goals missed
Forget the clutch one in the last. There was also a really easy snap 15 metres out in the first
See the papers are potting Griffiths for missing just before half time, the one in the first by the captain was woeful
Agree 100%
x2
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No where near hodge in leadership.
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Always misses the crunch goals. Always.
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Reckon it's too soft to pot shot our captain who does done so much right for 1 facet of the game he needs to improve.
What do people suggest happen with Cotchin because he isn't a dead eye in front of goal? Delisting him? Get a grip.
Focus on bigger issues why we lost, Martin 0.4 and rest of squad awful kicking at goal, selection of Lloyd and an injured Hampson, the fact none of our A Grade players played well, Houli's brain fade.
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Ready for folks to pot me
But...
He certainly couldn't after yesterday
2 important goals missed
Forget the clutch one in the last. There was also a really easy snap 15 metres out in the first
See the papers are potting Griffiths for missing just before half time, the one in the first by the captain was woeful
This, our capt has a history of missing clutch goals.
Hell
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Reckon it's too soft to pot shot our captain who does done so much right for 1 facet of the game he needs to improve.
What do people suggest happen with Cotchin because he isn't a dead eye in front of goal? Delisting him? Get a grip.
Focus on bigger issues why we lost, Martin 0.4 and rest of squad awful kicking at goal, selection of Lloyd and an injured Hampson, the fact none of our A Grade players played well, Houli's brain fade.
Sorry but this is a ridiculous assertion. Those issues are more or less being discussed in different threads, to varying extents. And rightly so.
But this suggestion and inference that we, instead, pot shot Martin and the rest of the squad on this thread, at the expense of Cotchins leadership and goal kicking issues is scapegoating at worse, a diversion at best.
No he is not a dead eye. And nobody expects him to kick 100/100. Nobody is calling for him to be delisted. :huh
Problem is He can barely even hit the dart board. It is NOT a minor issue. It is a significant ongoing problem.
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I'm one of hodge biggest fans... But its not like he kicks many goals
Sits in the back pocket and sweeps
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No where near hodge in leadership.
Six years younger and leading a side nowhere near Hawthorn in abilty and depth, nor are they as well coached.
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Always misses the crunch goals. Always.
Sad but true. I made that same comment before his shot yesterday, just knew he would miss it. :banghead :banghead
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I'm one of hodge biggest fans... But its not like he kicks many goals
Sits in the back pocket and sweeps
He does kick goals, might not be many but when he has a shot he nails it
That's the difference
Reckon it's too soft to pot shot our captain who does done so much right for 1 facet of the game he needs to improve.
What do people suggest happen with Cotchin because he isn't a dead eye in front of goal? Delisting him? Get a grip.
Focus on bigger issues why we lost, Martin 0.4 and rest of squad awful kicking at goal, selection of Lloyd and an injured Hampson, the fact none of our A Grade players played well, Houli's brain fade.
Martin missed 4, Jack missed a couple of sitters and our Captain missed 2. Did all those misses cost us the game, you betcha they did. Half of the posters are goals and it's a solid 3 goal win.
But the Cotchin one in the last was incredibly crucial in the overall comtext of the game. What made It worse was the fact he missed everything, not just a goal but didn't even reigster a behind.
Whether you want to acknowledge it or not in those clutch momemts your captain, the bloke who needs to set the example, who is leading you needs to kick it. It makes a statement, it drags the others along.
And yesterday he didn't and it was costly. He let us down and just as telling he let himself and team down
Never said to trade him, not even suggesting it
But when articles like the one this thread is about makes sweeping statements our Captain is on par to the best captain in the comp then yesterday proved that he isn't, not yet anyway
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Wish people would stop using that stupid Seppo term "clutch" for big moments....almost as gay as when people describe hbf's and rebounding defenders as "quarterbacks".
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Stick to we wogball terms
Sweeping
Deep lying playmaker
False ,9
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No pee them off too.....
.....and go back to calling mids ruck rovers, rovers centremen & wingers.
Reclaim Australian Rules!
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No pee them off too.....
.....and go back to calling mids ruck rovers, rovers centremen & wingers.
Reclaim Australian Rules!
Lol u fool
Its not Aussie rules when there 18/defenders and no one within 200 yards of the goals
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too late. most people refer to it as AFL, which is just a corporate trademark.
The AFL have kidnapped the game and rape it at will.
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Swoosh sss
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Richmond skipper Trent Cotchin reveals the challenges of becoming captain
Emma Quayle
The Age
August 15, 2015
Things have changed since Trent Cotchin became Richmond's captain almost four years ago, not understanding exactly what he was in for but knowing it was what he wanted. He got married, to Brooke. They're about to start renovating their house; at least they think they are, after a two-year wait and a lot of reworked plans. Their baby daughter Harper is on the move, pushing a trolley around the lounge room on legs that have just started walking (in a wobbly kind of way). Cotchin has always looked forward to life after football but last year he signed the first long-term contract of his career, comfortable about what is coming and what he is immersed in.
"When you have a family, things feel a little bit different," he said. "I feel settled and happy, and you get to a point where you know where your head's at and things like security and feeling settled become more important than being on the edge. I can see the club's in a good place, and I feel like I'm a part of what's going on there."
He has never really felt anything but, and the Tigers have been his home since he was 17. But it was only after becoming a 22-year-old captain that Cotchin began to realise all the things he didn't know and to work out the best the way to get to know them was to be what he knows better than anything else: himself. He wouldn't exactly say he's happy with his season so far, because "it always feels like there's ways to keep improving and do more and play with a little bit more impact. I haven't had a heap of four-quarter performances. And a few more goals would be nice." But in other ways, he has never felt better balanced.
The way he wants to lead is by being consistent, level and steady. Realistic but not reactive, whether the team is winning or losing. He wants to know something about all the people he is working with, so that he can help them do the things he knows they can all do. In the beginning Cotchin found himself thinking a lot about work after he got home - what he could or should be doing even better - and it felt as though his football wasn't as good as it could be, because of it. Then he looked around, and something sunk in. Luke Hodge is a different sort of leader to Matthew Pavlich, and Scott Pendlebury, and Joel Selwood. And they're all very good at what they do.
"I think your focus shifts from trying to be what you think is the best leader, to learning more about your strengths, the way you can influence the group, and focusing on that. As a younger leader you try to be this perfect leader to everyone, but then you start to find your niche and what works for you," Cotchin said.
"I have never been and I'm still not a massive speaker, but one of the keys for me has been to work with people as individuals and to be balanced. I think that's probably one of my strengths, that no matter what the result is on the weekend or what's going on during the week, I can be consistent, level and not ride the rollercoaster as much as you do when you're a young player, but flatten it out as much as you can.
"Relationships are massive, and I've never been the type of person who's wanted to go for beers and things like that. But someone told me when I was younger that even though you don't need to be best mates with all the guys on the list, you need to have an understanding of how people tick, whether it's the youngest bloke at the club or someone who's been there a long time, otherwise you won't be able to have any real influence on the group.
"That's something that's been really important for me and that's grown in the last couple of years, I think. You work out that there are different ways to connect with different people. Maybe I got the job when I wasn't quite old enough or mature enough to take on such a responsibility, but looking back on it now I'm thankful it happened early rather than later.
"Unless you're in it and doing it you can't learn as quickly or learn as much, and I've benefited from that and from having the people around me that I've had. As a leadership group and as a whole group we've matured a lot and we blend well together. That's been a big help for me."
So have the changes in his own life. Cotchin has wanted to start his own family for a long time, but having his energetic, happy 11-month-old daughter around has been better than he could have imagined and given him an even stronger sense of what matters most. He is not alone: about a third of the Tigers' starting 22 have become fathers in the past year or two.
"People say when you get home your dog doesn't know whether you've had a bad day at work or not. Kids are about 50 times that," Cotchin said. "I suppose what happens is your focus turns straight to her the second you get home and even before that, because the decisions you make have her in mind and your family in mind.
"We're pretty organised people, but when you're planning things around a child it forces you to be more structured and it also makes you a bit more flexible, I think. You go with the flow a bit more, your priorities change and you're probably not as accessible, but you also realise that life isn't meant to be too structured.
"I guess she helps keep me focused, and also gives me that release from footy whether I like it or not, and I definitely like it. It's been challenging, but it's been fun. She's made both our lives a bit better and we love having her around."
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/richmond-tigers/richmond-skipper-trent-cotchin-reveals-the-challenges-of-becoming-captain-20150814-gizkhy.html
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Richmond should consider replacing Trent Cotchin as captain for next-level improvement
Mark Robinson
Herald Sun
October 30, 2015 8:00pm
TO improve its chances of winning a final, let alone a premiership, Richmond went hunting externally.
During the trade period, the Tigers recruited Chris Yarran to be a release player off halfback and targeted an Anthony Miles replica in Jacob Townsend to add depth and vigour to the midfield.
The cuts came quickly. Matt Thomas retired and Matt Dea and Nathan Gordon were delisted in phase two of the list reshaping.
Phase one saw four retire — Chris Newman, Nathan Foley, Chris Knights and Ricky Petterd — while Matt McDonough and Matt Arnot were delisted.
Nine changes were made. Yarran, Townsend and delisted Port Adelaide midfielder Andrew Moore, who is likely to end up at Punt Rd, will fill three of the spots, meaning the Tigers have six spots to find new talent.
Externally, they also went after Daniel Hannebery, Harley Bennell and Adam Treloar. They couldn’t get Hannebery, they didn’t want Bennell after Bennell spat in their face and they couldn’t get Treloar despite the bold offering of two first-round selections to the Giants.
On that front, the Tigers are becoming the “almost-got-you club”, for they keep missing out.
So, externally, Yarran was the only big-ticket item when, after three consecutive elimination finals, the Tigers desperately needed more than Yarran.
It means internally is where the Tigers must strive for the next-level improvement.
It’s why the must consider replacing Trent Cotchin as captain.
Cotchin is the club’s best player, but he might not be the best captain or the right captain for the Tigers through what has emerged as a mentally challenging period for Richmond, a challenge that Cotchin hasn’t been able to conquer individually or lead collectively.
There’s not an automatic captain-in-waiting like there was at Hawthorn when Sam Mitchell was given the kyber for Luke Hodge, but there is a man called Jack Riewoldt.
Riewoldt has grown to be a man among men in the past 18 months and is the clear replacement if, in fact, the Tigers believe pulling the trigger on Cotchin for Riewoldt could improve the dynamics which could improve mentality which could improve performance
Three finals losses tell us something has to give, other than delisting fringe players and recruiting a player who could be a plus if he gets his mind right.
No, the Tigers must be bold internally because if they keep doing the same thing, keep floundering in the face of finals pressure, they will keep getting the same result.
Mitchell captained the Hawks to the 2008 premiership and was replaced by Hodge at the end of 2010, when Hodge had grown to be a man among men.
Sound familiar?
Riewoldt is no Hodge in terms of out-and-out inspiration, yet Riewoldt has his own attitude, his own character, which he has imposed on his team and on the game.
Mitchell was 27 when he lost the captaincy.
Cotchin is 26 next April.
Mitchell won a flag and wasn’t the best option at Hawthorn.
Cotchin has lost three finals in his three years as captain.
Clearly, if a move was made it would be seen as a sleight on Cotchin. It shouldn’t be. Every decision is made to better the team and who’s to say releasing Cotchin from the extra responsibility won’t improve his football and thus the team?
In 2011, he won his first best and fairest. In 2012, he won back-to-back B&Fs, the coaches award, was All-Australian and was equal second in the Brownlow Medal with Mitchell.
He finished fifth in the club award in 2013, won his third B&F in 2014 and was fifth again this year.
Notwithstanding his 2014 win, Cotchin hasn’t been the same dominant player as he was in 2012, when he was considered to be the next superstar midfielder.
Such a prolific team player, perhaps Cotchin could best serve the Tigers by concentrating more on his game and not on everyone else’s game.
In essence, Cotchin should play with a more selfish attitude which is arguably what is required from a team’s best player. Make the play instead of protecting the play. Run through the holes at stoppages instead of ensuring the defensive holes are filled. Play like it’s 2012 and not 2015.
Dare we say it, play like Mitchell because he has the capability to.
He is an enormous player, Cotchin, which is why when you look at this year’s and last year’s elimination final losses, you have to ask the sort of questions which are being asked today
Is he the right man to lead the Tigers?
Has he the mental balance/capability to be a great captain and a great player?
Has he the aura, presence and inspiration?
The same questions would be asked of Riewoldt, of course, and arguably he straightaway ticks the boxes labelled aura, presence and inspiration. The other two are the risk. But what is football without risk?
The Tigers will probably flat-out reject today’s observations, that’s if they even consider them.
They’ll say Cotchin’s growing as a captain, has a massive level-headed presence during the week and is a player whose professionalism is unsurpassed.
We would never disagree.
But we would also be naive to think that internal leadership wasn’t on the agenda when the season was reviewed.
How could it not be? The Tigers stumbled — yet again — when finals pressure spooked them and leadership had to be the go-to question.
Remember, this is not a popularity contest or a walk-around-on-eggshells scenario. Every decision made has to be for what is best for the team.
Remember, too, that leadership off the field is only one aspect of leadership. Standing up in finals is what is truly remembered and respected and Cotchin’s past two finals have been poor. He knows that and they would haunt him.
Cotchin is a very good player and not so long ago was a great player.
Maybe the captaincy is not for him. Maybe his greatness is being subdued because of the captaincy.
If you agree with former St Kilda coach Grant Thomas, then Cotchin will be a leader anyway and that someone else — Jack Riewoldt — would benefit from gaining the leadership, which just might benefit the team.
God knows, as does Damien Hardwick, something’s not quite clicking at the Tigers.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-should-consider-replacing-trent-cotchin-as-captain-for-nextlevel-improvement/news-story/3e22073e7b063fdce6f71f8c5aea8171
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Agree, but the club, players and Hardwick don't have the balls to do it.
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Captain doesn't mean Shyte IMO ...
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of which the same could possibly be said?
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Agree, but the club, players and Hardwick don't have the balls to do it.
x 2
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Yep agree
And Stalin it might not make a difference to us but reckon it would have an impact on cotch
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Interesting read
Agree, but the club, players and Hardwick don't have the balls to do it.
x 2
x 3
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Heraldsun should consider replacing Mark Robinson as chief football writer for next-level improvement :whistle
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Yep agree
And Stalin it might not make a difference to us but reckon it would have an impact on cotch
agreed would impact chimp or jack or rance who is captain, depending on if they change it or not
but to the average foot solider i doubt it makes a iota of difference
grimes would of still gone hard in the big contest in the last final for example, regardless of who the captain is. where as your troy will still squib it. very overrated role as opposed to a sport where it makes a difference like lawn bowls or cricket
Interesting read
was hodge not a man among men well before he was made captain? he was indeed for mine, which to be fair is not worth much
im still not quite sold why jack cannot be inspirational without the official title
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Agree that we need a stronger leader, I'm not sold Jack is an out and out choice to warrant a change.
Alex Rance may suit better...
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Grigg & Chaplin co-captains.... :shh
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hampson vc :clapping
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What is a man among men? What kind of poo is this?
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dunno but hodge was pretty handy by 2008
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His weak as pee as a leader let's be honest
pee these introverts off for stuff sake. I mean wasn't it a year ago where his mates had to tell him to be harder on them or something
Jack in Cotch out.
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I'm a huge fan of Jack.
He's not even in the leadership group tho
Which is voted by the players.
Chimp has slowly been growing in it.
Let's stuffing finish something else half way through :banghead
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That leadership group is a joke
Isn't Morris in it? Whatever they are currently doing is not working and I do recall people laughing at the crows about one tex walker
Same same. I actually don't care either way to be honest but a change in some form is what's required.
We will head into another season with the same on and off field personnel
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Jack or Rance
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Maybe Robbo should rewatch ...
Rd 7 Richmond vs Collingwood
Rd 13 Sydney vs Richmond
Rd 18 Hawthorn vs Richmond
If that's not a captain , I don't know what one is .
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^ just needs to be like that more often because he had no impact on way too many games for a captain.
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What is a man among men? What kind of poo is this?
It means he stands out as an individual amongst a group.
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The last great captain we had was Matthew Knights.
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I'd love Jack to be captain.
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^ just needs to be like that more often because he had no impact on way too many games for a captain.
he cannot be superhuman every game
hed had four brownlows by now if that was his normal level
a more fair expectation from supporters, instead of expecting a ian stewart / judd clone consistently would be to have some of the other team mates pick up some slack ...
Maybe Robbo should rewatch ...
Rd 7 Richmond vs Collingwood
Rd 13 Sydney vs Richmond
Rd 18 Hawthorn vs Richmond
If that's not a captain , I don't know what one is .
r13 is a good example of a captains knock
carlton final , cotch was good too
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Maybe Robbo should rewatch ...
Rd 7 Richmond vs Collingwood
Rd 13 Sydney vs Richmond
Rd 18 Hawthorn vs Richmond
If that's not a captain , I don't know what one is .
Mat, there's 23 rounds of football
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Maybe Robbo should rewatch ...
Rd 7 Richmond vs Collingwood
Rd 13 Sydney vs Richmond
Rd 18 Hawthorn vs Richmond
If that's not a captain , I don't know what one is .
Mat, there's 23 rounds of football
he got the ball 540 times in 22 games
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Maybe Robbo should rewatch ...
Rd 7 Richmond vs Collingwood
Rd 13 Sydney vs Richmond
Rd 18 Hawthorn vs Richmond
If that's not a captain , I don't know what one is .
Mat, there's 23 rounds of football
he got the ball 540 times in 22 games
52 more than grigg. Wow big difference hey?
means SFA this is about who is best to lead this club to a flag. You want a leader or one who gets stage fright?
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I want a leader
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Cotch was in the documentary"a chosen few"
Pretty good insight as to what captains go through, not an easy gig, Cotch was very good on the program
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It's not an easy gig so we should tolerate mediocre leadership from him.
Makes sense
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Maybe Robbo should rewatch ...
Rd 7 Richmond vs Collingwood
Rd 13 Sydney vs Richmond
Rd 18 Hawthorn vs Richmond
If that's not a captain , I don't know what one is .
Mat, there's 23 rounds of football
he got the ball 540 times in 22 games
52 more than grigg. Wow big difference hey?
means SFA this is about who is best to lead this club to a flag. You want a leader or one who gets stage fright?
i would say the key difference is how they went about getting the ball
what were cotchin stats in the carlton final?
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Most would agree the RFC haven't got the agetts to stand Cotch down from captain but would they consider a dual captaincy? In true Richmond style they could hedge their bet.
I personally love Cotch but I do agree some things need to change at the club. Robbo's idea isn't as bad as it sounds. Let Cotch go back to just playing footy without the distraction, and for a player like Jack I think the position could take him to a new level... And maybe the club.
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Most would agree the RFC haven't got the agetts to stand Cotch down from captain but would they consider a dual captaincy? In true Richmond style they could hedge their bet.
I personally love Cotch but I do agree some things need to change at the club. Robbo's idea isn't as bad as it sounds. Let Cotch go back to just playing footy without the distraction, and for a player like Jack I think the position could take him to a new level... And maybe the club.
Cast your mind back to when Newy was captain in '12 and remember that Cotchin was almost banging the door down to be skipper. Jack has grown immensely as a leader and that is a tremendous credit to him, but Cotchin was asking bigger questions in the same situation IMO. I'd probably prefer Cotch to stay on. I think he actually had a very good season this year, his best as captain.
He did go missing in the final, and Jack stood up, we consider this, weight it accordingly and make the final call. Still Cotchin for mine, I think he's still growing into the position, he's only 26 and this will be his 4 year as skipper!
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Is Jack still too prone to a dummy spit? I know he's gotten better but I don't like seeing that in a captain. Difference between demanding standards and berating players
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Remember Jack after the Freo loss - I think he was going to kill Houli .
Maric showed real leadership that day - now there's a man amongst men .
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Miles anyone?
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Leave it as it is. It doesn't matter a stuff who the captain is, the whole team should take more leadership on. I want to see Houli take some leadership and kick long to a boundary, i want to see Chaplin take on some leadership and stand next to some prick, i want to see Flossy, miles, Lids etc show some leadership and put some body between a tagger and Cotchin. They all need to stand up with actions, not clichés.
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Cotch to jack.
Frying pan to fire.
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Most would agree the RFC haven't got the agetts to stand Cotch down from captain but would they consider a dual captaincy? In true Richmond style they could hedge their bet.
I personally love Cotch but I do agree some things need to change at the club. Robbo's idea isn't as bad as it sounds. Let Cotch go back to just playing footy without the distraction, and for a player like Jack I think the position could take him to a new level... And maybe the club.
:clapping
Great post
Maybe Robbo should rewatch ...
Rd 7 Richmond vs Collingwood
Rd 13 Sydney vs Richmond
Rd 18 Hawthorn vs Richmond
If that's not a captain , I don't know what one is .
Agree with you on the 3 games but it actual highlights part of the issue. Granted everyone is entitled to an off day but that standard in those 3 games should be the norm and not the exception
And IMHO games like the ones you've highlighted have become less frequent over the last 2 seasons.
But the biggest problem again IMHO has been his 3 finals, the last 2 have been woeful, makes you forget the brilliant 3 pretty easily
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Has cotch's game improved, stagnated or gone backwards since getting the captaincy?
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Most would agree the RFC haven't got the agetts to stand Cotch down from captain but would they consider a dual captaincy? In true Richmond style they could hedge their bet.
I personally love Cotch but I do agree some things need to change at the club. Robbo's idea isn't as bad as it sounds. Let Cotch go back to just playing footy without the distraction, and for a player like Jack I think the position could take him to a new level... And maybe the club.
:clapping
Great post
Maybe Robbo should rewatch ...
Rd 7 Richmond vs Collingwood
Rd 13 Sydney vs Richmond
Rd 18 Hawthorn vs Richmond
If that's not a captain , I don't know what one is .
Agree with you on the 3 games but it actual highlights part of the issue. Granted everyone is entitled to an off day but that standard in those 3 games should be the norm and not the exception
And IMHO games like the ones you've highlighted have become less frequent over the last 2 seasons.
But the biggest problem again IMHO has been his 3 finals, the last 2 have been woeful, makes you forget the brilliant 3 pretty easily
Cotchin would be far better than fyfe
if he played at the sydney game standard, week in week out
you have high expectations
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Has cotch's game improved, stagnated or gone backwards since getting the captaincy?
backwards
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so therein lies the answer to the bigger question, does it not?
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so therein lies the answer to the bigger question, does it not?
Therein it does.
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Agreed.
They wouldn't demote Cotchin.
It's too politically incorrect and sends an almost ruthless message.
This is a club that are more hell bent on sticking with an American woman as president, to appease the leftie and cater to an otherwise useless agenda, than making it about footy.
Well done Benny Gayle.
When are you running for parliament !??
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Agreed.
They wouldn't demote Cotchin.
It's too politically incorrect and sends an almost ruthless message.
This is a club that are more hell bent on sticking with an American woman as president, to appease the leftie and cater to an otherwise useless agenda, than making it about footy.
Well done Benny Gayle.
When are you running for parliament !??
but....but....but....stability....
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Agreed.
They wouldn't demote Cotchin.
It's too politically incorrect and sends an almost ruthless message.
This is a club that are more hell bent on sticking with an American woman as president, to appease the leftie and cater to an otherwise useless agenda, than making it about footy.
Well done Benny Gayle.
When are you running for parliament !??
but....but....but....stability....
That's right
Stability in mediocrity is really just stagnancy with another, more politically manipulative name.
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Agreed.
They wouldn't demote Cotchin.
It's too politically incorrect and sends an almost ruthless message.
This is a club that are more hell bent on sticking with an American woman as president, to appease the leftie, cock suckers and cater to an otherwise useless agenda, than making it about footy.
Well done Benny Gayle.
When are you running for parliament !??
can you name one thing that the American woman president has done so wrong to undo what all the other presidents have achieved over the last 33 years?
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I think the captaincy should be held by Cotch. I actually think that knee injury a couple years back is what's stopped his ascendancy into Ablett like playing ability.
If we had to pick someone else though I would pick Lids as he has been in the system long enough to get the players preparation right and maybe more players will take the game on and actually run and bounce the ball with Lids as captain my
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Agreed.
They wouldn't demote Cotchin.
It's too politically incorrect and sends an almost ruthless message.
This is a club that are more hell bent on sticking with an American woman as president, to appease the leftie and cater to an otherwise useless agenda, than making it about footy.
Well done Benny Gayle.
When are you running for parliament !??
can you name one thing that the American woman president has done so wrong to undo what all the other presidents have achieved over the last 33 years?
You're right.
I can't name one thing she's done.
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Anybody?.
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You haven't answered my question
you're good at using race and gender as a bench mark for quality or lack of but nothing else.
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What has she done?
You don't even know but you spout generic argument for the sake of it.
I'm saying she's done nothing.
Clearer?
Now, what HAS she done?
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Sorry, but you have lost count of the order of questioning. You brought into question of the nationality and gender of our president and the direction of the RFC. I asked what she has done wrong. You have answered that with another question. That tells me you can't formulate a response based on fact, you would rather use gender and race.
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Can someone please confirm who asked what, when, in what order and who has to answer that question first?
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Sorry, but you have lost count of the order of questioning. You brought into question of the nationality and gender of our president and the direction of the RFC. I asked what she has done wrong. You have answered that with another question. That tells me you can't formulate a response based on fact, you would rather use gender and race.
Yes..I understand what you have done.
What she has done wrong is, she's done nothing.
Perhaps now you could answer my question.
What has she done?
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Overseen a board that has increased profits, memberships, infrastructure. You're just peeed off she hasn't sacked hardwick.
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Harry high hair just doesn't cut personally.
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Lol oversaw us idiots signing up in record numbers. She deserves full credit. Please.
She is very good at preaching stability and reminding us we would like to win a "final"
Unfortunately all those things about infrastructure matter very little when you get embarrassed on field. Don't think the American fully understands that . Profit is nice when you actually know what to do with it.
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Has she, or has she not, overseen the most amount of sustained on field and off field success than any other president in rrecent years? Either way, my point is this, her gender and her ethnicity seems to be brought up as a reason why she fails as a president or is not up it, not her actions or achievements.
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Has she, or has she not, overseen the most amount of sustained on field and off field success than any other president in rrecent years? Either way, my point is this, her gender and her ethnicity seems to be brought up as a reason why she fails as a president or is not up it, not her actions or achievements.
You keep referring to others slagging off her 'ethnicity' and 'race'. Ox nor anyone else has done this. Being American is not an ethnicity nor a race. It's a nationality.
That aside, please quantify and qualify her specific involvement in the off field (and supposedly our on field) success, or did all this merely occur on her watch?
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Richo12 is so politically correct, she takes offence in articulate description.
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Has she, or has she not, overseen the most amount of sustained on field and off field success than any other president in rrecent years? Either way, my point is this, her gender and her ethnicity seems to be brought up as a reason why she fails as a president or is not up it, not her actions or achievements.
You keep referring to others slagging off her 'ethnicity' and 'race'. Ox nor anyone else has done this. Being American is not an ethnicity nor a race. It's a nationality.
That aside, please quantify and qualify her specific involvement in the off field (and supposedly our on field) success, or did all this merely occur on her watch?
Being American can very much be a race or ethnic. You're lack of intelligence in this area is astounding but not surprising. America is made up of many races and ethnicities. Just like australia. Anyway,the race i refer to is yarran, which ox has drawn attention to before and has had one poster challenge him on to which he had no courage to reply.
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Richo12 is so politically correct, she takes offence in articulate description.
:lol at articulate.
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Has she, or has she not, overseen the most amount of sustained on field and off field success than any other president in rrecent years? Either way, my point is this, her gender and her ethnicity seems to be brought up as a reason why she fails as a president or is not up it, not her actions or achievements.
Sorry, but you have lost count of the order of questioning. You brought into question of the nationality and gender of our president and the direction of the RFC. I asked what she has done wrong. You have answered that with another question. That tells me you can't formulate a response based on fact, you would rather use gender and race.
Yes..I understand what you have done.
What she has done wrong is, she's done nothing.
Perhaps now you could answer my question.
What has she done?
Suppose it all depends on what people think the role of a president involves.
But back to the actual topic and whether we should consider replacing Cotchin as Captain and Robbo's article ;D
I think in a lot of cases clubs live by the ethos that their best player needs to be captain because somehow they are going to be great leaders.
I don't agree with that idea as it doesn't always work.
Look at GC, Ablett is without doubt their best player but I don't think he is a good captain. Ditto Pendlebury, gun player not sure he is ag great captain.
Yes at some clubs their best player is their captain eg Melbourne and Jones, Geelong and Selwood
But you look at other clubs Are Jack and McVeigh Sydney's best players? Bob Murphy at the Bulldogs?
Boak? No, actually You could even make case with Hodge and Hawthorn.
Maybe what the RFC needs to do is to look at having a leader rather thinking our best player is the best option.
As I said I thought Robbo's article was an very interesting read and a worthy one that opened up a interesting and probably important discussion
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Has she, or has she not, overseen the most amount of sustained on field and off field success than any other president in rrecent years? Either way, my point is this, her gender and her ethnicity seems to be brought up as a reason why she fails as a president or is not up it, not her actions or achievements.
You keep referring to others slagging off her 'ethnicity' and 'race'. Ox nor anyone else has done this. Being American is not an ethnicity nor a race. It's a nationality.
That aside, please quantify and qualify her specific involvement in the off field (and supposedly our on field) success, or did all this merely occur on her watch?
Being American can very much be a race or ethnic. You're lack of intelligence in this area is astounding but not surprising. America is made up of many races and ethnicities.
Erm........which is why you can't say being American is a race because there are many races in America.
Or, did you find Ox's comment on her being American to be derogatory to all races in the US ?
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Dooks's lack of intelligence , it says. :rollin
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Bible Belt seppo too
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You're lack of intelligence in this area is astounding but not surprising.
That would be, "Y O U R"
You're insinuates, "You are"
Now, continue to enlighten us on the finer points of intelligence and articulation, if you will.
Ps- Are you of European decent?? ;D
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Decent or descent? :lol
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and as for the use of "insinuates"...
:lol
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You can't start a sentence with the word "and" 1965.
Furthermore, the first word of a sentence requires a capital letter for its first letter.
Failure to adhere to the latter rule to attempt to overcome the former rule is also incorrect.
You're all welcome, including those of American race and the astounded.
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Has she, or has she not, overseen the most amount of sustained on field and off field success than any other president in rrecent years? Either way, my point is this, her gender and her ethnicity seems to be brought up as a reason why she fails as a president or is not up it, not her actions or achievements.
Don't worry, those comments that called into question her position and disqualified any notion that she achieved it on merit and was the best candidate/most qualified on account of her sex/nationality were derogatory to say the least and an absolute disgrace to be honest. But you gotta let people express their vile opinions.
I'm disgusted by them for the record. :thumbsdown
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:thumbsup Dougy
Btw, i don't wish to deny them their chance to have a say but I do like to challenge it. It brings them all out.
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You can't start a sentence with the word "and" 1965.
Furthermore, the first word of a sentence requires a capital letter for its first letter.
Yes you can and no it doesn't.
:thumbsup
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This is worse than a YBB vs Yeahright stoush! :lol
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You're right.
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This is a woeful thread spurred in by scurrilous journalism.
You may have made Richo captain in his playing days which would have a similar outcome to Jack being captain.
Cotch is our most suitable captain.
End of story.
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its "end of story, clowns"
FFS, get it right!
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This is worse than a YBB vs Yeahright stoush! :lol
Why bring me into it?
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e5/22/0a/e5220a4a464b632230eac76b14a0f116.jpg)
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:thumbsup Dougy
Btw, i don't wish to deny them their chance to have a say but I do like to challenge it. It brings them all out.
Ironically it was yourself who played the race card where issues of race are clearly absent. Then you can't answer simple questions based on your own accusations and logic.
I'll ask again.
1) Did you find Ox's comment on her being American to be derogatory to all races in the US?
2) Please quantify and qualify what Peggy has specifically done herself to contribute to the off field and on field success. You are convinced she has done alot. What is this based on?
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OER's self-proclaimed academic intelligensia of Dougey & '65 pointing out Oxx's grammatical errors whilst apparently in support of GR12's assertion that Americans are a race....funny stuff...
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OER's self -proclaimed intelligensia of dougey & '65 pointing out Oxx's grammatical errors whilst apparently in support of GR12's assertion that Americans are a race....funny stuff...
If there's a lesson in all of this, it's that low intelligence and raging political correctness go hand in hand.
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Being American can very much be a race or ethnic. You're lack of intelligence in this area is astounding but not surprising. America is made up of many races and ethnicities. Just like australia. Anyway,the race i refer to is yarran, which ox has drawn attention to before and has had one poster challenge him on to which he had no courage to reply.
The hell did u just say man
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Yep. Peggy is a crapier of a president.
She's American, right?
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Racist....
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Oh god this conversation is like watching grass grow....actually its worse, I might go a stick some pins in my eyes.. :sleep
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Hang on......so our President......our President is a woman? :huh
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OER's self-proclaimed academic intelligensia of Dougey & '65 pointing out Oxx's grammatical errors whilst apparently in support of GR12's assertion that Americans are a race....funny stuff...
To be clear, I took no issue with grammatical simantics etc.
I only took umbridge at being called a leftie because I take no immediate issue with a female american being president.
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How often do presidents actually do anything anyway?
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Eddie
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stuff Costa
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Bloody Jeff...
Porky Smorgon
Gayshaw
Diamond Joe
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Good to see we are sticking to topic....this thread is so derailed its in the drink!!
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Stupid article anyway.
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Good to see we are sticking to topic....this thread is so derailed its in the drink!!
Whaaaaaat WAT?
Awesome thread, loved page 5 - it was an old fashioned shoot out.
Stuffing love the off season, if only Peg was Jewish and Gay
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Good to see we are sticking to topic....this thread is so derailed its in the drink!!
Whaaaaaat WAT?
Awesome thread, loved page 5 - it was an old fashioned shoot out.
Stuffing love the off season, if only Peg was Jewish and Gay
In before Go Richo 12 declares 'Gay' people a race.
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Good to see we are sticking to topic....this thread is so derailed its in the drink!!
In short , it's a token gesture.
The squibs will still squib.
The problem is not chimp. That's a hint.
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Good to see we are sticking to topic....this thread is so derailed its in the drink!!
Whaaaaaat WAT?
Awesome thread, loved page 5 - it was an old fashioned shoot out.
Stuffing love the off season, if only Peg was Jewish and Gay
In before Go Richo 12 declares 'Gay' people a race.
:lol
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How often do presidents actually do anything anyway?
newbold goes allright. Kennett before him. Speaks well and im sure they played a role in that $1 waverley deal
dingley to come.
I actually like the hawthorn/american model on and off the field. Once your time is up your out, fresh man comes in.
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1 dollar is poo
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The days of the captain being the be all and end all of onfield leadership is long gone. Like all other areas within footy, onfield leadership requires depth in leadership which we sadly lack. If a number of our formally appointed leaders are held then it's usually good night nurse as no one else steps up (see Elim Finals x3). Would having Jack as captain made a difference in this year's Elim. Final when he (and Rance) played well anyway yet we still lost? Nup! Would Brad Scott have changed his tactic of tagging Cotch and Lids out of the game if they weren't captain and v/capt? Nup again!
Hawthorn are successful because they ooze onfield leadership. Roughy, Burgoyne, Lewis, Birchall, Rioli, etc are just as important onfield leadership wise to them as Hodge and Mitchell. In big games and the finals that count, they don't leave it to the same few to set the gameday mode of the whole team. In another thread, I mentioned we needed our younger core who have been around 4 or so years to step up as onfield leaders for us to take the next step. Flossy would be the only one who shows leadership qualities from that group so far. That's clearly not good enough. 2016 is a massive year for our younger core.
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To call it lack of leadership is a simple explanation for a list full of introverts.
It's a lack of will within the individual.
It's nothing else
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I don't think Cotchin has the mongrel in him to be a premiership captain.
He's tough enough, brave enough, hell he's even a decent player. Just not 'unsociable' enough. You want a captain who can be dangerous without the football...
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To call it lack of leadership is a simple explanation for a list full of introverts.
It's a lack of will within the individual.
It's nothing else
Hannibal would struggle to led some of Dimmas mates
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Jack Riewoldt says Trent Cotchin is the right man to captain Richmond
JON RALPH
Herald Sun
March 6, 2016 6:00pm
JACK Riewoldt says Richmond must expand its group of on-field leaders at Punt Road, adamant Trent Cotchin is the right man to captain the Tigers.
Former Richmond assistant coach David King believes Cotchin should be replaced as captain, arguing Riewoldt is a superior leader of men.
But Riewoldt said at the Tigers family day on Sunday he would continue to act as an on-field leader despite not being in the five-man leadership group.
“There’s more commentary on that than the presidential election at the moment,” Riewoldt said.
“For us, we’ve got a really strong leadership group. My role is to continue to lead the forward line and lead outside of that group, trying to help relay the messages the leaders want to put onto the group.
“I don’t think having a title or not having a title pigeonholes you as having that respect from your peer. Certainly the group values my leadership and I value guys who aren’t in the leadership as well.”
Riewoldt had one of his finest seasons for the Tigers last year, not only improving his second efforts but also his on-field body language.
Players naturally gravitate to the star key forward, who signed a long-term deal halfway through last year to stay at the Tigers.
But he believes every Richmond player must take another step if the club is to win its first final since 2001.
Cotchin admits he is an intense, driven character who does not regularly socialise with his teammates, but he remains the club’s best leader.
“What (Cotchin) brings to our group is really strong character,’’ Riewoldt said.
“He’s improved his on-field leadership, his training, he’s his harshest critic.
“I don’t think Trent was on his own in terms of having a bad result (in last year’s elimination final loss). There are a lot of guys who would say they were poor against North Melbourne.
“You don’t just have one bloke out there dragging us over the line, it requires multiple senior players, whether they be leaders or not. We need to lead as 45 guys and that’s what the best sides do.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/jack-riewoldt-says-trent-cotchin-is-the-right-man-to-captain-richmond/news-story/14e3b5620089f2b80b784685dcfc5d73
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Riewoldt OK to be trumped in leadership 'race'
AFL website
March 6, 2016 1:26 PM
RICHMOND forward Jack Riewoldt says he doesn't need to be in the Tigers' leadership group to have the respect of his peers and he will continue to be an unofficial leader at Tigerland.
Riewoldt was again left out of Richmond's leadership group ahead of this season, despite external suggestions he should even replace Trent Cotchin as captain.
The 27-year-old has repeatedly defended Cotchin as captain and did so again on Sunday, saying he would continue happily in his role as an unofficial leader of the forward line in 2016.
"There's more commentary on that than the presidential election at the moment," Riewoldt joked.
"For us, we've got a really strong leadership group (and) my role is to continue to lead the forward line and lead outside of that group, trying to help relay the messages the leaders want to put onto the group.
"I don't think having a title or not having a title pigeon holes you as having that respect from your peers … certainly the group values my leadership and I value guys who aren't in the leadership as well."
Richmond made two changes to its leadership group in January, replacing Troy Chaplin and Steven Morris with club champion Alex Rance and Shane Edwards. Veterans Brett Deledio and Ivan Maric remain joint vice-captains.
Riewoldt said the Tigers needed more leaders from outside that group to help take the pressure off Cotchin, who was exposed to criticism because of a poor performance in the Tigers' elimination final defeat against North Melbourne.
"What he (Cotchin) brings to our group is really strong character … he's improved his on-field leadership, his training, he's his harshest critic," Riewoldt said.
"I don't think Trent was on his own in terms of having a bad result … there are a lot of guys who would say they were poor against North Melbourne.
"You don't just have one bloke out there dragging us over the line, it requires multiple senior players, whether they be leaders or not. We need to lead as 45 guys and that's what the best sides do."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-03-06/jack-riewoldt-happy-to-be-trumped-in-richmond-leadership-race
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Memo to Jon Ralph it wasnt the "Family Day" clubs isn't having one
It was open training session that only had 500 people showed up to
Big difference :snidegrin
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Cotchin must relinquish the Captaincy.
Why?
In the two weeks he's been absent, the Tigers played a better brand of football for 7 out of 8 quarters.
What was missing?
Confusion, dinky kicks to nobody, easy get stats out the back from stoppage kicks that go nowhere....
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What came back?
Confidence, Leadership, a flowing style of play, a happier, more settled team.
Guys like Miles playing their own game,
Who should be Captain?
Lids, Rance or rotate it for the remainder of the season.
Guys like Grimes, Miles, Jack, Dusty, Vlaustin, Titch, Lambert.
Give Rioli a crack once he can run a game out.
It's live development and far more bonding project than anything they have going on down there currently.
Cotchin would best serve the club and himself by standing down and getting back to being a great footballer.
That's how it is.
Discuss
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Look, the automatic instinct is to dismiss this two week data set as coincidental.
But, when you think about it in a considered and measured manner, there's certainly a fair bit of merit involved.
Questions should be asked.
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Wel about berating Cotchin.Its about fixing the problem
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Might be a case of letting the onfield leaders doing their chirping and organising and Cotch just shutting the hell up.
Then at the end of the year manage the situation and transition the leadership over.
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Sure but that's a while off.
I agree he should stfu and maybe listen.
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He has Moses complex.
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New era next year.
Chaplin, Morris, Batchelor, maybe Grigg all gone, maybe Vickery traded, Hampson gone, Conca traded, Houli traded.....
JACK CAPTAIN!
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Interesting, I think valid, a question for the gurus, Morris out, cotch in playing out of defence, leave floss in the guts, discuss?
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Been saying this for ages!
Good player, says all the right things, looks like a boy scout to the rest of the world.
Clearly can't captain for $h!+. Was a far better player beforehand. I'm not even convinced a lot of his team mates respect him all that much.
Has tried to be more damaging with his disposals in his last 2-3 games but generally doesn't hurt the opposition with or without the ball in hand.
Jack for me. Something tells me Rance would certainly not want it - bloke just wants to play footy and have some semblance of a life outside of the club.
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Interesting, I think valid, a question for the gurus, Morris out, cotch in playing out of defence, leave floss in the guts, discuss?
Mmmmmm, interesting......
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Interesting, I think valid, a question for the gurus, Morris out, cotch in playing out of defence, leave floss in the guts, discuss?
As one of the guru's I say no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no. IMO
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Interesting, I think valid, a question for the gurus, Morris out, cotch in playing out of defence, leave floss in the guts, discuss?
Cotch would get a break from the taggers if he played back pocket.
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Interesting, I think valid, a question for the gurus, Morris out, cotch in playing out of defence, leave floss in the guts, discuss?
Cotch would get a break from the taggers if he played back pocket.
Maybe not
Sometimes bak pockets/flanks get tagged
For example Geelong tagged b smith and killed Adelaide as the other hbf was out hurt
I don't mind the idea on Cotchin back. Someone's gotta play with
Rance grimes yarren
Bachelor? Astbury? Cantstandya?
Better it Cotchin than Morris or hunt ..
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Interesting, I think valid, a question for the gurus, Morris out, cotch in playing out of defence, leave floss in the guts, discuss?
Cotch would get a break from the taggers if he played back pocket.
But his disposal is so woeful we would need 24 blokes on the field to cover
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Interesting, I think valid, a question for the gurus, Morris out, cotch in playing out of defence, leave floss in the guts, discuss?
Cotch would get a break from the taggers if he played back pocket.
But his disposal is so woeful we would need 24 blokes on the field to cover
We are currently playing Morris / hunt there who are hardly laser beam kicks
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I still believe Cotchin can captain. (eg. first meeting with Collingwood and Syd last year) but like everyone else I dream of him recapturing 2012 form. For this reason, I think Lids should be captain. has been good against Hawthorn and Syd and he's running around with a <100% quad
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Look, the automatic instinct is to dismiss this two week data set as coincidental.
But, when you think about it in a considered and measured manner, there's certainly a fair bit of merit involved.
Questions should be asked.
Got belted vs hawthorn
Won when rance and grimes returned ...
What's stopping jack rance deledio and that doing leadership when Cotchin is playing?
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Good player, says all the right things, looks like a boy scout to the rest of the world.
Clearly can't captain for $h!+. Was a far better player beforehand. I'm not even convinced a lot of his team mates respect him all that much.
Interesting take especially considering the players elected him captain so it's hard to imagine the majority don't respect him
Having said IMESHO i think being captain has become detrimental to his game. And that's why I look at making a change
Though I cannot see him relinquishing it on his accord
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Big Bad Benny Griffo for captain! Every time he kicks 5, we win! :clapping
Besides, that helmet just exudes leadership! You'd have to be captain to wear a helmet like that ... :P
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Big Bad Benny Griffo for captain! Every time he kicks 5, we win! :clapping
Besides, that helmet just exudes leadership! You'd have to be captain to wear a helmet like that ... :P
Lol. Big tone would tear up his membership, never to return!! :lol
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Good player, says all the right things, looks like a boy scout to the rest of the world.
Clearly can't captain for $h!+. Was a far better player beforehand. I'm not even convinced a lot of his team mates respect him all that much.
Interesting take especially considering the players elected him captain so it's hard to imagine the majority don't respect him
Having said IMESHO i think being captain has become detrimental to his game. And that's why I look at making a change
Though I cannot see him relinquishing it on his accord
I did hear a controversial rumour that he wasn't nevessarily first pick in the off season by players but this was overruled by the coach.
Who really knows.....,
It hasn't made him a better player but then again it didn't make Chris Newman better either.,,,
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Good player, says all the right things, looks like a boy scout to the rest of the world.
Clearly can't captain for $h!+. Was a far better player beforehand. I'm not even convinced a lot of his team mates respect him all that much.
Interesting take especially considering the players elected him captain so it's hard to imagine the majority don't respect him
Having said IMESHO i think being captain has become detrimental to his game. And that's why I look at making a change
Though I cannot see him relinquishing it on his accord
I did hear a controversial rumour that he wasn't nevessarily first pick in the off season by players but this was overruled by the coach.
Who really knows.....,
It hasn't made him a better player but then again it didn't make Chris Newman better either.,,,
That sounds like hardwick
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There's no doubt in my mind that Cotch can't handle the pressure of captaincy, this was highlighted early this year when his wife chimed in with her two cents, which proves the negativity was effecting him at home. Clearly this highlights that he can't remove himself from the pressures associated with being Captain let alone being captain of a team like Richmond.
This club needs a stoic leader. Do we have one? I'm not completely sure.
I suspect that either Lids or Rance may have this quality.
Lids seems to led by example and has matured. After watching Rances interview immediately after the game there's no doubt how much he loves the club and he's rarely beaten. Either of these two are a better option the the Dinky Kick King.
Then there's Jack. He's a man possessed out on the field. Doesn't crack a smile and completely in the zone. I'd think he'd be a great captain. DUMMA said he had to fix up some "off field issues" whatever that means, but I also think Dumma is an idiot.
Anyway it's not a big deal to relinquish the captaincy. Sam Mitchell was captain from 2008-2010 and was man enough to hand over to someone who was more suited in Hodge, all this after being a premiership captain too. It hasn't done anything but better both the team and his own game ever since.
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Lids
Can still take his game to higher level
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Hmmm let's see....no Cotchin - 8 goal loss to a Hawthorn side missing Mitchell that had just been flogged the week before & a win after the siren over the Swans, who, in the previous fortnight, had to cheat to beat Brisbane by less than a kick & took over a half to shake off the Essendon rejects at home and lost Kennedy just before the match on a ground they play shyte at more often than not, with our two best defenders back, who haven't both been on the ground together since we had one win from one match and were leading Collingwood.
Yes, overwhelming & damning evidence against the captain right there.....
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Look, the automatic instinct is to dismiss this two week data set as coincidental.
But, when you think about it in a considered and measured manner, there's certainly a fair bit of merit involved.
Questions should be asked.
Got belted vs hawthorn
Won when rance and grimes returned ...
What's stopping jack rance deledio and that doing leadership when Cotchin is playing?
Not wanting to disrespect the hierarchy? Who knows
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There's no doubt in my mind that Cotch can't handle the pressure of captaincy, this was highlighted early this year when his wife chimed in with her two cents, which proves the negativity was effecting him at home. Clearly this highlights that he can't remove himself from the pressures associated with being Captain let alone being captain of a team like Richmond.
Shrewd assessment.Right.
This club needs a stoic leader. Do we have one? I'm not completely sure.
Which is why a rotational situation would be ideal.
I suspect that either Lids or Rance may have this quality.
Lids seems to led by example and has matured. After watching Rances interview immediately after the game there's no doubt how much he loves the club and he's rarely beaten. Either of these two are a better option the the Dinky Kick King.
Lids has matured. I'm not meaning as a footballer but rather a man. It's called fatherhood.
Then there's Jack. He's a man possessed out on the field. Doesn't crack a smile and completely in the zone. I'd think he'd be a great captain. DUMMA said he had to fix up some "off field issues" whatever that means, but I also think Dumma is an idiot.
Lol. Dimmer is an idiot.
I think Jack is best left to pretend he is the captain out there.
Anyway it's not a big deal to relinquish the captaincy. Sam Mitchell was captain from 2008-2010 and was man enough to hand over to someone who was more suited in Hodge, all this after being a premiership captain too. It hasn't done anything but better both the team and his own game ever since.
I would back Cotchin to be as much a man as Mitchell was in his instance.
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Interesting, I think valid, a question for the gurus, Morris out, cotch in playing out of defence, leave floss in the guts, discuss?
Cotch would get a break from the taggers if he played back pocket.
Or we could just make our midfield even stronger by having them both in there....with the worst case scenario being that one gets a free run while the other is tagged....
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Good player, says all the right things, looks like a boy scout to the rest of the world.
Clearly can't captain for $h!+. Was a far better player beforehand. I'm not even convinced a lot of his team mates respect him all that much.
Interesting take especially considering the players elected him captain so it's hard to imagine the majority don't respect him
Having said IMESHO i think being captain has become detrimental to his game. And that's why I look at making a change
Though I cannot see him relinquishing it on his accord
I did hear a controversial rumour that he wasn't nevessarily first pick in the off season by players but this was overruled by the coach.
Who really knows.....,
It hasn't made him a better player but then again it didn't make Chris Newman better either.,,,
Well ill just say this. Players were given votes 3,2,1 and by lower increments Cotch (just) won.
Its always been fractured
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What's stopping jack rance deledio and that doing leadership when Cotchin is playing?
Obviously the presence of one man.
Having said that, Rance is always on
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If Towers looks to his right with 50 seconds to go, this thread doesn't even get thought of and the posts in the Lloyd thread are far less complimentary about his game as a whole....... :shh
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Interesting, I think valid, a question for the gurus, Morris out, cotch in playing out of defence, leave floss in the guts, discuss?
Cotch would get a break from the taggers if he played back pocket.
Or we could just make our midfield even stronger by having them both in there....with the worst case scenario being that one gets a free run while the other is tagged....
Miles or martin to the backline then?
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Why do any of them have to go back there when Cotchin returns?
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I think you can only play 3 at once
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Vlaustin in the guts for sure. Should play at least the first qtr and a half there.
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If Towers looks to his right with 50 seconds to go, this thread doesn't even get thought of and the posts in the Lloyd thread are far less complimentary about his game as a whole....... :shh
They'd have still played 7 qtrs of better football without Trent.
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I think you can only play 3 at once
Depends on your set up , rotations, changes...out of Martin, Edwards, Vlastuin, Cotchin & Miles, possibly only Miles can't move to the outside...and still have one spot for another outside mid in the 6 man midfield....Lambert comes back we finally have a full two rotations of inside mids of decent quality (if Lambert can repeat the Foley-esque efforts of the Carlton second half) to mix and match...even with just 5 good inside mids that'd be more than we've had for years.....
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If Towers looks to his right with 50 seconds to go, this thread doesn't even get thought of and the posts in the Lloyd thread are far less complimentary about his game as a whole....... :shh
They'd have still played 7 qtrs of better football without Trent.
But we'd have lost and it would have been two games in a row where we were right in it and unable to get over the line. Instead we snuck away with one win
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If Towers looks to his right with 50 seconds to go, this thread doesn't even get thought of and the posts in the Lloyd thread are far less complimentary about his game as a whole....... :shh
They'd have still played 7 qtrs of better football without Trent.
Meh.... can't be arsed typing it twice....
Hmmm let's see....no Cotchin - 8 goal loss to a Hawthorn side minus Mitchell that had just been flogged the week before & a win after the siren over the Swans, who, in the previous fortnight, had to cheat to beat Brisbane by less than a kick & took over a half to shake off the Essendon rejects at home and lost Kennedy just before the match on a ground they play shyte at more often than not, with our two best defenders back, who haven't both been on the ground together since we had one win from one match and were leading Collingwood.
Yes, overwhelming & damning evidence against the captain right there.....
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Whilst I don't think Cotch is a great captain, we did win 15 games last year with him at the helm.
Does everybody just ignore 2015 and blame him for our 2016 woes?
I don't think the club would ever entertain changing captaincy mid season so this thread is probably extremely hypothetical.
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Whilst I don't think Cotch is a great captain, we did win 15 games last year with him at the helm.
Does everybody just ignore 2015 and blame him for our 2016 woes?
I don't think the club would ever entertain changing captaincy mid season so this thread is probably extremely hypothetical.
Hawks did it, why can't we? He can't handle the pressure just ask his wife.
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Yes with a team under his captaincy that has at various stages contained the likes of Chaplin, Grigg, Houli, Morris, B.Ellis, Vickery, Hamspud, Hunt, one game wonderboy Griffiths, Batchelor, Conca, Newman, Townsend, A.Moore, Thomarse, Petterd, A.Edwards, Gordon, McGuane, Derrickx, Hackson, Lonergan, hasn't really had a ruckman for at least two years and is coached by a mong ........let's blame Trent Cotchin.....
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Whilst I don't think Cotch is a great captain, we did win 15 games last year with him at the helm.
Does everybody just ignore 2015 and blame him for our 2016 woes?
I don't think the club would ever entertain changing captaincy mid season so this thread is probably extremely hypothetical.
On the contrary, I think many aren't ignoring 2015, his performance in the Elim final is still a major discussion point ;D
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I think he will benefit majorly playing in a better team. We seem to have improved the last few weeks. Highly doubt that's because he isn't in the team.
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Whilst I don't think Cotch is a great captain, we did win 15 games last year with him at the helm.
Does everybody just ignore 2015 and blame him for our 2016 woes?
I don't think the club would ever entertain changing captaincy mid season so this thread is probably extremely hypothetical.
On the contrary, I think many are ignoring 2015, his performance in the Elim final sis still a major discussion point ;D
Well, if that is the yardstick then, that counts Lids out as well. He was hopeless in the EF. :whistle
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I will stick up for the Captain.
I thought he battled hard earlier in the year with minimal support. I admired his efforts against West Coast when the entire team was getting pulverized.
He played some wonderful inspiring "captains" football last year.
He has been elected by his peers ( although the good stuff of OER seem to know better )
My only gripe is his kicking for goal .....has become extremely unreliable.
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Yes with a team under his captaincy that has at various stages contained the likes of Chaplin, Grigg, Houli, Morris, B.Ellis, Vickery, Hamspud, Hunt, one game wonderboy Griffiths, Batchelor, Conca, Newman, Townsend, A.Moore, Thomarse, Petterd, A.Edwards, Gordon, McGuane, Derrickx, Hackson, Lonergan, hasn't really had a ruckman for at least two years and is coached by a mong ........let's blame Trent Cotchin.....
Please refrain from listing those players ever again. It makes me sad...
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Whilst I don't think Cotch is a great captain, we did win 15 games last year with him at the helm.
Does everybody just ignore 2015 and blame him for our 2016 woes?
I don't think the club would ever entertain changing captaincy mid season so this thread is probably extremely hypothetical.
Hawks did it, why can't we? He can't handle the pressure just ask his wife.
Yeh, ask Mary Magdeline.
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Yes with a team under his captaincy that has at various stages contained the likes of Chaplin, Grigg, Houli, Morris, B.Ellis, Vickery, Hamspud, Hunt, one game wonderboy Griffiths, Batchelor, Conca, Newman, Townsend, A.Moore, Thomarse, Petterd, A.Edwards, Gordon, McGuane, Derrickx, Hackson, Lonergan, hasn't really had a ruckman for at least two years and is coached by a mong ........let's blame Trent Cotchin.....
Please refrain from listing those players ever again. It makes me sad...
Yes, because it's their fault collectively that he kicks like a wacko dog, turns it over by hand and believes Geez will fix it.
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Yes with a team under his captaincy that has at various stages contained the likes of Chaplin, Grigg, Houli, Morris, B.Ellis, Vickery, Hamspud, Hunt, one game wonderboy Griffiths, Batchelor, Conca, Newman, Townsend, A.Moore, Thomarse, Petterd, A.Edwards, Gordon, McGuane, Derrickx, Hackson, Lonergan, hasn't really had a ruckman for at least two years and is coached by a mong ........let's blame Trent Cotchin.....
Please refrain from listing those players ever again. It makes me sad...
Yes, because it's their fault collectively that he kicks like a wacko dog, turns it over by hand and believes Geez will fix it.
are they cotchins fault ?
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Yes with a team under his captaincy that has at various stages contained the likes of Chaplin, Grigg, Houli, Morris, B.Ellis, Vickery, Hamspud, Hunt, one game wonderboy Griffiths, Batchelor, Conca, Newman, Townsend, A.Moore, Thomarse, Petterd, A.Edwards, Gordon, McGuane, Derrickx, Hackson, Lonergan, hasn't really had a ruckman for at least two years and is coached by a mong ........let's blame Trent Cotchin.....
Please refrain from listing those players ever again. It makes me sad...
Yes, because it's their fault collectively that he kicks like a wacko dog, turns it over by hand and believes Geez will fix it.
Its also collectively their fault he had 8 posessions in the EF in 2015 and kicked against the wind in EF 2014.
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Captain Jack (Sparrow).. ;D
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Whilst I don't think Cotch is a great captain, we did win 15 games last year with him at the helm.
Its true. But how many losses did we have without Deledio playing but with Cotchin leading? We were poor at the start of the last two seasons and the common factor was the absence of Deledio.
Deledio makes the players around him play better. He actually provides leadership. He also leads by example. You don't see him running hard to get cheap possessions and then cruising when he gets the ball and playing hot potato. Deledio would be a miles better captain. You swap him and Cotchin last week and the swans would have pumped us.
The leadership group is a euphemism for Hardwick's captain calls. It was a captain's call by Hardwick that Cotchin got the job just as it was a captain's call by Hardwick that Jack was kicked out of the leadership group for openly questioning his moronic game plan.
As to Cotchin's performance, like Morris, he really has struggled from not being able to dive into peoples legs for free kicks. He is still adapting to having to win the ball honestly and not having it gifted to him. His poor disposal and decision making makes his team mates reluctant to give it to him but they are being forced to. He can be a good player when he goes hard. He just doesn't go hard often enough. He needs to harden up. He is no captain though. Last three final's series proved that. Soft when it counts.
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Yes with a team under his captaincy that has at various stages contained the likes of Chaplin, Grigg, Houli, Morris, B.Ellis, Vickery, Hamspud, Hunt, one game wonderboy Griffiths, Batchelor, Conca, Newman, Townsend, A.Moore, Thomarse, Petterd, A.Edwards, Gordon, McGuane, Derrickx, Hackson, Lonergan, hasn't really had a ruckman for at least two years and is coached by a mong ........let's blame Trent Cotchin.....
Please refrain from listing those players ever again. It makes me sad...
Yes, because it's their fault collectively that he kicks like a wacko dog, turns it over by hand and believes Geez will fix it.
No, it just saddens me seeing the amount of duds we have picked up in such a short period of time
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Whilst I don't think Cotch is a great captain, we did win 15 games last year with him at the helm.
Its true. But how many losses did we have without Deledio playing but with Cotchin leading? We were poor at the start of the last two seasons and the common factor was the absence of Deledio.
Deledio makes the players around him play better. He actually provides leadership. He also leads by example. You don't see him running hard to get cheap possessions and then cruising when he gets the ball and playing hot potato. Deledio would be a miles better captain. You swap him and Cotchin last week and the swans would have pumped us.
The leadership group is a euphemism for Hardwick's captain calls. It was a captain's call by Hardwick that Cotchin got the job just as it was a captain's call by Hardwick that Jack was kicked out of the leadership group for openly questioning his moronic game plan.
As to Cotchin's performance, like Morris, he really has struggled from not being able to dive into peoples legs for free kicks. He is still adapting to having to win the ball honestly and not having it gifted to him. His poor disposal and decision making makes his team mates reluctant to give it to him but they are being forced to. He can be a good player when he goes hard. He just doesn't go hard often enough. He needs to harden up. He is no captain though. Last three final's series proved that. Soft when it counts.
How has Deledio performed in the last three EF?
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Exactly the same.
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Fair enough. Given Theyve both been the same,
Who's played better in the home and away seasons?
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Actually in finals, it's Cotchin 1/3 - Deledio 0/3. :shh
Cotchin, Maric, Vlastuin, Rance, Riewoldt - all ahead of Deledio on that criteria. :shh :shh
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You don't see him running hard to get cheap possessions
Agree with some of the post, but this part gets me.
If you have to work hard to get it, why is it a cheap possession?
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Whilst I don't think Cotch is a great captain, we did win 15 games last year with him at the helm.
Does everybody just ignore 2015 and blame him for our 2016 woes?
I don't think the club would ever entertain changing captaincy mid season so this thread is probably extremely hypothetical.
On the contrary, I think many are ignoring 2015, his performance in the Elim final sis still a major discussion point ;D
Well, if that is the yardstick then, that counts Lids out as well. He was hopeless in the EF. :whistle
I guess thats it then. Vickery should be captain.
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Whilst I don't think Cotch is a great captain, we did win 15 games last year with him at the helm.
Does everybody just ignore 2015 and blame him for our 2016 woes?
I don't think the club would ever entertain changing captaincy mid season so this thread is probably extremely hypothetical.
On the contrary, I think many are ignoring 2015, his performance in the Elim final sis still a major discussion point ;D
Well, if that is the yardstick then, that counts Lids out as well. He was hopeless in the EF. :whistle
I guess thats it then. Vickery should be captain.
Nope, that would count Vickery out as well....
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Reiwoldt's probably the only one who has consistently given it a crack in the finals
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Reiwoldt's probably the only one who has consistently given it a crack in the finals
Yeah but Reiwoldt has to take a fair bit of the blame for Cotchins finals performances. So that rules him out.
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::) don't be so precious
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Exactly the same.
Performance was similar in the first final against Carlton whereby Richmond played a half.
But the last two finals have not been remotely similar.
Deledio:
North: 10k 7h - 1 goal. 17 Disposals. 3rd highest Richmond player.
Port: 12k 17h - 1 goal. 29 Disposals. Highest ranked player for either side in this match.
Cotchin:
North 3k 6h 9 Disposals. Ranked 39.
Port: 9k 7h. 16 Disposals Ranked 31.
Factor in that one of Deledio's possessions is worth 3 of Cotchin's sideways running, chip chip kicks and hospital handballs and the gap widens.
Cotchin is just another of Hardwick's sycophants. There can be no other explanation for him being given the captaincy before he was ready and then keeping it while he has continued to fail to perform when it matters and he continues to pick and choose when he will have a crack.
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Deledio might have had 17 possessions against North but they had no influence on the contest at all. He even missed short easy targets.
Cotchin was ranked 3rd best on ground against Carlton in SC and DT from memory.
I'm not saying Cotch is a good captain but both he and Lids have similar performances in finals overall. Also neither deals well with a tag.
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that's not entirely true. Kane Cornes tried to tag Deledio a couple of years ago and Lids ran rings around him ;)
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On field on only half the job of a captain, and few of us (if any) can comment for Cotchins off field efforts, but from what I understand he's head and shoulders above Lids.
Jack is probably the only other candidate for mine at the moment, and honestly I think it might suit Jack better. He's actually got a great head on his shoulders, very intelligent and insightful. My question is, would the boys play for him?
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that's not entirely true. Kane Cornes tried to tag Deledio a couple of years ago and Lids ran rings around him ;)
Unfortunately the fact that you remember it tells us all he fails most times when being tagged. Lids has been a jet but most coaches know if you put a hard tag on him he crumbles like a biscuit.
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true ^^ which is why Ive always felt his best position is HF, as a leadup/hitup mobile fwd hes almost unstoppable and a lot more damaging to boot. Can get tagged out of games too easily in midfield and even at HB
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I don't get this talk about players not coping well with a hard tag. We saw it tonight, Sam Mitchell was crap tonight with Tom Mitchell as a hard tag. Cotchin struggles also. Lenny Hayes in the GF got pantsed when Bartel tagged him. Dangerfield got tagged by Vince last year and he struggled also. Selwood was tagged all year last year and they missed the top 8
The reality is most players can't cope with a hard tag. Seriously in recent times probably Pendlebury, Ablett, and Judd are the only players who can break a tag.
The whole point is when one of your guns gets tagged the "untagged" rises and carries the team over.
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Exactly the same.
Performance was similar in the first final against Carlton whereby Richmond played a half.
But the last two finals have not been remotely similar.
Deledio:
North: 10k 7h - 1 goal. 17 Disposals. 3rd highest Richmond player.
Port: 12k 17h - 1 goal. 29 Disposals. Highest ranked player for either side in this match.
Cotchin:
North 3k 6h 9 Disposals. Ranked 39.
Port: 9k 7h. 16 Disposals Ranked 31.
Factor in that one of Deledio's possessions is worth 3 of Cotchin's sideways running, chip chip kicks and hospital handballs and the gap widens.
Cotchin is just another of Hardwick's sycophants. There can be no other explanation for him being given the captaincy before he was ready and then keeping it while he has continued to fail to perform when it matters and he continues to pick and choose when he will have a crack.
This is how i feel about Cotch.
Thats not to say there arent other more pressing list issues. But, you know.
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I don't get this talk about players not coping well with a hard tag. We saw it tonight, Sam Mitchell was crap tonight with Tom Mitchell as a hard tag. Cotchin struggles also. Lenny Hayes in the GF got pantsed when Bartel tagged him. Dangerfield got tagged by Vince last year and he struggled also. Selwood was tagged all year last year and they missed the top 8
The reality is most players can't cope with a hard tag. Seriously in recent times probably Pendlebury, Ablett, and Judd are the only players who can break a tag.
The whole point is when one of your guns gets tagged the "untagged" rises and carries the team over.
Notice how you have to think of specific times it did work for all those players? It's because most of the time it doesn't work. But for Deledio instead we find ourselves thinking of specific times it didn't
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Cotch was excellent tonight.
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:clapping
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Quite a few silly looking people tonight
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Led like a true leader
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Cotchin back with a bang
Skipper Trent Cotchin illustrated just how important he is for Richmond with an outstanding return. In his comeback from a two-week layoff after fracturing his cheekbone in round six, Cotchin gathered a career-high 39 disposals, including 18 contested possessions, and 10 clearances. Donning a black protective helmet, the 26-year-old provided a touch of class and shone amid the shocking conditions to be best on ground. He turned it on with a wonderful third quarter in which he had 14 disposals as Fremantle launched a challenge with the breeze at their backs.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-05-21/five-talking-points-fremantle-v-richmond
Trent Cotchin is tough. The Richmond skipper has copped plenty of criticism this year. But if ever there was a game for him to be cautious it was in a wet and windy game when he was still recovering from a fractured cheekbone. Cotchin wore a helmet and put his head over the ball. He finished with 39 disposals and seven tackles.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/afl/a/31667118/five-things-we-learnt-tigers/
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Quite a few silly looking people tonight
Plenty of silly posters here
They will be screaming for Ivan to be brought back in next week 😉😜
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Cotch had a good game. Lets see if he backs it up in the next few.
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Quite a few silly looking people tonight
Plenty of silly posters here
They will be screaming for Ivan to be brought back in next week 😉😜
Funny Jack for memory you've been critical of him being captain over time :huh3
Thought he was very good last evening but that must be yhe norm and sadly it isnt always
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Quite a few silly looking people tonight
Plenty of silly posters here
They will be screaming for Ivan to be brought back in next week 😉😜
Funny Jack for memory you've been critical of him being captain over time :huh3
Thought he was very good last evening but that must be yhe norm and sadly it isnt always
39 touches must be the norm....if he wants to be goat.
Its one thing to say he was not good enough in Elim finals, but to expect 40 touches a game is totally unfair.
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Better than the first 7 weeks but whoops Doo.
He still promotes a poo brand of football in the guts and can't kick for poo.
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GOAT
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Quite a few silly looking people tonight
Plenty of silly posters here
They will be screaming for Ivan to be brought back in next week 😉😜
Funny Jack for memory you've been critical of him being captain over time :huh3
Thought he was very good last evening but that must be yhe norm and sadly it isnt always
39 touches must be the norm....if he wants to be goat.
Its one thing to say he was not good enough in Elim finals, but to expect 40 touches a game is totally unfair.
please never quote stats on this forum, they mean nothing at all.........apparently :whistle ::)
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Quite a few silly looking people tonight
Plenty of silly posters here
They will be screaming for Ivan to be brought back in next week 😉😜
Funny Jack for memory you've been critical of him being captain over time :huh3
Thought he was very good last evening but that must be yhe norm and sadly it isnt always
Come on WP!
Just you trying to defend your comments of late on Cotch.
Cotch has had a pretty decent year to date. In our best 3 I'd say.
But getting 40 touches for anyone isn't going to be the norm.
No need to keep pushing your point as it was clearly wrong.
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Would indeed end up the greatest of all time
If he plays like that weekly
High expectations some people.
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A captain is only as good as the team mates who believe & play for him. If they play as a team it don't matter who is the captain.
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Quite a few silly looking people tonight
Plenty of silly posters here
They will be screaming for Ivan to be brought back in next week 😉😜
Funny Jack for memory you've been critical of him being captain over time :huh3
Thought he was very good last evening but that must be yhe norm and sadly it isnt always
I have actually
But last night he wasn't getting the cheap possessions behind the ball
Also the issue of being more " user friendly " has obviously been addressed
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Quite a few silly looking people tonight
Plenty of silly posters here
They will be screaming for Ivan to be brought back in next week 😉😜
Funny Jack for memory you've been critical of him being captain over time :huh3
Thought he was very good last evening but that must be the norm and sadly it isnt always
39 touches must be the norm....if he wants to be goat.
Its one thing to say he was not good enough in Elim finals, but to expect 40 touches a game is totally unfair.
Excuse me?
Wasnt talking about the number of possessions I was talking solely about his leadership. Which was excellent last night
Unlike the media and it seems some on here i dont get seduced by the number of possessions someone has. If I did Ellis B would be in the bests every week
Have been saying it for years it's not about quantity its about quality
So please dont twist what i posted to suit, i was talking about leadership, which is what i thought this thread was about; ccaptaincy
Come on WP!
Just you trying to defend your comments of late on Cotch.
Cotch has had a pretty decent year to date. In our best 3 I'd say.
But getting 40 touches for anyone isn't going to be the norm.
No need to keep pushing your point as it was clearly wrong.
Please refer to my response above, will repeat i am not talking about the number of possessions i was am only talking about his leadership, seeing the thread is about captaincy
As leader last night he was excellent because as Jack correclty pointed out he was not getting cheap possessions out the back.
Thats what I was iwas talking about. It needs to be the norm. Can i make it any clearer :huh
As for pushing a point, it's an opinion and I stand by it. Last time i checked we are allowed to have them and we don't have to agree with each other all the time. Doesnt mean the people are wrong just mean we disagree. Unfortunately you don't agree and you always say the other person is wrong.
But back to the topic
His leadership is at time very inconsisitent.
Last night, last year against Sydney, last year against C'wood were outstanding efforts and for this club to go forward it needs to be the norm. Or dont you see ot that way?
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Quite a few silly looking people tonight
Plenty of silly posters here
They will be screaming for Ivan to be brought back in next week 😉😜
Funny Jack for memory you've been critical of him being captain over time :huh3
Thought he was very good last evening but that must be the norm and sadly it isnt always
39 touches must be the norm....if he wants to be goat.
Its one thing to say he was not good enough in Elim finals, but to expect 40 touches a game is totally unfair.
Excuse me?
Wasnt talking about the number of possessions I was talking solely about his leadership. Which was excellent last night
Unlike the media and it seems some on here i dont get seduced by the number of possessions someone has. If I did Ellis B would be in the bests every week
Have been saying it for years it's not about quantity its about quality
So please dont twist what i posted to suit, i was talking about leadership, which is what i thought this thread was about; ccaptaincy
Twisted?
Please refer to my response above, will repeat i am not talking about the number of possessions i was am only talking about his leadership, seeing the thread is about captaincy
As leader last night he was excellent because as Jack correclty pointed out he was not getting cheap possessions out the back.
Thats what I was iwas talking about. It needs to be the norm. Can i make it any clearer :huh
As for pushing a point, it's an opinion and I stand by it. Last time i checked we are allowed to have them and we don't have to agree with each other all the time. Doesnt mean the people are wrong just mean we disagree. Unfortunately you don't agree and you always say the other person is wrong.
But back to the topic
His leadership is at time very inconsisitent.
Last night, last year against Sydney, last year against C'wood were outstanding efforts and for this club to go forward it needs to be the norm. Or dont you see ot that way?
And pray tell, what is your measuring stick for quality captaincy? (underlined quote focuses qualifier on possession, which contradicts thesis of quote)
You've admonished him for inconsistency, but begged that arguably 3 of the most outstanding captains games played by any captain for this club in the last 30 years must become the NORM??
Righto mate....
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Quite a few silly looking people tonight
Plenty of silly posters here
They will be screaming for Ivan to be brought back in next week 😉😜
Funny Jack for memory you've been critical of him being captain over time :huh3
Thought he was very good last evening but that must be the norm and sadly it isnt always
39 touches must be the norm....if he wants to be goat.
Its one thing to say he was not good enough in Elim finals, but to expect 40 touches a game is totally unfair.
Excuse me?
Wasnt talking about the number of possessions I was talking solely about his leadership. Which was excellent last night
Unlike the media and it seems some on here i dont get seduced by the number of possessions someone has. If I did Ellis B would be in the bests every week
Have been saying it for years it's not about quantity its about quality
So please dont twist what i posted to suit, i was talking about leadership, which is what i thought this thread was about; ccaptaincy
Twisted?
Yep you jumped on the number of posssions suggestong i was saying 39 possessions needed to be the norm.
When i made no reference to the number of possessions he had
As i said last time I checked this thread was/is about his captaincy not the number of kicks he gets or handballs he has in a game and that was the only thing i was referring to.
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And pray tell, what is your measuring stick for quality captaincy? (underlined quote focuses qualifier on possession, which contradicts thesis of quote)
None of your underlined quotes actually back up what you are trying to say :lol
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And pray tell, what is your measuring stick for quality captaincy? (underlined quote focuses qualifier on possession, which contradicts thesis of quote)
You've admonished him for inconsistency, but begged that arguably 3 of the most outstanding captains games played by any captain for this club in the last 30 years must become the NORM??
Righto mate....
Thanks I don't need to again highlight what I think quality leadership is about because you have repeated what I've already said focused on what he needs to do more of. ::)
Unless of course you want more of the Elim Finals (2014 & 2015) and C'wood rd 2 this year as the norm?
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If Cotchin does leadership to the same standard every game.
As apparently is the required standard. He will finish the sports greatest player.
High expectations.
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If Cotchin does leadership to the same standard every game.
As apparently is the required standard. He will finish the sports greatest player.
High expectations.
Not only every game but also needs to do it for every kick to kick in the park as well
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Cotchin understood wife's motive
Daniel Cherny
The Age
23 May 2016
Richmond captain Trent Cotchin has opened up about the controversial public comments about his wife Brooke, noting that "criticism doesn't just affect the people it's said about, it's the people that care about them as well".
Brooke leapt to her husband's defence following the Tigers' round four loss to West Coast, questioning his detractors on Instagram.
"Every week you go out and and give your all. To have to listen to constant criticism you have had to put up with especially of late has been incredibly hard," Brooke wrote.
She later followed up those comments with a newspaper interview.
Cotchin said he understood why Brooke had acted as she did.
"I think she just sees what other people are saying or thinking outside of our four walls, and then obviously our family and friends," he told Channel Nine on Sunday.
"But the reality is criticism doesn't just affect the people it's said about, it's the people that care about them as well."
Cotchin returned from a broken cheekbone to star in Richmond's 38-point win over Fremantle at Domain Stadium on Saturday night. Donning a helmet, the midfielder continued his strong season, accumulating 39 disposals as the Tigers continued their mini-resurgence, winning their second successive game. Damien Hardwick's side is now 3-6 ahead of next weekend's Dreamtime clash with Essendon.
Cotchin had come under heavy scrutiny over the season's first month, as Richmond struggled to meet pre-season expectations.
While acknowledging that some of the criticism stung, he said he had strived to focus on his football.
"It's more about how much of it you allow to affect you. Obviously it's not nice having negative things said about you, but the reality is there's so many people out there that have opinions and need to write pieces whether it's in the paper or on media channels, or just the general public as well. They start to jump on board and believe what's written and said.
"The challenge for me was to keep my head, make sure to continue doing what I knew my strengths were for our football club."
Cotchin was unperturbed by having to wear a helmet for another couple of weeks. So long as he is playing and Richmond are winning, the skipper will be happy.
"It was fantastic to taste that winning feeling.
"The message for us as a group is that we're working at playing four quarters of competitive footy week in, week out."
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/richmond-captain-trent-cotchin-says-he-understood-why-his-wife-brooke-went-public-20160522-gp0uop.html
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Brandon Ellis saved special praise for Tigers' skipper Trent Cotchin, who shone on his first game back from a two-week injury lay-off.
Cotchin gathered a career-high 39 disposals in a best-on-ground performance that also featured 18 contested possessions and 10 clearances.
The 26-year-old donned a black helmet to protect the fractured cheekbone he had surgery to repair after round six.
"He's amazing. That's why he's the captain, for the way he leads our on the field and the way he puts his head over the ball," Ellis said.
"We love him as our skipper. It's just good that the other boys in the midfield could follow him tonight."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-05-22/richmonds-brandon-ellis-wary-of-essendon-in-dreamtime-at-the-g-clash
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After having watched the replay in the cold light of day, Cotchin was superb, but not absolutely perfect.
Perhaps I went a little hard at WP, however, I still maintain you were way off expecting that sort of "captains" performance every week.
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After having watched the replay in the cold light of day, Cotchin was superb, but not absolutely perfect.
Perhaps I went a little hard at WP, however, I still maintain you were way off expecting that sort of "captains" performance every week.
I didn't mind what WP had to say. From a leadership perspective, you shouldn't expect anything less. The captain has to be driving the standard for other players to follow. When your "leader" is relying on his teammates to get cheap possessions because he can't get his own, and then butchering it when he does, it doesn't send a great message.
His teammates are so worried about him now that they hold up the ball to try to get him into the game. Its detrimental to team performance. There was one passage on the weekend when Miles had a mark within scoring range. He kicked a goal from a similar position earlier in the game. Instead of going for the goal, he went sideways to try and give it to Cotchin.
Even on the weekend, against mediocre opposition, Cotchin still butchered the ball plenty of times. You can forgive some of it because of the weather conditions but the manner in which he butchered the ball is a recurring problem. Simple handballs that missed targets by a long way. He had 3-4 possession plays because he butchered the ball so badly it kept coming back to him. From a leadership perspective, he likes to go backwards too much. It puts the whole team on the defensive.
You throw Houli turning it over into that mix and you can see how a team can quickly become shattered for confidence. It took two weeks of Deledio leading the team for Martin and Miles to hit top form and for the tigers to start taking the game on more. His teammates could really benefit from not having to worry about him so much. If he gave up the captaincy, he could focus on playing better, less selfish football.
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His teammates are so worried about him now that they hold up the ball to try to get him into the game. Its detrimental to team performance. There was one passage on the weekend when Miles had a mark within scoring range. He kicked a goal from a similar position earlier in the game. Instead of going for the goal, he went sideways to try and give it to Cotchin.
Even on the weekend, against mediocre opposition, Cotchin still butchered the ball plenty of times. You can forgive some of it because of the weather conditions but the manner in which he butchered the ball is a recurring problem. Simple handballs that missed targets by a long way. He had 3-4 possession plays because he butchered the ball so badly it kept coming back to him. From a leadership perspective, he likes to go backwards too much. It puts the whole team on the defensive.
Do you expect anyone to actually believe that dribble?
You have serious issues with Cotchin that obviously extend past his football performances, what is it?
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He's a satanist. :groucho
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Like the jesuits
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But how long can a bloke remain captain with consistent dud performances?
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But how long can a bloke remain captain with consistent dud performances?
Kane Johnson says hello
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But how long can a bloke remain captain with consistent dud performances?
Kane Johnson says hello
Newman says hello as well
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After having watched the replay in the cold light of day, Cotchin was superb, but not absolutely perfect.
Perhaps I went a little hard at WP, however, I still maintain you were way off expecting that sort of "captains" performance every week.
I didn't mind what WP had to say. From a leadership perspective, you shouldn't expect anything less. The captain has to be driving the standard for other players to follow. When your "leader" is relying on his teammates to get cheap possessions because he can't get his own, and then butchering it when he does, it doesn't send a great message.
His teammates are so worried about him now that they hold up the ball to try to get him into the game. Its detrimental to team performance. There was one passage on the weekend when Miles had a mark within scoring range. He kicked a goal from a similar position earlier in the game. Instead of going for the goal, he went sideways to try and give it to Cotchin.
Even on the weekend, against mediocre opposition, Cotchin still butchered the ball plenty of times. You can forgive some of it because of the weather conditions but the manner in which he butchered the ball is a recurring problem. Simple handballs that missed targets by a long way. He had 3-4 possession plays because he butchered the ball so badly it kept coming back to him. From a leadership perspective, he likes to go backwards too much. It puts the whole team on the defensive.
Well both coaches gave him the top votes from the game. So he couldn't have been that bad.......
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Quite a few silly looking people tonight
Plenty of silly posters here
They will be screaming for Ivan to be brought back in next week 😉😜
Funny Jack for memory you've been critical of him being captain over time :huh3
Thought he was very good last evening but that must be the norm and sadly it isnt always
39 touches must be the norm....if he wants to be goat.
Its one thing to say he was not good enough in Elim finals, but to expect 40 touches a game is totally unfair.
Excuse me?
Wasnt talking about the number of possessions I was talking solely about his leadership. Which was excellent last night
Unlike the media and it seems some on here i dont get seduced by the number of possessions someone has. If I did Ellis B would be in the bests every week
Have been saying it for years it's not about quantity its about quality
So please dont twist what i posted to suit, i was talking about leadership, which is what i thought this thread was about; ccaptaincy
Come on WP!
Just you trying to defend your comments of late on Cotch.
Cotch has had a pretty decent year to date. In our best 3 I'd say.
But getting 40 touches for anyone isn't going to be the norm.
No need to keep pushing your point as it was clearly wrong.
Please refer to my response above, will repeat i am not talking about the number of possessions i was am only talking about his leadership, seeing the thread is about captaincy
As leader last night he was excellent because as Jack correclty pointed out he was not getting cheap possessions out the back.
Thats what I was iwas talking about. It needs to be the norm. Can i make it any clearer :huh
As for pushing a point, it's an opinion and I stand by it. Last time i checked we are allowed to have them and we don't have to agree with each other all the time. Doesnt mean the people are wrong just mean we disagree. Unfortunately you don't agree and you always say the other person is wrong.
But back to the topic
His leadership is at time very inconsisitent.
Last night, last year against Sydney, last year against C'wood were outstanding efforts and for this club to go forward it needs to be the norm. Or dont you see ot that way?
WP, what would you really know about Cotchin as a leader of this footy club? There is more to it than just the two hours you watch every week.
You can bang on all you like but the 3 games you mention Cotch just happened to have a cracking game. You cannot tell me his stats don't determine whether you think he has been a good leader on the day/night. And you saying that needs to be the norm is ridiculous. Nothing wrong with wanting that but reality tells us it's not going to happen like that week in week out in such a competitive sport like AFL.
Even truely great leaders like Hodgey don't lead like what you expect of Cotch.
And yes I do think you are one of those people that get something in your head and would twist comments to try and suit your argument instead of just saying maybe I got that a bit wrong.
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WP, what would you really know about Cotchin as a leader of this footy club? There is more to it than just the two hours you watch every week.
Could ask you the same question ;D
And yes there is certainly more than the 2 hours on field every week.
I will leave it at that.
And yes I do think you are one of those people that get something in your head and would twist comments to try and suit your argument instead of just saying maybe I got that a bit wrong.
there you go again, saying I am wrong. Just because you don't agree with me doesn't mean I am wrong. You have your opinion which I don't agree with but I have never said you are wrong, we simply don't agree
I have an opinion, and it is my opinion he isn't a great captain. Think he is an outstanding player who was a better player prior to be being captain. that's my opinion, you don't agree and that's absolutely fine.
I want him to be a great captain but being a great captain as I said is more than just stats.
His game wasn't great on Saturday night because he had 39 touches, it was great because of the way he played the inside role rather standing out the back getting the cheap kicks and dinking them to someone 8 metres away. It was great because of the way he organised others, directed rather standing with hands on hips like he did at the crucial times in round 2. And actually that's what Hodge does even when he is a having a poor day, that's one of the things that makes him a good leader.
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His game wasn't great on Saturday night because he had 39 touches, it was great because of the way he played the inside role rather standing out the back getting the cheap kicks and dinking them to someone 8 metres away. It was great because of the way he organised others, directed rather standing with hands on hips like he did at the crucial times in round 2. And actually that's what Hodge does even when he is a having a poor day, that's one of the things that makes him a good leader.
Couldn't agree more with that.
No one questions Cotchin's ability to play football. He is a massive talent. That does not make him a good captain. The expectation of what a captain brings to a game is much more and it needs to be brought every week.
I wouldn't hang my hat as a Richmond supporter on a 39 possession game with a sub 60% efficiency rate against what was essentially a WAFL side. BUT for the reasons WP pointed out, he had a very good game as captain. Challenge now is to repeat that consistently against better opposition. Not the 39 possessions as a few are fixated on but the standard of performance as a leader.
Personally, I think half his problem is the coach, the stupidity of the game plan and his struggle to sell it to his teammates or even understand it himself. Its a counter-intuitive way of playing football when the players are asked to play against their instincts. Its not surprising that they crack under pressure when forced to make quick decisions. There was little pressure on the weekend.
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WP, what would you really know about Cotchin as a leader of this footy club? There is more to it than just the two hours you watch every week.
Could ask you the same question ;D
And yes there is certainly more than the 2 hours on field every week.
I will leave it at that.
And yes I do think you are one of those people that get something in your head and would twist comments to try and suit your argument instead of just saying maybe I got that a bit wrong.
there you go again, saying I am wrong. Just because you don't agree with me doesn't mean I am wrong. You have your opinion which I don't agree with but I have never said you are wrong, we simply don't agree
I have an opinion, and it is my opinion he isn't a great captain. Think he is an outstanding player who was a better player prior to be being captain. that's my opinion, you don't agree and that's absolutely fine.
I want him to be a great captain but being a great captain as I said is more than just stats.
His game wasn't great on Saturday night because he had 39 touches, it was great because of the way he played the inside role rather standing out the back getting the cheap kicks and dinking them to someone 8 metres away. It was great because of the way he organised others, directed rather standing with hands on hips like he did at the crucial times in round 2. And actually that's what Hodge does even when he is a having a poor day, that's one of the things that makes him a good leader.
His game was great the other night with 39 touches, don't kid yourself!
He was clearly best on ground and that had nothing to do with him pointing at players to get into the right positions. I know you were there and I wasn't, yada, yada, yada. The facts are he was BOG and the other games you mentioned he was too or very close to it. And you expecting that to be the "norm" is a really simple way of looking at him as a leader. In your eyes if he plays well he is a good leader but if he doesn't, he has let the side down. In fact if he misses a couple of goals and we lose you say he let the club down. Just because you are captain doesn't mean you are never going to miss sets shots on goal. Even the greats miss goals.
That's why I said there was more to him as a leader than just the 2 hours of footy HE plays.
I say I think you are wrong because that is my opinion. And like you say everyone is entitled to one. And I think you are wrong.
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His game wasn't great on Saturday night because he had 39 touches, it was great because of the way he played the inside role rather standing out the back getting the cheap kicks and dinking them to someone 8 metres away. It was great because of the way he organised others, directed rather standing with hands on hips like he did at the crucial times in round 2. And actually that's what Hodge does even when he is a having a poor day, that's one of the things that makes him a good leader.
Couldn't agree more with that.
No one questions Cotchin's ability to play football. He is a massive talent. That does not make him a good captain. The expectation of what a captain brings to a game is much more and it needs to be brought every week.
I wouldn't hang my hat as a Richmond supporter on a 39 possession game with a sub 60% efficiency rate against what was essentially a WAFL side. BUT for the reasons WP pointed out, he had a very good game as captain. Challenge now is to repeat that consistently against better opposition. Not the 39 possessions as a few are fixated on but the standard of performance as a leader.
Personally, I think half his problem is the coach, the stupidity of the game plan and his struggle to sell it to his teammates or even understand it himself. Its a counter-intuitive way of playing football when the players are asked to play against their instincts. Its not surprising that they crack under pressure when forced to make quick decisions. There was little pressure on the weekend.
Do fyfe penders gablett kick at 100% efficiency? I think not
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His game wasn't great on Saturday night because he had 39 touches, it was great because of the way he played the inside role rather standing out the back getting the cheap kicks and dinking them to someone 8 metres away. It was great because of the way he organised others, directed rather standing with hands on hips like he did at the crucial times in round 2. And actually that's what Hodge does even when he is a having a poor day, that's one of the things that makes him a good leader.
Couldn't agree more with that.
No one questions Cotchin's ability to play football. He is a massive talent. That does not make him a good captain. The expectation of what a captain brings to a game is much more and it needs to be brought every week.
I wouldn't hang my hat as a Richmond supporter on a 39 possession game with a sub 60% efficiency rate against what was essentially a WAFL side. BUT for the reasons WP pointed out, he had a very good game as captain. Challenge now is to repeat that consistently against better opposition. Not the 39 possessions as a few are fixated on but the standard of performance as a leader.
Personally, I think half his problem is the coach, the stupidity of the game plan and his struggle to sell it to his teammates or even understand it himself. Its a counter-intuitive way of playing football when the players are asked to play against their instincts. Its not surprising that they crack under pressure when forced to make quick decisions. There was little pressure on the weekend.
Do fyfe penders gablett kick at 100% efficiency? I think not
What's their disposal efficiency on dinky sideways kicks in thunderous wet conditions though?
Also, Fyfe isn't a captain, so we can't qualify his possessions against to his ability to lead.
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http://m.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/chris-yarrans-stuff.html
Tigers chief Brendon Gale strongly denied suggestions Yarran might never play for Richmond.
"My understanding was that he was progressing well through rehab," said Gale.
"He's been working with Trent Cotchin. His return may be indefinite but I certainly wouldn't say he won't be back this year."
Doing a grand job off field as well. Just ask Yarran. Oh hang on. He's not around anymore.
Cotchin is such a great captain.... Its sooo obvious.
Cant wait for his next presser when he gets to mimic Hardwick like a good little pet.
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http://m.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/chris-yarrans-stuff.html
Tigers chief Brendon Gale strongly denied suggestions Yarran might never play for Richmond.
"My understanding was that he was progressing well through rehab," said Gale.
"He's been working with Trent Cotchin. His return may be indefinite but I certainly wouldn't say he won't be back this year."
Doing a grand job off field as well. Just ask Yarran. Oh hang on. He's not around anymore.
WTF are you on about now
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His game wasn't great on Saturday night because he had 39 touches, it was great because of the way he played the inside role rather standing out the back getting the cheap kicks and dinking them to someone 8 metres away. It was great because of the way he organised others, directed rather standing with hands on hips like he did at the crucial times in round 2. And actually that's what Hodge does even when he is a having a poor day, that's one of the things that makes him a good leader.
Couldn't agree more with that.
No one questions Cotchin's ability to play football. He is a massive talent. That does not make him a good captain. The expectation of what a captain brings to a game is much more and it needs to be brought every week.
I wouldn't hang my hat as a Richmond supporter on a 39 possession game with a sub 60% efficiency rate against what was essentially a WAFL side. BUT for the reasons WP pointed out, he had a very good game as captain. Challenge now is to repeat that consistently against better opposition. Not the 39 possessions as a few are fixated on but the standard of performance as a leader.
Personally, I think half his problem is the coach, the stupidity of the game plan and his struggle to sell it to his teammates or even understand it himself. Its a counter-intuitive way of playing football when the players are asked to play against their instincts. Its not surprising that they crack under pressure when forced to make quick decisions. There was little pressure on the weekend.
Do fyfe penders gablett kick at 100% efficiency? I think not
What's their disposal efficiency on dinky sideways kicks in thunderous wet conditions though?
Also, Fyfe isn't a captain, so we can't qualify his possessions against to his ability to lead.
Which captains are a prodigious , forwards kick and have the leadership of Rommel?
Mundy ?
Murphy?
Goddard?
Jones?
Boak?
Mcveigh?
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http://m.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/chris-yarrans-stuff.html
Tigers chief Brendon Gale strongly denied suggestions Yarran might never play for Richmond.
"My understanding was that he was progressing well through rehab," said Gale.
"He's been working with Trent Cotchin. His return may be indefinite but I certainly wouldn't say he won't be back this year."
Doing a grand job off field as well. Just ask Yarran. Oh hang on. He's not around anymore.
To echo Chucky, what the actual eff?
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Which captains are a prodigious , forwards kick and have the leadership of Rommel?
Mundy ?
Murphy?
Goddard?
Jones?
Boak?
Mcveigh?
"If I had take hell, I would use the Australians to take it, and the New Zealanders to hold it."
All those guys are Australian right?
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:clapping
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His game wasn't great on Saturday night because he had 39 touches, it was great because of the way he played the inside role rather standing out the back getting the cheap kicks and dinking them to someone 8 metres away. It was great because of the way he organised others, directed rather standing with hands on hips like he did at the crucial times in round 2. And actually that's what Hodge does even when he is a having a poor day, that's one of the things that makes him a good leader.
Couldn't agree more with that.
No one questions Cotchin's ability to play football. He is a massive talent. That does not make him a good captain. The expectation of what a captain brings to a game is much more and it needs to be brought every week.
I wouldn't hang my hat as a Richmond supporter on a 39 possession game with a sub 60% efficiency rate against what was essentially a WAFL side. BUT for the reasons WP pointed out, he had a very good game as captain. Challenge now is to repeat that consistently against better opposition. Not the 39 possessions as a few are fixated on but the standard of performance as a leader.
Personally, I think half his problem is the coach, the stupidity of the game plan and his struggle to sell it to his teammates or even understand it himself. Its a counter-intuitive way of playing football when the players are asked to play against their instincts. Its not surprising that they crack under pressure when forced to make quick decisions. There was little pressure on the weekend.
Do fyfe penders gablett kick at 100% efficiency? I think not
What's their disposal efficiency on dinky sideways kicks in thunderous wet conditions though?
Also, Fyfe isn't a captain, so we can't qualify his possessions against to his ability to lead.
Is Cotchin under instruction to kick sideways by th moron coach?
In the pies game were the usually people moaned about cotchins 38 touches - he still gained 500 meters
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Which captains are a prodigious , forwards kick and have the leadership of Rommel?
Mundy ?
Murphy?
Goddard?
Jones?
Boak?
Mcveigh?
i actually think Bob Murphy is a great kick. His disposal efficiency is a lot higher than Cotchin's also. Of course Murphy isn't the in and under player that Cotchin is but the release kick from the backline which set s them up which worked really well for them before he got injured.
I think the point is everyone on this forum wants him to recapture his 2012 form. Where he had very punishing handballs forward of centre and he would always find a way to kick the ball like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NOflZ8lanc
I think Cotchin is an amazing player. I will never knock him as a player. However I personally think Lids would make a better captain.
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His game wasn't great on Saturday night because he had 39 touches, it was great because of the way he played the inside role rather standing out the back getting the cheap kicks and dinking them to someone 8 metres away. It was great because of the way he organised others, directed rather standing with hands on hips like he did at the crucial times in round 2. And actually that's what Hodge does even when he is a having a poor day, that's one of the things that makes him a good leader.
Couldn't agree more with that.
No one questions Cotchin's ability to play football. He is a massive talent. That does not make him a good captain. The expectation of what a captain brings to a game is much more and it needs to be brought every week.
I wouldn't hang my hat as a Richmond supporter on a 39 possession game with a sub 60% efficiency rate against what was essentially a WAFL side. BUT for the reasons WP pointed out, he had a very good game as captain. Challenge now is to repeat that consistently against better opposition. Not the 39 possessions as a few are fixated on but the standard of performance as a leader.
Personally, I think half his problem is the coach, the stupidity of the game plan and his struggle to sell it to his teammates or even understand it himself. Its a counter-intuitive way of playing football when the players are asked to play against their instincts. Its not surprising that they crack under pressure when forced to make quick decisions. There was little pressure on the weekend.
Do fyfe penders gablett kick at 100% efficiency? I think not
What's their disposal efficiency on dinky sideways kicks in thunderous wet conditions though?
Also, Fyfe isn't a captain, so we can't qualify his possessions against to his ability to lead.
Is Cotchin under instruction to kick sideways by th moron coach?
In the pies game were the usually people moaned about cotchins 38 touches - he still gained 500 meters
I think the point is you can gain 500 metres with 38 possessions without kicking the ball long at all. Actually, you don't even have to kick. You only need 38x13 metre handballs. I'd be happier with 28 possessions including long kicks setting up players forward of the ball. The one-two handballs don't so anything for a team trying to score a goal other than give extra stats to the players involved. Every attacking move should be linked to getting a score on the board. Great players get the ball moving by seeking out options that will ultimately lead to a goal. They open up the opposition with their disposals. Cotch just needs to concentrate on doing that and less on the possession that is a possession for just for the statistician.
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Which captains are a prodigious , forwards kick and have the leadership of Rommel?
Mundy ?
Murphy?
Goddard?
Jones?
Boak?
Mcveigh?
i actually think Bob Murphy is a great kick. His disposal efficiency is a lot higher than Cotchin's also. Of course Murphy isn't the in and under player that Cotchin is but the release kick from the backline which set s them up which worked really well for them before he got injured.
I think the point is everyone on this forum wants him to recapture his 2012 form. Where he had very punishing handballs forward of centre and he would always find a way to kick the ball like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NOflZ8lanc
I think Cotchin is an amazing player. I will never knock him as a player. However I personally think Lids would make a better captain.
Marc Murphy...
bob is a gun but he is old and broken. Chimp may well mature into a good leader too?
bob wasnt that good at cotchin current age
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His game wasn't great on Saturday night because he had 39 touches, it was great because of the way he played the inside role rather standing out the back getting the cheap kicks and dinking them to someone 8 metres away. It was great because of the way he organised others, directed rather standing with hands on hips like he did at the crucial times in round 2. And actually that's what Hodge does even when he is a having a poor day, that's one of the things that makes him a good leader.
Couldn't agree more with that.
No one questions Cotchin's ability to play football. He is a massive talent. That does not make him a good captain. The expectation of what a captain brings to a game is much more and it needs to be brought every week.
I wouldn't hang my hat as a Richmond supporter on a 39 possession game with a sub 60% efficiency rate against what was essentially a WAFL side. BUT for the reasons WP pointed out, he had a very good game as captain. Challenge now is to repeat that consistently against better opposition. Not the 39 possessions as a few are fixated on but the standard of performance as a leader.
Personally, I think half his problem is the coach, the stupidity of the game plan and his struggle to sell it to his teammates or even understand it himself. Its a counter-intuitive way of playing football when the players are asked to play against their instincts. Its not surprising that they crack under pressure when forced to make quick decisions. There was little pressure on the weekend.
Do fyfe penders gablett kick at 100% efficiency? I think not
What's their disposal efficiency on dinky sideways kicks in thunderous wet conditions though?
Also, Fyfe isn't a captain, so we can't qualify his possessions against to his ability to lead.
Is Cotchin under instruction to kick sideways by th moron coach?
In the pies game were the usually people moaned about cotchins 38 touches - he still gained 500 meters
I think the point is you can gain 500 metres with 38 possessions without kicking the ball long at all. Actually, you don't even have to kick. You only need 38x13 metre handballs. I'd be happier with 28 possessions including long kicks setting up players forward of the ball. The one-two handballs don't so anything for a team trying to score a goal other than give extra stats to the players involved. Every attacking move should be linked to getting a score on the board. Great players get the ball moving by seeking out options that will ultimately lead to a goal. They open up the opposition with their disposals. Cotch just needs to concentrate on doing that and less on the possession that is a possession for just for the statistician.
I think Cripps who everyone is fawning over is averaging 9 meters per possession
if cotchin is told to kick backwards and sideways then it doesnt really matter what youd prefer
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Which captains are a prodigious , forwards kick and have the leadership of Rommel?
Mundy ?
Murphy?
Goddard?
Jones?
Boak?
Mcveigh?
i actually think Bob Murphy is a great kick. His disposal efficiency is a lot higher than Cotchin's also. Of course Murphy isn't the in and under player that Cotchin is but the release kick from the backline which set s them up which worked really well for them before he got injured.
I think the point is everyone on this forum wants him to recapture his 2012 form. Where he had very punishing handballs forward of centre and he would always find a way to kick the ball like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NOflZ8lanc
I think Cotchin is an amazing player. I will never knock him as a player. However I personally think Lids would make a better captain.
Marc Murphy...
bob is a gun but he is old and broken. Chimp may well mature into a good leader too?
bob wasnt that good at cotchin current age
ahhh yes I forgot about the other murphy. yeah I don't particularly rate him and yes I don't think his kicking has been particularly crash hot other than his 2011 season.
McVeigh was pretty handy tonight but he has the luxury of having a Kennedy, Mitchell and Hannerbery to get their hands dirty and extract the contested ball
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team started winning when he was out
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Ah yes who can ever forget that magnificent one match winning streak we went on during his two match absence...
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;D
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Ah yes who can ever forget that magnificent one match winning streak we went on during his two match absence...
The team showed a lot in the honourable seven goal lose
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Ah yes who can ever forget that magnificent one match winning streak we went on during his two match absence...
It must have been Houli and/or McIntosh holding us back :shh
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Ah yes who can ever forget that magnificent one match winning streak we went on during his two match absence...
It must have been Houli and/or McIntosh holding us back :shh
The former has been a liability this year (and others)....
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Our better performances has coincided with Astbury being dropped and Chaplin moving back to a permanent fixture of our backline. Woah
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Yeh....Not from Cotchin getting slated.
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Our better performances has coincided with Astbury being dropped and Chaplin moving back to a permanent fixture of our backline. Woah
Too many changes to really know. Martin playing inside mid, Vlastuin as an extra big bodied mid, Miles playing without injury....the list goes on.
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I personally think the club has ruined him, hopefully not to the point where his best is yet to come with the inclusion of a genuine coaching staff that know what they are doing.
I honestly think he still could been in the games elite 5.
In hindsight though the burden of captaincy wasn't good for his development for a player so young, shouldering the burden of 30+ years of mediocrity and the expectations of the most awesome & passionate supporter base in the world. Luckily he's still a very good player but I firmly believe he could've been the absolute elite of the competition if he was at a better club with a clever coaching panel. ie Geelong or Hawks. Both teams also having both the dumbest most clueless football supporters in Victoria but blessed with the unfortunate ability to be consistently successful despite the stupidity, fickleness and absence of basic football knowledge of said supporter base.
Richmond FC, ruining careers since '83. :clapping
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I've been critical of Cotch as a captain but he's had a few standout games this season now and I'm not talking possession numbers. In fairness though he's done it in games we've won. I just want to see him have a captain's game when the chips are down and we need somebody to stand up and do something inspirational. That pack mark he clunked late then to ice the game surely would have fired the boys up a bit. When you've lost momentum it's moment like that from your captain that lift everyone.
I really don't care about being wrong on these sorts of things. Calling a player out then them making you eat your hat is probably the best thing to be wrong about.
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Making a lot of posters look really foolish
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It's not that he's making posters look foolish.
That's foolish.
He's making his insipid, inconsistent performances look silly.
Get it right.
I still think he over officiates as evident early in the first when he called for the
Give from Griffiths, who could have landed the ball in the square, and ended up turning it over.
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Not a good captain but a good player.
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Sometimes.
Capable.
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Making a lot of posters look really foolish
WP for one.
But I'm sure he will have something really intelligent to say. :wallywink
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Making a lot of posters look really foolish
WP for one.
But I'm sure he will have something really intelligent to say. :wallywink
Didn't he actually mean his criticisms were regarding the way he ties his boots as a captain?
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Making a lot of posters look really foolish
WP for one.
But I'm sure he will have something really intelligent to say. :wallywink
Why? And another cheapshot I see. Can't help yourself can you :wallywink
He had less possessions last than the week before but his game was just as good. Thought he was excellent again last night. Backed up a great captains game with another one
Which actually highlights my point from the week before that you clearly didn't or perhaps refuse to acknowledge and that was his game last week wasn't great just because he had 39 possessions it was the influence he had on those around him which was happened again last night.
Get it? He had less possessions but just as much influence as a leader, as i said great game.
So go ahead, take a few more cheap sgots from the cheap seats while i go and tie my shoe laces :wallywink
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Making a lot of posters look really foolish
WP for one.
But I'm sure he will have something really intelligent to say. :wallywink
Didn't he actually mean his criticisms were regarding the way he ties his boots as a captain?
Wp reckons chimp is Sposed to do enough leadership
To magically make Hampson grigg Chaplin Morris and co stop being hacks come elimination finals
Come on Cotchin
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Would've won by more if Deledio was captain....
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Making a lot of posters look really foolish
WP for one.
But I'm sure he will have something really intelligent to say. :wallywink
Why? And another cheapshot I see. Can't help yourself can you :wallywink
He had less possessions last than the week before but his game was just as good. Thought he was excellent again last night. Backed up a great captains game with another one
Which actually highlights my point from the week before that you clearly didn't or perhaps refuse to acknowledge and that was his game last week wasn't great just because he had 39 possessions it was the influence he had on those around him which was happened again last night.
Get it? He had less possessions but just as much influence as a leader, as i said great game.
So go ahead, take a few more cheap sgots from the cheap seats while i go and tie my shoe laces :wallywink
WP with respect that's not true. You're point was that Cotchins incredible game last night needs to be the "norm". That's what I think we're rolling our eyes at. He was excellent last week, very good last week (regarding his indivdual game at least). But to expect a dominant performance of that standard every week seems ridiculous.
Or are we talking about captaincy qualifiers that none of us can quantify?
Funny Jack for memory you've been critical of him being captain over time :huh3
Thought he was very good last evening but that must be yhe norm and sadly it isnt always
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WP with respect that's not true. You're point was that Cotchins incredible game last night needs to be the "norm". That's what I think we're rolling our eyes at. He was excellent last week, very good last week (regarding his indivdual game at least). But to expect a dominant performance of that standard every week seems ridiculous.
Or are we talking about captaincy qualifiers that none of us can quantify?
Funny Jack for memory you've been critical of him being captain over time :huh3
Thought he was very good last evening but that must be yhe norm and sadly it isnt always
With respect
Is this thread about his captaincy or how many possessions he gets?
I made it very very clear that my comments last week were about leadership not the number of possessions he got.
I thought his game last week was excellent not because he had 39 possessions but how he went about getting them, how he led. I said it needs to be the norm, not the number of possesssions but the example he set, how he got the possessions.
Seriously which part of that havent i made clear enough?
You and others continue to focus on the number of posessions. IMHESHO being a leader involves more than how many kicks and handballs. If you dont think so then great but sorry i do
For an example Suggest people have a look at a small passage of play from last weeks game on the outer wing in the 3rd or 4th qtr where he got to 3 contest, it was fantastic, didnt register sny possession but what an example to his team mates. Thats the stuff i was talkng about.
Thats what i think should be the norm, not getting 30+ possesssions every week. Because I don't think anyone can do that. But setting the example, getting to the contest rather waiting for the cheapies out the back, he can do that every week and yeah that should be the norm because we he does that we win more than we lose
He repeated it this week and i am rapt. It was great to see.
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The helmet has given him more confidence to go in and get the hard ball.
Maybe they should give them out to few of his team mates....... :whistle
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He's a star. Posters got their knickers tied up with their ego.
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Our better performances has coincided with Astbury being dropped and Chaplin moving back to a permanent fixture of our backline. Woah
Too many changes to really know. Martin playing inside mid, Vlastuin as an extra big bodied mid, Miles playing without injury....the list goes on.
Yep, exactly what I was alluding to. Funny that he's come back in and we aren't losing again? But lets keep that between you and me :shh
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Why? And another cheapshot I see. Can't help yourself can you :wallywink
He had less possessions last than the week before but his game was just as good. Thought he was excellent again last night. Backed up a great captains game with another one
Which actually highlights my point from the week before that you clearly didn't or perhaps refuse to acknowledge and that was his game last week wasn't great just because he had 39 possessions it was the influence he had on those around him which was happened again last night.
Get it? He had less possessions but just as much influence as a leader, as i said great game.
So go ahead, take a few more cheap sgots from the cheap seats while i go and tie my shoe laces :wallywink
WP with respect that's not true. You're point was that Cotchins incredible game last night needs to be the "norm". That's what I think we're rolling our eyes at. He was excellent last week, very good last week (regarding his indivdual game at least). But to expect a dominant performance of that standard every week seems ridiculous.
Or are we talking about captaincy qualifiers that none of us can quantify?
Funny Jack for memory you've been critical of him being captain over time :huh3
Thought he was very good last evening but that must be yhe norm and sadly it isnt always
Come on Dougey surely you aren't that ignorant to not even register what WP has being saying? He's made it abundantly clear it wasn't about the possessions. FMD if you didn't get it by then you aren't going to get it now.
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Making a lot of posters look really foolish
WP for one.
But I'm sure he will have something really intelligent to say. :wallywink
Why? And another cheapshot I see. Can't help yourself can you :wallywink
He had less possessions last than the week before but his game was just as good. Thought he was excellent again last night. Backed up a great captains game with another one
Which actually highlights my point from the week before that you clearly didn't or perhaps refuse to acknowledge and that was his game last week wasn't great just because he had 39 possessions it was the influence he had on those around him which was happened again last night.
Get it? He had less possessions but just as much influence as a leader, as i said great game.
So go ahead, take a few more cheap sgots from the cheap seats while i go and tie my shoe laces :wallywink
Hardly a cheap shot.
I think in this thread you are talking crap and the more you talk the smellier it gets.
Try owning what you said and stop trying to twist it so you don't look stupid.
How can you possibly say the 39 touches of the footy last week weren't the reason he played an excellent game. The other stuff you are talking about he does every week, the difference is he doesn't always get 39 and we don't always win. The only thing that is different in those occasions is your thinking.
I don't think his hardness at the footy or his effort can ever be questioned, ever. Not in the entire time he has been at the club.
That's what leadership is, leading from the front. He may not always be BOG and he may miss a goal here and there. But effort and hardness can never be questioned.
Is there any other player at our club that is as hard at the contest and gives a better effort than Cotch?... Maybe Rance would be his equal but that is it.
Anyway it seems you and I are miles apart on this one and I'm sure you'll be the first to jump on him when we lose the next close game.
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Why? And another cheapshot I see. Can't help yourself can you :wallywink
He had less possessions last than the week before but his game was just as good. Thought he was excellent again last night. Backed up a great captains game with another one
Which actually highlights my point from the week before that you clearly didn't or perhaps refuse to acknowledge and that was his game last week wasn't great just because he had 39 possessions it was the influence he had on those around him which was happened again last night.
Get it? He had less possessions but just as much influence as a leader, as i said great game.
So go ahead, take a few more cheap sgots from the cheap seats while i go and tie my shoe laces :wallywink
WP with respect that's not true. You're point was that Cotchins incredible game last night needs to be the "norm". That's what I think we're rolling our eyes at. He was excellent last week, very good last week (regarding his indivdual game at least). But to expect a dominant performance of that standard every week seems ridiculous.
Or are we talking about captaincy qualifiers that none of us can quantify?
Funny Jack for memory you've been critical of him being captain over time :huh3
Thought he was very good last evening but that must be yhe norm and sadly it isnt always
Come on Dougey surely you aren't that ignorant to not even register what WP has being saying? He's made it abundantly clear it wasn't about the possessions. FMD if you didn't get it by then you aren't going to get it now.
Hmm, well if you read that post then you'll note I made sure to point out that it WASN'T regarding possessions with my last line.
But if its NOT about possessions, then his game v North was acceptable? (6 of his 9 were contested from memory).
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It's only about possessions when he's tagged, with an injury, against a half rested team eh Wp?
Trump like
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Oh yes Stalin, Cotch is pooe, we know.
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Cotchin is good
Try pay attention
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Cotchin is good
Try pay attention
Better frame this comment!!!!!
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Cotchin is good
Try pay attention
Better frame this comment!!!!!
Print it out, mail it to his wife
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Cotchin is good
Try pay attention
Better frame this comment!!!!!
Print it out, mail it to his wife
Attic
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Hmm, well if you read that post then you'll note I made sure to point out that it WASN'T regarding possessions with my last line.
But if its NOT about possessions, then his game v North was acceptable? (6 of his 9 were contested from memory).
Your last line contradicted the whole point of the rest of your post so I chose to ignore it.
Why are you trying to quantify leadership into one statistic? There's obviously a lot people don't see so as outsiders you can never make a truly accurate opinion but surely even you can walk away from a game thinking either a) Cotch played a game that benefited and lifted the team or b) Cotch was way too selfish looking for the hand ball receives, one-twos and dinky side way kicks
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What some fail to acknowledge is, this thread was created at a time that it was justifiable.
We all know he can b a good player....and that's the point.
Oh, it's been happening for three years now, some can all crap on as much as you want about it being unwarranted.
What other captain made so many errors in so many games for so long???
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Making a lot of posters look really foolish
WP for one.
But I'm sure he will have something really intelligent to say. :wallywink
Why? And another cheapshot I see. Can't help yourself can you :wallywink
He had less possessions last than the week before but his game was just as good. Thought he was excellent again last night. Backed up a great captains game with another one
Which actually highlights my point from the week before that you clearly didn't or perhaps refuse to acknowledge and that was his game last week wasn't great just because he had 39 possessions it was the influence he had on those around him which was happened again last night.
Get it? He had less possessions but just as much influence as a leader, as i said great game.
So go ahead, take a few more cheap sgots from the cheap seats while i go and tie my shoe laces :wallywink
Hardly a cheap shot.
I think in this thread you are talking crap and the more you talk the smellier it gets.
Try owning what you said and stop trying to twist it so you don't look stupid.
How can you possibly say the 39 touches of the footy last week weren't the reason he played an excellent game. The other stuff you are talking about he does every week, the difference is he doesn't always get 39 and we don't always win. The only thing that is different in those occasions is your thinking.
I don't think his hardness at the footy or his effort can ever be questioned, ever. Not in the entire time he has been at the club.
That's what leadership is, leading from the front. He may not always be BOG and he may miss a goal here and there. But effort and hardness can never be questioned.
Is there any other player at our club that is as hard at the contest and gives a better effort than Cotch?... Maybe Rance would be his equal but that is it.
Anyway it seems you and I are miles apart on this one and I'm sure you'll be the first to jump on him when we lose the next close game.
That's a really good post
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Like that!
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Been good tonight
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Captains dream of a game
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(https://65.media.tumblr.com/25aa7c1904bdb11f2ad73cf6bcac7d06/tumblr_mfrk47JPFb1qankvno1_500.jpg)
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:lol
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It's been an absolute disgrace tonight watching Cotch bust his gut in the middle and then have to chase and pressure multiple North players on the outside because his so-called teammates can't/won't do it.
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It's been an absolute disgrace tonight watching Cotch bust his gut in the middle and then have to chase and pressure multiple North players on the outside because his so-called teammates can't/won't do it.
What a champion.
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(https://65.media.tumblr.com/25aa7c1904bdb11f2ad73cf6bcac7d06/tumblr_mfrk47JPFb1qankvno1_500.jpg)
Turkeys is appropriate, we are stuffed
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It's been an absolute disgrace tonight watching Cotch bust his gut in the middle and then have to chase and pressure multiple North players on the outside because his so-called teammates can't/won't do it.
What a champion.
Genuine or sarcasm?
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It's been an absolute disgrace tonight watching Cotch bust his gut in the middle and then have to chase and pressure multiple North players on the outside because his so-called teammates can't/won't do it.
What a champion.
Genuine or sarcasm?
Genuine. I wouldn't be sarcastic about our captain.
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Thought he was great tonight
Led from the front
But let down terribly from so many of his pathetic teammates
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It's been an absolute disgrace tonight watching Cotch bust his gut in the middle and then have to chase and pressure multiple North players on the outside because his so-called teammates can't/won't do it.
What a champion.
Genuine or sarcasm?
Genuine. I wouldn't be sarcastic about our captain.
:cheers
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He had a good game. Tried his guts out all game.
I would like to see him conquer Jacobs though and play well in a final
.... And lift the cup over his head on grand final day, which is the only thing that can vindicate this bunch of poofs after losing to the 9th place scum.
I haven't forgotten.
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Ironic that you said you'd like to see him play well in a final, then referred to the one final he actually did play well in.
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Certainly got the boys up and about tonight
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Yea it was all up to him and him alone......
...but hey if only Lids was captain...now there's a real leader...as he showed again tonight........now we all we need is to get Cousins back to push him up the race....
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Certainly got the boys up and about tonight
They certainly play for him don't they. Inspirational leader.
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Certainly got the boys up and about tonight
They certainly play for him don't they. Inspirational leader.
And there is the problem.
If any of our senior players need him to "inspire them" to play football with passion and commitment, they need to be shown the door immediately.
What a load of hogwash Dooks. Good footballers have what is called pride in their own performance. They will give multiple efforts continuously without the need of "inspiration" from the captain.
For a self proclaimed expert on this forum, you sometimes come up with very strange comments.
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Certainly got the boys up and about tonight
They certainly play for him don't they. Inspirational leader.
And there is the problem.
If any of our senior players need him to "inspire them" to play football with passion and commitment, they need to be shown the door immediately.
What a load of hogwash Dooks. Good footballers have what is called pride in their own performance. They will give multiple efforts continuously without the need of "inspiration" from the captain.
For a self proclaimed expert on this forum, you sometimes come up with very strange comments.
"Hogwash" now there's a word. :cheers
Come on Dooks, surly you jest.
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This guy has been excellent since returning from his broken cheek.
I've been a very harsh critic of him but he's playing very good, tough football and is hurting the opposition more with his disposals or at least trying to. Shame he hasn't got more help.
Still think Rance or Jack should be captain though.
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Nearly every other captain in the league, particularly the ones who are mids, also have the distinct advantage of playing in sides that actually block & shepherd and now how to do it effectively.
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Certainly got the boys up and about tonight
Not sure if it chimps fault grigg hamspud Morris Chaplin and co are useless
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lets be honest no captain can save this rabble. Cotch tries his guts out but when you are surrounded by amateurs what hope have you got.
Jack used to be my preference but even he goes missing when it counts
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lets be honest no captain can save this rabble. Cotch tries his guts out but when you are surrounded by amateurs what hope have you got.
Jack used to be my preference but even he goes missing when it counts
And there we go. Indeed Hannibal Barka or Georgy Zhukov
Would is struggled with these idiots.
To be fair to jack (and lids titch to some extent) it's hard to do much when team can't get the ball past the back 50
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Chimp has been more Agro in recent times
A few of his softcck team mates should learn
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Yeah let's give Deledio the captaincy...
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Cotch is no better than Miles. At least Miles kicks longer and tends to be cleaner on the contested ball these days
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Cotch is no better than Miles. At least Miles kicks longer and tends to be cleaner on the contested ball these days
Miles never gets tagged......
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Cotch is no better than Miles. At least Miles kicks longer and tends to be cleaner on the contested ball these days
Miles never gets tagged......
Cotch is pathetic
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Cotch is no better than Miles. At least Miles kicks longer and tends to be cleaner on the contested ball these days
Miles never gets tagged......
There is a reason
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Reckon Cotch jas been ok
Bustong his gut and no supprt from his team mates
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Cotch is no better than Miles. At least Miles kicks longer and tends to be cleaner on the contested ball these days
Miles never gets tagged......
Cotch is pathetic
Orly
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Cotch is no better than Miles. At least Miles kicks longer and tends to be cleaner on the contested ball these days
Miles never gets tagged......
Cotch is pathetic
Orly
Captain also-ran for an also-ran club
Gets to contests.
Competes.
lays tackles.
Does little else.
Pick 2 for a semi-polished competitor
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Yeah let's give Deledio the captaincy...
13 possessions in third q
But yeah
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Cotch is no better than Miles. At least Miles kicks longer and tends to be cleaner on the contested ball these days
Miles never gets tagged......
Cotch is pathetic
Orly
Captain also-ran for an also-ran club
Gets to contests.
Competes.
lays tackles.
Does little else.
Pick 2 for a semi-polished competitor
More cotchins less lamberts hunts Griggs conca would be ideal
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Why dont the team mates of those gettin tagged help like every other team ?
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Why is Cotch not fit to tie the laces of most other team captains?
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Your just emotional.
Cotchin stacks up well again Nathan jones. Phil Davis. David Mundy.
Cotchin isn't the issue.
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Why is Cotch not fit to tie the laces of most other team captains?
Why doesn't Halfstep move him forward?
Did Deledio touch the ball in the first half or only come good after the horse had bolted just like the 2014 EF at the same venue? But hey yeah, let's give him the captaincy instead.
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The game was still alive when lids got 13 touches in one quarter.
Looking for answers in the wrong places ladies
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Yeah daughter, those 13 possessions really impacted the scoreboard.
Point is the half the flogs who want Cotchin to give up the captaincy, reckon Deledio would do better. Bloke's a gun but he's gone MIA in more big matches over the years than anyone and also can't break a tag for shyte.
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Ok, he needs more protection from his teammates but to get your pants pulled down by a second string SANFL player is still an embarrassment of the highest order.
We can try to give him all the excuses in the world but the facts still remains, he struggles with the tag and he let a fringe dweller beat him.
.....but he just had a baby! :rollin
Yes but he let a hack pull his pants down when his team needed him to lead them to victory.
Give the captaincy to Rance or Jack & let him just play footy. It's clearly not important enough for the bloke.
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Deledio played off half back to stop the rot. I think the mistake is Dimma is too rigid with his structures (he went too tall tonight ffs). Lids is an awesome forward but the ball did not even enter the F50 at all in the 2nd quarter. Same with the EF. Lids played on ball after the 1st to stop the unanswered goals but in both instances it was too late. Dimman needs to get his poo together amd be way more responsive to the game.
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Expect MoneyBlair to be into Kane Mitchell now....
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Expect MoneyBlair to be into Kane Mitchell now....
:clapping :rollin :clapping
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Cotchin and rance doing the job
Problem is elsewhere
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Choco: is Cotch better off without captaincy?
Ben Higgins
News Corp Australia
16th September 2016
FORMER Richmond assistant coach Mark Williams has backed Trent Cotchin to retain the Tigers’ captaincy ... sort of.
Williams was let go by Richmond this year after four years and said Cotchin was a “wonderful leader” but also used the analogy of Gavin Wanganeen giving up the captaincy at Port Adelaide to improve his game and help the team.
However, the Power premiership coach questioned whether there was a Tiger who would be better suited than Cotchin.
“Trent’s a wonderful leader. He really has the ear of all the players,” he said.
“The only analogy I have was when I was at Port, we had Gavin (Wanganeen).
“I’ve discussed this in match committee - I haven’t discussed this with Trent at all - but we decided that Gavin played well, played better and had more influence on results without the responsibility of captaincy.
“Matty Primus got the opportunity and it was a wonderful result.
“I suggested that, as to what happens and who might take over, who would know because there’s no one there who is absolutely perfect.
“You can’t say Jack Riewoldt or Alex Rance would be perfect because they’ve all got something about them that isn’t exactly the perfect captain but then again, who is.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/mark-williams-questions-whether-trent-cotchin-would-be-better-off-without-richmond-captaincy/news-story/35f3e0cb18a3ece226cac9b6a6f97ed5
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That was the problem too much Port Adelaide going through their heads instead of thinking the Richmond way :snidegrin
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What knock does he have on Jack or Rance these days?
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What knock does he have on Jack or Rance these days?
The same knock that has always been on them, it's just not what you see on TV FFS
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What knock does he have on Jack or Rance these days?
The same knock that has always been on them, it's just not what you see on TV FFS
Which is?
Jack a whinger?
Rance a clown?
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What knock does he have on Jack or Rance these days?
The same knock that has always been on them, it's just not what you see on TV FFS
Which is what allegedly?
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Jack is a Ranga and Rance is a born again
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What knock does he have on Jack or Rance these days?
The same knock that has always been on them, it's just not what you see on TV FFS
Which is what allegedly?
He has no idea will just give you some stupid half cocked reply. That's why he is here all the time
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Jack is a Ranga and Rance is a born again
Wrong!
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What knock does he have on Jack or Rance these days?
The same knock that has always been on them, it's just not what you see on TV FFS
Which is what allegedly?
He has no idea will just give you some stupid half cocked reply. That's why he is here all the time
I am really here just to hang out with you emo's
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What knock does he have on Jack or Rance these days?
The same knock that has always been on them, it's just not what you see on TV FFS
Which is what allegedly?
He has no idea will just give you some stupid half cocked reply. That's why he is here all the time
I am really here just to hang out with you emo's
I come for the ambience. I stay for the lolz
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I am here for the positive, constructive evaluation of where we are at as a club. I particularly like the objective assessments of our players and the respectful and thoughtful insights I read.
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Captain played a great hard game today
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Tonight showed why he's captain. One of his best games for our club.
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Cotch doing everything you could ask of your captain, cudos! :clapping
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Chimp in' ain't easy.......
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Clear BOG, even Pendles could see that.not sure if Treloar thinks we have the best list but surely we have the better captain?
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Last 10 minutes were massive.
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:clapping
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Cotch doing everything you could ask of your captain, cudos! :clapping
Agree
One of his finest games for a long time
Set the tone early and carried it the entire game, the tackles were the thing I was most impressed with... back to his brownlow season form :clapping
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Cotchin is playing like a Brownlow medallist
Richmond's skipper was awarded his 2012 Brownlow Medal in unprecedented circumstances last year, and at a time when his form had dropped from its once lofty heights. But the opening two rounds of the 2017 season have been more reminiscent of his career-best 2012 than anything Cotchin produced last year. The 26-year-old was a clear best on ground against Collingwood last Thursday night, backing up a strong opening round. He had 28 possessions, seven clearances, eight inside 50s and two goals against the Magpies, in a complete performance. His leadership was captured in two goal-saving tackles in the last five minutes, however, which delighted his coach. Richmond's game style in 2017 is built on tackling pressure, and young players need to see their captain living that trademark. The skipper has had a team-high 15 tackles across the opening two rounds, leading from the front with and without the ball. - Nathan Schmook
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-04-02/nine-things-we-learned-from-round-two
ROBBO'S "LIKES" No. 10: TRENT COTCHIN
No other captain in the past three years has wore the stuff as much as the Tigers skipper. A non-threatening, no-risk game plan might’ve tempered Cotchin’s influence because Richmond’s reworked game style seems to have reinvigorated the skipper. He was inspiring on Friday night, his team-high 26 disposals went with seven clearances, eight inside 50s, 11 score involvements and 53 pressure points.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/expert-opinion/mark-robinson/trent-cotchin-gary-ablett-umpire-bashing-ken-hinkley-among-mark-robinsons-likes-and-dislikes/news-story/6ffe4d6b0ae5545891171b293d9f74b8
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Yeah good Bump guys.
Disagree with last years assessment. He actually played quite a bit of good footy, he just gets marked by his outstanding '12 season - which he should. Love Cotch! :thumbsup
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Yeah good Bump guys.
Disagree with last years assessment. He actually played quite a bit of good footy, he just gets marked by his outstanding '12 season - which he should. Love Cotch! :thumbsup
Most players were stifled by a restricting game plan, programmed to look backwards or sideways at every opportunity.
Obviously the coach has been told to play a more forward moving free flowing style and everyone seems to b enjoying it.
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Player ratings: Captain Cotchin makes a point
AFL.com.au
4 April 2017
SPECULATION swirled all pre-season around Richmond's leadership and whether Trent Cotchin was the right man for the captaincy.
He made an emphatic statement last Thursday against Collingwood, posting the highest score for the round in the Schick AFL Player Ratings.
The performance was so impressive that the midfielder returned to the top 30 of the player ratings for the first time since round three, 2014.
Cotchin's re-entrance into that upper echelon means it is the first time the Tigers have had three players ranked so highly since round 22, 2012.
The 2012 Brownlow medallist led his side in many facets of the match as the Tigers beat the Magpies by 19 points to start the season with successive wins.
Cotchin racked up 26 disposals, 582m gained and two goals. The eight inside-50s, three score assists, seven tackles, seven clearances and 11 score involvements he managed were all game-highs.
Further to that, two tackles he laid in the dying minutes on Tom Phillips and Adam Treloar showed how desperate the three-time best and fairest was to lead his side to victory.
"He was outstanding, emphasised by those two last-quarter tackles. Trent plays his best footy … when he stalks the opposition, and we saw that tonight," coach Damien Hardwick said after the match.
"He started us off really well, probably reflected the side a little bit during the second quarter, but his last quarter was huge, and that's why he's captain."
Along with Cotchin at No.28 in the player ratings, Richmond also has Brownlow Medal fancy Dustin Martin (No.21) and three-time All Australian Alex Rance (No. 30).
When Hardwick last had so many players ranked that highly, Cotchin was No.17, now-Giant Brett Deledio was at No. 21 and Martin was sitting at No.27.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-04-04/player-ratings-captain-cotchin-makes-a-point
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Another fantastic captain's game. The new gameplan has freed Cotch up to play his natural game that won him the Brownlow. he certainly has shut up his critics in the media so far this year :clapping.
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Another fantastic captain's game. The new gameplan has freed Cotch up to play his natural game that won him the Brownlow. he certainly has shut up his critics in the media so far this year :clapping.
Agree about the change in game style being a huge benefit to him
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One word - Courageous.
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Playing with a fair bit of mongrel too. I'd eat my hat but that's just not smart, so instead I'm eating pizza and pretending it's my hat.
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Gave his all
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Is looking sharp. Is hard at the ball and clean
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Getting decent chop outs for the first time in his career.... :shh
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makes a difference doesnt it
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He seemed like the right choice at the time but one has to wonder what's going on with him. Looks more of a soldier type than the superstar we were all told he would be.
He doesn't have the toughness for it.
If you want to be a strong captain you need MONGREL.
Cotchin should not be captain. He clearly struggles under the weight of it and despite getting annoyed out on the field he doesn't have the killer instinct that makes him want to instigate the kind of behavior we often see him responding to.
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Was very good again.
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The real odd thing is that if he was playing the same way but we were losing the usual suspects would be after his head
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As long as he's not kicking those 20 metre sideway dinky's I'm happy because he's a bloody good player when hes allowed to play footy naturally.
That idiot coach of ours is full of crap.
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Yep that's been cut out of his game completely thank stuff :clapping
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Another excellent game from the skip. :thumbsup
Agree that the new game plan seems to have really benefited him.
He also seems to be moving more freely than he has in recent years. He's swooping on the ball like he was in 2012. I wonder if he's had some relief from an ongoing injury.
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Trent Cotchin on the pressure of the Richmond captaincy and learning to enjoy the good times
TRENT COTCHIN,
Herald Sun
30 April 2017
IT was the moment I knew I had to get some help.
Throughout the first four years as captain of Richmond, I’d always tried to work my backside off. Tried to be positive and supportive. As my dad always used to say: “Try to make every post a winner.”
But it was at the funeral of one of the most important people in Richmond’s history, Neville Crowe, in September last year that things really hit me.
Based on our performances and the pressure I was putting on myself, it was the worst season of my career and the most challenging year of my life.
As a team, I never thought we were far off, but the scoreboard suggested otherwise in our heavy late-season losses against Sydney and Greater Western Sydney.
At the end of the season, I was having a significant period of reflection about the team, myself and my position as a leader.
Was I the right fit for the club? I felt as unclear and as uncertain as I had ever been in footy.
I just wanted to the team to succeed and if that was under a new captain this year, I was fine with that.
I was totally comfortable with being able to lead this season without that title.
And I think the emotion of Neville’s funeral, combined with the emotion surrounding what he did to save the club in the 1990s, plus the difficulty of the season and all the cloudiness about who I was and who I wanted to be, it all just got to me.
At that point, I realised that I needed to seek out what my values were.
Our coach Damien Hardwick was there, too, and in a moment I’ll never forget, he threw his arms around me, told me he loved me and would support me.
We both wanted to help turn the team’s form around after last season and he said to me, “We are on this journey together”.
To have someone there like that say they love you and that they are there for you, it was a pretty powerful moment for me.
And most importantly, I sought out the help I needed and “Dimma” backed me in.
No one can do anything on their own. Through Dimma I sought out a mentor, “Crowey”, who helped me work through things and helped create an environment for me to do my own thinking and find myself.
And the greatest lesson that I’ve learned is that we are all imperfect, and that’s OK. We don’t all have the answers all the time.
Throughout my career, I’ve probably always had a kind of shield up, or had some armour on.
It’s a protective mechanism, I guess. You always want to be strong and stable for your teammates and your family, and throughout my adult life on and off the field I’ve tried to be this perfect person.
But at the end of last season everything was building up and it became a really heavy burden, and was taking a huge toll on me.
I needed to let go and show people that I was having the same challenges as everyone.
The same ups and downs that we all go through.
So I dropped that shield and threw away the armour, which, to be honest, was probably not allowing me to have the kind of closeness with my teammates that I do now.
What I have learned is that the more we can share with those around you and those who you go into battle with on the weekend and through the pre-season, the better our relationships with teammates and bonds can be.
It’s a connection thing and it’s our imperfections that connect us most. And it’s amazing the impact these changes and learnings have had on us as a group and my relationships with a lot of the guys.
Earlier in my career, my relationships with teammates was not something I probably valued as much as I should have, but I have learned from that.
Whether it’s the most senior guys or the youngest players on the list, I think you can connect on a much greater and deeper level when you show you are human.
When you open yourself up to one another and realise you are all going through the same struggles. It strengthens the ties off the field and in the change room and I’m certain it has really helped our on-field synergy this season.
A lot of people have remarked how Richmond looks to playing with more instinct and freedom. It’s right, we are. But I think it comes back to connection as well.
We have all got this fence line, or parameter around how we want to play, but within those parameters it feels like there is a greater understanding, synergy and team ethic about the way we are playing at the moment.
It’s nice to be 5-0. We have a lot of work to do yet, and can improve a lot too, but you’ve got to enjoy the good times, and the wins.
As part of my leadership, I did need to embrace the fact that guys want to celebrate when we are doing well, rather than harp on the fact that we “can’t get ahead of ourselves”.
You don’t want to ride the weekly roller coaster because the football environment can become so challenging when you lose.
But I’ve realised it’s OK to be happy about winning, and not to try and frown about it unnecessarily. It’s a game after all.
We should enjoy it, we should have fun with our mates.
It felt like things began to click into place for us on my first day back in pre-season.
The young guys had already returned and were showing lots of vigour and energy and enthusiasm on the track and around the club and that’s something I’ve always thrived on at Punt Rd.
It almost gave me even more confidence just to be myself. There was a moment when I got up and spoke in front of the group about the different way I wanted to go about things and the response was almost instant.
I was having coffee with some of the younger guys early in the pre-season and maybe in the past, players don’t want to reveal their vulnerabilities to the captain of the footy club.
Maybe you would worry if it would affect whether you are going to get another contract or something if you reveal your worries or weaknesses.
But I made a big effort to open up more and straight away you feel like you can connect more strongly with the guys.
You then have the ability to really understand what they need or how you can actually help them. I think that has been powerful for me and for us.
I also got up there and talked about how I needed love and support, too.
I spoke about how I felt I was worthy of being captain of this great club and that I was really excited about the journey we were on.
Our values at the club have been strong and have been built over a long period of time, but when you start to lose, you might let little things slips, that typically you should value more, it was just about re-honing them.
As I said, no one expects us to be perfect, and I’m certainly not. But this little change has helped us take little steps towards achieving what we want on and off the field this season.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/trent-cotchin-on-the-pressure-of-the-richmond-captaincy-and-learning-to-enjoy-the-good-times/news-story/e0c159ade1cbc5188ae61c62a6131efe
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This will be interesting.....
FWIW, I've always loved WAT, wherever he is. He should know that.
I hope Dimma still loves Cotch after he wins the toss and we kick into a 5 goal win before losing by 10 goals.
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Some leaders are born to have that role.
Some leaders learn to be better leaders.
Cotchin is firmly in the latter group.
I hope he continues to learn and becomes a great leader for our club. Recognizing his own deficiencies is a very important part of the learning curve.
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Some leaders are born to have that role.
Some leaders learn to be better leaders.
Cotchin is firmly in the latter group.
I hope he continues to learn and becomes a great leader for our club. Recognizing his own deficiencies is a very important part of the learning curve.
3rd category - some leaders probably shouldn't be leaders.
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Some leaders are born to have that role.
Some leaders learn to be better leaders.
Cotchin is firmly in the latter group.
I hope he continues to learn and becomes a great leader for our club. Recognizing his own deficiencies is a very important part of the learning curve.
3rd category - some leaders probably shouldn't be leaders.
Are you saying he is in the third category?
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Some leaders are born to have that role.
Some leaders learn to be better leaders.
Cotchin is firmly in the latter group.
I hope he continues to learn and becomes a great leader for our club. Recognizing his own deficiencies is a very important part of the learning curve.
3rd category - some leaders probably shouldn't be leaders.
Are you saying he is in the third category?
Insofar as Captain, Id rather a couple of other options. To be fair perhaps he could jag a role in the leadership group.
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Who are the other 2 options if you don't mind me asking?
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Who are the other 2 options if you don't mind me asking?
Rance and Jack.
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Who are the other 2 options if you don't mind me asking?
Rance and Jack.
Rance is too much of a "celebrity" these days with all his media commitments. I also think he'd put his foot in it more often than not which is not what you want from your captain.
Riewoldt was not wanted by Rance (as indicated by his recent article) to even be in the leadership group let alone captain, so I'm not sure how that would work out.
I think they actually have the right balance now and they shouldn't change it. Just about perfect.
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Theres also another category called trying to hard, reckon Trent is now comfortable in his own skin and not trying to manufacture "perceived leadership" hence his natural (and real)leadership is coming through. Just my 2 bobs worth
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Theres also another category called trying to hard, reckon Trent is now comfortable in his own skin and not trying to manufacture "perceived leadership" hence his natural (and real)leadership is coming through. Just my 2 bobs worth
Agree with this.
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Fantastic stuff. Good on you Cotch.
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Why would u agree to doing an interview on this topic in the first place unless you feel pressure from the captaincy and wanted to let people know?
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Cotchin now more comfortable in own skin: Lambert
By Rhys Carman
SEN
3 May 2017
Richmond midfielder Kane Lambert says that skipper Trent Cotchin's open and honest chat over the off-season with other members of the paying group has helped him turn his form around.
Cotchin has started the season in good nick after a difficult few seasons since inheriting the captaincy, but Lambert told SEN Breakfast that the midfielder now appears to be much more comfortable in the role.
"I think a lot of the boys last year were in quite a difficult place, Trent to his credit, doesn’t like to show too much weakness," he said.
"Last year was a very difficult year for him and he opened up to the boys at the start of pre-season and I think it’s done wonders for him – he seems to playing with a lot more freedom and seems to be enjoying his football which is good to see.
"I think last year he might have tried to be someone he wasn’t and this year plain and simply he’s been himself and that’s why we love him and you know he's playing some fantastic footy and he's been a great leader for this footy club for a long time.
"As soon as I walked in the four walls three years ago I was impressed with Trent but in particularly this year he seems to be a lot more free and has a lot more energy and being himself."
The Tigers suffered a disappointing 76-point loss at the hands of ladder leaders Adelaide at the weekend, but Lambert believes that the group will return quickly to form.
"I know we got a fair touch up from Adelaide on the weekend, but the best thing about that is you know we learnt a lot of lessons and we move on pretty quickly," Lambert said.
"I don’t think so we have a lot of belief among our group and we’ve done a lot of work over the pre-season.
"We knew Adelaide were a fantastic side and our first quarter we were pretty happy with the way we played in the first quarter, but plain and simply Adelaide smashed us in contested ball after quarter-time but we move on and we look at a the tapes and learn lot of lessons from Adelaide but were confident where we are at and well move on pretty quickly."
“We will move on and we’ll look at the tapes and learn a lot of lessons from Adelaide, but we’re confident where we are at and we’ll move on pretty quickly.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/05/03/cotchin-now-more-comfortable-in-own-skin-lambert/
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Cotchin now more comfortable in own skin: Lambert
TM called it..
reckon Trent is now comfortable in his own skin
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Why would u agree to doing an interview on this topic in the first place unless you feel pressure from the captaincy and wanted to let people know?
Its like coming out claiming that, without accusation, one is not a murderer or a thief..
Whats the need to defend if there is no accusation other than guilt?
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Who are the other 2 options if you don't mind me asking?
Rance and Jack.
Rance is too much of a "celebrity" these days with all his media commitments. I also think he'd put his foot in it more often than not which is not what you want from your captain.
Riewoldt was not wanted by Rance (as indicated by his recent article) to even be in the leadership group let alone captain, so I'm not sure how that would work out.
I think they actually have the right balance now and they shouldn't change it. Just about perfect.
Good for you. Perfect.
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Well that's a bit of a delayed reaction! :lol
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Why would u agree to doing an interview on this topic in the first place unless you feel pressure from the captaincy and wanted to let people know?
Its like coming out claiming that, without accusation, one is not a murderer or a thief..
Whats the need to defend if there is no accusation other than guilt?
The stuff you talking about? People criticise Cotchins captaincy and whether he can handle it all the time :lol :lol
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Why would u agree to doing an interview on this topic in the first place unless you feel pressure from the captaincy and wanted to let people know?
Its like coming out claiming that, without accusation, one is not a murderer or a thief..
Whats the need to defend if there is no accusation other than guilt?
The stuff you talking about? People criticise Cotchins captaincy and whether he can handle it all the time :lol :lol
Its about as contradictory as complaining about routine media spin being distributed and then when something seemingly genuine and more personal comes out still tearing it to bits.
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Saturday night will be Cotch's 100th as captain by the way.
Most games as RFC captain:
Bentley 168
Dyer 160
Rowe 104
Knights 102
Cotchin 100*
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2017-05-04/cotchin-captaincy-century
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He's not a natural leader but he's the best option once you consider everything. The last natural leader we had was Tony Free
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Free led us into the darkness.
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Campbell led us into the darkness.
e.f.a
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Why would u agree to doing an interview on this topic in the first place unless you feel pressure from the captaincy and wanted to let people know?
Its like coming out claiming that, without accusation, one is not a murderer or a thief..
Whats the need to defend if there is no accusation other than guilt?
The stuff you talking about? People criticise Cotchins captaincy and whether he can handle it all the time :lol :lol
I expected more of you Dooks. As a man of high integrity, I thought I'd at least get a response
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Trent Cotchin will chalk up 150 games as Richmond’s captain, when he leads the team out to do battle with Collingwood in Friday night’s blockbuster at the MCG.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2019-07-25/cotchins-key-captaincy-milestone
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Good fun reading through the last page or so of this thread....