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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Rampstar on November 25, 2012, 11:53:28 AM
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So we have finished the 2012 draft and brought in new players, we also got Knights and Chaplin in trades. So who is under the pump in 2013. For me the 2013 national draft and trading periods will be the last draft and trading period we will need to finally finish the renewal of the playing list into one which should be capable of winning a flag. So who is under the pump in 2013? Who needs a big season to survive the cut?
For me and in no particular order the players who need big years include:
David Astbury
Luke McGuane
Shane Tuck (may retire)
Daniel Jackson
Aaron Edwards
Matthew White
Tom Derrickx
Ben Darrou
For the first time in a long time the list seems to be getting smaller and Tuck wouldnt even be on it if he wasnt considering retiring. Next years draft is considered to be a rip snorter. So who do you guys reckon should be on the list? Who needs a big season to survive the Hardwick axe.
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A.Edwards.
Derick
Mcgaune
King
Jackson
white
Darrou
Verrier
Think astbury and tuck are.safe
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IMO Griff is in same boat as Astbury. Need to improve on what they've shown even if it doesn't mean they've cemented their spot. Neither will be delisted but it's a contract year for both so would want to improve if they want more than the 1 year.
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Astbury got 3 years from Cameron about two months back. Or maybe it was 2.
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Astbury got 3 years from Cameron about two months back. Or maybe it was 2.
Well there you go. Did he get an extra year after his first season? Because if he just signed he had a 3 year deal to start.
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S. Edwards.... :lol
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A. Edwards shouldn't be under the pump. Not a required player and is purely as a depth top up player.
Realistically he won't be rehired in the senior team this team Even if he's dominating at coburg.
Lets hope we never use him in the senior team because we shouldn't need him.
He the last guy I'd be pinning my Hopes on playing finals footy
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You don't get a bloke on your senior list and have him in the reserves all year. Complete waste of money. Edwards will play and possibly in round one too.
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S. Edwards.... :lol
inb4 S.Edwards. ohh wait... :lol
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Hardwick!
Finals - Safe!
No Finals - Goneski!
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You don't get a bloke on your senior list and have him in the reserves all year. Complete waste of money. Edwards will play and possibly in round one too.
Aaron Edwards usually plays a few games a year where he is actually quite good. I would play him in R1 and hope that is one of the games he fires in and kicks 3 or 4 goals.
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White, Derrickx and McGuane
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The RFC for me.
Im wanting to see if they can withstand the pressure and make finals when everyone including themselves thinks they should.
Hardwicks career is on the line IMO by this next year, along with in order
HACKSON, White, Darrour, Mcguane, Derrick, A Edwards then S Edwards.
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Martin :shh
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S. Edwards.... :lol
No
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You don't get a bloke on your senior list and have him in the reserves all year. Complete waste of money. Edwards will play and possibly in round one too.
Good call coach. One A. Edwards is a complete waste of money and shouldn't be on our senior list.
Unless he's purely there for an emergency back up if too many forwards have gone down with injury.
There's no way I'd have him play unless all other options are exhausted.
I'd be shocked if he were playing round 1.
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Prepare to be shocked. Edwards is a stuff and can produce some seriously good football. Not sure why you have a vendetta against him, he's a ripper bloke.
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Newman
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Prepare to be shocked. Edwards is a stuff and can produce some seriously good football. Not sure why you have a vendetta against him, he's a ripper bloke.
He might be a ripper bloke as so was miller and his ripper hot Mrs. But besides Mrs miller what benefit was he?
Pointless pickup IMO. But purely as a backup plan fair enough.
It's about time we get a settled team that will take us into finals. Then 2014 top four then you could consider an old timer to fill a specific role (if we have need of someone) for 2015,16,17 when we are a triple premiership threat. :thumbsup
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Prepare to be shocked. Edwards is a stuff and can produce some seriously good football. Not sure why you have a vendetta against him, he's a ripper bloke.
He might be a ripper bloke as so was miller and his ripper hot Mrs. But besides Mrs miller what benefit was he?
Pointless pickup IMO. But purely as a backup plan fair enough.
It's about time we get a settled team that will take us into finals. Then 2014 top four then you could consider an old timer to fill a specific role (if we have need of someone) for 2015,16,17 when we are a triple premiership threat. :thumbsup
Edwards is a better forward than Miller by default as he is a lovely kick, can kick further than 12 metres and Azza can sit on blokes heads. Consistency is his problem but I will bet he plays a bit of senior football for us next year
Stop beating around the bush Tigra. Do you think Hardwick & Cameron have taken a short cut here? ;D
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if edwards earns a spot through performance, then he plays.
Pretty simple really.
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Prepare to be shocked. Edwards is a stuff and can produce some seriously good football. Not sure why you have a vendetta against him, he's a ripper bloke.
He might be a ripper bloke as so was miller and his ripper hot Mrs. But besides Mrs miller what benefit was he?
Pointless pickup IMO. But purely as a backup plan fair enough.
It's about time we get a settled team that will take us into finals. Then 2014 top four then you could consider an old timer to fill a specific role (if we have need of someone) for 2015,16,17 when we are a triple premiership threat. :thumbsup
Edwards is a better forward than Miller by default as he is a lovely kick, can kick further than 12 metres and Azza can sit on blokes heads. Consistency is his problem but I will bet he plays a bit of senior football for us next year
Stop beating around the bush Tigra. Do you think Hardwick & Cameron have taken a short cut here? ;D
youtu.be/QJP2p2u8VqI (http://youtu.be/QJP2p2u8VqI)
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If Miller could get a game with us then just about and other forward playing AFL could.
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You don't get a bloke on your senior list and have him in the reserves all year. Complete waste of money. Edwards will play and possibly in round one too.
Aaron Edwards usually plays a few games a year where he is actually quite good. I would play him in R1 and hope that is one of the games he fires in and kicks 3 or 4 goals.
I would rather see aaron edwards running around with a cheesy smile and fist pump celebrating his 3rd goal and match sealer inrd 1 than see any of those scum like betts or robinson pretend their extras from boyz in tha hood :shh
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So we have finished the 2012 draft and brought in new players, we also got Knights and Chaplin in trades. So who is under the pump in 2013. For me the 2013 national draft and trading periods will be the last draft and trading period we will need to finally finish the renewal of the playing list into one which should be capable of winning a flag. So who is under the pump in 2013? Who needs a big season to survive the cut?
For me and in no particular order the players who need big years include:
David Astbury
Luke McGuane
Shane Tuck (may retire)
Daniel Jackson
Aaron Edwards
Matthew White
Tom Derrickx
Ben Darrou
For the first time in a long time the list seems to be getting smaller and Tuck wouldnt even be on it if he wasnt considering retiring. Next years draft is considered to be a rip snorter. So who do you guys reckon should be on the list? Who needs a big season to survive the Hardwick axe.
Why Darrou and not Arnot, Verrier?
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if edwards earns a spot through performance, then he plays.
Pretty simple really.
Agree with this
If he helps us beat the scum rd 1, he plays all year and the next 3 yrs
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Astbury got 3 years from Cameron about two months back. Or maybe it was 2.
lol
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Prepare to be shocked. Edwards is a stuff and can produce some seriously good football. Not sure why you have a vendetta against him, he's a ripper bloke.
He might be a ripper bloke as so was miller and his ripper hot Mrs. But besides Mrs miller what benefit was he?
Pointless pickup IMO. But purely as a backup plan fair enough.
It's about time we get a settled team that will take us into finals. Then 2014 top four then you could consider an old timer to fill a specific role (if we have need of someone) for 2015,16,17 when we are a triple premiership threat. :thumbsup
okay all we keep on getting from you is hes a waste . no reason why apart from hes got on the pee a few times and he will be 29 next yr. how about you actually tell us why in football terms.
you know strengths weaknesses performances where he fits in the list flexability etc. you clearly have a problem with age perhaps you can tll us all how we are travelling for experienced players. is he a different better option than say white omg. will we get more from him than say macdonald, if your going to bag em put up or shut up. just remember bud we are all waiting and ready to give you poo if you cant make any sense which by the way is quite often.
i could ask for more but i doubt you will even reply and make a legit attempt at answering the very simple questions ive asked that a ten yr old could.
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:lol
sic em rex.
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Prepare to be shocked. Edwards is a stuff and can produce some seriously good football. Not sure why you have a vendetta against him, he's a ripper bloke.
He might be a ripper bloke as so was miller and his ripper hot Mrs. But besides Mrs miller what benefit was he?
Pointless pickup IMO. But purely as a backup plan fair enough.
It's about time we get a settled team that will take us into finals. Then 2014 top four then you could consider an old timer to fill a specific role (if we have need of someone) for 2015,16,17 when we are a triple premiership threat. :thumbsup
okay all we keep on getting from you is hes a waste . no reason why apart from hes got on the pee a few times and he will be 29 next yr. how about you actually tell us why in football terms.
you know strengths weaknesses performances where he fits in the list flexability etc. you clearly have a problem with age perhaps you can tll us all how we are travelling for experienced players. is he a different better option than say white omg. will we get more from him than say macdonald, if your going to bag em put up or shut up. just remember bud we are all waiting and ready to give you poo if you cant make any sense which by the way is quite often.
i could ask for more but i doubt you will even reply and make a legit attempt at answering the very simple questions ive asked that a ten yr old could.
Sometimes your posts make about as much sense as my 94 yr old grandma after she smashes a glass of red
In football terms?? Sometimes it's not just about that Claw
Garlett? Fev??
On football alone I agree, I'd say he should be first picked ahead of spuds like Hackson and White
I don't agree with it, much like Miller, but so what I'd love for him to kick 3 goals against the scum Rd 1 as that will mean we win.
At the end of the day regardless of what we all say and think.
If he performs he stays. It's as simple as that.
My money is on him kicking 20/30 goals. Said it when it happened best thing for him is getting locked up already as I don't believe it will happen again and he will be out to thank the club
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White gone in 12 months, MCGuane as well, Derickx needs a big one, Newy needs to recapture some of his old form or he may struggle also. one of King or Nahas and Jacko who creates the most discussion on here who is out of contract a year from now.
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I would hope all of newman, Jackson & Tuck spend time at Coburg this season. If that happens the team is genuinely on the up.
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Tuck won't MM, I don't think but the first two are in trouble. Midfield depth and backline depth is quite deep.
Tuck will play given the season he had last year and Jako in a perfect world will be lucky to play 10 games this season.
If the match committee are fair dinkum Newman needs to earn his spot but I feel out of respect he'll get first crack wherever he plays and given the win loss ratio he will either keep his spot or end up playing curtain raisers.
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Tuck won't MM, I don't think but the first two are in trouble. Midfield depth and backline depth is quite deep.
Tuck will play given the season he had last year and Jako in a perfect world will be lucky to play 10 games this season.
If the match committee are fair dinkum Newman needs to earn his spot but I feel out of respect he'll get first crack wherever he plays and given the win loss ratio he will either keep his spot or end up playing curtain raisers.
Agree with you Tucker
I reckon Newy really struggled in 2012.
think there are a number players that are "depth" (read experienced with bigger bodies) players on our list
Clearly there are the obvious ones like McGuane, Derrickx who I don't think are under the pump as such because they will only get games when we need to cover a spot in the seniors.
However, there are those I think need to be more consistent. Eg Newy, Nahas, Houli ( :o ) who are facing big years all of them had good days but went missing alot during games.
Then sadly there are those who I don't think it matters what happens they seem to survive eg Jackson, Dea,
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I would hope all of newman, Jackson & Tuck spend time at Coburg this season. If that happens the team is genuinely on the up.
you are as bad with tuck as some posters are with edwards, magic man.
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Your kidding yourself if you think tuck,newman or even jackson will spend time in the vfl... tuck had a great year and is our in and under player... newman was injured in the second part of the year and only kept playing for the chance to play finals.... and as for jackson well the jury is out with him this maybe his last season in the yellow and black at the crossroads....
the one i think maybe in trouble moving forward maybe king i think nahas is a better player then him and they will be playing for that one spot specially know that knights is here......
richmond will know be chasing toy in the dec draft after the latest grimes injury...
GO U TIGERS
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The biggest one under the pump has to be Martin.
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Grimes' hammy.
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I would hope all of newman, Jackson & Tuck spend time at Coburg this season. If that happens the team is genuinely on the up.
you are as bad with tuck as some posters are with edwards, magic man.
:lol
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If Tucky ever pulls on a Coburg jumper again there should be a bloody riot. poo delivered to Punt Road will be back
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Tuck won't MM, I don't think but the first two are in trouble. Midfield depth and backline depth is quite deep.
Tuck will play given the season he had last year and Jako in a perfect world will be lucky to play 10 games this season.
If the match committee are fair dinkum Newman needs to earn his spot but I feel out of respect he'll get first crack wherever he plays and given the win loss ratio he will either keep his spot or end up playing curtain raisers.
gotta disagree i think midfield depth very shallow even with knights and vlastuin.
both jackson and tuck are more than likely safe as houses because of the lack of depth. in tucks case he has earnt it. in fact who on the list can perform his role if he were to miss the yr.
i tend to agree on newman especially if we do the right thng and and blood vlastuin in of a hbf. imo the thing that saves newman is the dire lack of experienced players and games played.
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Damien Hardwick
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Brendon Lade if Maric falls over.
Nothing on the list can save the current ruck division should Ivan succumb to injury for 2 or more weeks.
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Prepare to be shocked. Edwards is a stuff and can produce some seriously good football. Not sure why you have a vendetta against him, he's a ripper bloke.
He might be a ripper bloke as so was miller and his ripper hot Mrs. But besides Mrs miller what benefit was he?
Pointless pickup IMO. But purely as a backup plan fair enough.
It's about time we get a settled team that will take us into finals. Then 2014 top four then you could consider an old timer to fill a specific role (if we have need of someone) for 2015,16,17 when we are a triple premiership threat. :thumbsup
okay all we keep on getting from you is hes a waste . no reason why apart from hes got on the pee a few times and he will be 29 next yr. how about you actually tell us why in football terms.
you know strengths weaknesses performances where he fits in the list flexability etc. you clearly have a problem with age perhaps you can tll us all how we are travelling for experienced players. is he a different better option than say white omg. will we get more from him than say macdonald, if your going to bag em put up or shut up. just remember bud we are all waiting and ready to give you poo if you cant make any sense which by the way is quite often.
i could ask for more but i doubt you will even reply and make a legit attempt at answering the very simple questions ive asked that a ten yr old could.
His strengths are his leading marking and kicking for goal. But he's only influential when opposed to a third string backman. Once he's got a decent backman on him he's useless so I suppose with the likes of reiwoldt and Vickery up forward he might be ok for us with a third string backman on him.
The problem I have with him which I have stated over and over if you bothered to read is that I don't feel he's the right fit. Too immature and not fairdinkum as highlighted by his off field problems.
For the club to get an older player for experience as they did with Miller I can understand that he has exemplary character and can help the youngster around the club settle in whilst being an example for the youngsters to follow.
A. Edwards isn't a good example, is very inconsistent and is still a kid in his attitude.
You mention he was on the pee in the off season but consistantly fail to mention he was locked up and fined. So he can't be trusted even at his age than what sort of example is that going to be to impressionable youngsters coming through.
It's the last thing we need at this time in our team development.
The club got him for added depth so in my opinion they shouldn't play him unless all other options are fully exhausted and even then I doubt he'll be effective at all.
Just my opinion claw.
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I saw Aaron Edwards on the grassy knoll with a smoking gun in his hand
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I saw Aaron Edwards on the grassy knoll with a smoking gun in his hand
Did he get locked up for indecent exposure that time? :banghead
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i saw him on gun knoll smoking grass
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put it down or pass it on big fella
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I would hope all of newman, Jackson & Tuck spend time at Coburg this season. If that happens the team is genuinely on the up.
Tuck is one of our best most consistent players. If uninjured and in the same form as last year, if he plays VFL this year I will start barracking for The Pies
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Prepare to be shocked. Edwards is a stuff and can produce some seriously good football. Not sure why you have a vendetta against him, he's a ripper bloke.
He might be a ripper bloke as so was miller and his ripper hot Mrs. But besides Mrs miller what benefit was he?
Pointless pickup IMO. But purely as a backup plan fair enough.
It's about time we get a settled team that will take us into finals. Then 2014 top four then you could consider an old timer to fill a specific role (if we have need of someone) for 2015,16,17 when we are a triple premiership threat. :thumbsup
okay all we keep on getting from you is hes a waste . no reason why apart from hes got on the pee a few times and he will be 29 next yr. how about you actually tell us why in football terms.
you know strengths weaknesses performances where he fits in the list flexability etc. you clearly have a problem with age perhaps you can tll us all how we are travelling for experienced players. is he a different better option than say white omg. will we get more from him than say macdonald, if your going to bag em put up or shut up. just remember bud we are all waiting and ready to give you poo if you cant make any sense which by the way is quite often.
i could ask for more but i doubt you will even reply and make a legit attempt at answering the very simple questions ive asked that a ten yr old could.
His strengths are his leading marking and kicking for goal. But he's only influential when opposed to a third string backman. Once he's got a decent backman on him he's useless so I suppose with the likes of reiwoldt and Vickery up forward he might be ok for us with a third string backman on him.
The problem I have with him which I have stated over and over if you bothered to read is that I don't feel he's the right fit. Too immature and not fairdinkum as highlighted by his off field problems.
1/ For the club to get an older player for experience as they did with Miller I can understand that he has exemplary character and can help the youngster around the club settle in whilst being an example for the youngsters to follow.
2/ A. Edwards isn't a good example, is very inconsistent and is still a kid in his attitude.
You mention he was on the pee in the off season but consistantly fail to mention he was locked up and fined. So he can't be trusted even at his age than what sort of example is that going to be to impressionable youngsters coming through.
3/ It's the last thing we need at this time in our team development.
4/ The club got him for added depth so in my opinion they shouldn't play him unless all other options are fully exhausted and even then I doubt he'll be effective at all.
Just my opinion claw.
and as i keep on pointing out your guesses are wrong. i say guesses because that is what they are.
i numbered each section of the above post so heres the reply
1/ we got miller to actually perform a role while kids developed into that role. when we got miller we effectively had just one established tall forward in jack and he was a baby himself. miller was also reported to be a very good club man. the lack of experienced players along with the above made miller a very good choice. of course if a very good 25 yr old was available to us without paying the earth in picks, im sure we would have gone that route instead of miller.there was huge benefits in taking miller if you cant see this then your blind.
to me an ideal tall forward list set up would be 2 mature that is 25 thru 30 plus. 2 developing tall forwards aged 22 thru 24, 2 junior tall forwards 18 thru 21. my only gripe with miller is while he did fill every need he imo was never good enough to warrant taking. i dont have that problem with edwards. but miller at least could fulfill a role while the kids developed.
our tall forwards in 2011, riewoldt 22yrs development player still. vickery had done nothing 21yrs junior and taken as a ruckman, griffiths 20yrs junior now a supposed backman. astbury 20 yrs junior being developed as a backman god knows why.in an ideal world we probably should have only been looking at a full season from jack, getting an experienced tall was a must.i keep saying age has nothing to do with it.
2/ edwards has had three misdemeanors yes not a good look. but to say edwards is immature and a kid in his outlook to footy is just a figment of your imagination you dont know this. yes hes done some silly things on the pee perhaps he shouldnt drink, but we all do silly things on the pee every now and then even at 30, 40, 50. id say rather than being immature and a really bad person whos a lousy influence on others he just doesnt handle his booze too well.
his record at nm says and i must reiterate this says he was a damn hard worker good with his peers willing to lend a hand etc and very well liked. to suggest hes a bad influence on anyone is just a nonsense his record says otherwise.
yes he got locked up to sober up i wasnt aware he got fined but did he go on a rampage threatening anyone or did just have too many and was staggering around locked up more for his own good than anything else. when you get drunk you stagger around sometimes. what has getting fined got to do with it if he hadnt got got pulled up by the cops noone would even care as most reasonable people think theres nothing wrong with getting on the booze in your off season if not then when they entitled to let their hair down even at that old old age of 28.
hes a medium sized forward and i agree hes inconsistent but isnt that par for the territory. when hes good hes damn good.
3/ whats the last thing we need in our development. how about you tell me exactly where we are with our development and what our needs are.
unlike you after the way our forward line has functioned the last few yrs id say hes exactly what we need in our development both as a player and a bloke who can show the younger players on the track.
this bloke is fair dinkum hes managed to survive in the afl as a med forward for 8 or so yrs. hes done that thru bloody hard work.
he left north yes, basically he left north after getting an offer from us unlike us north have some talented sml/ medium sized forwards in their system harper comes straight to mind edwards was probably going to struggle to get a game in front of blokes like him so north let him go cheap.
our current medium sized forwards are
b ohanlon 19yrs junior, a edwards 28yrs mature thats it unless you include knights 26yrs mature who is a mid first. in recent times and ive said this before we have gone thru medium sized forwards taylor, macdonald, connors, peterson, morton, and im sure im missing a few. i see nothing wrong with taking him at 28 and i see nothing wrong with his talent. i dont see much wrong with his attitude and i think him fair dinkum when you look at what medium forwrds we have we sure took him for the now and to shore up in the short term a hole in our list. i fully expect him to be playing most games if fit.
4/ no they did not get him for depth they got him to perform a role hes a type we just dont have as such hes very valuable. i expect him to play a lot of games you dont draft 28 yr olds to sit in the magoos.
we take older players for two two or three reasons. a lack of experince see miller and edwards does fall into this. to help with player development by buying younger types time. or they are a cheap need to fill a role so we can climb. in a lot of cases it is for all reasons. id say edwards fits all 3.
so at the end of the day we are poles apart and disagree.
personally i would deasrly have loved to take maloney and martin as free agents as well and cut hacks like white and mcguane rather than resigning them. with an inordinate amount of juniors on the list im more than happy for us to take another 4 or 5 players 24 plus.
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he got fined because thats automatic when you get picked up for being drunk in the nanny state. You can bet your bottom dollar the filth have quotas to fill on the weekends to fill the govt coffers.
I wonder if mr righteousness would feel the same way if we traded buddy just before he got caught doing 90 in a 50 zone?
I know which offense is more likely to kill someone.
Kiwi tiger mentioned that aaron edwards was working hard in the drills in his reports on Big Footy. I gather he must be mistaken.
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he got fined because thats automatic when you get picked up for being drunk in the nanny state. You can bet your bottom dollar the filth have quotas to fill on the weekends to fill the govt coffers.
I wonder if mr righteousness would feel the same way if we traded buddy just before he got caught doing 90 in a 50 zone?
Don't forget to mention that you get 'locked up' if you are picked up for being drunk when you're on your own, as then you nor anyone else can sue the police for anything you do while inebriated. Also so you can't say you don't recall being fined. You're fine to go once you sober up or released into custody of friends or family. If you're with a group of mates they fine you but don't pick you up as you become the responsibility of your friends.
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Claw,
You say he wasn't recruited for depth.
If you read what Craig Cameron says he provides the reason for recruiting A.Edwards.
"We felt we needed another forward to bring in," Richmond football manager Craig Cameron told Trade Week Radio.
"Brad Miller obviously retired at the end of this year and we suffered a little bit when Tyrone Vickery went down last year in terms of our goal output.
"Aaron was available, we saw it as an area we were probably at risk if we had a number of injuries, so we thought for a fourth-round draft pick it wasn't a bad trade."
The Tigers last qualified for the finals back in 2001, but they have been steadily improving under coach Damien Hardwick, and are focused on reaching the top eight in 2013.
The club has been happy to blood youngsters in recent years, Cameron said, but the time had come to add depth to an improving list.
"When we got injuries last year we were bringing in a lot of kids that weren't quite ready," he said.
"While that's been OK in the last couple of years in trying to give them experience, it's really important for us to give our squad a chance to play finals next year.
"If we get injuries, we don't want to be going back to guys who have played one game or no games or kids who just aren't ready.
"We'd prefer seasoned players running out for us."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/150233/default.aspx (http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/150233/default.aspx)
Clearly by what Craig is saying he'd be used primarily as a back up plan if;
a) we get injuries to key forwards
b) we are still in line for a finals spot
And that's fair enough as long as he pulls his head in and doesn't do those stupid things he's already done at 2 other clubs. Stupid enough for those clubs to let him go. You don't think they were a big deal but it was a big enough deal to those clubs that got rid of him.
If he's such a great player they probably would have persisted and not let him go for nothing.
He is purely there for depth not as a starting forward and as he never was recruited for that purpose.
I don't think he should be used for any other reason.
If we are decimated by injury and finals are beyond us then just bring on the kids playing him then would be pointless.
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he got fined because thats automatic when you get picked up for being drunk in the nanny state. You can bet your bottom dollar the filth have quotas to fill on the weekends to fill the govt coffers.
I wonder if mr righteousness would feel the same way if we traded buddy just before he got caught doing 90 in a 50 zone?
I know which offense is more likely to kill someone.
Kiwi tiger mentioned that aaron edwards was working hard in the drills in his reports on Big Footy. I gather he must be mistaken.
do you live in Victoria, just saying. How do you know you get locked up if your drunk? are you there all the time?
a slight exageration if i have ever heard one.
both are bad decisions but lets remember Edwards (north days) involved drink driving and refusing a breatho. Make your own assumptions why
i think he will be an okay selection and kick 20/30 goals. but lets not kid ourselves he has priors
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sometimes your comprehension skill truly amazes me daniel.
either slow down and read what is written or seek out some remedial English lessons.
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sometimes your comprehension skill truly amazes me daniel.
either slow down and read what is written or seek out some remedial English lessons.
nice deflection pal.
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You mention he was on the pee in the off season but consistantly fail to mention he was locked up and fined. So he can't be trusted even at his age than what sort of example is that going to be to impressionable youngsters coming through.
Is your problem that he was drinking, or that he got done for it?
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sometimes your comprehension skill truly amazes me daniel.
either slow down and read what is written or seek out some remedial English lessons.
nice deflection pal.
how is it a deflection when you make comments that have nothing to do with what i said, pal?
Please explain, pal!
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In general, most of the time - Claws posts are too succinct
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In general, most of the time - Claws posts are too succinct
we need a sarcasm emoticon
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You mention he was on the pee in the off season but consistantly fail to mention he was locked up and fined. So he can't be trusted even at his age than what sort of example is that going to be to impressionable youngsters coming through.
Is your problem that he was drinking, or that he got done for it?
The issue I have is that he has a colourful history of off-field issue is given another chance at his third club and what is the outcome 3 days after being given a third chance?
I don't have a problem with players drinking in the off season as long as they behave.
I look at it this way...if I was close to 30 y/o and my career drawing to a close with one final chance to make one last crack at it. To make that one last impact at a club that was on the rise. To help them get to the holy grail of finals footy I'd probably make some changes to my behavior off field especially since I have had a history of issues in the past.
Whether its not drinking or not going out to drink or both a mature decision would be made considering my history when on the pee.
Some people are just muppets when on the pee or even the smell of it can cause their behavior to escalate into muppethood.
Claw seems to think this fellow is a decent player. I don't feel he was worth the risk but as Cameron has already pointed out he felt Edwards was worth a late pick to add depth incase our forward line had a run of injuries. That's fair enough.
I for one won't be pinning our hopes on a finals berth on him playing.
I think we won't need him to make finals.
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On the way back from my run along the beach tonight, saw the coppers pick up a bloke, about mid 20s, because he had the wobbles about 200m up the road from the Mentone Hotel. Can guarantee he did nothing else wrong because I saw him leave the pub, and saw the bike copper pull him up down the road, notify him for drunk and disorderly, and retained him until a van rocked up. Does that make him a bad person, Tigra? Reckon his new nickname will be 'lock up'?
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too much paperwork and very little revenue to go and uphold the law about serving intoxicated people at the pub.
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On the way back from my run along the beach tonight, saw the coppers pick up a bloke, about mid 20s, because he had the wobbles about 200m up the road from the Mentone Hotel. Can guarantee he did nothing else wrong because I saw him leave the pub, and saw the bike copper pull him up down the road, notify him for drunk and disorderly, and retained him until a van rocked up. Does that make him a bad person, Tigra? Reckon his new nickname will be 'lock up'?
I never ever said he was a bad person. Not once.
But I did say I didn't think Edwards was a good fit for us. Too risky in my opinion given his past history.
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too much paperwork and very little revenue to go and uphold the law about serving intoxicated people at the pub.
Isn't it a big issue up north Al?
Can't by a slab there without your ID.
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nah, the CLP scrapped that. their mates were not selling enough grog.
I think all jurisdictions have some form of protective custody for those that are overly drunk in public, but you generally have to be literally legless.
Nor is it a revenue raiser up here as most of the people taken in wouldn't be able to afford the large fine they lay on you in victoria
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I think all jurisdictions have some form of protective custody for those that are overly drunk in public, but you generally have to be literally legless.
Not as much as you think. If they fined you for D&D, then let you go and you injured yourself or somebody else, they open themselves up to all sorts of legal problems. If you're with mates or family or something you become their responsibility instead.
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You mention he was on the pee in the off season but consistantly fail to mention he was locked up and fined. So he can't be trusted even at his age than what sort of example is that going to be to impressionable youngsters coming through.
Is your problem that he was drinking, or that he got done for it?
Claw seems to think this fellow is a decent player. I don't feel he was worth the risk but as Cameron has already pointed out he felt Edwards was worth a late pick to add depth incase our forward line had a run of injuries. That's fair enough.
I for one won't be pinning our hopes on a finals berth on him playing.
I think we won't need him to make finals.
apology first. you are entitled to your opinion i dont mean to demean it.
i also apogise for not replying to the post about cameron i go out of my way to read all posts but havent. i feel like we are going around in circles.
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yes i think edwards can play when hes good hes good but like all permanent forwards it can get a bit lean at times.
i dont think him depth not when you have just two medium sized forwards on the list. one a psd pick still aged 19 with a long way to go in ohanlon. the other being edwards.hes a medium sized forward not a lot different to morton or even wce lecras where marking and leading is more the go.
we are not arguing type here hes not a tall and does more than enough on the grond.
i expect two kpfs one ruck/for, one med forward and possibly two sml forwards as the structure.
just my opinion but one reason why our forward line has been dysfunctional and one dimensional is we have had to put up with 3 runts and 3 bean poles if you like.theres no flexability. or option to go to plan b.
on craig cameron can i give you a tip dont trust a word he says he has nfi. maybe he meant edwards improves depth in a deficient area. our list has taken forever to even remotely look structured and thats after 6 yrs of this bloke. hes got so much wrong im gobsmacked he still has a job to be honest.
finally im not pinning my hopes on us making finals because we got a edwards. but i as sure as hell think he improves our list and our med forward stocks.
im not sure if we need him to make finals either but im damn sure he gives us a better chance of getting there.
if finals are the go for 2012 i would have taken moloney and martin as well as chaplin knights and edwards. id also be looking at at least two mature rookies.
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In general, most of the time - Claws posts are too succinct
hhhaaaarrrrgggghhh as you wish my son more details shall be the go.
anyway i am trying to be more how does one say it oh yeah succinct.
how about for starters
stuff you!!!!!. :whistle
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Claw, You seem to be ignoring Helbig totally in your posts about medium forwards.
I'm not saying Helbig is an answer to the lack of medium forwards but he is an option and, along with the resting mids like Cotchin, Martin and Deledio, gives us more than simply the TWO choices you've highlighted in your previous post.
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where did helbig play as a junior?
coz that determines what he is. lets not continue to try to turn players into something they are not.
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where did helbig play as a junior?
coz that determines what he is. lets not continue to try to turn players into something they are not.
was mostly a half forward flanker, daiynne beamz stylz
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where did helbig play as a junior?
coz that determines what he is. lets not continue to try to turn players into something they are not.
was mostly a half forward flanker, daiynne beamz stylz
Find that hard to believe - was the Waikerie middle group so strong they had the luxury of playing Helbig forward?
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where did helbig play as a junior?
coz that determines what he is. lets not continue to try to turn players into something they are not.
was mostly a half forward flanker, daiynne beamz stylz
Find that hard to believe - was the Waikerie middle group so strong they had the luxury of playing Helbig forward?
Played HFF for Westies mate
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and craw wants to turn him into a small/medium defender. :huh3
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there is no choice there is only claw