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Re: Under The Pump in 2013
« Reply #45 on: November 29, 2012, 02:27:32 PM »
I saw Aaron Edwards on the grassy knoll with a smoking gun in his hand

Did he get locked up for indecent exposure that time?  :banghead

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Re: Under The Pump in 2013
« Reply #46 on: November 29, 2012, 03:35:06 PM »
i saw him on gun knoll smoking grass
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Re: Under The Pump in 2013
« Reply #47 on: November 29, 2012, 03:44:54 PM »
put it down or pass it on big fella

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Re: Under The Pump in 2013
« Reply #48 on: November 29, 2012, 04:19:59 PM »
I would hope all of newman, Jackson & Tuck spend time at Coburg this season. If that happens the team is genuinely on the up.
Tuck is one of our best most consistent players. If uninjured and in the same form as last year, if he plays VFL this year I will start barracking for The Pies

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Re: Under The Pump in 2013
« Reply #49 on: November 29, 2012, 06:26:09 PM »
Prepare to be shocked. Edwards is a freak and can produce some seriously good football. Not sure why you have a vendetta against him, he's a ripper bloke.
He might be a ripper bloke as so was miller and his ripper hot Mrs. But besides Mrs miller what benefit was he?
Pointless pickup IMO. But purely as a backup plan fair enough.

It's about time we get a settled team that will take us into finals. Then 2014 top four then you could consider an old timer to fill a specific role (if we have need of someone) for 2015,16,17 when we are a triple premiership threat.  :thumbsup
okay all we keep on getting from you is hes a waste . no reason why apart from hes got on the pee a few  times  and he will be 29 next yr. how about you actually tell us why in football terms.
you know strengths weaknesses  performances where he fits in the list flexability etc. you clearly have a problem with age perhaps you can tll us all how we are travelling for experienced players.  is he a different better option than say white omg. will we get more from him than say macdonald,  if your going to bag em put up or shut up. just remember bud we are all waiting and ready to give you poo if you cant make any sense which by the way is quite often.

i could ask for more but i doubt you will even reply and make a legit attempt at answering the very simple questions ive asked that a ten yr old could.
His strengths are his leading marking and kicking for goal. But he's only influential when opposed to a third string backman. Once he's got a decent backman on him he's useless so I suppose with the likes of reiwoldt and Vickery up forward he might be ok for us with a third string backman on him.
The problem I have with him which I have stated over and over if you bothered to read is that I don't feel he's the right fit. Too immature and not fairdinkum as highlighted by his off field problems.

1/ For the club to get an older player for experience as they did with Miller I can understand that he has exemplary character and can help the youngster around the club settle in whilst being an example for the youngsters to follow.
2/ A. Edwards isn't a good example, is very inconsistent and is still a kid in his attitude.
You mention he was on the pee in the off season but consistantly fail to mention he was locked up and fined. So he can't be trusted even at his age than what sort of example is that going to be to impressionable youngsters coming through.
3/ It's the last thing we need at this time in our team development.
4/ The club got him for added depth so in my opinion they shouldn't play him unless all other options are fully exhausted and even then I doubt he'll be effective at all.
Just my opinion claw.

and as i keep on pointing out your guesses are wrong. i say guesses because that is what they are.
i numbered each section of the above post so heres the reply
1/ we got miller to actually perform a role while kids developed into that role. when we got miller we effectively had just one established tall forward in jack and he was a baby himself. miller was also reported to be a very good club man. the lack of experienced players along with the above made miller a very good choice. of course if a very good 25 yr old was available to us without paying the earth in picks,   im sure we would have gone that route instead of miller.there was huge benefits in taking miller if you cant see this then your blind.

to me an ideal tall forward  list set up would be 2 mature that is 25 thru 30 plus. 2 developing tall forwards aged 22 thru 24, 2 junior tall forwards 18 thru 21. my only gripe with miller is while  he did fill every need he  imo was never good enough to warrant taking. i dont have that problem with edwards. but miller at least could fulfill a role while the kids developed.
our tall forwards in 2011, riewoldt 22yrs development player still. vickery had done nothing 21yrs junior  and taken as a ruckman, griffiths 20yrs junior now a supposed backman. astbury 20 yrs junior being developed as a backman god knows why.in an ideal world we probably should have only been looking at a full season from jack, getting  an experienced tall was a must.i keep saying age has nothing to do with it.

2/ edwards has had three misdemeanors yes not a good look. but to say edwards is immature and a kid in his outlook to footy is just a figment of your imagination you dont know this. yes hes done some silly things on the pee perhaps he shouldnt drink, but we all do silly things on the pee every now and then even at 30, 40,  50. id say rather than being immature and a really bad person whos a lousy influence on others he just doesnt handle his booze too well.
his record at nm says and i must reiterate this says he was a damn hard worker good with his peers willing to lend a hand etc and very well liked. to suggest hes a bad influence on anyone is just a nonsense his record says otherwise.
yes he got locked up to sober up i wasnt aware he got fined but did he go on a rampage threatening anyone or did just have too many and was staggering around locked up more for his own good than anything else. when you get drunk you stagger around sometimes. what has getting fined got to do with it if he hadnt got got pulled up by the cops noone would even care as most reasonable people think theres nothing wrong with getting on the booze in your off season if not then when they entitled to let their hair down even at that old old age of 28.

hes a medium sized forward and i agree hes inconsistent but isnt that par for the territory. when hes good hes damn good.

3/ whats the last thing we need in our development. how about you tell me exactly where we are with our development and what our needs are.
unlike you after the way our forward line has functioned the last few yrs id say hes exactly what we need in our development both as a player and a bloke who can show the younger players on the track.
this bloke is fair dinkum hes managed to survive in the afl as a med forward for 8 or so yrs. hes done that thru bloody hard work.
he left north yes,  basically he left north after getting an offer from us unlike us north have some talented sml/  medium sized forwards in their system harper comes straight to mind edwards was probably going to struggle to get a game in front of blokes like him so north let him go cheap.

our current medium sized forwards are
b ohanlon 19yrs junior, a edwards 28yrs mature thats it unless you include knights 26yrs mature who is a mid first. in recent times and ive said this before we have gone thru medium sized forwards taylor, macdonald, connors, peterson, morton, and im sure im missing a few.  i see nothing wrong with taking him at 28 and i see nothing wrong with his talent. i dont see much wrong with his attitude and i think him fair dinkum when you look at what medium forwrds we have we sure took him for the now and to shore up in the short term a hole in our list. i fully expect him to be playing most games if fit.

4/ no they did not get him for depth they got him to perform a role hes a type we just dont have as such hes very valuable. i expect him to play a lot of games you dont draft 28 yr olds to sit in the magoos.

we take older players for two  two or three reasons. a lack of experince see miller and edwards does fall into this. to  help with player development by buying younger types time. or they are a cheap need to fill a role so we can climb. in a lot of cases it is for all  reasons.  id say edwards fits all 3.

so at the end of the day we are poles apart and disagree.

personally i would deasrly have loved to take maloney and martin as free agents as well and cut hacks like white and mcguane rather than resigning them. with an inordinate amount of juniors on the list im more than happy for us to take another 4 or 5 players 24 plus.

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Re: Under The Pump in 2013
« Reply #50 on: November 29, 2012, 07:05:33 PM »
he got fined because thats automatic when you get picked up for being drunk in the nanny state. You can bet your bottom dollar the filth have quotas to fill on the weekends to fill the govt coffers.

I wonder if mr righteousness would feel the same way if we traded buddy just before he got caught doing 90 in a 50 zone?

I know which offense is more likely to kill someone.

Kiwi tiger mentioned that aaron edwards was working hard in the drills in his reports on Big Footy. I gather he must be mistaken.
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Re: Under The Pump in 2013
« Reply #51 on: November 29, 2012, 08:09:02 PM »
he got fined because thats automatic when you get picked up for being drunk in the nanny state. You can bet your bottom dollar the filth have quotas to fill on the weekends to fill the govt coffers.

I wonder if mr righteousness would feel the same way if we traded buddy just before he got caught doing 90 in a 50 zone?


Don't forget to mention that you get 'locked up' if you are picked up for being drunk when you're on your own, as then you nor anyone else can sue the police for anything you do while inebriated. Also so you can't say you don't recall being fined. You're fine to go once you sober up or released into custody of friends or family. If you're with a group of mates they fine you but don't pick you up as you become the responsibility of your friends.

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Re: Under The Pump in 2013
« Reply #52 on: November 29, 2012, 08:32:47 PM »
Claw,
You say he wasn't recruited for depth.
If you read what Craig Cameron says he provides the reason for recruiting A.Edwards.

"We felt we needed another forward to bring in," Richmond football manager Craig Cameron told Trade Week Radio.

"Brad Miller obviously retired at the end of this year and we suffered a little bit when Tyrone Vickery went down last year in terms of our goal output.

"Aaron was available, we saw it as an area we were probably at risk if we had a number of injuries, so we thought for a fourth-round draft pick it wasn't a bad trade."

The Tigers last qualified for the finals back in 2001, but they have been steadily improving under coach Damien Hardwick, and are focused on reaching the top eight in 2013.

The club has been happy to blood youngsters in recent years, Cameron said, but the time had come to add depth to an improving list.

"When we got injuries last year we were bringing in a lot of kids that weren't quite ready," he said.

"While that's been OK in the last couple of years in trying to give them experience, it's really important for us to give our squad a chance to play finals next year.

"If we get injuries, we don't want to be going back to guys who have played one game or no games or kids who just aren't ready.

"We'd prefer seasoned players running out for us."

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/150233/default.aspx

Clearly by what Craig is saying he'd be used primarily as a back up plan if;
a) we get injuries to key forwards
b) we are still in line for a finals spot

And that's fair enough as long as he pulls his head in and doesn't do those stupid things he's already done at 2 other clubs. Stupid enough for those clubs to let him go. You don't think they were a big deal but it was a big enough deal to those clubs that got rid of him.
If he's such a great player they probably would have persisted and not let him go for nothing.

He is purely there for depth not as a starting forward and as he never was recruited for that purpose.
I don't think he should be used for any other reason.
If we are decimated by injury and finals are beyond us then just bring on the kids playing him then would be pointless.

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Re: Under The Pump in 2013
« Reply #53 on: November 29, 2012, 10:35:28 PM »
he got fined because thats automatic when you get picked up for being drunk in the nanny state. You can bet your bottom dollar the filth have quotas to fill on the weekends to fill the govt coffers.

I wonder if mr righteousness would feel the same way if we traded buddy just before he got caught doing 90 in a 50 zone?

I know which offense is more likely to kill someone.

Kiwi tiger mentioned that aaron edwards was working hard in the drills in his reports on Big Footy. I gather he must be mistaken.

do you live in Victoria, just saying. How do you know you get locked up if your drunk? are you there all the time?

a slight exageration if i have ever heard one.

both are bad decisions but lets remember  Edwards (north days) involved drink driving and refusing a breatho. Make your own assumptions why

i think he will be an okay selection and kick 20/30 goals. but lets not kid ourselves he has  priors
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Re: Under The Pump in 2013
« Reply #54 on: November 29, 2012, 10:41:09 PM »
sometimes your comprehension skill truly amazes me daniel.
either slow down and read what is written or seek out some remedial English lessons.
“For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways my ways,” says the Lord.
 
“For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are my ways higher than your ways,
And my thoughts than your thoughts."

Yahweh? or the great Clawski?

yaw rehto eht dellorcs ti fi daer ot reisae eb dluow tI

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Re: Under The Pump in 2013
« Reply #55 on: November 29, 2012, 10:58:22 PM »
sometimes your comprehension skill truly amazes me daniel.
either slow down and read what is written or seek out some remedial English lessons.

nice deflection pal.
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Re: Under The Pump in 2013
« Reply #56 on: November 30, 2012, 01:51:03 AM »

You mention he was on the pee in the off season but consistantly fail to mention he was locked up and fined. So he can't be trusted even at his age than what sort of example is that going to be to impressionable youngsters coming through.

Is your problem that he was drinking, or that he got done for it?

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Re: Under The Pump in 2013
« Reply #57 on: November 30, 2012, 08:16:40 AM »
sometimes your comprehension skill truly amazes me daniel.
either slow down and read what is written or seek out some remedial English lessons.

nice deflection pal.
how is it a deflection when you make comments that have nothing to do with what i said, pal?

Please explain, pal!

“For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways my ways,” says the Lord.
 
“For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are my ways higher than your ways,
And my thoughts than your thoughts."

Yahweh? or the great Clawski?

yaw rehto eht dellorcs ti fi daer ot reisae eb dluow tI

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Re: Under The Pump in 2013
« Reply #58 on: November 30, 2012, 09:42:50 AM »
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Re: Under The Pump in 2013
« Reply #59 on: November 30, 2012, 03:53:18 PM »
In general, most of the time - Claws posts are too succinct
It's that simple Spud
"I discussed (it) with my three daughters, my wife and my 82-year-old mum, because it has really affected me … If those comments … were made about one of my daughters, it would make the hairs on the back of my neck stand up. I would not have liked it at all.”