Author Topic: Under The Pump in 2013  (Read 12284 times)

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Re: Under The Pump in 2013
« Reply #60 on: November 30, 2012, 04:23:18 PM »
In general, most of the time - Claws posts are too succinct

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Re: Under The Pump in 2013
« Reply #61 on: November 30, 2012, 07:03:49 PM »

You mention he was on the pee in the off season but consistantly fail to mention he was locked up and fined. So he can't be trusted even at his age than what sort of example is that going to be to impressionable youngsters coming through.

Is your problem that he was drinking, or that he got done for it?

The issue I have is that he has a colourful history of off-field issue is given another chance at his third club and what is the outcome 3 days after being given a third chance?
I don't have a problem with players drinking in the off season as long as they behave.
I look at it this way...if I was close to 30 y/o and my career drawing to a close with one final chance to make one last crack at it. To make that one last impact at a club that was on the rise. To help them get to the holy grail of finals footy I'd probably make some changes to my behavior off field especially since I have had a history of issues in the past.
Whether its not drinking or not going out to drink or both a mature decision would be made considering my history when on the pee.
Some people are just muppets when on the pee or even the smell of it can cause their behavior to escalate into muppethood.
Claw seems to think this fellow is a decent player. I don't feel he was worth the risk but as Cameron has already pointed out he felt Edwards was worth a late pick to add depth incase our forward line had a run of injuries. That's fair enough.
I for one won't be pinning our hopes on a finals berth on him playing.
I think we won't need him to make finals.
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Re: Under The Pump in 2013
« Reply #62 on: November 30, 2012, 08:40:54 PM »
On the way back from my run along the beach tonight, saw the coppers pick up a bloke, about mid 20s, because he had the wobbles about 200m up the road from the Mentone Hotel. Can guarantee he did nothing else wrong because I saw him leave the pub, and saw the bike copper pull him up down the road, notify him for drunk and disorderly, and retained him until a van rocked up. Does that make him a bad person, Tigra? Reckon his new nickname will be 'lock up'?

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Re: Under The Pump in 2013
« Reply #63 on: November 30, 2012, 08:52:20 PM »
too much paperwork and very little revenue to go and uphold the law about serving intoxicated people at the pub.
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Re: Under The Pump in 2013
« Reply #64 on: November 30, 2012, 09:10:29 PM »
On the way back from my run along the beach tonight, saw the coppers pick up a bloke, about mid 20s, because he had the wobbles about 200m up the road from the Mentone Hotel. Can guarantee he did nothing else wrong because I saw him leave the pub, and saw the bike copper pull him up down the road, notify him for drunk and disorderly, and retained him until a van rocked up. Does that make him a bad person, Tigra? Reckon his new nickname will be 'lock up'?

I never ever said he was a bad person. Not once.
But I did say I didn't think Edwards was a good fit for us. Too risky in my opinion given his past history.
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Re: Under The Pump in 2013
« Reply #65 on: November 30, 2012, 10:28:15 PM »
too much paperwork and very little revenue to go and uphold the law about serving intoxicated people at the pub.
Isn't it a big issue up north Al?
Can't by a slab there without your ID.
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Re: Under The Pump in 2013
« Reply #66 on: November 30, 2012, 11:02:48 PM »
nah, the CLP scrapped that. their mates were not selling enough grog.

I think all jurisdictions have some form of protective custody for those that are overly drunk in public, but you generally have to be literally legless.

Nor is it a revenue raiser up here as most of the people taken in wouldn't be able to afford the large fine they lay on you in victoria

 
“For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways my ways,” says the Lord.
 
“For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are my ways higher than your ways,
And my thoughts than your thoughts."

Yahweh? or the great Clawski?

yaw rehto eht dellorcs ti fi daer ot reisae eb dluow tI

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Re: Under The Pump in 2013
« Reply #67 on: November 30, 2012, 11:13:57 PM »

I think all jurisdictions have some form of protective custody for those that are overly drunk in public, but you generally have to be literally legless.


Not as much as you think. If they fined you for D&D, then let you go and you injured yourself or somebody else, they open themselves up to all sorts of legal problems. If you're with mates or family or something you become their responsibility instead.

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Re: Under The Pump in 2013
« Reply #68 on: December 03, 2012, 09:31:49 PM »

You mention he was on the pee in the off season but consistantly fail to mention he was locked up and fined. So he can't be trusted even at his age than what sort of example is that going to be to impressionable youngsters coming through.

Is your problem that he was drinking, or that he got done for it?

Claw seems to think this fellow is a decent player. I don't feel he was worth the risk but as Cameron has already pointed out he felt Edwards was worth a late pick to add depth incase our forward line had a run of injuries. That's fair enough.
I for one won't be pinning our hopes on a finals berth on him playing.
I think we won't need him to make finals.
apology first. you are entitled to your opinion i dont mean to demean it. 
i also apogise for not replying to the post about cameron i go out of my way to read all posts but havent. i feel like we are going around in circles.

the above
yes i think edwards can play when hes good hes good but like all permanent forwards it can get a bit lean at times.

i dont think him depth not when you have just two medium sized forwards on the list. one a psd pick still aged 19 with a long way to go in ohanlon. the other being edwards.hes a medium sized forward not a lot different to morton or even wce  lecras where marking and leading is more the go.
 
we are not arguing type here hes not a tall and does more than enough on the grond.
 i expect two kpfs  one ruck/for, one med forward and possibly two sml forwards as the structure.
just my opinion but one reason why our forward line has been dysfunctional and one dimensional is we have had to put up with 3 runts and 3 bean poles if you like.theres no flexability. or option to go to plan b.
on craig cameron can i give you a tip dont trust a word he says he has nfi. maybe he meant edwards improves depth in a deficient area. our list has taken forever to even remotely look structured  and thats after 6 yrs of this bloke. hes got so much wrong im gobsmacked he still has a job to be honest.

finally im not pinning my hopes on us making finals because we got a edwards.  but i as sure as hell think he improves our list and our med forward stocks.
im not sure if we need him to make finals either but im damn sure he gives us a better chance of getting there.
if finals are the go for 2012 i would have taken moloney and martin as well as chaplin knights and edwards. id also be looking at at least two mature rookies.

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Re: Under The Pump in 2013
« Reply #69 on: December 03, 2012, 09:51:23 PM »
In general, most of the time - Claws posts are too succinct
hhhaaaarrrrgggghhh as you wish my son more details shall be the go.

anyway i am trying to be more  how does one say it oh yeah succinct.
how about for starters
stuff you!!!!!.  :whistle

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Re: Under The Pump in 2013
« Reply #70 on: December 04, 2012, 02:22:05 PM »
Claw, You seem to be ignoring Helbig totally in your posts about medium forwards.
I'm not saying Helbig is an answer to the lack of medium forwards but he is an option and, along with the resting mids like Cotchin, Martin and Deledio, gives us more than simply the TWO choices you've highlighted in your previous post.
 

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Re: Under The Pump in 2013
« Reply #71 on: December 04, 2012, 04:24:45 PM »
where did helbig play as a junior?

coz that determines what he is. lets not continue to try to turn players into something they are not.
“For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways my ways,” says the Lord.
 
“For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are my ways higher than your ways,
And my thoughts than your thoughts."

Yahweh? or the great Clawski?

yaw rehto eht dellorcs ti fi daer ot reisae eb dluow tI

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Re: Under The Pump in 2013
« Reply #72 on: December 04, 2012, 04:48:50 PM »
where did helbig play as a junior?

coz that determines what he is. lets not continue to try to turn players into something they are not.

was mostly a half forward flanker, daiynne beamz stylz

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Re: Under The Pump in 2013
« Reply #73 on: December 04, 2012, 04:57:39 PM »
where did helbig play as a junior?

coz that determines what he is. lets not continue to try to turn players into something they are not.

was mostly a half forward flanker, daiynne beamz stylz

Find that hard to believe - was the Waikerie middle group so strong they had the luxury of playing Helbig forward?


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Re: Under The Pump in 2013
« Reply #74 on: December 04, 2012, 05:06:49 PM »
where did helbig play as a junior?

coz that determines what he is. lets not continue to try to turn players into something they are not.

was mostly a half forward flanker, daiynne beamz stylz

Find that hard to believe - was the Waikerie middle group so strong they had the luxury of playing Helbig forward?

Played HFF for Westies mate