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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on December 11, 2012, 11:24:43 AM
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Welcome to the Big O
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crap
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Lulz
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Welcome to Rejectmond :sleep
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Gus mkII
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never in doubt that pick 1 YEAR deal
GO U TIGERS
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(http://mm.afl.com.au/Portals/0/images_richmond/orrenrich_246b.jpg)
Orren Stephenson profile
Date of birth: 15/7/1982
Height: 200cm
Weight: 104kg
Former clubs: Geelong, North Ballarat (VFL)
AFL games: 8
AFL goals: 1
Richmond has extended the career of former Geelong ruckman Orren Stephenson, selecting him as a rookie for season 2013.
Stephenson was invited to train with the Tigers after he was delisted by the Cats at the end of the 2012 season and he showed enough for the Club to give him a second chance at AFL level.
The 30-year-old played eight games for Geelong in 2012, after being selected with pick 78 in the 2011 AFL National Draft.
He made his league debut in Round 1 this year, playing six games in the first half of the season and two more in Rounds 19-20, before suffering a hand injury.
Stephenson returned from injury at VFL level, playing in Geelong’s premiership victory over Port Melbourne.
Before being recruited by the Cats, Stephenson enjoyed significant success at VFL level with North Ballarat, playing in three consecutive premierships from 2008-10.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/152304/default.aspx
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Cadeyn Williams
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LMAO
What do people expect to pick up - 3 brownlow favorites?
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Insurance for Ivan and will give the 'Bean' some time to develop under him at the burgers.
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LMAO
What do people expect to pick up - 3 brownlow favorites?
Still pinching myself we got these guys :shh
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LMAO
What do people expect to pick up - 3 brownlow favorites?
Still pinching myself we got these guys :shh
I was just stopped in the street and congratulated!!
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LMAO
What do people expect to pick up - 3 brownlow favorites?
Still pinching myself we got these guys :shh
:clapping
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LMAO
What do people expect to pick up - 3 brownlow favorites?
Still pinching myself we got these guys :shh
I was just stopped in the street and congratulated!!
Matt Dea just crossed the road to tell me whoa :shh
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Borry :cheers
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Pick 36: Orren Stephenson
Francis Jackson says:
"He's obviously a ruckman who played eight games last year for the Cats and coming in as a mature-age player is ready to go as well. He played really good footy for Geelong and previously with North Ballarat so once again it's just adding depth to our list and someone who can actually come in and is ready to go."
VIDEO: Stephenson's highlights ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/tabid/11454/contentid/509160/stephenson+highlights/default.aspx
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Insurance for Ivan and will give the 'Bean' some time to develop under him at the burgers.
Agree
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Orren Stephenson @BigO_37 twitter:
"Handle changed and rapt to be at @Richmond_FC #gotiges2013 thanks for all the tweets of support"
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I reckon this bloke will shove it up the proverbial of the regular doubters
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Got feeling of that do.Has point to prove and the games he played he looked better then West at times.
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I reckon this bloke will shove it up the proverbial of the regular doubters
Are Coburg supporters still shattered over Browne leaving?
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No regrets for the Big O
By Tony Greenberg
richmondfc.com.au
7:21pm AEDT Thursday, December 13, 2012
New mature-age Richmond ruckman Orren Stephenson doesn’t want to die wondering.
That’s why the 30-year-old father of three is more than happy to take his chances on the Tigers’ rookie list, rather than opt for the more financially-secure alternative of his full-time career as a Telstra technician, plus part-time football.
Read the full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2012-12-13/no-regrets-for-the-big-o-
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No regrets for the Big O
By Tony Greenberg
richmondfc.com.au
7:21pm AEDT Thursday, December 13, 2012
New mature-age Richmond ruckman Orren Stephenson doesn’t want to die wondering.
That’s why the 30-year-old father of three is more than happy to take his chances on the Tigers’ rookie list, rather than opt for the more financially-secure alternative of his full-time career as a Telstra technician, plus part-time football.
Read the full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2012-12-13/no-regrets-for-the-big-o-
and why wouldn't he.
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lol
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Richmond recruit Orren Stephenson convinced he can make significant inroads next year
Rebecca Williams
From: Herald Sun
December 21, 2012
MATURE-aged rookie Orren Stephenson is confident there is still plenty of room for his game to grow after being thrown a lifeline by Richmond.
The 30-year-old recruit felt he made some big gains in his 12 months as an AFL player, but feared his chances of extending his league fairytale beyond one season were thin.
Stephenson played eight games for Geelong this year, before being de-listed by the Cats after the arrival of former Kangaroos ruckman Hamish McIntosh in the trade period.
Stephenson was given another chance after being rookie-listed by the Tigers and is convinced he will be a better player next year.
"I am just stoked to get another opportunity to play AFL footy, or the chance to be on the AFL program for another year," Stephenson said.
"I certainly felt the gains that I made in this 12 months just gone were pretty big, so I think there is still plenty of opportunity for me to grow as well.
"I think the biggest thing was that I am aware that I am more than capable of playing AFL footy.
"I know after one pre-season and now another full pre-season I am going to be a lot better again."
Stephenson was one of the feelgood stories of the 2011 national draft when he was taken by the Cats at No.78 after playing in three consecutive VFL flags with North Ballarat.
He made his AFL debut in Round 1 against Fremantle and finished the year with another VFL flag, this time with the Cats - his fourth.
But two months in "limbo" after his departure from Geelong, Stephenson had started planning for the prospect that his short taste of AFL could be over.
"I had started to open the doors back up into my work side of things," the father of three admitted.
"But I was a firm believer that if an opportunity arose I would take it on and it did."
Stephenson was one of three "recycled" players rookie-listed by the Tigers, along with ex-Essendon midfielder Sam Lonergan and delisted Melbourne forward Ricky Petterd.
"It's exciting times, another opportunity for the three of us," he said.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/richmond-recruit-orren-stephenson-convinced-he-can-make-significant-inroads-next-year/story-e6frf9jf-1226541375065
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Much better option than Wood. Hope he goes well.
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I agree MM
Although a manequinn and a bottle of berroca is better than wood :shh
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:lol
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Adding strings to Orren’s bow
By Adrian Ceddia
richmondfc.com.au
Friday, January 11, 2013
Richmond’s mature-aged recruit, Orren Stephenson, is determined to enhance his flexibility as a ruckman, to give himself the best chance of success at Tigerland.
Stephenson was recruited to the Club via the recent AFL Rookie Draft, and has been working on his forward-line craft to enhance his repertoire.
“I try to have a presence around the ground, and around the contest. Those are my strengths,” Stephenson said.
"But I think there’s plenty of development for me to be had. You can’t be expected to play ruck all day.
“One of the areas the game is changing is that the ruckmen have to be able to go forward, and not actually rest, but to create a contest and kick a couple of goals a game.”
Read more and the full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-01-11/adding-strings-to-orrens-bow
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AUDIO: Orren Stephenson on SEN ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2013-01-11/stephenson-on-sen
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i still have to ask. where does this leave tom derickx ? and what role is tom to have? is he a ruckman or not. surely by now and age 25 26 if ivan goies down derickx is capable of filling in. apparently not it seems.
if derickx at age 25 is not going to be the back up ruckman to ivan why did we keep him.
they cant have much faith in his abilty to ruck if they had to go out and get a 30 yr old ruckman.
we wont be playing both ivan and orren on game day. im under the impression that vickery is to be our future ruckman, and is the current ruck/for. i still cant work out, if this is the case, why we play him at chf.
i still ask what role is vickery to play ? chf or ruck/for.is he to be our future #1 ruckman ?who knows there doesnt seem to be any logic in this area.
dont mean to do it but i still think a list of
maric #1 ruckman
martin #2 ruck / forward who is capable of doing ivans job if he goes down injured. this bloke would have put heaps of pressure on vickery to perform.
hannath a ready to go 21 yr old GENUINE ruckman who is a better option than derickx .i reckon he could fill in for ivan if need be.unlike orren he has huge upside and a long future.
derickx He would have one more yr to show something. and if he does show something he provides real depth and competition.
mcbean a very long term ruck option. who would have plenty of time to develop in the magoos. i still think hes a future kpd.
mcbean is at least 3 yrs away from playing ruck in the afl. thats probably optimistic.that is if he ever becomes a ruckman.
just seems to me theres a lot of bets being hedged in this area and little proper planning for the long term. it really does seem we are doing the bare minimum here.
one thing for sure there are a lot things that need answering.
any way welcome aboard orren im sure you will give it everything you have. that has to be better than anything graham ever gave us.
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dont mean to do it but..
Bull.
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i still have to ask. where does this leave tom derickx ? and what role is tom to have? is he a ruckman or not. surely by now and age 25 26 if ivan goies down derickx is capable of filling in. apparently not it seems.
if derickx at age 25 is not going to be the back up ruckman to ivan why did we keep him.
they cant have much faith in his abilty to ruck if they had to go out and get a 30 yr old ruckman.
we wont be playing both ivan and orren on game day. im under the impression that vickery is to be our future ruckman, and is the current ruck/for. i still cant work out, if this is the case, why we play him at chf.
i still ask what role is vickery to play ? chf or ruck/for.is he to be our future #1 ruckman ?who knows there doesnt seem to be any logic in this area.
dont mean to do it but i still think a list of
maric #1 ruckman
martin #2 ruck / forward who is capable of doing ivans job if he goes down injured. this bloke would have put heaps of pressure on vickery to perform.
hannath a ready to go 21 yr old GENUINE ruckman who is a better option than derickx .i reckon he could fill in for ivan if need be.unlike orren he has huge upside and a long future.
derickx He would have one more yr to show something. and if he does show something he provides real depth and competition.
mcbean a very long term ruck option. who would have plenty of time to develop in the magoos. i still think hes a future kpd.
mcbean is at least 3 yrs away from playing ruck in the afl. thats probably optimistic.that is if he ever becomes a ruckman.
just seems to me theres a lot of bets being hedged in this area and little proper planning for the long term. it really does seem we are doing the bare minimum here.
one thing for sure there are a lot things that need answering.
any way welcome aboard orren im sure you will give it everything you have. that has to be better than anything graham ever gave us.
Ivan is our number 1 and Vickery is to be a 2nd or 3rd tall that can give Ivan a chop out 5-10 mins a qtr. Long term who knows if Vickery is the number 1, I guess we see how he develops over the next few years in that area. Nothing wrong with that approach as you dont want to throw him to the wolves too early when hes not physically ready. Its a bonus that he's mobile enough to play as a bonafide fwd.
You would think Xman is next in line, its his last chance this season, if he doesnt stand up he'll get the chop. Big O is surely just insurance incase Xman cant stand the heat. Should have gone another 23-25 y/o as insurance imo, if Xman gets the arse end of the year and Big O cant go on, we are once again very thin in the ruck stocks and will need to replace them both.
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i still have to ask. where does this leave tom derickx ? and what role is tom to have? is he a ruckman or not. surely by now and age 25 26 if ivan goies down derickx is capable of filling in. apparently not it seems.
if derickx at age 25 is not going to be the back up ruckman to ivan why did we keep him.
they cant have much faith in his abilty to ruck if they had to go out and get a 30 yr old ruckman.
we wont be playing both ivan and orren on game day. im under the impression that vickery is to be our future ruckman, and is the current ruck/for. i still cant work out, if this is the case, why we play him at chf.
i still ask what role is vickery to play ? chf or ruck/for.is he to be our future #1 ruckman ?who knows there doesnt seem to be any logic in this area.
dont mean to do it but i still think a list of
maric #1 ruckman
martin #2 ruck / forward who is capable of doing ivans job if he goes down injured. this bloke would have put heaps of pressure on vickery to perform.
hannath a ready to go 21 yr old GENUINE ruckman who is a better option than derickx .i reckon he could fill in for ivan if need be.unlike orren he has huge upside and a long future.
derickx He would have one more yr to show something. and if he does show something he provides real depth and competition.
mcbean a very long term ruck option. who would have plenty of time to develop in the magoos. i still think hes a future kpd.
mcbean is at least 3 yrs away from playing ruck in the afl. thats probably optimistic.that is if he ever becomes a ruckman.
just seems to me theres a lot of bets being hedged in this area and little proper planning for the long term. it really does seem we are doing the bare minimum here.
one thing for sure there are a lot things that need answering.
any way welcome aboard orren im sure you will give it everything you have. that has to be better than anything graham ever gave us.
Ivan is our number 1 and Vickery is to be a 2nd or 3rd tall that can give Ivan a chop out 5-10 mins a qtr. Long term who knows if Vickery is the number 1, I guess we see how he develops over the next few years in that area. Nothing wrong with that approach as you dont want to throw him to the wolves too early when hes not physically ready. Its a bonus that he's mobile enough to play as a bonafide fwd.
You would think Xman is next in line, its his last chance this season, if he doesnt stand up he'll get the chop. Big O is surely just insurance incase Xman cant stand the heat. Should have gone another 23-25 y/o as insurance imo, if Xman gets the arse end of the year and Big O cant go on, we are once again very thin in the ruck stocks and will need to replace them both.
agreed its pretty much what i said.
one question.
if vickery is to be our#1 ruckman in a couple of yrs id say he must start assuming more and more of the ruck duties. if a game goes 120 minutes he needs to ruck at least 10 minutes a quarter.
what should his forward role be certainly not chf ffs. he needs to play out of a pocket and be a long marking target when forward.
if im critical of hardwick it is the way we constantly structure up.
while on vickery hes entering yr 5 would you not think they would have a decent idea by now of where he will play.they cant be sure he will end up a #1 ruckman would it not be prudent to assume the worst after 4 yrs and target another around his age to take over from ivan. seems not.
im critical of list management because as you say if and they are not big ifs derickx fails and orren goes for a yr or two the already suspect ruck stocks are back in the poo. if vickery doesnt make it as a ruckman and i have seen absolutely nothing to suggest he will be a bona fide #1 ruckman then it becomes dire indeed. yet we seem to be doing the bare minimum in this area.
they talk up mcbean as the future he may be 15feet tall but hes as heavy as some smalls. it will take a lot of time to get him even physically to afl standard to play ruck.
i dunno it just seems we are going about our rucks in the wrong way again.
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But you said that when we recruited maric
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other than one or two extraordinary exceptions (natanui) most ruckmen dont hit their peak until post 25..Our ruck stocks at moment are excellent.
there is no need to panic nor rush Ty
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But you said that when we recruited maric
did i when we recruited ivan what 15 months ago exactly what did i say. being such a long time ago perhaps you can refresh our memories.or better still conjure up a post or two.
i know i was certainly against useing pick 35 to get himas i value highly 2nd rnd picks. i certainly wasnt against us getting him though.
our ruck stocks in 2011 included
browne, derickx,graham, and vickery pretty dire if you ask me.
i have to ask out side of having 27 yr old maric what has really changed
mcbean for browne who is at least 3 or 4 yrs away from playing ruck if at all. there was a question about this kid being a ruckman when we took him.browne actually looked a more likely ruckman.
we have replaced graham with stephenson a stop gap if ever there was one. so next yr or the yr after we are looking for his replacement. it never ends constantly looking for ruckmen.
dericks is still there and done nothing still. based on what hes done to date his age where we have played him not in the ruck, and the fact we got orren stephenson i dont like his chances of making it do you.
the same questions about vickery are being asked. and we continue to hedge our bets in how we play him.he certainly is not capable of holding down the #1 ruck spot.we play him at chf and expect him to be a second ruck what a joke.
yep if not for ivan the ruck stocks would be diabolical. what has really changed.
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The biggest IF for next season is whether there is any problem with Ivan.
He had a groin injury that he played with last year and it has been treated with rest and rehabilitation to repair the damage.
Consider McGuane carried a groin injury for three years which slowly got worse until he required surgery last off season.
Consider that if Ivan goes down in the first month what our ruck options look like.
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But you said that when we recruited maric
did i when we recruited ivan what 15 months ago exactly what did i say. being such a long time ago perhaps you can refresh our memories.or better still conjure up a post or two.
for some reason the search function on Big Footy wont bring up your posts in the thread about ivan being recruited, but heres one.
cmon doris maric is very much a now trade. he may be an improvement but surely hes not the long term.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/ivan-maric-shaping-up-as-richmonds-hard-man.893009/#post-22906566
and an admission that you critised him
ive criticised ivaan maric a fair bit
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/nab-cup-rd-1-v-hawthorn-v-north-melbourne-feb-17th-etihad-stadium-6-45pm.901824/page-11#post-23385686
as with all your posts, you critised the club for his recruitment, and isnt that saying
i dunno it just seems we are going about our rucks in the wrong way again.
even if your only critisim was we should not have given up pick 35 for him? ( which was not your only critisim of him, you were of the belief that what he had shown so far was pretty much what you would get in the future.)
The funny thing is that you somehow conjure up the notion that getting stephenson as a rookie means the that the club thinks derrickx will not make it, yet have you not called for more rucks to be on the list?
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agreed its pretty much what i said.
one question.
if vickery is to be our#1 ruckman in a couple of yrs id say he must start assuming more and more of the ruck duties. if a game goes 120 minutes he needs to ruck at least 10 minutes a quarter.
what should his forward role be certainly not chf ffs. he needs to play out of a pocket and be a long marking target when forward.
if im critical of hardwick it is the way we constantly structure up.
while on vickery hes entering yr 5 would you not think they would have a decent idea by now of where he will play.they cant be sure he will end up a #1 ruckman would it not be prudent to assume the worst after 4 yrs and target another around his age to take over from ivan. seems not.
im critical of list management because as you say if and they are not big ifs derickx fails and orren goes for a yr or two the already suspect ruck stocks are back in the poo. if vickery doesnt make it as a ruckman and i have seen absolutely nothing to suggest he will be a bona fide #1 ruckman then it becomes dire indeed. yet we seem to be doing the bare minimum in this area.
they talk up mcbean as the future he may be 15feet tall but hes as heavy as some smalls. it will take a lot of time to get him even physically to afl standard to play ruck.
i dunno it just seems we are going about our rucks in the wrong way again.
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Vickery usually does play out of the pocket when we play 3 talls, only time I've seen him play CHF is when we only had two talls. And how can you say you've seen nothing to suggest Vickery can play ruck when he has gone to ruck and performed really well but then say Hannath is a garentee to be a walk up start #1 ruck when he never even played a game of AFL?
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But you said that when we recruited maric
did i when we recruited ivan what 15 months ago exactly what did i say. being such a long time ago perhaps you can refresh our memories.or better still conjure up a post or two.
for some reason the search function on Big Footy wont bring up your posts in the thread about ivan being recruited, but heres one.
cmon doris maric is very much a now trade. he may be an improvement but surely hes not the long term.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/ivan-maric-shaping-up-as-richmonds-hard-man.893009/#post-22906566
and an admission that you critised him
ive criticised ivaan maric a fair bit
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/nab-cup-rd-1-v-hawthorn-v-north-melbourne-feb-17th-etihad-stadium-6-45pm.901824/page-11#post-23385686
as with all your posts, you critised the club for his recruitment, and isnt that saying
i dunno it just seems we are going about our rucks in the wrong way again.
even if your only critisim was we should not have given up pick 35 for him? ( which was not your only critisim of him, you were of the belief that what he had shown so far was pretty much what you would get in the future.)
The funny thing is that you somehow conjure up the notion that getting stephenson as a rookie means the that the club thinks derrickx will not make it, yet have you not called for more rucks to be on the list?
LOL are Claw and Jackstar the same person
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But you said that when we recruited maric
did i when we recruited ivan what 15 months ago exactly what did i say. being such a long time ago perhaps you can refresh our memories.or better still conjure up a post or two.
for some reason the search function on Big Footy wont bring up your posts in the thread about ivan being recruited, but heres one.
1/ cmon doris maric is very much a now trade. he may be an improvement but surely hes not the long term.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/ivan-maric-shaping-up-as-richmonds-hard-man.893009/#post-22906566
2/ and an admission that you critised him
ive criticised ivaan maric a fair bit
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/nab-cup-rd-1-v-hawthorn-v-north-melbourne-feb-17th-etihad-stadium-6-45pm.901824/page-11#post-23385686
3/ as with all your posts, you critised the club for his recruitment, and isnt that saying
i dunno it just seems we are going about our rucks in the wrong way again.
even if your only critisim was we should not have given up pick 35 for him? ( which was not your only critisim of him, you were of the belief that what he had shown so far was pretty much what you would get in the future.)
4/ The funny thing is that you somehow conjure up the notion that getting stephenson as a rookie means the that the club thinks derrickx will not make it, yet have you not called for more rucks to be on the list?
oh deary me you really are grasping at straws. ive taken the liberty to number each point.
1/ the major criticism i had of us taking maric was pick 35. it goes without saying based on what he had done to that point i didnt think him worth pick 35.of course there was criticisms of him what did you expect.
i will say again i wasnt against getting him or any other mature ruckman, but where we got him. reckon i argued long and hard the need for both experienced and junior ruckmen. scott lycett is one i lamented. i wanted us to take sam jacobs in 09 when he was just put on carltons rookie list. go look on pre you will find that in their search engine somewhere.
geez i even think i got it wrong on just what ivan could bring to the table, which i have previously acknowledged, but hey how many would have predicted the yr he had based on his previous 7 seasons.they were average at best.
after 7 yrs and age 26 of course i doubted he could improve. not a lot of players dramatically improve after that amount of time.
based on his age and form i certainly did not see him as a long term prospect either. pretty reasonable argument at the time i reckon.
ya know its pretty easy and gutless to willy nilly bring up singular posts with out the due context.
2/ yep i criticised ivan. why wouldnt i? he was no world beater until last yr. reckon there were a fair few others who criticised his adelaide yrs. but we cant be criticising our players or future recruits now can we. you think ivans 7yrs before he came to us perfect.unbelievable.
3/ wrong again i criticised the club for useing pick 35 and as i have stated i have basically admited they got it right and ivan has been a steal i have strongly voiced the opinion that we need ivans long term replacement and a mature player in case he gets hurt. i dont proclaim to get all things right.out side of ivan i reckon they deserve a lot of criticism in this area.
4/ nothing funny about it at all. just a bit of logic. if the club were confident derickx could fill in if maric got hurt why in hell go out and get a 31 yr old surely a 21 24 yo would have been the go.id say they have their doubts and they should. at age 25 what has he done to date. andrw browne and graham have done more and we cut em. of course ive called for more rucks ive called for them just about every yr for many yrs. thats because in the main we dont ever do enough. i even think orren is a now a must after the way we went about it. do i think we shoulkd have done it different you bet ya.
ive already suggested maric martin hannath derickx and mcbean id even be looking to rookie another cameron symonds is one ive mentioned. instead of maric stephenson derickx and mcbean.
i dont think mcbean a ruckman and as such next yr would definately be looking to take another kid somewhere at the very least.
if you have no doubts about tom great and good for you. thats what we have always done in this area sort of hope instead of making sure theres someone else in the system just in case.
how many young ruckmen have we bought thru at richmond in the last 10 or 15 yrs.
i know lets not have any criticism at all lets all put our collective heads up our arses and pretend we are the best.
ffs jacksons had 8 yrs and cameron 6 and we are yet to make the 8 under them its as if they should be immune from criticism. i know for sure we can do better than these two. their records are not good.
its funny these two have had so long and are almost immune yet hardwick has had 3 yrs and is in the gun according to most i listen to.
i stand by every thing you have bought up and i have acknowledged i got it wrong on maric a fair while ago. i firmly believe ivans replacement should be in our system right now im asking is he i dont think so.
you know what if exactly the same scenario arose again and we were to give up a second rnd pick for a 7 yr player who had struggled and was regularly overtaken by other players id damn well be criticising them again.
from here on in im going to be bringing up old posts so watch what you say and make sure you are clear on your context. its a pain in the arse continually having to defend your point of view which is consistent.
as i said your grasping at straws as usual.
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i firmly believe ivans replacement should be in our system right now im asking is he i dont think so.
He's in the system already, just most likely not ours yet. No need for us to spend the time and take the risk in developing him until our window is truly open and we can shop for someone who will fill the bill perfectly. Would rather us be developing/trialling as many mids and KPP's as we can until we have the ability and depth to win a flag, then go shopping for a ruckman to top it all off.
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jeezus perhaps we should wait for the movie.
lets try and be concise shall we
1:how do you get that i am confident derrickx will make it out of that? :huh
2: was not your critism of the recruitment of maric a critism of the process ( which was my original point)?
3 If you acknowledged you got it wrong and maric why did you challenge me to find posts where you critised him.
4 why is it gutless to find posts like you asked me to. i posted the link to the whole post so the context of the post could be seen?
5 did you or did you not question the process when we got maric ( which is what my original point was?)
6 do you understand what my original point was?
7 Have you posted that we don't have enough rucks on the list, because if you have it makes no sense to then say that because we picked up stephenson it must mean we have no faith in derrickx (which is pretty illogical in itself)? we either had enough rucks or we didn't, which is it?
all but two are yes/no answers. please stay on topic with your answers.
yours sincerely,
Mr Gutless
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Forget it, al. You can't argue with anyone that uses circular reasoning to labour (and I stress the word labour) their own subjective opinion.
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i firmly believe ivans replacement should be in our system right now im asking is he i dont think so.
He's in the system already, just most likely not ours yet. No need for us to spend the time and take the risk in developing him until our window is truly open and we can shop for someone who will fill the bill perfectly. Would rather us be developing/trialling as many mids and KPP's as we can until we have the ability and depth to win a flag, then go shopping for a ruckman to top it all off.
I agree, just because he is not at RFC now doesn't mean he won't be soon.
I have said it before
Jonathon Griffin, offer him more than he's getting now at Freo and a structure he can relate to, He is wasting away sitting on the bench waiting for Turf Toe to hoof it.
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i firmly believe ivans replacement should be in our system right now im asking is he i dont think so.
He's in the system already, just most likely not ours yet. No need for us to spend the time and take the risk in developing him until our window is truly open and we can shop for someone who will fill the bill perfectly. Would rather us be developing/trialling as many mids and KPP's as we can until we have the ability and depth to win a flag, then go shopping for a ruckman to top it all off.
I agree, just because he is not at RFC now doesn't mean he won't be soon.
I have said it before
Jonathon Griffin, offer him more than he's getting now at Freo and a structure he can relate to, He is wasting away sitting on the bench waiting for Turf Toe to hoof it.
Reckon it would be almost impossible to tempt him out of WA, but agree the bloke would be a ripper playing for us. Just the sort we need IMO.
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How many rucks do you want?
Maric
Vickery
Derickx
Elton
McBean
Stephenson
sheesh
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How many rucks do you want?
Maric
Vickery
Derickx
Elton
McBean
Stephenson
sheesh
I reckon we have p p p plenty, any more and someone would start crying that we don't have enough mids,
I am excited abt seeing the X Factor getting a few games this year. I watched him a bit last and thought his decision making, play anticipation and ball delivery was pretty good, hopefully he can step it up to the top level.
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I am excited abt seeing the X Factor getting a few games this year. I watched him a bit last and thought his decision making, play anticipation and ball delivery was pretty good, hopefully he can step it up to the top level.
Holding onto a simple chest mark would be an absolutely spiffing start. :'(
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from here on in im going to be bringing up old posts so watch what you say and make sure you are clear on your context. its a pain in the arse continually having to defend your point of view which is consistent.
as i said your grasping at straws as usual.
Please dont bring up your old posts as no one should be subjected to that eye sore stuff.
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other than one or two extraordinary exceptions (natanui) most ruckmen dont hit their peak until post 25..Our ruck stocks at moment are excellent.
there is no need to panic nor rush Ty
:cheers
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jeezus perhaps we should wait for the movie.
lets try and be concise shall we
1:how do you get that i am confident derrickx will make it out of that? :huh - was going to say what other conclusion could one draw. but the honest answer is a bit of deserved sarcasm.
2: was not your critism of the recruitment of maric a critism of the process ( which was my original point)? - no one knows what your original point is. it came out of thin air and needed a mind reader to interpret it. what was it you said oh yeah. ( but you said that when we recruited maric). was there a criticism of maric in the post you quoted.i dont think so. im still not sure what your on about. just taking the opportunity to have a shot as far as i can see.
3 If you acknowledged you got it wrong and maric why did you challenge me to find posts where you critised him. - did i thats a figment of your rich imagination.i asked you to bring up what i said you chose those posts.
4 why is it gutless to find posts like you asked me to. i posted the link to the whole post so the context of the post could be seen? - lets be real here your just looking for any opportunity to try discredit any one who dares criticise what they the club do. i hadnt criticised ivan at all on this thread but you sure tried to make a point. you even go so far as to basically call me aliar.
5 did you or did you not question the process when we got maric ( which is what my original point was?) - bloody hell is it concievable there is more than one process. where you take players is a process in itself wouldnt you agree or cant you get your head around that simple process.. did i not say we needed mature and younger ruckmen as well. why can you only do/ have one process and not the other. nope its not me who doesnt comprehend.
6 do you understand what my original point was? - clearly not as i said it would take a mind reader to decipher that first post. i thought you were doing nothing more than having a crack.which lets face it you were.
7 Have you posted that we don't have enough rucks on the list, because if you have it makes no sense to then say that because we picked up stephenson it must mean we have no faith in derrickx (which is pretty illogical in itself)? we either had enough rucks or we didn't, which is it? - you know full well ive posted we dont have enough rucks on the list. is it not possible to say this and also say we should have taken someone other than stephenson. bloody hell.
all but two are yes/no answers. please stay on topic with your answers. - lol no they didnt require yes and nos you would have liked that.
yours sincerely,
Mr Gutless
hello mr gutless or whatever it is you are. you have your answers. go dredge some more posts up will ya this is fun, oh in future please learn to make yourself clear its becoming real hard to decipher anything you write ;)
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oh in future please learn to make yourself clear its becoming real hard to decipher anything you write ;)
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oh in future please learn to make yourself clear its becoming real hard to decipher anything you write ;)
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which one are you the mummy or the daddy. or are you just another sheep following mindlessly along.
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Sorry, what was that? Not sure if you're typing in Swahili or submitting a year 4's essay.
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Sorry, what was that? Not sure if you're typing in Swahili or submitting a year 4's essay.
is that it clearly your the mummy. must be painful.
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Correct use:
Your = shows stuffiing possession
You're = you stuffing are
Do you type your own password in or do you get your state appointed carer to do it?
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Correct use:
Your = shows stuffiing possession
You're = you stuffing are
Do you type your own password in or do you get your state appointed carer to do it?
lol an old favorite saying sums that pathetic effort up.
diarrhea of the mouth: constipation of the ideas. surely you can do better.
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hello mr gutless or whatever it is you are. you have your answers. go dredge some more posts up will ya this is fun, oh in future please learn to make yourself clear its becoming real hard to decipher anything you write ;)
:lol
lets see you finished a post with this
i dunno it just seems we are going about our rucks in the wrong way again.
immediately after, i wrote
But you said that when we recruited maric
Is that really that hard to follow?
it seems it is.
Yes you did ask me to find posts about what you said
can refresh our memories.or better still conjure up a post or two.
no i never said you were a liar, real or insinuated. you were the only one that resorted to personal insults.
but now i am detracting from
you finished a post with this
i dunno it just seems we are going about our rucks in the wrong way again.
immediately after, i wrote
But you said that when we recruited maric
which you somehow construed into a mammoth sh!tfight, most of which had nothing do do with the above and consisted largely as has been pointed out, circular arguments
you finished a post with this
i dunno it just seems we are going about our rucks in the wrong way again.
immediately after, i wrote
But you said that when we recruited maric
Is this really that hard to follow?
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someone accused me of talking swahili a little while ago. oh yes dweebo. mate you talk swahili. yet you think i do as well.
it has become a poo fight. we clearly disagree we clearly dont understand what each has said its not worth going over and over. just let it be its not worth it. ive said what i have to say im happy have you said what you want to say if so be happy. we will only go around in circles otherwise.
i stand by what ive said im sure you think the same way. nothings going to change. i have better things to do and say than get into a cock measuring contest with someone i think is deliberately obtuse.
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so it is too hard to follow?
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oops.. opens the Orren thread and again quickly closes.. :wallywink
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so it is too hard to follow?
so you clearly want to go on with it fine do your worst because your best is crap.
have to ask al. if i threw a stick would you leave. hmmm. hhhhaaaarrrrggggghhhhhh.
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oops.. opens the Orren thread and again quickly closes.. :wallywink
:rollin
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oops.. opens the Orren thread and again quickly closes.. :wallywink
theres humor and then theres humor well done sir im still laughing.
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oops.. opens the Orren thread and again quickly closes.. :wallywink
theres humor and then theres humor well done sir im still laughing.
How you been clawski? Have a look at this post from some Bummer fool (talking bout the rookies we got+Knights and Chaplin):
Have to disagree. If they think they can make the finals off the back of any of those listed they are kidding themselves.
Reminds me of Crazy Vossy's grand sale grand sale.
I can't see it making a difference. That's just how I see it though. Don't forget they brought in 6 experienced players, not just Chaplin. Whatever dead wood they have cut, they have just brought straight back in.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/delusional-pearlers-iii.955531/page-46
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oops.. opens the Orren thread and again quickly closes.. :wallywink
theres humor and then theres humor well done sir im still laughing.
How you been clawski? Have a look at this post from some Bummer fool (talking bout the rookies we got+Knights and Chaplin):
Have to disagree. If they think they can make the finals off the back of any of those listed they are kidding themselves.
Reminds me of Crazy Vossy's grand sale grand sale.
I can't see it making a difference. That's just how I see it though. Don't forget they brought in 6 experienced players, not just Chaplin. Whatever dead wood they have cut, they have just brought straight back in.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/delusional-pearlers-iii.955531/page-46
been well. have to say not tonight to many other things going on. not the least trying to educate the three stooges at the same time.
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oops.. opens the Orren thread and again quickly closes.. :wallywink
theres humor and then theres humor well done sir im still laughing.
How you been clawski? Have a look at this post from some Bummer fool (talking bout the rookies we got+Knights and Chaplin):
Have to disagree. If they think they can make the finals off the back of any of those listed they are kidding themselves.
Reminds me of Crazy Vossy's grand sale grand sale.
I can't see it making a difference. That's just how I see it though. Don't forget they brought in 6 experienced players, not just Chaplin. Whatever dead wood they have cut, they have just brought straight back in.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/delusional-pearlers-iii.955531/page-46
Dont encourage him or you know what we will get back;
youneed4tallkpf's
youhavetohave 4insidemidsand3outisdemids
yourequire6kpds
and1tripodinrobbienahas
andapparentlyabout 15rucksorso coz maric is crap
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The essendon fans fails to note we draft the most youth too.
Most.or equal most kids.
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Richmond FC twitter:
"Congrats to the Big O on debuting in the Yellow and Black @ AAMI Stadium"
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You probably should have opened up a new thread OE rather than subjecting the classic one to the light of day Again.
Hope the big O does OK even though I didn't agree with the drafting
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Interesting to see with the Big O and Ivan if we copy the double ruck trick that other sides are doing at ball-ups and throw-ins.
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Big-O has been very impressive. Has been a weapon at the centre bounces so far.
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the big O is killing them
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Killed it in the first; not as dominate in the 2nd. Anyway it's good to see a 2nd Tiger ruckman who can actually ruck and win tap outs to our advantage. Thanks Adelaide for taking Gus off our hands lol.
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Offers a bit around the ground too.
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Played better than Maric, tap ruck work was definitely better
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Really nice first game. Would have no hesitation keeping him in the side based on that performance.
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How good was this fella? Vickers extended rest and some time in the twos to get his poo together?
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Wow, a revelation. Who'd have thunk it - playing 2 rucks in the modern game. Oh, that's right, last years premiers among others. But then, what would they know. And a big well done to the big O - did 2 things today - pointed out how little Vickery brings to the ruck contest and how poor Gus was as our 2IC.
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Great game from the Big O!!!
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Wow, a revelation. Who'd have thunk it - playing 2 rucks in the modern game. Oh, that's right, last years premiers among others. But then, what would they know. And a big well done to the big O - did 2 things today - pointed out how little Vickery brings to the ruck contest and how poor Gus was as our 2IC.
Just quietly he showed Maric up for tap work as well
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Wow, a revelation. Who'd have thunk it - playing 2 rucks in the modern game. Oh, that's right, last years premiers among others. But then, what would they know. And a big well done to the big O - did 2 things today - pointed out how little Vickery brings to the ruck contest and how poor Gus was as our 2IC.
Just quietly he showed Maric up for tap work as well
Maric must be injured IMHO. Seems to be going at about 60% atm.
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Wow, a revelation. Who'd have thunk it - playing 2 rucks in the modern game. Oh, that's right, last years premiers among others. But then, what would they know. And a big well done to the big O - did 2 things today - pointed out how little Vickery brings to the ruck contest and how poor Gus was as our 2IC.
Just quietly he showed Maric up for tap work as well
Maric must be injured IMHO. Seems to be going at about 60% atm.
Maybe the honeymoon is over and we are starting to see why Adelaide let him go?
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Wow, a revelation. Who'd have thunk it - playing 2 rucks in the modern game. Oh, that's right, last years premiers among others. But then, what would they know. And a big well done to the big O - did 2 things today - pointed out how little Vickery brings to the ruck contest and how poor Gus was as our 2IC.
Just quietly he showed Maric up for tap work as well
Maric must be injured IMHO. Seems to be going at about 60% atm.
Maybe the honeymoon is over and we are starting to see why Adelaide let him go?
Was obviously still suffering from the ankle injury. Gutsy effort to play and hold up our structures I thought - didn't win but held his own which was important.
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Wow, a revelation. Who'd have thunk it - playing 2 rucks in the modern game. Oh, that's right, last years premiers among others. But then, what would they know. And a big well done to the big O - did 2 things today - pointed out how little Vickery brings to the ruck contest and how poor Gus was as our 2IC.
Just quietly he showed Maric up for tap work as well
Maric must be injured IMHO. Seems to be going at about 60% atm.
Maybe the honeymoon is over and we are starting to see why Adelaide let him go?
Was obviously still suffering from the ankle injury. Gutsy effort to play and hold up our structures I thought - didn't win but held his own which was important.
Maybe the honeymoon is over and we are starting to see why Adelaide let him go?
Give him a rest next week
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I thought Ivan started to play with the intensity he had been lacking. perhaps it was due to knowing he had another true ruckman in the side to shoulder the workload ?
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Lol Gus Graham
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Where is coach davey :lol
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Great timing as he ll be important v ess and WC :shh
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Think the plan would be to bring Vickery back in next week but rest Maric.
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Maybe
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Maybe not
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Orren's first quarter was sensational.Out of the centre in that late spurt was classical.
Must play next few weeks. We may have a genuine ruck back up here. :shh
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Orren's first quarter was sensational.Out of the centre in that late spurt was classical.
Must play next few weeks. We may have a genuine ruck back up here.
You forgot the :shh
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Orren's first quarter was sensational.Out of the centre in that late spurt was classical.
Must play next few weeks. We may have a genuine ruck back up here. :shh
Orren's first quarter was sensational.Out of the centre in that late spurt was classical.
Must play next few weeks. We may have a genuine ruck back up here.
You forgot the :shh
There you go Chuck. :shh
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:thumbsup
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I was actually quite confident in O. His pre-season and VFL form has been really impressive. Dominated the VFL games that I've attended.
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I was actually quite confident in O. His pre-season and VFL form has been really impressive. Dominated the VFL games that I've attended.
I wasn't, happy to see him give first use of the ball to our midfield
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Doing the number 37 proud, big number to fill after the last star to wear it :clapping
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Woah look at this child prodigy go. Someone crossed the street to check with me how Big O was going and I said he's going ok. Boy oh boy I'm going to have to try find them and tell them about this 2nd year kid we've found from nowhere. Can't believe it. :shh
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Doing the number 37 proud, big number to fill after the last star to wear it :clapping
Still got a long way to go the kid but I think he might get there if we let him develop properly at Coburg. :shh
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Woah look at this child prodigy go. Someone crossed the street to check with me how Big O was going and I said he's going ok. Boy oh boy I'm going to have to try find them and tell them about this 2nd year kid we've found from nowhere. Can't believe it. :shh
Did you find that sarcasm in your mother's canyon?
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Woah look at this child prodigy go. Someone crossed the street to check with me how Big O was going and I said he's going ok. Boy oh boy I'm going to have to try find them and tell them about this 2nd year kid we've found from nowhere. Can't believe it. :shh
Did you find that sarcasm in your mother's canyon?
:lol ;D
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ooooH on mothers day an all
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Liked his game. Was very impressed at his leaps at centre bouncers and his tap work at centre bouncers and around the ground. Deserves to retain his place
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Liked his game. Was very impressed at his leaps at centre bouncers and his tap work at centre bouncers and around the ground. Deserves to retain his place
Agree. Made a huge difference getting first use of the ball in the middle.
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Dare I say his tap work is better than big Ivan's!
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Yes Yellow his tap work is/was excellent
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Yes Yellow his tap work is/was excellent
I reckon he won the first half doz out of the pivot G, really set us up, now i know what you've been talking about. Hope he build s on it next week
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I like him a lot BO..no bells and whistles just a hard toiler
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Liked his game. Was very impressed at his leaps at centre bouncers and his tap work at centre bouncers and around the ground. Deserves to retain his place
Agree. Made a huge difference getting first use of the ball in the middle.
I agree as well but I think if Vickery is fit he makes way. Unless they decide to rest Ivan
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If the talks are all fit
In Vickery
Out mcgaune
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simply put hes given more than vickery in one game than vickery has given all yr.
to suggest vickery should come in for mcguane is laughable. mcguane has out performed vickery as a forward all yr.
imo its a good opportunity to play vickery in the twos and have him work on a fair few areas of his game.
if hes to be our future #1 ruckman give him the job at coburg and develop him as a ruckman. in the mean time id say stephenson has his job until he performs lousy for weeks on end like vickery has,.
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simply put hes given more than vickery in one game than vickery has given all yr.
to suggest vickery should come in for mcguane is laughable. mcguane has out performed vickery as a forward all yr.
imo its a good opportunity to play vickery in the twos and have him work on a fair few areas of his game.
if hes to be our future #1 ruckman give him the job at coburg and develop him as a ruckman. in the mean time id say stephenson has his job until he performs lousy for weeks on end like vickery has,.
I don't think the club fancy him as our future ruckman. He is our 2nd KPF and that is his main role - just as it was when he was a junior. He is also there to give the main ruck a rest.
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But, But ....... I want him too be a ruckman
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He's a pretty decent ruck, it's hard to justify dropping him - however you want to look at it.
We going to need him vs Dees you'd think, Bombres and Weagles play 2 genuine rucks so if he keeps up that rate of performance he gets another month.
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Liked his game. Was very impressed at his leaps at centre bouncers and his tap work at centre bouncers and around the ground. Deserves to retain his place
Agree. Made a huge difference getting first use of the ball in the middle.
I agree as well but I think if Vickery is fit he makes way. Unless they decide to rest Ivan
I think maric gets a rest, looked ordinary as a forward,
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Cant pinpoint whats wrong with maric...is it his groin problem of last year,lack of fitness,or both.Maybe its also our expectation of him to go the extra step this year after a stellar first season...
anyone with any ideas?
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Cant pinpoint whats wrong with maric...is it his groin problem of last year,lack of fitness,or both.Maybe its also our expectation of him to go the extra step this year after a stellar first season...
anyone with any ideas?
Groin. Can't jump because of it and thus can't compete properly.
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Cant pinpoint whats wrong with maric...is it his groin problem of last year,lack of fitness,or both.Maybe its also our expectation of him to go the extra step this year after a stellar first season...
anyone with any ideas?
Groin. Can't jump because of it and thus can't compete properly.
Bingo :clapping
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simply put hes given more than vickery in one game than vickery has given all yr.
to suggest vickery should come in for mcguane is laughable. mcguane has out performed vickery as a forward all yr.
imo its a good opportunity to play vickery in the twos and have him work on a fair few areas of his game.
if hes to be our future #1 ruckman give him the job at coburg and develop him as a ruckman. in the mean time id say stephenson has his job until he performs lousy for weeks on end like vickery has,.
If you were a Melbourne defender you would rather line up on mcgaune than Vickery...
Reiwoldt-vickery-maric would cause problems with its size. Similar to reiwoldt/Vickery/Griffiths.
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Melbourne defenders would queue up to play on Vickery. He doesn't give a contest and doesn't move. Couldn't ask for an easier opponent. Massively overrated scared dud. Our structure doesn't need someone who isn't competitive and doesn't chase or pose any kind of threat. Doesn't give half what McGuane does and Reiwoldt will kick many more bags without that space hogger.
Back on topic. Stephenson gone past Maric. First ruck by a long way based on the weekends performance and what I have seen in the reserves. Actually taps the ball to advantage. Haven't seen that from a Richmond ruck man for a very long time. If Maric can't jump, time for the reserves. Didn't offer much on the weekend and is incredibly slow around the ground.
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Dare I say his tap work is better than big Ivan's!
Say it with conviction Y&BB becase it's true. Was miles better than anything Ivan has produced this year.
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simply put hes given more than vickery in one game than vickery has given all yr.
to suggest vickery should come in for mcguane is laughable. mcguane has out performed vickery as a forward all yr.
imo its a good opportunity to play vickery in the twos and have him work on a fair few areas of his game.
if hes to be our future #1 ruckman give him the job at coburg and develop him as a ruckman. in the mean time id say stephenson has his job until he performs lousy for weeks on end like vickery has,.
If you were a Melbourne defender you would rather line up on mcgaune than Vickery...
Reiwoldt-vickery-maric would cause problems with its size. Similar to reiwoldt/Vickery/Griffiths.
Strongly disagree Bents. McGuane has been critical to our forward line this year and on Saturday played a very important role in being pushed back to defence a couple of times when the game needed to be turned around. Not saying he did the turning but he gave some height and bite to the defence that it needed to wrest back control. Was very important on Saturday and is in absolutely no danger of being dropped, nor should he be. And I can't name 1 Melbourne defender who would rather play on McGuane than Vickery - McGuane makes them earn every kick they get and as a defender that's the last thing you look for in an opponent.
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Dare I say his tap work is better than big Ivan's!
Say it with conviction Y&BB becase it's true. Was miles better than anything Ivan has produced this year.
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Was good, I would play this guy before Maric & Vickery at the moment.
Good week to rest Ivan.
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Dare I say his tap work is better than big Ivan's!
Say it with conviction Y&BB becase it's true. Was miles better than anything Ivan has produced this year.
In fairness to Big Ivan, why they have continued to play him when he clearly is sore and knowing that Stephenson can cover for him just beggars belief IMHO
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Dare I say his tap work is better than big Ivan's!
Say it with conviction Y&BB becase it's true. Was miles better than anything Ivan has produced this year.
In fairness to Big Ivan, why they have continued to play him when he clearly is sore and knowing that Stephenson can cover for him just beggars belief IMHO
Yeah, agree WP. I wasn't having a crack at Ivan, its obvious he has been playing injured, but like you I just don't get why they have persevered with him when they could have played Stephenson to give him a chop out. Is this where I bring up my old chestnut of playing 2 genuine ruckmen? Longmire, Worsfold, Clarkson.........not everyone thinks its a bad tactic.
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I pray they have the good sense to rest Ivan this week and let Vickery come in to work with the Big O. Ivan is obviously playing sore when he doesn't need to.
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Dare I say his tap work is better than big Ivan's!
Say it with conviction Y&BB becase it's true. Was miles better than anything Ivan has produced this year.
In fairness to Big Ivan, why they have continued to play him when he clearly is sore and knowing that Stephenson can cover for him just beggars belief IMHO
Now it's been shown he can in the AFL, maybe nows the time?
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Dare I say his tap work is better than big Ivan's!
Say it with conviction Y&BB becase it's true. Was miles better than anything Ivan has produced this year.
In fairness to Big Ivan, why they have continued to play him when he clearly is sore and knowing that Stephenson can cover for him just beggars belief IMHO
Now it's been shown he can in the AFL, maybe nows the time?
Possible Ivan continues to put his hand up saying he is able to play?
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If true the club should by now know his lying
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Dare I say his tap work is better than big Ivan's!
Say it with conviction Y&BB becase it's true. Was miles better than anything Ivan has produced this year.
In fairness to Big Ivan, why they have continued to play him when he clearly is sore and knowing that Stephenson can cover for him just beggars belief IMHO
Now it's been shown he can in the AFL, maybe nows the time?
Possible Ivan continues to put his hand up saying he is able to play?
He probably is but at some point you (the medical & coaching staff) take it out of the players hands and say "sorry mate you need a rest"
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Dare I say his tap work is better than big Ivan's!
Say it with conviction Y&BB becase it's true. Was miles better than anything Ivan has produced this year.
In fairness to Big Ivan, why they have continued to play him when he clearly is sore and knowing that Stephenson can cover for him just beggars belief IMHO
Now it's been shown he can in the AFL, maybe nows the time?
Possible Ivan continues to put his hand up saying he is able to play?
He probably is but at some point you (the medical & coaching staff) take it out of the players hands and say "sorry mate you need a rest"
Don't know if I can trust the medical & coaching staff after the Tuck debacle.
I couldn't believe what I was seeing when Tucky was running around 1 armed on saturday.
It wasn't a good look for the club in my opinion.
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Don't be soft
And what sort of name is Orren anyway?
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I used to think the Big "O" was Roy Orbison.
This guy just might make me change my mind.... :pray
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He probably is but at some point you (the medical & coaching staff) take it out of the players hands and say "sorry mate you need a rest"
While I know what you mean, he's had the rest already.
After injury he came back in for the last half dozen games last year on a basis of no training-still playing majority of the game.
In an interview over the off season he said that the plan for him was simply rest and rehabilitation to prepare for this year.
Obviously this strategy has been a failure since he has been unfit to play all year and has not got any fitter as the season goes on.
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One of a kind
By Jen Phelan
Exclusive to richmondfc.com.au
9:36am AEST Friday, May 17, 2013
There aren't any other Tigers like Orren Stephenson.
At 30, he's the third oldest player at Richmond behind Shane Tuck and Chris Newman.
It's a leap from where he sat at Geelong last year, where seven players exceeded him in age.
He's also a husband to his high school sweetheart Whitney, and a father to three children.
While there aren't many other Tigers with kids – Tuck being one – it's the age of Stephenson's that sets him apart from the majority of AFL players.
His eldest daughter, Emilie, will soon turn 14, his son Patrick will soon be 12. Sophie, the youngest, turned 10 earlier this year.
Now in his second AFL season, Stephenson can reflect on the fact he's been able to share his journey with his wife and kids, who are rarely absent on game day.
Full article:
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-05-17/one-of-a-kind
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Can we get him to a 100 games?
:thumbsup
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I like how he marks around the ground
Ivan doesn't do this enough
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Orren's family affair
By Jennifer Phelan
afl.com.au
Friday, May 17, 2013
THERE aren't any other Tigers like Orren Stephenson.
At 30, he's the third oldest player at Richmond behind Shane Tuck and Chris Newman.
It's a leap from where he sat at Geelong last year, where seven players exceeded him in age.
He's also a husband to his high school sweetheart Whitney, and a father to three children.
While there aren't many other Tigers with kids – Tuck being one – it's the age of Stephenson's that sets him apart from the majority of AFL players.
His eldest daughter, Emilie, will soon turn 14, his son Patrick will soon be 12. Sophie, the youngest, turned 10 earlier this year.
Now in his second AFL season, Stephenson can reflect on the fact he's been able to share his journey with his wife and kids, who are rarely absent on game day.
The "hoops" are gone and the yellow and black guernseys have rolled into the family home, with the Stephensons now barracking passionately for a larger breed of feline.
"It's been fantastic and a massive bonus. For my wife and the kids, it's something they'll never forget so I'm pretty blessed to be able to share it with them," Stephenson told AFL.com.au.
"Patrick last year was rolling around the rooms with the Geelong Cats and this year he's rolling around with the Richmond Tiger boys.
"He wouldn't pass it up for quids. He loves it and the girls have had a lot of fun with it as well. It's a massive bonus that we can share these pretty good times in our lives with our kids."
The Stephensons have lived in Ballarat since 2002 after moving from the Riverina in New South Wales.
They're still there, with Stephenson boarding four nights a week with Whitney's cousin in Malvern East for ease in getting to Punt Road.
He goes home the night before the players' day off and stays there until the morning he's due back, and likes to occasionally "sleep in his own bed" before games.
Stephenson's entry into the AFL is notably different. He was the oldest first-time recruit in draft history when picked up at 29, becoming a Cat after winning three VFL premierships with North Ballarat.
He'd trained with AFL clubs over the years but never made it onto a list until the Cats came knocking in 2011.
He played eight senior games and won a fourth premiership in 2012 with the Cats' VFL side but the off-season acquisition of Hamish McIntosh saw his AFL dream end there – briefly.
He was disappointed, naturally, but understanding that these things happened.
So, he revisited his working life – he holds two trades, one as an electrician and the other as a telecommunications technician – and waited to see what would happen next.
"I knew there were discussions going on [with clubs] but there wasn't anything concrete until around the rookie draft," Stephenson said.
"I had a training run with the Richmond boys for a week or two and they went away to Cairns for their pre-season camp and I just had to sit around and wait.
"It was difficult being in the unknown. It was not dissimilar to the period where I've been training with clubs and they were a chance to take me but this time, it worked out the right way."
The Tigers used selection No.33 in the NAB AFL Rookie Draft to throw him a lifeline. The dream was alive again.
On the eve of the 2013 home-and-away season, after showing promise in the NAB Cup, Stephenson and ex-Demon Ricky Petterd were elevated to the senior list.
Last week against Port Adelaide the ruckman made his club debut at AAMI Stadium, with Whitney and his kids there cheering him on.
"It was really good to be out there. I've really enjoyed my time at Richmond; it's been fantastic and it was really good to get a win as well," he said.
Stephenson might be older than his teammates, have a different living situation and be raising a daughter who is just five years junior of his youngest teammate.
But none of that has affected his ability to fit in.
"We're really pleased for Orren. He's just one of those guys you certainly love having around your footy club," coach Damien Hardwick said.
"He's a great character, he fitted straight into our football club and it great to get a result for him, and for him to play as well as he did [against Port Adelaide]."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-05-17/a-family-affair
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Dare I say his tap work is better than big Ivan's!
Say it with conviction Y&BB becase it's true. Was miles better than anything Ivan has produced this year.
In fairness to Big Ivan, why they have continued to play him when he clearly is sore and knowing that Stephenson can cover for him just beggars belief IMHO
Now it's been shown he can in the AFL, maybe nows the time?
Possible Ivan continues to put his hand up saying he is able to play?
He probably is but at some point you (the medical & coaching staff) take it out of the players hands and say "sorry mate you need a rest"
Don't know if I can trust the medical & coaching staff after the Tuck debacle.
I couldn't believe what I was seeing when Tucky was running around 1 armed on saturday.
It wasn't a good look for the club in my opinion.
It was done to keep the midfield rotations going, in an alternative reality if it didnt occur Port would have rolled us as our midfield ran out of legs
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Dare I say his tap work is better than big Ivan's!
Say it with conviction Y&BB becase it's true. Was miles better than anything Ivan has produced this year.
In fairness to Big Ivan, why they have continued to play him when he clearly is sore and knowing that Stephenson can cover for him just beggars belief IMHO
Now it's been shown he can in the AFL, maybe nows the time?
Possible Ivan continues to put his hand up saying he is able to play?
He probably is but at some point you (the medical & coaching staff) take it out of the players hands and say "sorry mate you need a rest"
Don't know if I can trust the medical & coaching staff after the Tuck debacle.
I couldn't believe what I was seeing when Tucky was running around 1 armed on saturday.
It wasn't a good look for the club in my opinion.
It was done to keep the midfield rotations going, in an alternative reality if it didnt occur Port would have rolled us as our midfield ran out of legs
rubbish!!!!
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Tuck is seriously injured. Richmond doctor should be sacked. Disgraceful performance putting a player back on in those circumstances.
Lets hope Orren stays in for the rest of the season. First use of the footy from center clearances is priceless. Midfielders should lap it up.
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It was brave and helped the team.
Not stupid. Ie. Playing cogs
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Dare I say his tap work is better than big Ivan's!
Say it with conviction Y&BB becase it's true. Was miles better than anything Ivan has produced this year.
In fairness to Big Ivan, why they have continued to play him when he clearly is sore and knowing that Stephenson can cover for him just beggars belief IMHO
Now it's been shown he can in the AFL, maybe nows the time?
Possible Ivan continues to put his hand up saying he is able to play?
He probably is but at some point you (the medical & coaching staff) take it out of the players hands and say "sorry mate you need a rest"
Don't know if I can trust the medical & coaching staff after the Tuck debacle.
I couldn't believe what I was seeing when Tucky was running around 1 armed on saturday.
It wasn't a good look for the club in my opinion.
It was done to keep the midfield rotations going, in an alternative reality if it didnt occur Port would have rolled us as our midfield ran out of legs
rubbish!!!!
It could have happened seven goals in 10 mins is not unheard of
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Dare I say his tap work is better than big Ivan's!
Say it with conviction Y&BB becase it's true. Was miles better than anything Ivan has produced this year.
In fairness to Big Ivan, why they have continued to play him when he clearly is sore and knowing that Stephenson can cover for him just beggars belief IMHO
Now it's been shown he can in the AFL, maybe nows the time?
Possible Ivan continues to put his hand up saying he is able to play?
He probably is but at some point you (the medical & coaching staff) take it out of the players hands and say "sorry mate you need a rest"
Don't know if I can trust the medical & coaching staff after the Tuck debacle.
I couldn't believe what I was seeing when Tucky was running around 1 armed on saturday.
It wasn't a good look for the club in my opinion.
It was done to keep the midfield rotations going, in an alternative reality if it didnt occur Port would have rolled us as our midfield ran out of legs
rubbish!!!!
It could have happened seven goals in 10 mins is not unheard of
Ye of little faith. :lol
I suppose we've all been scarred by the last 30 years. :thumbsup
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Shout out to the Big O for last nights game. Beat McEvoy in the ruck. Rarely beaten at the boundary throw ins- he works hard for position and once he's got it, there's no moving him. Not the greatest kick in the world but I noticed the mids helping out there and generously making themselves available for the handball receive. Now that's what I call teamwork (or stat padding if we are losing)
Well done O
:clapping
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Shout out to the Big O for last nights game. Beat McEvoy in the ruck. Rarely beaten at the boundary throw ins- he works hard for position and once he's got it, there's no moving him. Not the greatest kick in the world but I noticed the mids helping out there and generously making themselves available for the handball receive. Now that's what I call teamwork (or stat padding if we are losing)
Well done O
:clapping
Agree. Was super impressed with his game last night.
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Rest Ivan again, ettihad has a hard surface can't be good for the groin and biG O has shown he is capable of covering
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Was happy with Big O's work at the the throws in did some good handpasses.
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The Big O played pretty well last night. Is there room for both Ivan and Orren in the side in the finals?
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The Big O played pretty well last night. Is there room for both Ivan and Orren in the side in the finals?
I thought he played well also
The question is can we fit jack, ty, azza, orren in the fwd line and rotate ivvy with orren an ty??
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nope, he was serviceable, but will be too top heavy imo. O out, Jack in
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He rucked better than Maric. Has been a nice pickup this year and done his job very well.
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I'd consider Jack in, Maric out. Going on last years form still and the occasional good quarter but has really been average this year
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Hampson deal won't dislodge Orren Stephenson from Punt Road
Jennifer Phelan
afl.com.au
October 8, 2013 3:36 PM
ORREN Stephenson will continue his career as a mature-aged rookie at Richmond next season despite the recruitment of Carlton ruckman Shaun Hampson.
Hampson became a Tiger on Monday, the first day of the Gillette AFL Player Exchange Period, in a trade for Richmond's second-round draft selection.
The Tigers recruited the 25-year-old to support No.1 big man Ivan Maric, who they'd like to spend more time up forward in 2014.
But his arrival won't affect the future of Stephenson, who played six games this season in his first year at Punt Road as Maric's back up.
The Tigers remain committed to Stephenson, with football manager Dan Richardson confirming to AFL.com.au on Tuesday his position was secure for next season.
Last month, Maric said he believed the popular 31-year-old would be given another year in the yellow and black.
"I expect him to be around next year. It would be great for our club," Maric told AFL.com.au.
"I think he's been fantastic for our club's culture. He's such a good person, a good family man, and we're lucky to have him.
"He's a great competitor as well."
The four-time VFL premiership player joined the Tigers in the NAB AFL Rookie Draft last December.
Before that, he played in three flags with North Ballarat ahead of a season with Geelong on the club's senior list.
He played in the Geelong VFL team's 2012 victorious Grand Final side before the Cats delisted him after securing North Melbourne ruckman Hamish McIntosh.
- See more at: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-10-08/stephenson-safe-at-tigers-despite-hampson-deal#sthash.itQPKaxP.dpuf
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-10-08/stephenson-safe-at-tigers-despite-hampson-deal
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Agree with this decision
Good back-up for Ivan & Hampson, takes the pressure off McBean as ruckman as he develops
Mature aged body for our VFL side, which means leadership at that level
:clapping :clapping
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Agree with this decision
Good back-up for Ivan & Hampson, takes the pressure off McBean as ruckman as he develops
Mature aged body for our VFL side, which means leadership at that level
:clapping :clapping
Yeh we had to keep him imo
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What a coup
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Who said it was an Alex Marcou?
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Agree with this decision
Good back-up for Ivan & Hampson, takes the pressure off McBean as ruckman as he develops
Mature aged body for our VFL side, which means leadership at that level
:clapping :clapping
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Agree with this decision
Good back-up for Ivan & Hampson, takes the pressure off McBean as ruckman as he develops
Mature aged body for our VFL side, which means leadership at that level
:clapping :clapping
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I thought he was good for us when he played seniors so keeping him on for me was important at both first grade and second grade level for those attributes you mentioned WP. :thumbsup
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Agree with this decision
Good back-up for Ivan & Hampson, takes the pressure off McBean as ruckman as he develops
Mature aged body for our VFL side, which means leadership at that level
:clapping :clapping
:thumbsup
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x3
I thought he was good for us when he played seniors so keeping him on for me was important at both first grade and second grade level for those attributes you mentioned WP. :thumbsup
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When Hampson ACTUALLY played, was he hard at it?
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think youd have to ask ms gale that
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Stephenson improving with age
richmondfc.com.au
June 25, 2014 4:37 PM
Richmond ruckman Orren Stephenson believes he is playing some of the best football of his career, at age 31.
The evergreen big man has been one of the shining lights in the first season of the Tigers’ stand-alone VFL team.
Despite being well aware that he is fighting for his spot in Richmond’s senior team with Ivan Maric and Shaun Hampson, the popular journeyman is always looking for his next opportunity at AFL level.
“I’m always challenging myself to work hard and push my name up there, I suppose,” Stephenson told K-Rock radio.
“I was pretty happy to get myself elevated at the start of the year, and play my one game against the Bulldogs.
“My form’s been pretty good, and I still think I’m improving. You can say I’m getting older, but I feel like my VFL footy has been as good as I’ve ever played.
“But I’m fully realistic about what my role is in the team. Obviously, I’m a bit of a back-up to the other guys.
Read more and the full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-06-25/stephenson-improving-with-age
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5 year deal coming up. :shh
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Doesn't perform when he goes up but miles ahead of hamspud
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Next ruck coach. Bookmark it.