Orren Stephenson [merged]

[YellowandBlackBlood]

Cant pinpoint whats wrong with maric...is it his groin problem of last year,lack of fitness,or both.Maybe its also our expectation of him to go the extra step this year after a stellar first season...
anyone with any ideas?

Groin.  Can't jump because of it and thus can't compete properly.

[WilliamPowell]

Cant pinpoint whats wrong with maric...is it his groin problem of last year,lack of fitness,or both.Maybe its also our expectation of him to go the extra step this year after a stellar first season...
anyone with any ideas?

Groin.  Can't jump because of it and thus can't compete properly.

Bingo 

[Judge Roughneck]

simply put hes given more than vickery in one game than vickery has given all yr.
to suggest vickery should come in for mcguane is laughable. mcguane has out performed vickery as a forward all yr.

imo its a good opportunity to play vickery in the twos  and have him work on a fair few areas of his game.
if hes to be our future #1 ruckman give him the job at coburg and develop him as a ruckman. in the mean time id say stephenson has his job until he performs lousy for weeks on end like vickery has,.

If you were a Melbourne defender you would rather line up on mcgaune than Vickery...

Reiwoldt-vickery-maric would cause problems with its size. Similar to reiwoldt/Vickery/Griffiths.

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Melbourne defenders would queue up to play on Vickery.  He doesn't give a contest and doesn't move.  Couldn't ask for an easier opponent.  Massively overrated scared dud.  Our structure doesn't need someone who isn't competitive and doesn't chase or pose any kind of threat.  Doesn't give half what McGuane does and Reiwoldt will kick many more bags without that space hogger.

Back on topic.  Stephenson gone past Maric.  First ruck by a long way based on the weekends performance and what I have seen in the reserves.  Actually taps the ball to advantage.  Haven't seen that from a Richmond ruck man for a very long time.  If Maric can't jump, time for the reserves. Didn't offer much on the weekend and is incredibly slow around the ground.

[Smokey]

Dare I say his tap work is better than big Ivan's!

Say it with conviction Y&BB becase it's true.  Was miles better than anything Ivan has produced this year.

[Smokey]

simply put hes given more than vickery in one game than vickery has given all yr.
to suggest vickery should come in for mcguane is laughable. mcguane has out performed vickery as a forward all yr.

imo its a good opportunity to play vickery in the twos  and have him work on a fair few areas of his game.
if hes to be our future #1 ruckman give him the job at coburg and develop him as a ruckman. in the mean time id say stephenson has his job until he performs lousy for weeks on end like vickery has,.

If you were a Melbourne defender you would rather line up on mcgaune than Vickery...

Reiwoldt-vickery-maric would cause problems with its size. Similar to reiwoldt/Vickery/Griffiths.

Strongly disagree Bents.  McGuane has been critical to our forward line this year and on Saturday played a very important role in being  pushed back to defence a couple of times when the game needed to be turned around.  Not saying he did the turning but he gave some height and bite to the defence that it needed to wrest back control.  Was very important on Saturday and is in absolutely no danger of being dropped, nor should he be.  And I can't name 1 Melbourne defender who would rather play on McGuane than Vickery - McGuane makes them earn every kick they get and as a defender that's the last thing you look for in an opponent.

[Francois Jackson]

Dare I say his tap work is better than big Ivan's!

Say it with conviction Y&BB becase it's true.  Was miles better than anything Ivan has produced this year.

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[pmac21]

Was good, I would play this guy before Maric & Vickery at the moment. 

Good week to rest Ivan. 

[WilliamPowell]

Dare I say his tap work is better than big Ivan's!

Say it with conviction Y&BB becase it's true.  Was miles better than anything Ivan has produced this year.

In fairness to Big Ivan, why they have continued to play him when he clearly is sore and knowing that Stephenson can cover for him just beggars belief IMHO

[Smokey]

Dare I say his tap work is better than big Ivan's!

Say it with conviction Y&BB becase it's true.  Was miles better than anything Ivan has produced this year.

In fairness to Big Ivan, why they have continued to play him when he clearly is sore and knowing that Stephenson can cover for him just beggars belief IMHO

Yeah, agree WP.  I wasn't having a crack at Ivan, its obvious he has been playing injured, but like you I just don't get why they have persevered with him when they could have played Stephenson to give him a chop out.  Is this where I bring up my old chestnut of playing 2 genuine ruckmen?  Longmire, Worsfold, Clarkson.........not everyone thinks its a bad tactic.

[Stripes]

I pray they have the good sense to rest Ivan this week and let Vickery come in to work with the Big O. Ivan is obviously playing sore when he doesn't need to.

[Yeahright]

Dare I say his tap work is better than big Ivan's!

Say it with conviction Y&BB becase it's true.  Was miles better than anything Ivan has produced this year.

In fairness to Big Ivan, why they have continued to play him when he clearly is sore and knowing that Stephenson can cover for him just beggars belief IMHO

Now it's been shown he can in the AFL, maybe nows the time?

[JVT]

Dare I say his tap work is better than big Ivan's!

Say it with conviction Y&BB becase it's true.  Was miles better than anything Ivan has produced this year.

In fairness to Big Ivan, why they have continued to play him when he clearly is sore and knowing that Stephenson can cover for him just beggars belief IMHO

Now it's been shown he can in the AFL, maybe nows the time?

Possible Ivan continues to put his hand up saying he is able to play?

[Yeahright]

If true the club should by now know his lying

[WilliamPowell]

Dare I say his tap work is better than big Ivan's!

Say it with conviction Y&BB becase it's true.  Was miles better than anything Ivan has produced this year.

In fairness to Big Ivan, why they have continued to play him when he clearly is sore and knowing that Stephenson can cover for him just beggars belief IMHO

Now it's been shown he can in the AFL, maybe nows the time?

Possible Ivan continues to put his hand up saying he is able to play?

He probably is but at some point you (the medical & coaching staff) take it out of the players hands and say "sorry mate you need a rest"