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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on March 01, 2013, 06:51:08 PM
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Next up Big Benny who is entering his 4th year.
What are your expectations for Griffs in 2013 and what would be a good year for him?
Career so far:
Matches Kicks Hballs Disp. Marks Con. M Tackles G.B Clear. In50 Re50 CP UCP 1%ers
2010 5 1.6 2.2 3.8 0.8 1.2 3.0
2011 4 3.8 2.8 6.5 3.0 0.8 1.4
2012 9 4.6 4.7 9.2 2.3 0.4 1.0 0.0 0.2 0.9 1.0 3.0 5.9 4.3
http://finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=2026&SeasonID=ALL
http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/player_profile?pid=2010019
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Good health
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If he can stay healthy expect him to our starting CHB
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18+ games this season.
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If he can stay healthy expect him to our starting CHB
This ^
Has all the tools, now hopefully has the maturing mind and body to deliver on the promise.
Expectations are up this year.
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If Vickery is poo he'll be our CHF
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All Australian CHB.
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I expect.....
a) When playing CHB
(http://www.westcoasteagles.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/WestCoastEagles/Images/glen-jakovich-600.jpg)
b) When playing CHF
(http://images.smh.com.au/2011/08/05/2537852/art_carey-200x0.jpg)
C'mon Griff. Just do it son!
:pray
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Lol Mr T. So if your expectations are met then would you rather him play CHB or CHF?
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Lol Mr T. So if your expectations are met then would you rather him play CHB or CHF?
:lol
What I meant was that if he was permanent in either position.
But if I had a choice?
I'd prefer Carey ofcoarse but without the off field BS.
So a Carey like CHF it is. :thumbsup
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..... So far we've seen mostly this ....
(http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2012/09/21/1226479/114954-gallery-6.jpg)
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I expect.....
Both those players were tough as nails and had a killer instinct to go with their talent.
Not sure Ben has that ingredient..
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Still reckon he's surviving in supporter's minds purely on potential. Again today nothing flash. Fine and serviceable as a back up, just like Astbury. I'll take Chaplin, Rance, and Grimes up back any day. And if we went 3 up forward, I'd even go McGuane going by his last few games last season and today before Griffiths.
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Should not be down back, get him forward!
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Still reckon he's surviving in supporter's minds purely on potential. Again today nothing flash. Fine and serviceable as a back up, just like Astbury. I'll take Chaplin, Rance, and Grimes up back any day. And if we went 3 up forward, I'd even go McGuane going by his last few games last season and today before Griffiths.
Given his age I reckon his rate of progress is understandable. We probably wont see if he will be elite or not until he is 25. My enthusiasm stems from the raw materials he has to work with
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Seemed like his man lost him too easily too often today, but hard to tell if that was due to him peeling off to try to pressure other unmarked opponents or just getting lost, watching on tv
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Seemed like his man lost him too easily too often today, but hard to tell if that was due to him peeling off to try to pressure other unmarked opponents or just getting lost, watching on tv
He was definately left in a position where he had to either hold or move up to another opponent a few times tonight. When they broke our zone, which held pretty well tonight, Griff seemed to be the one whose opponent benefitted.
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repeat..just stay healthy Griff....this boy needs game time at the moment nothing more
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Needs to play 16 games + this year otherwise this kid will be an unfullfilled talent.
Reality is the kids bod needs to hold. Has loads of courage and is great by foot. Important to our structure.
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I have no idea why he isn't used more often. He's one of our best kicks at the club and he rarely kicks the thing more than 5 times a game.
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Seemed like his man lost him too easily too often today, but hard to tell if that was due to him peeling off to try to pressure other unmarked opponents or just getting lost, watching on tv
He was definately left in a position where he had to either hold or move up to another opponent a few times tonight. When they broke our zone, which held pretty well tonight, Griff seemed to be the one whose opponent benefitted.
Cheers gr12
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Agreed Danog..if you are going to play griff in the back half ,then use the one tool he has that just about nobody else has...his kicking.
Maybe not use it all the time as you have to mix things up,but every so often why wouldnt you let him launch into a kick that can almost clear half the ground.
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Needs to play 16 games + this year otherwise this kid will be an unfullfilled talent.
Reality is the kids bod needs to hold. Has loads of courage and is great by foot. Important to our structure.
Agree. He is a good kick and a strong mark. Glad he has built up over summer. This year is a real chance to cement a spot in side
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Seemed like his man lost him too easily too often today, but hard to tell if that was due to him peeling off to try to pressure other unmarked opponents or just getting lost, watching on tv
Twice Ryder got goals because Griff was covering someone elses man. One Griff lost concentration which was his fault.
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cheers,
I dont have a problem with players leaving their man to cover someone else (besides the fact that it is even necessary). Its a team oriented thing to do as the selfish thing would be to stay put so your direct opponent doesn't score
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I feel Griffss is being harshly judged. He was born 91 and is ruckman size. He is going to take time.
Anything this season is really a bonus.
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time to give him a run in the front half, with chappy to come into the team...he will be surplus to our needs :shh
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How many games has he played?! 20? less?
Patience fools!
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How many games has he played?! 20? less?
Patience fools!
Less; 18 to be precise
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Had a quiet game. Had no one to man up on that was a match for him. Batch took Crameri, Astbury took Hurley, the rest were midgets. He is down back for the big guys.
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How many games has he played?! 20? less?
Patience fools!
Agree. He's 200cm tall FFS.
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How many games has he played?! 20? less?
Patience fools!
Agree. He's 200cm tall FFS.
Carlisle is same height, same age and is streets ahead of him. Played a few more games yes, but only ~10 more
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Lol @ streets ahead.
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Lol @ streets ahead.
Talk to me when Griff actually takes a contested mark
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He.could.never.and sit in a back.pocket and kick 70m and be very handy.
Still got 2-3 years honey moon period before you should be expecting tony lockett
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How many games has he played?! 20? less?
Patience fools!
Agree. He's 200cm tall FFS.
Carlisle is same height, same age and is streets ahead of him. Played a few more games yes, but only ~10 more
Carlisle has a 'mother' tattoo.
Shorter than Griff too
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Apprenticeship is over for this dude and Astbury at the end of 2013. No, that doesn't mean they should be murdered if they have a bad game but it's about time we started expecting these blokes to at least show they're too good for VFL level. Astbury wears a nappy to bed because of Dean Galea
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Apprenticeship is over for this dude and Astbury at the end of 2013. No, that doesn't mean they should be murdered if they have a bad game but it's about time we started expecting these blokes to at least show they're too good for VFL level. Astbury wears a nappy to bed because of Dean Galea
Bit harsh as they have both had major injuries requiring surgery with extended rehab. If they stay fit, next year is when I'd be making comments like that. At least IMHO.
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Apprenticeship is over for this dude and Astbury at the end of 2013. No, that doesn't mean they should be murdered if they have a bad game but it's about time we started expecting these blokes to at least show they're too good for VFL level. Astbury wears a nappy to bed because of Dean Galea
Bit harsh as they have both had major injuries requiring surgery with extended rehab. If they stay fit, next year is when I'd be making comments like that. At least IMHO.
It's their 4th season and Griffiths was a top 20 pick. I did say the apprenticeship is over at the end of 2013. You think they should only be expected to dominate VFL in their 5th season at the very earliest?
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How many games has he played?! 20? less?
Patience fools!
Agree. He's 200cm tall FFS.
Carlisle is same height, same age and is streets ahead of him. Played a few more games yes, but only ~10 more
Carlisle has a 'mother' tattoo.
Shorter than Griff too
Both apparently 200cm
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How many games has he played?! 20? less?
Patience fools!
Agree. He's 200cm tall FFS.
Carlisle is same height, same age and is streets ahead of him. Played a few more games yes, but only ~10 more
Carlisle has a 'mother' tattoo.
Shorter than Griff too
Both apparently 200cm
Carlisle 200cm with a perm, Griff 200cm with a comb over
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Grimes' 17 games vs Griffiths' 18 games
(http://images.sodahead.com/polls/002221235/f968baccbba024c1fb16cfebdf30963b_answer_1_xlarge.jpeg)
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How many games has he played?! 20? less?
Patience fools!
Agree. He's 200cm tall FFS.
Carlisle is same height, same age and is streets ahead of him. Played a few more games yes, but only ~10 more
Carlisle has a 'mother' tattoo.
Shorter than Griff too
Both apparently 200cm
Carlisle 200cm with a perm, Griff 200cm with a comb over
:lol
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Apprenticeship is over for this dude and Astbury at the end of 2013. No, that doesn't mean they should be murdered if they have a bad game but it's about time we started expecting these blokes to at least show they're too good for VFL level. Astbury wears a nappy to bed because of Dean Galea
Bit harsh as they have both had major injuries requiring surgery with extended rehab. If they stay fit, next year is when I'd be making comments like that. At least IMHO.
It's their 4th season and Griffiths was a top 20 pick. I did say the apprenticeship is over at the end of 2013. You think they should only be expected to dominate VFL in their 5th season at the very earliest?
This has been Griffs first full preseason since being at the club. I just feel that with 200 cm blokes, you have to give them a bit longer to mature. Especially ones that are mobile, good below their knees and can roost the ball 80m. Those blokes don't grow on trees.
I think that Griff is also still adjusting to playing as a defender. He played all of his junior career as a forward and his first two injury interrupted years as a forward too!
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Apprenticeship is over for this dude and Astbury at the end of 2013. No, that doesn't mean they should be murdered if they have a bad game but it's about time we started expecting these blokes to at least show they're too good for VFL level. Astbury wears a nappy to bed because of Dean Galea
Bit harsh as they have both had major injuries requiring surgery with extended rehab. If they stay fit, next year is when I'd be making comments like that. At least IMHO.
It's their 4th season and Griffiths was a top 20 pick. I did say the apprenticeship is over at the end of 2013. You think they should only be expected to dominate VFL in their 5th season at the very earliest?
This has been Griffs first full preseason since being at the club. I just feel that with 200 cm blokes, you have to give them a bit longer to mature. Especially ones that are mobile, good below their knees and can roost the ball 80m. Those blokes don't grow on trees.
I think that Griff is also still adjusting to playing as a defender. He played all of his junior career as a forward and his first two injury interrupted years as a forward too!
Fair point.
Grimes' 17 games vs Griffiths' 18 games
(http://images.sodahead.com/polls/002221235/f968baccbba024c1fb16cfebdf30963b_answer_1_xlarge.jpeg)
Yes.
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This has been Griffs first full preseason since being at the club.
Speaking of which, did anyone else notice he had no strapping on his shoulders what so ever! A good sign IMO.....
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This has been Griffs first full preseason since being at the club.
Speaking of which, did anyone else notice he had no strapping on his shoulders what so ever! A good sign IMO.....
The club finally telling him to grow a pair and harden up. :shh
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This has been Griffs first full preseason since being at the club.
Speaking of which, did anyone else notice he had no strapping on his shoulders what so ever! A good sign IMO.....
The club finally telling him to grow a pair and harden up. :shh
:lol
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Benny, if you're going to play your forward opponent from behind you can't be continually flat-footed 5-10m off your man when he's leading. Hampson is mobile for his size but hardly Usain Bolt on the lead.
I do like using Griffs as part of the kick-in rotations. Handy to have a bloke who can belt it well outside the defensive 50 to try and counter any opposition press.
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Did Big Ben win a single contest last night? Even when spoiling, he didn't seem able to punch the ball clear of the pack.
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Did Big Ben win a single contest last night? Even when spoiling, he didn't seem able to punch the ball clear of the pack.
Maybe 1 or 2 but that one in the square that Hampson took the mark but thankfully Rance got the free for being blocked summed up his night's spoiling efforts I thought
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Hampton is one of the quickest big blokes and marked almost everything he lead for. I wondered how Grimes would go instead. Would give away height and size, but would have spoiled more than half of those leading marks. At least we're not going to come across across many forward lines that big.
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Not much Griff could have done with most of Hampson's marks. Hampson was leading well and marked the ball at the highest point just about every time. Hands out in front = Griff had no chance.
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Provided some really good contests late in the game.
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He is still very inexperienced as a defender. Hampson was playing at his best last night when it came to marking. In that form he would have beaten most defenders in marking contests.
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Being harshly judged for a main or his size and youth.
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Hampson is a massive gimp. Nup. A performance like that means you play reserves next week by default. You blokes are basically saying all you have to do is lead and stick the mits out. Griff hasn't got much clue as a defender, IMO.
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I am sure a fit grimes would have towled hampson up.Dylans closing speed would have ensured this giant wouldnt have taken some of those marks.Big ben was reacting way too slowly.I hope with experience and game time this part of his game will be rectified
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He doesn't have the pace he needs to be sagging off as much as he does.
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Has a long way to go does Benny but he's still young and learning the art of defense. He has a stack of time on his side.
A guy of his size and a guy of his kicking doesn't grow on trees.
Hampson was marking well but I'd take Griffiths before Hampson every day of the week.
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Can someone tell the SEN crew earlier on today (Robbo, Dermie & Walls) it's "Griffiths" not "Griffin" :wallywink.
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Can someone tell the SEN crew earlier on today (Robbo, Dermie & Walls) it's "Griffiths" not "Griffin" :wallywink.
Wallsy had it right
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Big Benny Giffin :clapping
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Time for Griff to go forward, Grimes should come in and play back, time to try Griff forward and play Riewoldt up the ground again or vice versa!
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Time for Griff to go forward, Grimes should come in and play back, time to try Griff forward and play Riewoldt up the ground again or vice versa!
Griff, McG, Jack and Ty is too big of a forward line. Jack is the only consistent player there. At the same time I reckon Chaps, Griffo, Grimes and Rance is too tall down back unless Chappy or Griffith play as the floater.
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Dont think there is room up forward for another tall with Ty, JR and McGawn. McGawn is the obvious that should go but the way he was playing at the end of this year and the first game this year means he wont be going anywhere in the near future.
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We need a Tall (200cm) backman to play on resting rucks (the new evolution). Ben will be going nowhere.
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In theory one of grimes/rance/Chaplin should be able to play of a ruck sized forward. In reserve; Astbury is tall. Mcbean plays in a pocket. Finding three tall backs to cover Jack-Vickery-Griffiths may stretch some sides.
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Selection will be interesting this week.if grimes is available ,does he come straight back in? one would think he's a monty.
Secondly we must also take into consideration the fleet of smalish forwards the saints have.