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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: WA Tiger on May 23, 2013, 11:58:47 AM
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As previously discussed we need at least two to three more KPP'S to take the next step, the next big step IMO and I am talking the GF....
Matthew Leuenberger (Brisbane), Dale Thomas (Collingwood), Jack Watts (Melbourne) are three that would fit in for mine. We need to stop stuffing around and go for gun players and players the we can use and turnaround......we must get serious during free agency!!
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/photos/the-list-of-afl-stars-who-could-be-changing-clubs-at-the-end-of-2013/story-fnex616o-1226649047606
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As previously discussed we need at least two to three more KPP'S to take the next step, the next big step IMO and I am talking the GF....
Matthew Leuenberger (Brisbane), Dale Thomas (Collingwood), Jack Watts (Melbourne) are three that would fit in for mine. We need to stop stuffing around and go for gun players and players the we can use and turnaround......we must get serious during free agency!!
All bar one are free agents.^^^^^^
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Cooney/Sylvia/Frawley for me. Cooney and Sylvia will command stuff all compared to Daisy and we need a KPD. Why not get one of the best (potentially the very best) if we can afford it.
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Naïfan Jones !
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As previously discussed we need at least two to three more KPP'S to take the next step, the next big step IMO and I am talking the GF....
Matthew Leuenberger (Brisbane), Dale Thomas (Collingwood), Jack Watts (Melbourne) are three that would fit in for mine. We need to stop stuffing around and go for gun players and players the we can use and turnaround......we must get serious during free agency!!
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/photos/the-list-of-afl-stars-who-could-be-changing-clubs-at-the-end-of-2013/story-fnex616o-1226649047606
Dale Thomas is one of the best KPPs going around. Would love :gotigers
boy oh boy woweeeeee
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As previously discussed we need at least two to three more KPP'S to take the next step, the next big step IMO and I am talking the GF....
Matthew Leuenberger (Brisbane), Dale Thomas (Collingwood), Jack Watts (Melbourne) are three that would fit in for mine. We need to stop stuffing around and go for gun players and players the we can use and turnaround......we must get serious during free agency!!
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/photos/the-list-of-afl-stars-who-could-be-changing-clubs-at-the-end-of-2013/story-fnex616o-1226649047606
Dale Thomas is one of the best KPPs going around. Would love :gotigers
boy oh boy woweeeeee
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Naïfan Jones !
I wanted him at the club two years go, we didn't chase and he re-signed.... Pity, would still have him though, would also love Frawley!!
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You know Daisy is a 185cm half forward flanker right? :wallywink :lol
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Leuenberger and Frawley would significantly improve our side and have no apparent injury issues. Thomas would be good but the jury is out on if he will ever recover fully from his ankle problems. The rest - meh.
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You know Daisy is a 185cm half forward flanker right? :wallywink :lol
Yeah thought you were being a fool again, how silly of me to think you could actually contribute sensibly to a thread. BTW, he has played in just about every position going....would be good to have him in the team regardless!
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You know Daisy is a 185cm half forward flanker right? :wallywink :lol
:clapping
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Frawley
Dal Santo
Leuenberger
:pray
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Frawley
Dal Santo
Leuenberger
:pray
These are the ones I'd be really keen on. I reckon we're past these fringe player types to bolster our bottom end, time to only poach types that would be significant upgrades. But would Dal Santo only leave to win a flag?
I'd be keen in Sylvia if he wasn't such a knob head. And stuff Thomas' price tag and if he doesn't stay at Collingwood probably only going to Carlton anyway.
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Cooney/Sylvia/Frawley for me. Cooney and Sylvia will command stuff all compared to Daisy and we need a KPD. Why not get one of the best (potentially the very best) if we can afford it.
Cooney's been offered $2.2 mill over 4 years to go to SA. :shh
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Cooney/Sylvia/Frawley for me. Cooney and Sylvia will command stuff all compared to Daisy and we need a KPD. Why not get one of the best (potentially the very best) if we can afford it.
Cooney's been offered $2.2 mill over 4 years to go to SA. :shh
Lol stuff that then. May as well make a play for Daisy. :lol
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You know Daisy is a 185cm half forward flanker right? :wallywink :lol
Yeah thought you were being a fool again, how silly of me to think you could actually contribute sensibly to a thread. BTW, he has played in just about every position going....would be good to have him in the team regardless!
So he's a KPP? Played FB, CHB, CHF, FF has he?
How silly of me
And dont be such a baby :lol
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Wouldn't risk taking Thomas, that ankle injury is a nasty one. No guarantees he will come back from it and be the player he was
Wouldn't consider Watts either, he's a floater, shows no desire, agrression, endeavour let alone a killer instinct. Not even sure he has the talent that people keep saying he has. For his size his should be starting to monster pip squeaks but all he does is run around picking up cheap uncontested possessions and avoiding contest. Just seems to be happy to float about not worrying about improving.
Leuenberger I believe will stay in Brissie and if he doesn't he will cost plenty you'd need to pay overs and I am not sure we want to be paying overs for him. I'd rather back McBean in to be as good if not better TBBH
So thinking about it here's a thought, why don't we look a drafting some more kids this year and develop them. And while we are developing them in our own VFL team in 2014, we'll start playing some more of the kids we've picked over the last couple of years ...you know McBean (a Leuneberger type), McIntosh (a Thomas type), Darrou (a better option than Watts cos he has aggression) etc.....
Just a thought ;D
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Yesss Wee William :clapping
Still think we can afford to go after gws type midfielders as well, you know.... Help Jacko become our vfl capt ;)
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Wouldn't risk taking Thomas, that ankle injury is a nasty one. No guarantees he will come back from it and be the player he was
Wouldn't consider Watts either, he's a floater, shows no desire, agrression, endeavour let alone a killer instinct. Not even sure he has the talent that people keep saying he has. For his size his should be starting to monster pip squeaks but all he does is run around picking up cheap uncontested possessions and avoiding contest. Just seems to be happy float about not worrying about improving.
Leuenberger I believe will stay in Brissie and if he doesn't he will cost plenty you'd need to pay overs and I am not sure we want to be paying overs for him. I'd rather back McBean in to be as good if not better TBBH
So thinking about it here's a thought, why don't we look a drafting some more kids this year and develop them. And while we are developing them in our own VFL team in 2014, we'll start playing some more of the kids we've picked over the last couple of years ...you know McBean (a Leuneberger type), McIntosh (a Thomas type), Darrou (a better option than Watts cos he has aggression) etc.....
Just a thought ;D
Tend to agree with this view
Edited to correct quote
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Above post has WP Quote
"Tend to agree" (with WP quote)
beneath it says edited by WP. :whistle
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Well if he doesn't agree with himself then he's in strife!!
And what better way to do that than edit a few posts. ;D
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As previously discussed we need at least two to three more KPP'S to take the next step, the next big step IMO and I am talking the GF....
Matthew Leuenberger (Brisbane), Dale Thomas (Collingwood), Jack Watts (Melbourne) are three that would fit in for mine. We need to stop stuffing around and go for gun players and players the we can use and turnaround......we must get serious during free agency!!
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/photos/the-list-of-afl-stars-who-could-be-changing-clubs-at-the-end-of-2013/story-fnex616o-1226649047606
Dale Thomas is one of the best KPPs going around. Would love :gotigers
boy oh boy woweeeeee
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LMAO
I would argue watts isn't a kpp either, barely makes the grade as a footballer
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Sylvia is a disgrace. So is Watts but he can turn it around if he gets out of Melbourne. Get the burger
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Well if he doesn't agree with himself then he's in strife!!
And what better way to do that than edit a few posts. ;D
:lol
Probably originally said this is utter rubbish. Quick and snappy edit and bob's your uncle everyone agrees with WP. :lol :lol
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Leuenberger I believe will stay in Brissie
we should actually target billy longer now that Leuenberger appears to be back in the team and pushing longer to the reserves
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Nicky Dal :shh
Wants out ala ball goddard
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Leuenberger I believe will stay in Brissie
we should actually target billy longer now that Leuenberger appears to be back in the team and pushing longer to the reserves
I reckon we need somebody ready to go because our window is going to be wide open from next year. Longer will most likely come good but he still has a fair bit of learning to do and we already have McBean in that category. Ivan needs a hand - actually I think he needs to be our #2 in a top 4 side - and Leuenberger is young, very good, and ready to go. Vickery can be a permanent key forward and back up option until McBean pushes him aside. All in a perfect world of course! ;D
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Above post has WP Quote
"Tend to agree" (with WP quote)
beneath it says edited by WP. :whistle
I corrected your poor typing ;D
You typed "tend to agree with this view" in between 2 paragraphs so it came up as part of the quote
So before editing it looked like this:
So thinking about it here's a thought, why don't we look a drafting some more kids this year and develop them. And while we are developing them in our own VFL team in 2014, we'll start playing some more of the kids we've picked over the last couple of years ...you know McBean (a Leuneberger type), McIntosh (a Thomas type), Darrou (a better option than Watts cos he has aggression) etc.....
Tend to agree with this view
Just a thought
So I corrected it for you hope that's OK :whistle :whistle
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Nicky Dal :shh
Wants out ala ball goddard
Dal Santo pluuuuhhhzzzzeeees
Dont think we need another Grigg ;D
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Above post has WP Quote
"Tend to agree" (with WP quote)
beneath it says edited by WP. :whistle
I corrected your poor typing ;D
You typed "tend to agree with this view" in between 2 paragraphs so it came up as part of the quote
So before editing it looked like this:
So thinking about it here's a thought, why don't we look a drafting some more kids this year and develop them. And while we are developing them in our own VFL team in 2014, we'll start playing some more of the kids we've picked over the last couple of years ...you know McBean (a Leuneberger type), McIntosh (a Thomas type), Darrou (a better option than Watts cos he has aggression) etc.....
Tend to agree with this view
Just a thought
So I corrected it for you hope that's OK :whistle :whistle
The case for the defence rests. :phew
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Nicky Dal :shh
Wants out ala ball goddard
Dal Santo pluuuuhhhzzzzeeees
Dont think we need another Grigg ;D
Big upgrade on Shaun.
Kicks flat for starters.
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Nicky Dal :shh
Wants out ala ball goddard
Dal Santo pluuuuhhhzzzzeeees
Dont think we need another Grigg ;D
Big upgrade on Shaun.
Kicks flat for starters.
Outside mid, who can't handle a tag and is showing this season can't cope with being the main dude in the mid field
Not only that too old
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too much emphasis on getting in recycleds for my liking. Give me another young player like Vlastuin thanks infact if we can get 2 out of the draft then thats a great result. As for the free agency types and trade types Id only be looking at some of the quality youngsters at GWS and GCS who arent getting big opportunities.
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too much emphasis on getting in recycleds for my liking. Give me another young player like Vlastuin thanks infact if we can get 2 out of the draft then thats a great result. As for the free agency types and trade types Id only be looking at some of the quality youngsters at GWS and GCS who arent getting big opportunities.
Agree, how many teams get big name players then go on to be ultra successful?
I guess Sydney did get Morton :shh
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Nicky Dal :shh
Wants out ala ball goddard
Dal Santo pluuuuhhhzzzzeeees
Dont think we need another Grigg ;D
Big upgrade on Shaun.
Kicks flat for starters.
Outside mid, who can't handle a tag and is showing this season can't cope with being the main dude in the mid field
Not only that too old
Wouldn't come close to tag in our side.
Ie. Grigg
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To be a top side need to develop own players. Best to recruit young good players and develop them rather trying to rely on recruiting recycled players.
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Like Sydney collingwood etc?
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too much emphasis on getting in recycleds for my liking. Give me another young player like Vlastuin thanks infact if we can get 2 out of the draft then thats a great result. As for the free agency types and trade types Id only be looking at some of the quality youngsters at GWS and GCS who arent getting big opportunities.
Agree, how many teams get big name players then go on to be ultra successful?
I guess Sydney did get Morton :shh
Sydney topped up with Hall in '02 and Jolly in '05 and won a flag in '05.
West Coast topped up with Chick in '03 and Stenglein in '05 and won a flag in '06.
Geelong topped up with Ottens in '05 and won a flag in '07.
Hawthorn topped up with Guerra in '06 and Dew in '08 and won a flag in '08.
Collingwood topped up with Brown in '09 and Jolly and Ball in '10 and won a flag in '10.
Sydney topped up with Mumford and Kennedy in '10 and won a flag '12.
That's 6 in recent times and to me that would suggest it's actually a smart way to top your side off. Get Leuenberger and Frawley and plug our 2 biggest remaining deficiencies.
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:boxer. smoky hitting with the truth
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too much emphasis on getting in recycleds for my liking. Give me another young player like Vlastuin thanks infact if we can get 2 out of the draft then thats a great result. As for the free agency types and trade types Id only be looking at some of the quality youngsters at GWS and GCS who arent getting big opportunities.
Agree, how many teams get big name players then go on to be ultra successful?
I guess Sydney did get Morton :shh
Sydney topped up with Hall in '02 and Jolly in '05 and won a flag in '05.
West Coast topped up with Chick in '03 and Stenglein in '05 and won a flag in '06.
Geelong topped up with Ottens in '05 and won a flag in '07.
Hawthorn topped up with Guerra in '06 and Dew in '08 and won a flag in '08.
Collingwood topped up with Brown in '09 and Jolly and Ball in '10 and won a flag in '10.
Sydney topped up with Mumford and Kennedy in '10 and won a flag '12.
That's 6 in recent times and to me that would suggest it's actually a smart way to top your side off. Get Leuenberger and Frawley and plug our 2 biggest remaining deficiencies.
We should top up in 2 years then and we'll win it in 2017. :thumbsup
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Above post has WP Quote
"Tend to agree" (with WP quote)
beneath it says edited by WP. :whistle
I corrected your poor typing ;D
You typed "tend to agree with this view" in between 2 paragraphs so it came up as part of the quote
So before editing it looked like this:
So thinking about it here's a thought, why don't we look a drafting some more kids this year and develop them. And while we are developing them in our own VFL team in 2014, we'll start playing some more of the kids we've picked over the last couple of years ...you know McBean (a Leuneberger type), McIntosh (a Thomas type), Darrou (a better option than Watts cos he has aggression) etc.....
Tend to agree with this view
Just a thought
So I corrected it for you hope that's OK :whistle :whistle
Wasn't my post. Just having a laugh. Thought it was quite funny. :lol
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too much emphasis on getting in recycleds for my liking. Give me another young player like Vlastuin thanks infact if we can get 2 out of the draft then thats a great result. As for the free agency types and trade types Id only be looking at some of the quality youngsters at GWS and GCS who arent getting big opportunities.
Agree, how many teams get big name players then go on to be ultra successful?
I guess Sydney did get Morton :shh
Sydney topped up with Hall in '02 and Jolly in '05 and won a flag in '05.
West Coast topped up with Chick in '03 and Stenglein in '05 and won a flag in '06.
Geelong topped up with Ottens in '05 and won a flag in '07.
Hawthorn topped up with Guerra in '06 and Dew in '08 and won a flag in '08.
Collingwood topped up with Brown in '09 and Jolly and Ball in '10 and won a flag in '10.
Sydney topped up with Mumford and Kennedy in '10 and won a flag '12.
That's 6 in recent times and to me that would suggest it's actually a smart way to top your side off. Get Leuenberger and Frawley and plug our 2 biggest remaining deficiencies.
Yep Smokey a ruck and a KPP and another quality mid.
Don't think Dal Santo is the answer and Thomas will be overpriced and on his way to Carlton but a Daniel Rich type mid if available at about 25 yrs old wanting to come back to Melbourne will be handy.
Serious question how is Dom Tyson going this year? I have barely seen GWS and have no idea how he is travelling there atm.
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Faking injury.
Wants yo come punt rd.
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too much emphasis on getting in recycleds for my liking. Give me another young player like Vlastuin thanks infact if we can get 2 out of the draft then thats a great result. As for the free agency types and trade types Id only be looking at some of the quality youngsters at GWS and GCS who arent getting big opportunities.
Agree, how many teams get big name players then go on to be ultra successful?
I guess Sydney did get Morton :shh
Sydney topped up with Hall in '02 and Jolly in '05 and won a flag in '05.
West Coast topped up with Chick in '03 and Stenglein in '05 and won a flag in '06.
Geelong topped up with Ottens in '05 and won a flag in '07.
Hawthorn topped up with Guerra in '06 and Dew in '08 and won a flag in '08.
Collingwood topped up with Brown in '09 and Jolly and Ball in '10 and won a flag in '10.
Sydney topped up with Mumford and Kennedy in '10 and won a flag '12.
That's 6 in recent times and to me that would suggest it's actually a smart way to top your side off. Get Leuenberger and Frawley and plug our 2 biggest remaining deficiencies.
I love it when smokey pulls out the old records, arms himself with cold hard facts and goes bang bang bang check mate :bow
I would pay overs for both Leuey and nephew of Spud, would just about round off our team and give us a serious crack in the next few years.
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too much emphasis on getting in recycleds for my liking. Give me another young player like Vlastuin thanks infact if we can get 2 out of the draft then thats a great result. As for the free agency types and trade types Id only be looking at some of the quality youngsters at GWS and GCS who arent getting big opportunities.
Agree, how many teams get big name players then go on to be ultra successful?
I guess Sydney did get Morton :shh
Sydney topped up with Hall in '02 and Jolly in '05 and won a flag in '05.
West Coast topped up with Chick in '03 and Stenglein in '05 and won a flag in '06.
Geelong topped up with Ottens in '05 and won a flag in '07.
Hawthorn topped up with Guerra in '06 and Dew in '08 and won a flag in '08.
Collingwood topped up with Brown in '09 and Jolly and Ball in '10 and won a flag in '10.
Sydney topped up with Mumford and Kennedy in '10 and won a flag '12.
That's 6 in recent times and to me that would suggest it's actually a smart way to top your side off. Get Leuenberger and Frawley and plug our 2 biggest remaining deficiencies.
Yep Smokey a ruck and a KPP and another quality mid.
Don't think Dal Santo is the answer and Thomas will be overpriced and on his way to Carlton but a Daniel Rich type mid if available at about 25 yrs old wanting to come back to Melbourne will be handy.
Serious question how is Dom Tyson going this year? I have barely seen GWS and have no idea how he is travelling there atm.
Dom re-signed with GWS earlier this season TB, and I believe hes been out with a long term injury
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too much emphasis on getting in recycleds for my liking. Give me another young player like Vlastuin thanks infact if we can get 2 out of the draft then thats a great result. As for the free agency types and trade types Id only be looking at some of the quality youngsters at GWS and GCS who arent getting big opportunities.
Agree, how many teams get big name players then go on to be ultra successful?
I guess Sydney did get Morton :shh
Sydney are very good at it, very very good at it. Half their team is recycled and they win premierships. I really admire their recruiting dept, AAA+
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Morton is not a bad player. A good team can afford that type if you got guns elsewhere.
Kennedy worked out for them
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As previously discussed we need at least two to three more KPP'S to take the next step, the next big step IMO and I am talking the GF....
Matthew Leuenberger (Brisbane), Dale Thomas (Collingwood), Jack Watts (Melbourne) are three that would fit in for mine. We need to stop stuffing around and go for gun players and players the we can use and turnaround......we must get serious during free agency!!
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/photos/the-list-of-afl-stars-who-could-be-changing-clubs-at-the-end-of-2013/story-fnex616o-1226649047606
Not sure whether you are aware or not, we also need to re sign martin cotch riewoldt rance grimes and conca, not sure the drums in the bottom of the cookie jar would be enough to get any of these crocks :lol
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too much emphasis on getting in recycleds for my liking. Give me another young player like Vlastuin thanks infact if we can get 2 out of the draft then thats a great result. As for the free agency types and trade types Id only be looking at some of the quality youngsters at GWS and GCS who arent getting big opportunities.
Agree, how many teams get big name players then go on to be ultra successful?
I guess Sydney did get Morton :shh
Sydney topped up with Hall in '02 and Jolly in '05 and won a flag in '05.
West Coast topped up with Chick in '03 and Stenglein in '05 and won a flag in '06.
Geelong topped up with Ottens in '05 and won a flag in '07.
Hawthorn topped up with Guerra in '06 and Dew in '08 and won a flag in '08.
Collingwood topped up with Brown in '09 and Jolly and Ball in '10 and won a flag in '10.
Sydney topped up with Mumford and Kennedy in '10 and won a flag '12.
That's 6 in recent times and to me that would suggest it's actually a smart way to top your side off. Get Leuenberger and Frawley and plug our 2 biggest remaining deficiencies.
Agree, all the good sides do it yet Richmond are not and as always are behind the eight ball :banghead :banghead
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I still believe Jesse White would be a handy trade.
He's a ruck/forward.
He's been in the swans system (great culture) for a while now.
He's 25.
He's not getting senior games due to Mumford, Pike & Goodes.
He's ready to burst.
.... Maybe???
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spud
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:yep
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Isn't Frawley signed onto the demons until end of 2014.
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Isn't Frawley signed onto the demons until end of 2014.
Yer but becomes a FA then. He apparently wants out and Dees may try to get something good now rather than the poo dished out by the AFL.
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Wouldn't risk taking Thomas, that ankle injury is a nasty one. No guarantees he will come back from it and be the player he was
Wouldn't consider Watts either, he's a floater, shows no desire, agrression, endeavour let alone a killer instinct. Not even sure he has the talent that people keep saying he has. For his size his should be starting to monster pip squeaks but all he does is run around picking up cheap uncontested possessions and avoiding contest. Just seems to be happy to float about not worrying about improving.
Leuenberger I believe will stay in Brissie and if he doesn't he will cost plenty you'd need to pay overs and I am not sure we want to be paying overs for him. I'd rather back McBean in to be as good if not better TBBH
So thinking about it here's a thought, why don't we look a drafting some more kids this year and develop them. And while we are developing them in our own VFL team in 2014, we'll start playing some more of the kids we've picked over the last couple of years ...you know McBean (a Leuneberger type), McIntosh (a Thomas type), Darrou (a better option than Watts cos he has aggression) etc.....
Just a thought ;D
Wow develop our own, there's a new concept .......not, sorry WP, don't agree. Development should be ongoing after the nucleus of a good side has been put together with experienced players as the Cats have done and the Pies have done year after year. Add the Swans to that to, they have perfected it.
We need at least 2-3 very good experienced players to add to what we have so we can build a continuous recruitment process around them based on what you are saying. If we continue with the "develop our own" at this point in time as we have in the past then Deledio, Cothchin, Riewoldt and Martin will be 30 and its all over! Premiership windows are not that long anymore.
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Wouldn't risk taking Thomas, that ankle injury is a nasty one. No guarantees he will come back from it and be the player he was
Wouldn't consider Watts either, he's a floater, shows no desire, agrression, endeavour let alone a killer instinct. Not even sure he has the talent that people keep saying he has. For his size his should be starting to monster pip squeaks but all he does is run around picking up cheap uncontested possessions and avoiding contest. Just seems to be happy to float about not worrying about improving.
Leuenberger I believe will stay in Brissie and if he doesn't he will cost plenty you'd need to pay overs and I am not sure we want to be paying overs for him. I'd rather back McBean in to be as good if not better TBBH
So thinking about it here's a thought, why don't we look a drafting some more kids this year and develop them. And while we are developing them in our own VFL team in 2014, we'll start playing some more of the kids we've picked over the last couple of years ...you know McBean (a Leuneberger type), McIntosh (a Thomas type), Darrou (a better option than Watts cos he has aggression) etc.....
Just a thought ;D
Wow develop our own, there's a new concept .......not, sorry WP, don't agree. Development should be ongoing after the nucleus of a good side has been put together with experienced players as the Cats have done and the Pies have done year after year. Add the Swans to that to, they have perfected it.
We need at least 2-3 very good experienced players to add to what we have so we can build a continuous recruitment process around them based on what you are saying. If we continue with the "develop our own" at this point in time as we have in the past then Deledio, Cothchin, Riewoldt and Martin will be 30 and its all over! Premiership windows are not that long anymore.
So you would rather bring in someone else instead of giving opportunities to a McBean, Elton, McIntosh etc?
Because that is what you are suggesting we do because you can't play all off them. Bring in say Leunenberger and you tell me where and when do you play McBean? And if you do play McBean who goes out? Vickery? Maric?
You say by continuing to develop the kids and bringing them through then our premiership window wont be around and our A Graders will be over 30. Really? Let's look at some of the kids we are currently developing Conca, Vlaustuin, Ellis, I think that shows we can kids coming through and being part of the senior sides is worth doing. They are part of the the present and our future.
You use the Cats as an example and they are the perfect example. They didn't go chasing after multiple free agents last year they took one Rivers and traded for a kid in Caddy. And then they drafteed kids. They take their time to develop them and bring them in when they are ready and they are surrounded by a core of group made up of stars and top line B graders and those kids prosper. And is that core group made up of cast offs and players bought in from other clubs? No - that core group is made of talent that they drafted. Great example, great model, clearly great footy program
I just don't want to see our club stagnate in development by going after players via F/A. The Geelong model is what I want to see us use as a blueprint and I am prepared to back our kids coming through in getting us to where we want to get to. I am not agaisnt taking a FA to fill a specific need but long term I will back McBean in rather than going after Leunenberger, I'll back McIntosh to develop into Thomas type and I'll even back Ben Griffiths or Ben Elton in over Jack Watts any day of the week
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Wouldn't risk taking Thomas, that ankle injury is a nasty one. No guarantees he will come back from it and be the player he was
Wouldn't consider Watts either, he's a floater, shows no desire, agrression, endeavour let alone a killer instinct. Not even sure he has the talent that people keep saying he has. For his size his should be starting to monster pip squeaks but all he does is run around picking up cheap uncontested possessions and avoiding contest. Just seems to be happy to float about not worrying about improving.
Leuenberger I believe will stay in Brissie and if he doesn't he will cost plenty you'd need to pay overs and I am not sure we want to be paying overs for him. I'd rather back McBean in to be as good if not better TBBH
So thinking about it here's a thought, why don't we look a drafting some more kids this year and develop them. And while we are developing them in our own VFL team in 2014, we'll start playing some more of the kids we've picked over the last couple of years ...you know McBean (a Leuneberger type), McIntosh (a Thomas type), Darrou (a better option than Watts cos he has aggression) etc.....
Just a thought ;D
Wow develop our own, there's a new concept .......not, sorry WP, don't agree. Development should be ongoing after the nucleus of a good side has been put together with experienced players as the Cats have done and the Pies have done year after year. Add the Swans to that to, they have perfected it.
We need at least 2-3 very good experienced players to add to what we have so we can build a continuous recruitment process around them based on what you are saying. If we continue with the "develop our own" at this point in time as we have in the past then Deledio, Cothchin, Riewoldt and Martin will be 30 and its all over! Premiership windows are not that long anymore.
So you would rather bring in someone else instead of giving opportunities to a McBean, Elton, McIntosh etc?
Because that is what you are suggesting we do because you can't play all off them. Bring in say Leunenberger and you tell me where and when do you play McBean? And if you do play McBean who goes out? Vickery? Maric?
You say by continuing to develop the kids and bringing them through then our premiership window wont be around and our A Graders will be over 30. Really? Let's look at some of the kids we are currently developing Conca, Vlaustuin, Ellis, I think that shows we can kids coming through and being part of the senior sides is worth doing. They are part of the the present and our future.
You use the Cats as an example and they are the perfect example. They didn't go chasing after multiple free agents last year they took one Rivers and traded for a kid in Caddy. And then they drafteed kids. They take their time to develop them and bring them in when they are ready and they are surrounded by a core of group made up of stars and top line B graders and those kids prosper. And is that core group made up of cast offs and players bought in from other clubs? No - that core group is made of talent that they drafted. Great example, great model, clearly great footy program
I just don't want to see our club stagnate in development by going after players via F/A. The Geelong model is what I want to see us use as a blueprint and I am prepared to back our kids coming through in getting us to where we want to get to. I am not agaisnt taking a FA to fill a specific need but long term I will back McBean in rather than going after Leunenberger, I'll back McIntosh to develop into Thomas type and I'll even back Ben Griffiths or Ben Elton in over Jack Watts any day of the week
How far off are the players you mentioned, McBean, Elton, McIntosh etc, will try make it?? With ready players you know what you have got until the mentioned players make it.........or not.
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Mcintosh is nowhere near a similar type to thomas. Mcintosh will be a kpp that can run.
by the time mcbean is ready Maric will be old and ready to be phased out. We dont even know if Vickery will make it. Got to try and bring in one or two high quality players to round us off imo - we can still keep developing our own in the process
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How far off are the players you mentioned, McBean, Elton, McIntosh etc, will try make it?? With ready players you know what you have got until the mentioned players make it.........or not.
Well seeing alot of folks who have been watching Coburg are already saying McBean should get a game I reckon he's close. Elton is in 2nd season and McIntosh his first both are chances for AFL games this year. We also have Arnot who should have got a game this week ahead of Lonergan this week IMHO so he is close as well. Darrou has been solid, ditto McDonough. Helbig is also running around for Coburg and he really hasn't a chance to show us what he really offers more because of injury.
We have kids who are ready whether they make it we won't know unless we play them. But as I said would rather stick with them and continue to build around our current core and these kids than go after multiple free agents
And BTW the 3 players you mentioned how exactly do you plan on fitting them in under the salary cap? When we have Cotchin, Lids, Martin, Reiwoldt, and a few others take a fair whack of our cap. Not one of them will come cheap except of Watts who should pay his club for being on a list ;D. Thomas will demand massive $$ and so will Leunenberger. Thomas is not going to leave the Pies for less than what he is on now so are we supposed to bring him in as our highest paid player?
The RFC is building something and we need to be very careful not ruin that by bringing in blokes on huge money at the expense of those who have committed to us at less than they could have got on the open market eg Lids
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Mcintosh is nowhere near a similar type to thomas. Mcintosh will be a kpp that can run.
by the time mcbean is ready Maric will be old and ready to be phased out. We dont even know if Vickery will make it. Got to try and bring in one or two high quality players to round us off imo - we can still keep developing our own in the process
McIntosh is quick TM, he can play as KPP but also as a sweeper off HB, winger or in the centre like Thomas. He has already played those types of roles, he will be versatile hence why I reckon he can play a Thomas like role if needed
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Just another thing WAT, you seem to think we are somehow close to winning a flag within the next 1-2 seasons?
Is that why you want to top up with established players?
Last time the RFC did that after they thought they were close to a flag and we were nowhere near it, topping up set us back another decade to where we are now ;D
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Yep he has but hes grown a fair bit by all reports so as he gets older and fills out, more than likely hell be a KPP that can offer plenty of run. Wont be a midfielder like it was proposed when first drafted imo
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Fair call
I just think McIntosh at 19 offers us more long term than taking on Thomas with his dodgy ankle at mega $$$, would think Thomas would be looking at $700-$800k as season to leave the Pies
And it is a McIntosh, Helbig, Arnot or even a Conca missing out if we bring in someone like Thomas. That's why I am against it
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Agree I wouldnt go for thomas either was just being pedantic ;D but I would have a serious crack at spud and leuey as they will still be at their peak when chaps and Maric are winding down and mcbean mcintosh are starting to be physically ready. Fits in well from a list management perspective imo
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there are people on forums suggesting that we dont rate this draft and will be trading out our picks. dont like it if its true. we should always keep our top 2 picks in any draft.
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It would be irresponsible not to look at free agents because we hope Darrou, Mcintosh, McBean etc become good players. I would rather recruit good players that walk into our 22, delist duds and keep our good kids. If they're good enough they will get a game. If they're not, they won't. The worst thing is when you have poor players playing senior football while a good kid is at Coburg. If it's a good player keeping a kid out then that's good for the kid and good for the club.
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It would be irresponsible not to look at free agents because we hope Darrou, Mcintosh, McBean etc become good players. I would rather recruit good players that walk into our 22, delist duds and keep our good kids. If they're good enough they will get a game. If they're not, they won't. The worst thing is when you have poor players playing senior football while a good kid is at Coburg. If it's a good player keeping a kid out then that's good for the kid and good for the club.
Coach making sense.
:thumbsup
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How far off are the players you mentioned, McBean, Elton, McIntosh etc, will try make it?? With ready players you know what you have got until the mentioned players make it.........or not.
Well seeing alot of folks who have been watching Coburg are already saying McBean should get a game I reckon he's close. Elton is in 2nd season and McIntosh his first both are chances for AFL games this year. We also have Arnot who should have got a game this week ahead of Lonergan this week IMHO so he is close as well. Darrou has been solid, ditto McDonough. Helbig is also running around for Coburg and he really hasn't a chance to show us what he really offers more because of injury.
We have kids who are ready whether they make it we won't know unless we play them. But as I said would rather stick with them and continue to build around our current core and these kids than go after multiple free agents
And BTW the 3 players you mentioned how exactly do you plan on fitting them in under the salary cap? When we have Cotchin, Lids, Martin, Reiwoldt, and a few others take a fair whack of our cap. Not one of them will come cheap except of Watts who should pay his club for being on a list ;D. Thomas will demand massive $$ and so will Leunenberger. Thomas is not going to leave the Pies for less than what he is on now so are we supposed to bring him in as our highest paid player?
The RFC is building something and we need to be very careful not ruin that by bringing in blokes on huge money at the expense of those who have committed to us at less than they could have got on the open market eg Lids
You are a good tiger man WP but you seriously live in fairy land.
The thing about FA is it is a free whack! They dont cost you a draft pick, so you can still draft and develop young talent and all you have to do is find the money for them. (EG get rid of Jackson and McGaune and you can have a Frawley, get rid of Nahas, White and Astbury and you have a Leunenberger) Leaving more spots on the list for young kids.
Saying you will back in our young kids is honorable but the facts are it hasn't worked for 30 years. Are you happy to just cross your fingers and hope for the best? Now I'm not taking about bringing in the Grigg, Houli types, I'm taking about A grade talent.
If you think Astbury, Dea, Batchelor, Griffiths, Helbig, O'Hanlon, Darrou, Verrier or Gideon are taking us to premiership glory then you are confussed.
Does it really matter where we get players that are actually going to take us somewhere.
The way we have drafted over the last 30 years we bring in one player a year that might make a difference. And the key word there was MIGHT.
Tigers, go get quality players to give the good players we have a chance to become premiership players.
This club has been pathetic for to long.
Grow some balls and stop leaving it to chance!!
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..serious question here Big Tone, is confussed a fusion of confused and concussed ? I think it is important to the gist of the post.
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..serious question here Big Tone, is confussed a fusion of confused and concussed ? I think it is important to the gist of the post.
I think I like this word. But will it count in Scrabble?
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..serious question here Big Tone, is confussed a fusion of confused and concussed ? I think it is important to the gist of the post.
I think I like this word. But will it count in Scrabble?
I hope so. Gunna try it at my weekly scrabble night tomorrow night. And yes scrabble night takes priority over Saturday night RFC games. :shh
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It would be irresponsible not to look at free agents because we hope Darrou, Mcintosh, McBean etc become good players. I would rather recruit good players that walk into our 22, delist duds and keep our good kids. If they're good enough they will get a game. If they're not, they won't. The worst thing is when you have poor players playing senior football while a good kid is at Coburg. If it's a good player keeping a kid out then that's good for the kid and good for the club.
I have what Coach is having!! :thumbsup, exactly!
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Just another thing WAT, you seem to think we are somehow close to winning a flag within the next 1-2 seasons?
Is that why you want to top up with established players?
Last time the RFC did that after they thought they were close to a flag and we were nowhere near it, topping up set us back another decade to where we are now ;D
If we are not up in the GF contention talks in two year WP will we ever be mate?
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It would be irresponsible not to look at free agents because we hope Darrou, Mcintosh, McBean etc become good players. I would rather recruit good players that walk into our 22, delist duds and keep our good kids. If they're good enough they will get a game. If they're not, they won't. The worst thing is when you have poor players playing senior football while a good kid is at Coburg. If it's a good player keeping a kid out then that's good for the kid and good for the club.
The Coach has spoken. :clapping
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It would be irresponsible not to look at free agents because we hope Darrou, Mcintosh, McBean etc become good players. I would rather recruit good players that walk into our 22, delist duds and keep our good kids. If they're good enough they will get a game. If they're not, they won't. The worst thing is when you have poor players playing senior football while a good kid is at Coburg. If it's a good player keeping a kid out then that's good for the kid and good for the club.
Actually agree with you Coach
But the problem is as we all know the duds don't get de-listed we keep them and we cast off kids who haven't been given an opportunity. Kids ripping it up at Coubrg are getting an opportunity now when they should be so what hope do they have if bring in multiple Free Agents on massive money
BTW I am not saying don't go after Free Agents, we've done well with it so far.
What I don't want to see us going into bidding wars and playing overs for blokes who are not or may not be wothh it.
You are a good tiger man WP but you seriously live in fairy land.
The thing about FA is it is a free whack! They dont cost you a draft pick, so you can still draft and develop young talent and all you have to do is find the money for them. (EG get rid of Jackson and McGaune and you can have a Frawley, get rid of Nahas, White and Astbury and you have a Leunenberger) Leaving more spots on the list for young kids.
But big tone you like Coach have hightlighted part of the issue we as a club have. Your simple solutuion is to get rid of the "duds, list cloggers" or whatever you want to call them. Our problem is we don't git rid of them, just look at who's still there that shouldn't be, we flick kids rather than those who have had more chances than I've had meat pies
You also said all we have to do is find the money to lure this "big fish", where do we find it? How do we find it outside trading away a gun player? Which me ask how is FA a free "whack" if you have trade away an A grader to make room for them?
Sorry but I don't think Thomas is not worth $700k a year and neither is Leunenberger IMO and to get him that's the sort of $$$ it will take = big $$$.
If we are not up in the GF contention talks in two year WP will we ever be mate?
WAT our first goal must be to get to finals and stay there for an extended period of time. I don't want one finals series and disappear for another decade because the Club thinks we are closer than what we are. Reality is the longer you are in the finals race the more chance you have of winning the big one.
I would think by the end of 2014 our window will be wide open for the next 5 if we recruit, develop and continue with a program that has players wanting to be part of our success rather than having blokes lobbing on the doorstep only because Punt Road is the place where they can earn the highest quid
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Sorry but I don't think Thomas is not worth $700k a year and neither is Leunenberger IMO and to get him that's the sort of $$$ it will take = big $$$.
I agree on Thomas WP, not worth it and don't want him anyway but Leuenberger is worth it and we should chase him at that price inho. The difference it made when we got Maric as an upgrade on Graham was stark and I reckon we still have the same level to go with an upgrade on Maric. I don't want to get rid of Maric but I think hindsight will show him to be average and run of the mill rather than being A Grade and capable of influencing final games. I believe Leuenberger is and will, and I reckon we still have enough room in our salary cap to make a play for him - remember that the club has front-loaded some of the bigger contracts to allow for some Free Agency action. Maric should be our #2 ruckman but still playing in the same team (an old chestnut of mine for another day)! ;D
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It would be irresponsible not to look at free agents because we hope Darrou, Mcintosh, McBean etc become good players. I would rather recruit good players that walk into our 22, delist duds and keep our good kids. If they're good enough they will get a game. If they're not, they won't. The worst thing is when you have poor players playing senior football while a good kid is at Coburg. If it's a good player keeping a kid out then that's good for the kid and good for the club.
Actually agree with you Coach
But the problem is as we all know the duds don't get de-listed we keep them and we cast off kids who haven't been given an opportunity. Kids ripping it up at Coubrg are getting an opportunity now when they should be so what hope do they have if bring in multiple Free Agents on massive money
BTW I am not saying don't go after Free Agents, we've done well with it so far.
What I don't want to see us going into bidding wars and playing overs for blokes who are not or may not be wothh it.
You are a good tiger man WP but you seriously live in fairy land.
The thing about FA is it is a free whack! They dont cost you a draft pick, so you can still draft and develop young talent and all you have to do is find the money for them. (EG get rid of Jackson and McGaune and you can have a Frawley, get rid of Nahas, White and Astbury and you have a Leunenberger) Leaving more spots on the list for young kids.
But big tone you like Coach have hightlighted part of the issue we as a club have. Your simple solutuion is to get rid of the "duds, list cloggers" or whatever you want to call them. Our problem is we don't git rid of them, just look at who's still there that shouldn't be, we flick kids rather than those who have had more chances than I've had meat pies
You also said all we have to do is find the money to lure this "big fish", where do we find it? How do we find it outside trading away a gun player? Which me ask how is FA a free "whack" if you have trade away an A grader to make room for them?
Sorry but I don't think Thomas is not worth $700k a year and neither is Leunenberger IMO and to get him that's the sort of $$$ it will take = big $$$.
If we are not up in the GF contention talks in two year WP will we ever be mate?
WAT our first goal must be to get to finals and stay there for an extended period of time. I don't want one finals series and disappear for another decade because the Club thinks we are closer than what we are. Reality is the longer you are in the finals race the more chance you have of winning the big one.
I would think by the end of 2014 our window will be wide open for the next 5 if we recruit, develop and continue with a program that has players wanting to be part of our success rather than having blokes lobbing on the doorstep only because Punt Road is the place where they can earn the highest quid
So you have all the confidence in the world in our drafting department at tigerland to have recruited what we need to go forward but no confidence in our list management people to weed out the duds?
Who are these kids (which were not duds) we have gotten rid of in place of keeping these meat pie types?? Do tell
And lastly, I'm pretty sure in my post I gave a few examples of how to free up money for FA prospects. Delisting Nahas, McGaune, Astbury, Jackson and White would free up $1.2 Mil.
Not sure how you think I was giving away A graders??
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Would suggest you read what I said about FA. I said and I'll repeat it again for you I am not against Free Agency what I man against is getting not bidding wars and paying overs for players who are not or might not be worth it. What is being suggested is we go after 2 blokes who would cost in excess of $1.5 mil a year. What I am saying I am not sure that its the right way to go at the expense f cutting kids who haven't been given opportunity
All those players you listed outside Astbury & Nahas were given deals for this season. If we really wanted too we could of got rid of them but we didnt.
And do you really think they are going to flick Jackson, they haven't yet, he continues to get games despite being a ball butcher and so I think it's fair to say he won't be going anywhere. And I'd also say he is on decent coin as well.
You said you've freed up $1.2mil with all your de- listings but how much of that is going to be needed to keep and pay Cotchin, Deledio, Martin, Reiwoldt and going forward in 1-2 seasons time Vlaustin, Conca, Ellis, etc?
We have what is it 15 blokes coming out of contract some of those rightly are going to get increases. Not quite sure how we are going to keep all the ones we need to, chase people wanting big $$$ under free agency and stay under the salary cap without needing to off load 1 or 2
And yeah I have confidence in our recruiting dept and I also have confidence in our list management group that they will get the balance right
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Would suggest you read what I said about FA. I said and I'll repeat it again for you I am not against Free Agency what I man against is getting not bidding wars and paying overs for players who are not or might not be worth it. What is being suggested is we go after 2 blokes who would cost in excess of $1.5 mil a year. What I am saying I am not sure that its the right way to go at the expense f cutting kids who haven't been given opportunity
All those players you listed outside Astbury & Nahas were given deals for this season. If we really wanted too we could of got rid of them but we didnt.
And do you really think they are going to flick Jackson, they haven't yet, he continues to get games despite being a ball butcher and so I think it's fair to say he won't be going anywhere. And I'd also say he is on decent coin as well.
You said you've freed up $1.2mil with all your de- listings but how much of that is going to be needed to keep and pay Cotchin, Deledio, Martin, Reiwoldt and going forward in 1-2 seasons time Vlaustin, Conca, Ellis, etc?
We have what is it 15 blokes coming out of contract some of those rightly are going to get increases. Not quite sure how we are going to keep all the ones we need to, chase people wanting big $$$ under free agency and stay under the salary cap without needing to off load 1 or 2
And yeah I have confidence in our recruiting dept and I also have confidence in our list management group that they will get the balance right
Let's be honest, we have four very good players, the rest are soldiers at best..if we cannot afford a few more elite players, we are doing something wrong. Pretty simple. All the other crap you want to go on about is just that, crap.
Geelong, Collingwood and Sydney seem to be able to manage it.
Can not be bother talking about it anymore to people that just want to play it safe, and hope for the best. Good luck to ya :sleep
And yeah, one post you say we get rid of kids before giving them a go and keep meat pie types, and the next post you have confidence in our list management group, which is it!
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Can have confidence in both IMV
And just because my opinion differs with your doesn't means it is crap
Again you use Geelong, Geelong has not gone out and targeted free agents wanting big $$$ they have developed their own, created a culture where there players outside greedy Junior Ablett have taken reduced $$$ to stick together. That is the model all clubs should aspire too. WHy because it works
If wanting to model a club on the culture and program of Geelong is playing it safe then I will wear that.
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At the moment we have some real problems.
Chaplin is doing about what was seriously expected by people that had seen him play at Port - a very solid third tall who could sometimes play on a key forward in a crisis.
McGuane is doing about all that one would expect. Playing as a third tall and picking up a goal or two from his usual 10/15 kicks a game with a couple of marks.
Rance is playing at about 60% compared to the past few years. Lack of confidence and support is a huge problem.
Vickery is going at about 70%, failing to impose himself forward and doing even less in the ruck.
Riewoldt is playing at about 80% and probably is only performing that well due to outstanding smarts sneaking goals.
Grimes is really only a third tall at a stretch and injuries are a big concern.
Griffiths is showing the lack of ability to impose himself on games that was mooted as a problem before drafting.
Elton is in a similar place and whether he will improve to AFL standard is doubtful at this stage.
Maric is seriously injured and it is doubtful whether he will return to the level he showed pre-injury early in 2012.
Derickx is very unlikely to ever demonstrate the required ability to play AFL with poor athletic or football ability.
Stephenson is in a similar boat and at his age is unlikely to be re-signed although stranger thing3s have happened, like his signing last year.
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Can have confidence in both IMV
And just because my opinion differs with your doesn't means it is crap
Again you use Geelong, Geelong has not gone out and targeted free agents wanting big $$$ they have developed their own, created a culture where there players outside greedy Junior Ablett have taken reduced $$$ to stick together. That is the model all clubs should aspire too. WHy because it works
If wanting to model a club on the culture and program of Geelong is playing it safe then I will wear that.
Any new thoughts after today and tonight WP? Or are you still confident?
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Can have confidence in both IMV
And just because my opinion differs with your doesn't means it is crap
Again you use Geelong, Geelong has not gone out and targeted free agents wanting big $$$ they have developed their own, created a culture where there players outside greedy Junior Ablett have taken reduced $$$ to stick together. That is the model all clubs should aspire too. WHy because it works
If wanting to model a club on the culture and program of Geelong is playing it safe then I will wear that.
Any new thoughts after today and tonight WP? Or are you still confident?
My thoughts are some recycled hacks are stunting junior development because Hardwick is worried.
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Must get better players!!!!!!!!!!
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Can have confidence in both IMV
And just because my opinion differs with your doesn't means it is crap
Again you use Geelong, Geelong has not gone out and targeted free agents wanting big $$$ they have developed their own, created a culture where there players outside greedy Junior Ablett have taken reduced $$$ to stick together. That is the model all clubs should aspire too. WHy because it works
If wanting to model a club on the culture and program of Geelong is playing it safe then I will wear that.
Any new thoughts after today and tonight WP? Or are you still confident?
My thoughts are some recycled hacks are stunting junior development because Hardwick is worried.
Have to agree. The recruiting of the recycleds this year was extremely poor. I wouldnt have recruited any of them either Knights or Lonergan or Stephenson. Just really poor recruiting last summer IMHO.
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Can have confidence in both IMV
And just because my opinion differs with your doesn't means it is crap
Again you use Geelong, Geelong has not gone out and targeted free agents wanting big $$$ they have developed their own, created a culture where there players outside greedy Junior Ablett have taken reduced $$$ to stick together. That is the model all clubs should aspire too. WHy because it works
If wanting to model a club on the culture and program of Geelong is playing it safe then I will wear that.
Any new thoughts after today and tonight WP? Or are you still confident?
My thoughts are some recycled hacks are stunting junior development because Hardwick is worried.
Have to agree. The recruiting of the recycleds this year was extremely poor. I wouldnt have recruited any of them either Knights or Lonergan or Stephenson. Just really poor recruiting last summer IMHO.
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it is ludicrous to even suggest that we recruit Any old spuds out there, FFS this thread started off suggesting we recruit Watts, I would be embarrassed even suggesting it
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Can have confidence in both IMV
And just because my opinion differs with your doesn't means it is crap
Again you use Geelong, Geelong has not gone out and targeted free agents wanting big $$$ they have developed their own, created a culture where there players outside greedy Junior Ablett have taken reduced $$$ to stick together. That is the model all clubs should aspire too. WHy because it works
If wanting to model a club on the culture and program of Geelong is playing it safe then I will wear that.
Any new thoughts after today and tonight WP? Or are you still confident?
My thoughts are some recycled hacks are stunting junior development because Hardwick is worried.
Have to agree. The recruiting of the recycleds this year was extremely poor. I wouldnt have recruited any of them either Knights or Lonergan or Stephenson. Just really poor recruiting last summer IMHO.
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it is ludicrous to even suggest that we recruit Any old spuds out there, FFS this thread started off suggesting we recruit Watts, I would be embarrassed even suggesting it
Even more embarrassed then you are or should be now as a supporter?
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Can have confidence in both IMV
And just because my opinion differs with your doesn't means it is crap
Again you use Geelong, Geelong has not gone out and targeted free agents wanting big $$$ they have developed their own, created a culture where there players outside greedy Junior Ablett have taken reduced $$$ to stick together. That is the model all clubs should aspire too. WHy because it works
If wanting to model a club on the culture and program of Geelong is playing it safe then I will wear that.
Any new thoughts after today and tonight WP? Or are you still confident?
My thoughts are some recycled hacks are stunting junior development because Hardwick is worried.
Have to agree. The recruiting of the recycleds this year was extremely poor. I wouldnt have recruited any of them either Knights or Lonergan or Stephenson. Just really poor recruiting last summer IMHO.
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it is ludicrous to even suggest that we recruit Any old spuds out there, FFS this thread started off suggesting we recruit Watts, I would be embarrassed even suggesting it
Even more embarrassed then you are or should be now as a supporter?
Nah over last night, we will bounce back, I think we are a monty to win the next three games
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Can have confidence in both IMV
And just because my opinion differs with your doesn't means it is crap
Again you use Geelong, Geelong has not gone out and targeted free agents wanting big $$$ they have developed their own, created a culture where there players outside greedy Junior Ablett have taken reduced $$$ to stick together. That is the model all clubs should aspire too. WHy because it works
If wanting to model a club on the culture and program of Geelong is playing it safe then I will wear that.
Any new thoughts after today and tonight WP? Or are you still confident?
My thoughts are some recycled hacks are stunting junior development because Hardwick is worried.
Have to agree. The recruiting of the recycleds this year was extremely poor. I wouldnt have recruited any of them either Knights or Lonergan or Stephenson. Just really poor recruiting last summer IMHO.
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it is ludicrous to even suggest that we recruit Any old spuds out there, FFS this thread started off suggesting we recruit Watts, I would be embarrassed even suggesting it
Even more embarrassed then you are or should be now as a supporter?
Nah over last night, we will bounce back, I think we are a monty to win the next three games
:thumbsup...God we are loyal Chucky, if we do mate I will fly to where you live and buy you a beer... ;D I just wish the payers would get the job done!
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LOL WAT
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Can have confidence in both IMV
And just because my opinion differs with your doesn't means it is crap
Again you use Geelong, Geelong has not gone out and targeted free agents wanting big $$$ they have developed their own, created a culture where there players outside greedy Junior Ablett have taken reduced $$$ to stick together. That is the model all clubs should aspire too. WHy because it works
If wanting to model a club on the culture and program of Geelong is playing it safe then I will wear that.
Any new thoughts after today and tonight WP? Or are you still confident?
Yeah actually last night probably highlighted that developing the kids might be a better option than going after multiple recycled players from other clubs ;D
Lonergan was fantastic don't you think? Ditto Grigg another 30 odd meaningless possessions.
Chaplin was good but our best last night was a first year kid by the name Vlaustin
Give me a Vlaustin over an overpaid Free agent any day
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People are overacting with the criticism of our mature age recruiting. It has been a good thing for the club. As long as we aren't paying much for them, which we aren't, they have added a lot to our team. We are still brining In plenty of kids every year and keeping our high draft picks. Players like Arnott ect. are not playing because they aren't quite ready. Go watch Coburg and see.
People have overrated our list and are now overacting when we lose to good teams. We aren't at our best at the moment and we still have to turn over some average players but our season is still well and truly alive and things can turn around pretty quickly.
I was peed off last night too but people need to chill before they tee off.
Our list just air that good yet but it is improving steadily.
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Can have confidence in both IMV
And just because my opinion differs with your doesn't means it is crap
Again you use Geelong, Geelong has not gone out and targeted free agents wanting big $$$ they have developed their own, created a culture where there players outside greedy Junior Ablett have taken reduced $$$ to stick together. That is the model all clubs should aspire too. WHy because it works
If wanting to model a club on the culture and program of Geelong is playing it safe then I will wear that.
Any new thoughts after today and tonight WP? Or are you still confident?
Yeah actually last night probably highlighted that developing the kids might be a better option than going after multiple recycled players from other clubs ;D
Lonergan was fantastic don't you think? Ditto Grigg another 30 odd meaningless possessions.
Chaplin was good but our best last night was a first year kid by the name Vlaustin
Give me a Vlaustin over an overpaid Free agent any day
Can somebody let WP know that Username has hacked his account. :thumbsup
Why are you talking about recycled players? Our discussion was about FA. Only FA you mentioned you correctly stated was good last night.
Did you watch Coburg WP? Not only are most of our young players not up to AFL footy, they are not even up to VFL footy.
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Can somebody let WP know that Username has hacked his account. :thumbsup
Why are you talking about recycled players? Our discussion was about FA. Only FA you mentioned you correctly stated was good last night.
Did you watch Coburg WP? Not only are most of our young players not up to AFL footy, they are not even up to VFL footy.
I know we are talking about FA. This thread was started when WAT suggested we target Thomas, Leunenberger and heaven forbid Watts this coming off season as free agents.
As I have said and I will repeat it again because some clearly are missing my point ;D I have no problem with free agency when you use it properly but I am against targeting multiple free agents for the sake of it and getting into bidding wars where you over pay a player who may not necessarily want to be at your club but are just chasing the biggest pay packet. Of the 3 originally listed I wouldn't go after any of them. I've explained why and said that I'd rather develop kids rather than take those 3.
What last night proved is that taking on players from other clubs whether you get them as free agents, via trade or pick up them after they've been flicked is not necessarily going to make your side any better or guarantee that you are going to take the next step. Hence, why I'd prefer to get Vlaustin into the club and develop
Nope rarely watch Coburg these days - fear for their long term future, back to being a basket case it would seem ;D
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would love to get james frawley but hes contracted until 2014. we will pay thru the nose to get him.
what are we short of
genuine fb we have chaplin and only darrou in development. most would say rance but hes not a fb. we do need a frawley type especially if we think we are a finals side.we need a fb at least at frawleys stage of development.
chb theres only rance and we really need to asses his worth and possibly astbury griffiths both who are key forwards imo and both have a ways to go just to establish they are good enough.
kpds chaplin, rance, darrou, if griffiths and astbury are defenders add them plus the third talls in grimes and mcintosh. if astbury and griffiths end up forwards we need one mature and one nd kpds
really desperately need a key forward. theres riewoldt and then theres daylight. we have some hope in the fact theres mcbean and elton in early development and one of or both of griffiths and astbury who are at a stage where they should be at least demanding a game.
kpfs riewoldt, griffiths, astbury, elton
ruck /forwards- vickery, mcbean. that is the right balance, thing is if both astbury and griffiths are defenders we need two tall forwards to balance out the list one mature and one junior.i refuse to include mcguane he is not the way forward and im not having a go at him. he gives his all and has mostly been servicable in performing a role.
rucks well we have one who is currently up to standard. we do need a servicable mature back up and we need to draft a young gun in the nd.id even go as far to rookie a third.
people will say vickery mcbean derickx and stephenson is plenty how many are pure ruckmen and can hold down the #1 ruck role now and in the future. only orren and hes ordinary.
sml quality forward who has skill. sad to say we dont have one on the list who is ready and only one in development in mcdonough. would be great if he comes on for once we have a small who regularly kicks a goal out of nothing. if nothing else this lad can kck a goal.
mids we need at least 4 mids who are at least afl standard. not world beaters but good solid citizens. blokes who use the ball well and make sound decisions. we sure could do with a couple of outside players with real pace and good delivery skills.
i said it all at the start of the yr the weaknesses are easy to see. thing is i reckon we can address a fair few of them just by targeting players in state leagues and players who are not getting a proper go at their club.
aaron black was one i wanted us to go after last yr he had heaps of competition to get a game with petrie hansen and tarrant all in front of him. unfortunately that is now a pipe dream as hes shot past em.
tom lee was a cheap option a rookie pick two seasons ago if he doesnt make it big deal. i still think he will be a decent afl player.
hannath as a ruckman cheap and with upside. cameron symonds as well at e/freo we could have rookied him he will go in the draft this yr.we dont have to pay thru the nose we just have to be better with the players we do take.
wce have a kid called jeremy mcgovern he really looks good to me but he cant bust in to their side.
they have two decent young ruckmen in callum sinclair and scott lycett they have some real competition in front of them in cox and naitanui lets have a go at one what is there to lose.
we coul;d go on and on but there are good options out there that wont cost the earth.
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WP
You realize we can play Vlastuin in the side next season and a Cooney or Rich? There is 21 / 22 spots and they are mostly for non-big blokes.
Claw
Why can Astbury not be a true tall key defender?
I don't think something like
fb/ Dea - Grimes - Bachelor
hb/ Rance - Astbury - McIntosh
is may have potential.Morris needs to take over JAcksons spot.
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Can have confidence in both IMV
And just because my opinion differs with your doesn't means it is crap
Again you use Geelong, Geelong has not gone out and targeted free agents wanting big $$$ they have developed their own, created a culture where there players outside greedy Junior Ablett have taken reduced $$$ to stick together. That is the model all clubs should aspire too. WHy because it works
If wanting to model a club on the culture and program of Geelong is playing it safe then I will wear that.
Any new thoughts after today and tonight WP? Or are you still confident?
Yeah actually last night probably highlighted that developing the kids might be a better option than going after multiple recycled players from other clubs ;D
Lonergan was fantastic don't you think? Ditto Grigg another 30 odd meaningless possessions.
Chaplin was good but our best last night was a first year kid by the name Vlaustin
Give me a Vlaustin over an overpaid Free agent any day
Vlaustin best?
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WP
You realize we can play Vlastuin in the side next season and a Cooney or Rich?
Rich wont be leaving Bris
Cooney is a risk with his dodgy knee and he would want to go to team close to flag which we are not so I don't see him as an option
Vlaustin best?
Yes thought last night Vlaustin was out best which is further indictment on our senior players and leaders
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Can somebody let WP know that Username has hacked his account. :thumbsup
Why are you talking about recycled players? Our discussion was about FA. Only FA you mentioned you correctly stated was good last night.
Did you watch Coburg WP? Not only are most of our young players not up to AFL footy, they are not even up to VFL footy.
I know we are talking about FA. This thread was started when WAT suggested we target Thomas, Leunenberger and heaven forbid Watts this coming off season as free agents.
As I have said and I will repeat it again because some clearly are missing my point ;D I have no problem with free agency when you use it properly but I am against targeting multiple free agents for the sake of it and getting into bidding wars where you over pay a player who may not necessarily want to be at your club but are just chasing the biggest pay packet. Of the 3 originally listed I wouldn't go after any of them. I've explained why and said that I'd rather develop kids rather than take those 3.
What last night proved is that taking on players from other clubs whether you get them as free agents, via trade or pick up them after they've been flicked is not necessarily going to make your side any better or guarantee that you are going to take the next step. Hence, why I'd prefer to get Vlaustin into the club and develop
Nope rarely watch Coburg these days - fear for their long term future, back to being a basket case it would seem ;D
We haven't developed a decent ruckman since Mark Lee. There wouldn't be a sane person in the world that wouldn't want Leunenberger in there side. What makes you think that after 30 years we can all of a sudden develop a decent ruckman.
What last night proved is that we need better players and to get ONE Vlaustin in a year is not enough. Any others from last night that we didn't draft with our first pick that you think can take us all the way?
Your theory works if we can actually draft players outside of your first pick that can actually play. We sadly cannot. Geelong can but we cannot, and thats why we can't model our club like they do. We need other help and lucky enough it's FA.
Also when you talk about paying overs for people, who is the judge of what's paying overs? You? You pay what the market demands. Just like most things in life.
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Also when you talk about paying overs for people, who is the judge of what's paying overs? You? You pay what the market demands. Just like most things in life.
Everyone is entitled to have opinion on what a player is worth aren't they?
There is a massive difference between paying market value and paying overs. Serious question. In your view what's Leunenberger worth? If the market says $650k a season but we offer $900k just to get his signature are we paying overs or are we being smarter or foolish?
BTW it was in today's paper that sas he is close to re-signing with Bris